Ischinger hopes for cooperation deal

Serbia has shown that it is more than willing to forgo its maximalist position - full and total incorporation of its province.

Maybe the ethnic-Albanians would prefer Serbia to have been just as unwilling to "negotiate" but this offer remain for the taking and remain so for the time being so it is worth considering the benefits of these Autonomy proposals that have been put forth.

Ultimately UN SC resolution 1244 is not and will not be rescinded and there is no 'novel' way the legalist EU can bypass signed and agreed UN resolutions or international norms and laws.

Thus Serbia has the law & time on its side but the ethnic-Albanian leadership reperesenting less then 45% of the province need to remember that economic development is the most important priority and illegal declarations that Thaci said would happen on the 10th December will get them nowhere - like Ischinger said
"The label is worth nothing. Where are they going to get their income from? "

Take the best that is available as the alternative to continuing the jaw-jaw will be far from rosey.

It looks like negotiating with the Albanian's is like talking to a brick wall.

Maybe someone should inform them that the meaning of 'negotiations' is where you have to create a win-win situation for each party. Give and take!

It oviously pointless, when you got America and UK pumping up meaningless promises to the Kosovo Albanian's for independence. Looks to me their attempts to sabatoge each meeting has worked out quite well so far.

I just hope that we can find a peaceful solution between us and the Albanian's before things get out of control.

Well, well, EU should reacted earlier by warning Pristina to approcah this neagotations constractivelly and come up with some substantional ideas. However, I hope that EU finally realise that Serbia makes efforts and comes with great plans that offers maximum of indepndence. The only thing Serbia wants is the control over Srbian minority, preservation of cultural and religious monuments and control over the borders. This really make sense and in long term this means stability. I don't know why Pristina refuses everything when once they will be totaly left on thier own without any help from outside. After indepndence the region will be still in crise and no one will invest. They will depend for a long time on the funds from the EU. But how long that will last and how much it can contribute in improvement of socail conditions. Prisitna backed by USA expressed high level of incapability in order to represent how do they see their future organisation of society and what do they really offer. They prefer to be independent supervised by the EU, USA. This means no full independence and if they fail this would furthermore mean bringing it back to Serbian sovereignity or just left aside while the EU will govren the region or even NATO.

Nevertheless, it seem that Pristina wants chaos, anarchy, and lawlesness. It is excellent way to shelter criminal activities by thier own high officals along with some UNMIK staff.

Albanians seem to be happy with railroad instructor from Sierra Leone (where the last train stopped running in 1975),and who knows how many of UN experts of this sort there is, with the lowest GDP in the world, and totaly destroyed economy. (this are the facts revealed by Maciej Zaremba, the staff writer for Swedish newspaper "Dagnes Nyheter").

The promising thing is that the entire EU must be united on this matter and seems they are not. Yet Germany and Italy warn Pristina of taking any unilateral steps. The negotiations will continue most likely beyond the December and by the spring solution will be found if EU warns Pristina to colaboarte and accept what is offered.

Kosova has been Albanian, is Albanian and will ALWAYS be ALBANIAN.

Mr. kharchenko you are beating on dead horse and piece of advise for you and your judo master: " Try your best to save face ASAP before is to late and whole Russian elite will be humiliated reagarding your unjust stand against Kosova.

Autonoy????? To have armed serbs in uniforms in Kosova again?????? No thank you Mr. Aleksandr Botsan-Kharchenko. I rather die tomorrow.

Exactly... like one poster had noted - talking to the alban negotiating team is like talking to a brick wall. They think they can just play stupid and wait for amercia to steal the Serbian land for them.

There is no parallel to Freedom and you all know that very well. Kosova will never be part of or under anyone, anymore. Kosova Independent is the best solution to an everlasting peace in the Balkans. Kosova is de facto Independent and will be de jure so in a matter of weeks. No one can stop the train of Freedom anymore.

bmrusila, I have no clue what borders are talking about that serbia should have control. If you are talking the borderline between Kosova and Serbia is fine as long as they stay on their side, but if you think borderlines between Albania, Montenegro and Macedonia you are the biggest dreamer that I have ever heard.

doni...

keep cool.., Serbia will enter the EU sooner or later, that is only a question of time.

you should rather have repeated Mr.Steinmeier´s warning... he said what I am saying all the time..

if you dare to declare your toy-republic and by doing that , negate the stateborders of the republic of Serbia, there will be a lot of losers...

