ANA claims support "throughout Kosovo"

The huge difference between ANA and Guard Lazar is that ANA is fully supported by its own people and financed even by thier politicans. On the other hand we have unarmed Guard Lazar who make empty threats and yet not suppotred by high political representatives of Serbia. ANA is real therat to Serbs and they do just what KLA was doing it before the escalation of the violence. They use same methods by stopping the vehicles and when they pop up on Serbs they just take them somewhere and slaughter them as seen and happened many times by KLA during 90's. When there is this kind of threat then there is no other possibility than to respond. Unlike the Albanian politicans, ANA or KLA is at least honest and speak out loud about Albanian's true aspirations. Guard Lazar is a group whose idea is to defend the Serbs in gheto while the ANA's motive is to unify all the regions inhabited by Albanians inot greater Albania. Huge, Huge difference I would say between those two military fractions.

"The ANA, which aims to "unify all Balkan territories inhabited by ethnic Albanians", has claimed responsibility for various attacks in Macedonia, southern Serbia proper and Kosovo over several years, the AP said."

This is precisely why for the sake of the stability of the Balkans, one of the first things an independent Kosovo must do is to disarm these people, I doubt highly Serbia will invade with force, even if they do, NATO is there and such groups are not necessary. Ethnic Albanians need to realize now that after Kosovo there can be no more land given back for a "Greater Albania", because then there will certainly be a war. Not even Kosovo can be rejoined to Albania (same way as RS cannot rejoin Serbia, am I right?). These "Greater Albania" ideas sound like the "Greater Serbia" ones of the Milosevic era and of these CLG guys.

""At this moment we are focused on Kosovo, and [ethnic] Albanians from wherever they live, including the Diaspora, would respond to our call," Adili claimed. "

No, no, no, this is unacceptable. This is Europe, such Taliban/Islamic Jihad activities are not acceptable and must be dealt with swiftly! I applaud the effort of Macedonian special police for bringing these people down. I really hope the Albanians desire peace and downplay the ideas of such idiots like ANA, same as Serbs are against CLG.

Peter,

maybe you need to ask why has the UN and NATO not fullfilled its resolution fully and disarmed all in Serbia's province way back in 1999 - and why wait a day longer surely they need to step up and act responsibly now and do what they were supposed to then - demilitarise the Serbian province immediatly - there can be no greater damnation of NATO failing its responsibility while armed thugs roam the streets without impunity in Serbia's province. If NATO need assitance then they need just ask but this failure is more and more damaging to NATO each everyday that allow such terrorism to dominate events.

I thought NATO said they were ready and prepared - their credibility is being undermined each day such a terrorist groups roam amongst them! Sort it out and do it now!

According to reports in the Albanian media this guy is a nobody who likes publicity. That publicity has cost him a lot though because he spent some time in prison and he has been taken for questioning by the police several times in the last few months. And the funny fact is that although he claims to speak for the ANA the armed and masked ANA guys that appeared in the video in Podujeva have denied any links to him. So although no one can say anything with 100% certainty it seems this Gafur Adili only speaks for himself.

Princip

I know and I agree with you, these sort of groups need to be neutralized now, ideally by a special unit, like was done in Macedonia, for instance, or in Presevo. NATO would not be able to cope with such groups.

Olf

You misunderstood me Olf, I was not using religious grounds as a base for my argument here, I was aiming more at the extremity of the two groups (I know one is religious, the other political, but I was comparing the level of extremity, nothing more). I apologize if the comparison was inappropriate, I was not implicating religion here and it was not my intention to offend anybody. I'll be more tactful next time.

What this all boils down too is a crazy debate along the lines of "my terrorist/extremists are better than yours" or not so bad as yours. It's ridiculous. Both the CLG and the ANA represent tiny percentages of the respective populations; they both have the potential to become dangerous in these very emotional times and they both inflate their importance by a factor of a few 100. That's actually all there is to say about them at the moment. And please keep in mind that appearing in a video claiming you have the support of everyone in Kosova and 12,000 soldiers is not more credible than appearing on TV saying you will use atomic bombs and shell Prishtina.

No need for panic. ANA is same as TLG. They both are dangerous to Kosova and Serbia. Both have no support form the majority of population. They both will disappear once the status is solved.

Peter
No need to be so extreme in your comments when you mention Taliban/Islamic Jihad, it is unlike your comments. You could have called the activities terrorist but not to implicate the religion since the religion has nothing to do with it, in fact no religion promotes the terrorism. Terrorist/criminal organisations ETA, Red Brigades, IRA, Crna Ruka, Al Qaeda come form different religions as you can see. So, please for the sake of future conversation please be in control of your postings as usual.