I will repeat it once again: the greatest part of K-albanians lives in the vicinity of Priština, what means that they could end up in a ghetto-like situation, perhaps comparable with Gaza or something like that...

we would all lose.

talk to the wall is still good enough for serbia, they shouldnt even have talked after what is common knowledge serbia did to albanians.

20 out of 27 EU countries would recognize Kosovo's declaration of independence.
If I would be a Kosovo's government member, then I would declare independency the 11th of December 2007, even without a recognition by EU.

Isufi,

I would say lets wait and see who is the dreamer in this way to long dream. As for the borders I meant the borders with Albania, Montenegro, Macedonia, yes those borders. If EU agree on Aland proposal you would be demilitarized and Serbia would take care of its border, naturally. However, I think that Alands is to much for you to handle

Jovan, with your continuous threats you seem to be one step far from joining the "Car Lazar Guard". You and that Milic seem to have a lot in common, and a lot to agree on.

would serbia be willing to negotiate its independence??

thats why kosovo cant? same reasons?

Albanians will never accept less than Independence, even if the negotiating team agrees, which they will never do. such agreement is considered invalid.

Independence is up to the negotiating team.

"German Chancellor Angela Merkel and Italian Prime Minister Romano Prodi want to adopt a coordinated solution for Kosovo and the EU to come to a consensus on the matter."

Supervised independence.

“We want to do everything we can to reach a coordinated and harmonized European stance,” Merkel said after a meeting with Prodi."

Supervised independence.

According to the German government website, Merkel stressed that the future solution needed to be “as harmonious as possible between Serbia and Kosovo.”

Supervised independence.

"Germany and Italy want the negotiation process to continue as constructively as possible until the end and to avoid conflicts, according to internet news hub Netzeitung."

I don't feel anything will become of them, but it is an ideal time for some concrete discussions on how Kosovo plans to coordinate supervised independence with the EU.

"The site quoted Prodi as saying that “Serbia must clearly state that it has a future within the EU.”"

Hmmm, I don't think this government will be too pro-EU if a majority of the EU countries recognize independence of Kosovo. Maybe under another government.

"Germany warned the Kosovo Albanians on Monday against a unilateral proclamation of independence. "

And Germany is right to do so. I wish the US and some other had some foresight too.

Joe

Because the US acts first and then thinks later, this is why now they are bogged down in Iraq and Afghanistan with no end in sight. The EU wants to explore all the options first before acting. No one wants the same in Kosovo because the US's policy could easily start a new war for which Bush can simply fund from the state budget and enforce with more young American boys (and then expect European support support as well) and the people of the Balkans will be considered last in terms of priority. Also remember that the US is one state, the EU is twenty seven, so you can't compare them at all when it comes to common policy.

I don't understand this Russian Politician!
I think both teams are not giving up their original ideas!
K-Albanians want independence and nothing else,while Serbian Team only offers "autonomy" but in different names,like "Hong Kong","Aland Island",etc.

So is not right to blame K-Albanians for not changing their mind, as Serbia is not doing any better.You can say that they are more flexible,but in reality they are not!

It is sad that in elections in Kosovo and Serbia,mayority of votes went to "Radical Parties",this can tell us that there is not hope for any "in between "solution!

The site quoted Prodi as saying that “Serbia must clearly state that it has a future within the EU.”

miri,

you either cannot read at all, or you deliberately want to mislead the others here...

I am not threatening at all, that´s simply a lie.

please stop that. it doesn´t improve your desperate position at all.

for all moderate readers:

www.kosovocompromise.com

this links provides solutions with no losers.

@B92-"moderators" why are those stupid accusations published at all?

I always have to lough when I see this pathetic weakness of the EU countries. They never can agree on anything. And they wanted to be the light tower of the world. What a joke.
Angela wants a coordinated stance. I would like to live for 100 years to see such a thing.
Anyway - like always - the US will help them to solve this issue. The US will recognize Kosovo and the EU countries will follow. Some of them soon, some later.
Seeing this usual European charade I am proud more than ever to be a US and not a EU citizen.

Hopes were high for a cooperation deal in the 90-s and Albanians were ready for anything good comming from Belgrade. Now it is too late for anything like that. Kosova during the last 8 years has functioned de facto as an Independent State only without being recognized so de jure. This recognition will come in the next weeks and the madness that started from we all know who, will finally end, and Balkan people will finally get back to their daily lives. Even now, you still have politicians in Belgrade who call publicly Albanians in the derogatory term "siptars". So, not much has changed in Belgrade since 1990 and Albanians cannot experiment with their lives in the name of "cooperation" anymore. Thanks anyway. We got to go our way. And that means Independence and West.

Kosova has been Albanian, is Albanian and will ALWAYS be ALBANIAN.

Mr. kharchenko you are beating on dead horse and piece of advise for you and your judo master: " Try your best to save face ASAP before is to late and whole Russian elite will be humiliated reagarding your unjust stand against Kosova.

Autonoy????? To have armed serbs in uniforms in Kosova again?????? No thank you Mr. Aleksandr Botsan-Kharchenko. I rather die tomorrow.

bmrusila, I have no clue what borders are talking about that serbia should have control. If you are talking the borderline between Kosova and Serbia is fine as long as they stay on their side, but if you think borderlines between Albania, Montenegro and Macedonia you are the biggest dreamer that I have ever heard.

There is no parallel to Freedom and you all know that very well. Kosova will never be part of or under anyone, anymore. Kosova Independent is the best solution to an everlasting peace in the Balkans. Kosova is de facto Independent and will be de jure so in a matter of weeks. No one can stop the train of Freedom anymore.

talk to the wall is still good enough for serbia, they shouldnt even have talked after what is common knowledge serbia did to albanians.

Well, well, EU should reacted earlier by warning Pristina to approcah this neagotations constractivelly and come up with some substantional ideas. However, I hope that EU finally realise that Serbia makes efforts and comes with great plans that offers maximum of indepndence. The only thing Serbia wants is the control over Srbian minority, preservation of cultural and religious monuments and control over the borders. This really make sense and in long term this means stability. I don't know why Pristina refuses everything when once they will be totaly left on thier own without any help from outside. After indepndence the region will be still in crise and no one will invest. They will depend for a long time on the funds from the EU. But how long that will last and how much it can contribute in improvement of socail conditions. Prisitna backed by USA expressed high level of incapability in order to represent how do they see their future organisation of society and what do they really offer. They prefer to be independent supervised by the EU, USA. This means no full independence and if they fail this would furthermore mean bringing it back to Serbian sovereignity or just left aside while the EU will govren the region or even NATO.

Nevertheless, it seem that Pristina wants chaos, anarchy, and lawlesness. It is excellent way to shelter criminal activities by thier own high officals along with some UNMIK staff.

Albanians seem to be happy with railroad instructor from Sierra Leone (where the last train stopped running in 1975),and who knows how many of UN experts of this sort there is, with the lowest GDP in the world, and totaly destroyed economy. (this are the facts revealed by Maciej Zaremba, the staff writer for Swedish newspaper "Dagnes Nyheter").

The promising thing is that the entire EU must be united on this matter and seems they are not. Yet Germany and Italy warn Pristina of taking any unilateral steps. The negotiations will continue most likely beyond the December and by the spring solution will be found if EU warns Pristina to colaboarte and accept what is offered.

would serbia be willing to negotiate its independence??

thats why kosovo cant? same reasons?

Albanians will never accept less than Independence, even if the negotiating team agrees, which they will never do. such agreement is considered invalid.

Independence is up to the negotiating team.

I don't understand this Russian Politician!
I think both teams are not giving up their original ideas!
K-Albanians want independence and nothing else,while Serbian Team only offers "autonomy" but in different names,like "Hong Kong","Aland Island",etc.

So is not right to blame K-Albanians for not changing their mind, as Serbia is not doing any better.You can say that they are more flexible,but in reality they are not!

It is sad that in elections in Kosovo and Serbia,mayority of votes went to "Radical Parties",this can tell us that there is not hope for any "in between "solution!

doni...

keep cool.., Serbia will enter the EU sooner or later, that is only a question of time.

you should rather have repeated Mr.Steinmeier´s warning... he said what I am saying all the time..

if you dare to declare your toy-republic and by doing that , negate the stateborders of the republic of Serbia, there will be a lot of losers...

I will repeat it once again: the greatest part of K-albanians lives in the vicinity of Priština, what means that they could end up in a ghetto-like situation, perhaps comparable with Gaza or something like that...

we would all lose.

Serbia has shown that it is more than willing to forgo its maximalist position - full and total incorporation of its province.

Maybe the ethnic-Albanians would prefer Serbia to have been just as unwilling to "negotiate" but this offer remain for the taking and remain so for the time being so it is worth considering the benefits of these Autonomy proposals that have been put forth.

Ultimately UN SC resolution 1244 is not and will not be rescinded and there is no 'novel' way the legalist EU can bypass signed and agreed UN resolutions or international norms and laws.