"they both have the potential to become dangerous"

right. well, our weirdoes are banned from kosovo, yours are declared terrorist. you declare our weirdoes terrorist in forums, but yours have been declared terrorist by un. can you link us to anywhere official that says, tsar lazar whatever is declared terrorist. on the other hand, i can link you and have done to official sources that say that about ana.
then come back and tell us that it's all the same when our weirdoes try to blow up a train.
until then realize that when these run out of non albanians in kosovo, they'll turn on you, anyone they dislike for whatever reason. i know that if they try to cause violence over in preseveo they will be quickly dealt with by our forces. if they attack serbs in kosovo, kfor will have to act and also deal with them. but if there are moderate albanians in kosovo, and i think there must be, they should be the most worried about this. who will stand up for them?

I agree with Princip. Demilitarisation of Kosova needs be institutionalised. I think this should not only be made as a goodwill gesture towards Serbia but as a way forwards in the Balkans. Military solutions will remain outdated. As soon as the independence matter is settled, I do not foresee Kosova needing a military at all.
As for ANA, authorities must deal with them severely and immediately. Regardless of their actual strength, their existence is highly significant to the Kosova Serbs. These men in balaclavas rather then banishing automatic rifles should be forcefully made to toil the land for a change.

For the KLA to have any other branding aside from that as being terroristic, is preposterous!!

When will the bloody world (aside from Russia) wake up & realize that giving the albanians what they want is like giving the mexicans texas??

Let's call a spade, a spade, please.

yes, nice.

does B92 also offer any "real" news?

"# Peter, why Albanians and Serbs shoulden't be allowed to live within their ethnic borders?
(xxxxy, 23 November 2007 01:16)"

Because then there is no reason for Bosnia and Herzegovina to fall apart into three countries, Macedonia, Montenegro and Serbia will all lose parts of land, even Kosovo when it becomes independent will lose a part of the land. You don't think this will cause a new war? Do you not see the ethnic cleansing and refugee camps?

Peter, why Albanians and Serbs shoulden't be allowed to live within their ethnic borders?

Nobody don’t agree with that as this paramilitary groups are Good, to stop all this development should take some steps, from the both side to stop this groups. But in this way how someone thin to do that its impossible. You can’t qualify ANA like terrorist group because of this groups kill innocent people, or someone try to equal with Islamic terrorist groups which does not have any connection at all. And this you know very good. And till will have a solution for Kosova its impossible to stop this groups.
Product of ANA simple is UN, because didn’t allow Kosova to have a normal Army.

No need for panic. ANA is same as TLG. They both are dangerous to Kosova and Serbia. Both have no support form the majority of population. They both will disappear once the status is solved.

Peter
No need to be so extreme in your comments when you mention Taliban/Islamic Jihad, it is unlike your comments. You could have called the activities terrorist but not to implicate the religion since the religion has nothing to do with it, in fact no religion promotes the terrorism. Terrorist/criminal organisations ETA, Red Brigades, IRA, Crna Ruka, Al Qaeda come form different religions as you can see. So, please for the sake of future conversation please be in control of your postings as usual.

"The ANA, which aims to "unify all Balkan territories inhabited by ethnic Albanians", has claimed responsibility for various attacks in Macedonia, southern Serbia proper and Kosovo over several years, the AP said."

This is precisely why for the sake of the stability of the Balkans, one of the first things an independent Kosovo must do is to disarm these people, I doubt highly Serbia will invade with force, even if they do, NATO is there and such groups are not necessary. Ethnic Albanians need to realize now that after Kosovo there can be no more land given back for a "Greater Albania", because then there will certainly be a war. Not even Kosovo can be rejoined to Albania (same way as RS cannot rejoin Serbia, am I right?). These "Greater Albania" ideas sound like the "Greater Serbia" ones of the Milosevic era and of these CLG guys.

""At this moment we are focused on Kosovo, and [ethnic] Albanians from wherever they live, including the Diaspora, would respond to our call," Adili claimed. "

No, no, no, this is unacceptable. This is Europe, such Taliban/Islamic Jihad activities are not acceptable and must be dealt with swiftly! I applaud the effort of Macedonian special police for bringing these people down. I really hope the Albanians desire peace and downplay the ideas of such idiots like ANA, same as Serbs are against CLG.

The huge difference between ANA and Guard Lazar is that ANA is fully supported by its own people and financed even by thier politicans. On the other hand we have unarmed Guard Lazar who make empty threats and yet not suppotred by high political representatives of Serbia. ANA is real therat to Serbs and they do just what KLA was doing it before the escalation of the violence. They use same methods by stopping the vehicles and when they pop up on Serbs they just take them somewhere and slaughter them as seen and happened many times by KLA during 90's. When there is this kind of threat then there is no other possibility than to respond. Unlike the Albanian politicans, ANA or KLA is at least honest and speak out loud about Albanian's true aspirations. Guard Lazar is a group whose idea is to defend the Serbs in gheto while the ANA's motive is to unify all the regions inhabited by Albanians inot greater Albania. Huge, Huge difference I would say between those two military fractions.