Thus Serbia has the law & time on its side but the ethnic-Albanian leadership reperesenting less then 45% of the province need to remember that economic development is the most important priority and illegal declarations that Thaci said would happen on the 10th December will get them nowhere - like Ischinger said
"The label is worth nothing. Where are they going to get their income from? "

Take the best that is available as the alternative to continuing the jaw-jaw will be far from rosey.

20 out of 27 EU countries would recognize Kosovo's declaration of independence.
If I would be a Kosovo's government member, then I would declare independency the 11th of December 2007, even without a recognition by EU.

It looks like negotiating with the Albanian's is like talking to a brick wall.

Maybe someone should inform them that the meaning of 'negotiations' is where you have to create a win-win situation for each party. Give and take!

It oviously pointless, when you got America and UK pumping up meaningless promises to the Kosovo Albanian's for independence. Looks to me their attempts to sabatoge each meeting has worked out quite well so far.

I just hope that we can find a peaceful solution between us and the Albanian's before things get out of control.

The site quoted Prodi as saying that “Serbia must clearly state that it has a future within the EU.”

"German Chancellor Angela Merkel and Italian Prime Minister Romano Prodi want to adopt a coordinated solution for Kosovo and the EU to come to a consensus on the matter."

Supervised independence.

“We want to do everything we can to reach a coordinated and harmonized European stance,” Merkel said after a meeting with Prodi."

Supervised independence.

According to the German government website, Merkel stressed that the future solution needed to be “as harmonious as possible between Serbia and Kosovo.”

Supervised independence.

"Germany and Italy want the negotiation process to continue as constructively as possible until the end and to avoid conflicts, according to internet news hub Netzeitung."

I don't feel anything will become of them, but it is an ideal time for some concrete discussions on how Kosovo plans to coordinate supervised independence with the EU.

"The site quoted Prodi as saying that “Serbia must clearly state that it has a future within the EU.”"

Hmmm, I don't think this government will be too pro-EU if a majority of the EU countries recognize independence of Kosovo. Maybe under another government.

"Germany warned the Kosovo Albanians on Monday against a unilateral proclamation of independence. "

And Germany is right to do so. I wish the US and some other had some foresight too.

Exactly... like one poster had noted - talking to the alban negotiating team is like talking to a brick wall. They think they can just play stupid and wait for amercia to steal the Serbian land for them.

Isufi,

I would say lets wait and see who is the dreamer in this way to long dream. As for the borders I meant the borders with Albania, Montenegro, Macedonia, yes those borders. If EU agree on Aland proposal you would be demilitarized and Serbia would take care of its border, naturally. However, I think that Alands is to much for you to handle

Jovan, with your continuous threats you seem to be one step far from joining the "Car Lazar Guard". You and that Milic seem to have a lot in common, and a lot to agree on.

I always have to lough when I see this pathetic weakness of the EU countries. They never can agree on anything. And they wanted to be the light tower of the world. What a joke.
Angela wants a coordinated stance. I would like to live for 100 years to see such a thing.
Anyway - like always - the US will help them to solve this issue. The US will recognize Kosovo and the EU countries will follow. Some of them soon, some later.
Seeing this usual European charade I am proud more than ever to be a US and not a EU citizen.

miri,

you either cannot read at all, or you deliberately want to mislead the others here...

I am not threatening at all, that´s simply a lie.

please stop that. it doesn´t improve your desperate position at all.

for all moderate readers:

www.kosovocompromise.com

this links provides solutions with no losers.

@B92-"moderators" why are those stupid accusations published at all?

Joe

Because the US acts first and then thinks later, this is why now they are bogged down in Iraq and Afghanistan with no end in sight. The EU wants to explore all the options first before acting. No one wants the same in Kosovo because the US's policy could easily start a new war for which Bush can simply fund from the state budget and enforce with more young American boys (and then expect European support support as well) and the people of the Balkans will be considered last in terms of priority. Also remember that the US is one state, the EU is twenty seven, so you can't compare them at all when it comes to common policy.

Hopes were high for a cooperation deal in the 90-s and Albanians were ready for anything good comming from Belgrade. Now it is too late for anything like that. Kosova during the last 8 years has functioned de facto as an Independent State only without being recognized so de jure. This recognition will come in the next weeks and the madness that started from we all know who, will finally end, and Balkan people will finally get back to their daily lives. Even now, you still have politicians in Belgrade who call publicly Albanians in the derogatory term "siptars". So, not much has changed in Belgrade since 1990 and Albanians cannot experiment with their lives in the name of "cooperation" anymore. Thanks anyway. We got to go our way. And that means Independence and West.