What this all boils down too is a crazy debate along the lines of "my terrorist/extremists are better than yours" or not so bad as yours. It's ridiculous. Both the CLG and the ANA represent tiny percentages of the respective populations; they both have the potential to become dangerous in these very emotional times and they both inflate their importance by a factor of a few 100. That's actually all there is to say about them at the moment. And please keep in mind that appearing in a video claiming you have the support of everyone in Kosova and 12,000 soldiers is not more credible than appearing on TV saying you will use atomic bombs and shell Prishtina.

According to reports in the Albanian media this guy is a nobody who likes publicity. That publicity has cost him a lot though because he spent some time in prison and he has been taken for questioning by the police several times in the last few months. And the funny fact is that although he claims to speak for the ANA the armed and masked ANA guys that appeared in the video in Podujeva have denied any links to him. So although no one can say anything with 100% certainty it seems this Gafur Adili only speaks for himself.

Peter,

maybe you need to ask why has the UN and NATO not fullfilled its resolution fully and disarmed all in Serbia's province way back in 1999 - and why wait a day longer surely they need to step up and act responsibly now and do what they were supposed to then - demilitarise the Serbian province immediatly - there can be no greater damnation of NATO failing its responsibility while armed thugs roam the streets without impunity in Serbia's province. If NATO need assitance then they need just ask but this failure is more and more damaging to NATO each everyday that allow such terrorism to dominate events.

I thought NATO said they were ready and prepared - their credibility is being undermined each day such a terrorist groups roam amongst them! Sort it out and do it now!

Princip

I know and I agree with you, these sort of groups need to be neutralized now, ideally by a special unit, like was done in Macedonia, for instance, or in Presevo. NATO would not be able to cope with such groups.

Olf

You misunderstood me Olf, I was not using religious grounds as a base for my argument here, I was aiming more at the extremity of the two groups (I know one is religious, the other political, but I was comparing the level of extremity, nothing more). I apologize if the comparison was inappropriate, I was not implicating religion here and it was not my intention to offend anybody. I'll be more tactful next time.

"they both have the potential to become dangerous"

right. well, our weirdoes are banned from kosovo, yours are declared terrorist. you declare our weirdoes terrorist in forums, but yours have been declared terrorist by un. can you link us to anywhere official that says, tsar lazar whatever is declared terrorist. on the other hand, i can link you and have done to official sources that say that about ana.
then come back and tell us that it's all the same when our weirdoes try to blow up a train.
until then realize that when these run out of non albanians in kosovo, they'll turn on you, anyone they dislike for whatever reason. i know that if they try to cause violence over in preseveo they will be quickly dealt with by our forces. if they attack serbs in kosovo, kfor will have to act and also deal with them. but if there are moderate albanians in kosovo, and i think there must be, they should be the most worried about this. who will stand up for them?

yes, nice.

does B92 also offer any "real" news?

I agree with Princip. Demilitarisation of Kosova needs be institutionalised. I think this should not only be made as a goodwill gesture towards Serbia but as a way forwards in the Balkans. Military solutions will remain outdated. As soon as the independence matter is settled, I do not foresee Kosova needing a military at all.
As for ANA, authorities must deal with them severely and immediately. Regardless of their actual strength, their existence is highly significant to the Kosova Serbs. These men in balaclavas rather then banishing automatic rifles should be forcefully made to toil the land for a change.

Peter, why Albanians and Serbs shoulden't be allowed to live within their ethnic borders?

For the KLA to have any other branding aside from that as being terroristic, is preposterous!!

When will the bloody world (aside from Russia) wake up & realize that giving the albanians what they want is like giving the mexicans texas??

Let's call a spade, a spade, please.

"# Peter, why Albanians and Serbs shoulden't be allowed to live within their ethnic borders?
(xxxxy, 23 November 2007 01:16)"

Because then there is no reason for Bosnia and Herzegovina to fall apart into three countries, Macedonia, Montenegro and Serbia will all lose parts of land, even Kosovo when it becomes independent will lose a part of the land. You don't think this will cause a new war? Do you not see the ethnic cleansing and refugee camps?

Nobody don’t agree with that as this paramilitary groups are Good, to stop all this development should take some steps, from the both side to stop this groups. But in this way how someone thin to do that its impossible. You can’t qualify ANA like terrorist group because of this groups kill innocent people, or someone try to equal with Islamic terrorist groups which does not have any connection at all. And this you know very good. And till will have a solution for Kosova its impossible to stop this groups.
Product of ANA simple is UN, because didn’t allow Kosova to have a normal Army.