"Political elite following Milošević’s example"

I hope that Serbian posters in this site read this, think again and write something productive for Serbia people. Serbia polticians for past 20 years have destoryed the dream of eveyr average Serbian.
Princip,Kate,Jovan,Ron look at Mr.Kovacevic as a examples of a moderate Serbs

Recosidering Serbia's (and of course, its neighbours')disaster, one cannot help asking: Why do always pepole like Milosevic-Kostunica-Nikolic reach the top of power in Serbia? Why do people like Kovacevic, Stambolic, Dindic, remain always a minority and have often to face an ugly fate? Why do goodwill souls as Tadic have to bow to the hardliners, in order to survive politically (and often not only politically)? Give an answer to that and you'll have the answer of 20 years of Yugoslav desaster. And to the related question, why even the Montengrins decided it was better to be neighbours than SCG citizens. The question regards in first place those non Serb posters who appear more hardliner than Serb hardliners here (or more Catholic than the Pope).

Well, true that...Serbia really did miss out on alot, and their politicians are very narrow sighted and narrow minded.

I don't think anyone is surprised, in fact, it becomes easier and easier to ridicule the Serb leaders based on the iffy statements they often make.

This is very obvious and old news to everyone apart from some serbs.

Instead of analysing what this guy is saying, I expect some serb posters to dicredit him, attack his repuation, use excuses such as 'Ustashe', Operation Oluja, KLA ... .... ...

I have always said, I wish our politicians were as good for the Kosovan albanian cause, as the serbian politicans!

"Serbia’s current leaders did not understand international relations."

Mr. Kovacevic, what is it that current Serbian leaders do not understand?
Perhaps they don't understand
that Serbia wants to retain its dignity, or, they don't understand that Serbia had a history of conflict with muslims dating back to the Ottoman Empire? Perhaps they don't understand how to appease the US in relinguishing its territory so the US could look good in the eyes of the muslim community? Finally, maybe they don't understand that the US wants to control Kosovo for their future strategic aspirations, and to wipe out the Serbian nation of the map?
Mr. Kovacevic, its people like you who don't understand that the Serbs are at the crossroads of survival as a nation!!!

This man should better shut up since he did nothing while he was an ambassador in USA. The role of ambassador is to promote the country in best way but this man done nothing. Yet he has courage to criticize current government's diplomacy. As far as I remember Milosevic hardly wanted to negotiate while this government wants to negotiate and wants to solve the problems in diplomatic way. This Mr (purposely do not write his name) should be ashamed to criticize government's intention to stand for the international law and save the country from its partition. Mr probably never heard or have problem understanding the meaning of sovereignity. This man would sell own country in order to join fragile Euorepan family. This man has no moral at all if he is ready to sell the part of the country just for joining some institution. The man who does not love own country does not deserve to have one or live in any country in the world. This man is the man who takes care only about own interests and no for the interests of its people. I wonder do you deserve any public function if that is the way how you treat own people by doing nothing in their interest. Our interest is RSrpska becuse our people, Serbs do live there and EU (your very friends)wants to abolish its existance. Is that your interest? I really wonder what would be the reaction any of EU countries facing the secession. Just remember what England have done and what was its reaction in the case of Falkland Islands. I think further comment is no needed since this man does not deserve to be mentioned and commented at all.

This Kovacevic is being ridiculous. ANY country would do what Serbia is doing, trying to defend its territorial integrity, and Serbia has international law on its side, which the albanians do not. Kosovo has always been Serbian and this guy sounds like he wants to sell it for a few dollars.

Could it be that all above (in my previous post, #5) derives from substituting national-religious mythology to rationality and factual reality? Besides, Slavko’s post (4) seems to prove my point. Regards
(genc,

This what you have said actually implies Albanians. We Serbs did not speak about our far past while you Albanians in lack of arguments go back to far far history claiming of being Illyrians. Or you just want to deny that Serbs have lived there since long long time ago and built its religious monuments having own godhood? Be ashame to deny our historical values and rights!

And for the factual reality I would say let wait and see what future brings us both .

Bmrusila,
you’ve put in my mouth sth. I’ve not said. No one would deny your historical values, UNLESS historical rights are not used to mistreat and rule over a majority, which doesn’t share those values. I think we could agree on this. I haven’t denied your historical values, but condemned the misuse you’ve done of them during the past century in the name of the historical right, which resulted in that tragedy we’ve seen. As for the rest, the article speaks for itself. So I have nothing to be ashamed of. And, if historical rights were to decide, you should transfer Voivodina to Hungary, since their were hardly serbs there prior to Velika Seoba (of course such land exchange is today an absurdum, according to the factual reality, and you’ll surely agree with me here). As for the Illyrian descendance, better let it out of politics and to the unbiased historians, but anyway, if we were to claim historical rights over Illyrian territories we should claim nearly the whole ex-Yugo. I don’t consider it a political issue, but just an historical one. And such an historical issue has never carried weight in Albanian politics, unlike what’s happened in the Serbian one.

OK, B92, I’m trying to put less harshly the last part of my partially censored posting (even if much worse, mainly from the other side, is bypassing your filters): Could it be that all above (in my previous post, #5) derives from substituting national-religious mythology to rationality and factual reality? Besides, Slavko’s post (4) seems to prove my point. Regards

Živorad Kovačević is the President of the European Movement in Serbia. He said "Serbia’s foreign policy focused solely on Kosovo, rather forming a strategy to enter the extended family of a united European nation."

But last week the EU and Serbia have initialed the Stabilization and Association Agreement (SAA).

As well as this he also said:

"Milošević’s policies were a tale of missed opportunities, adding that the first one was the U.S.’s initial support for keeping Yugoslavia intact."

This "initial support" was very short lived and superficial compared to its later support to the republics wanting to secede.

"He could have stopped the military and avoided damaging Serbia’s reputation with operations such as those in Dubrovnik, Vukovar and Sarajevo," - how? He was never a commander in chief of any army in 1991/2.

"Another missed chance, according to Kovačević, was his failure to come to an agreement over Kosovo with then leader Ibrahim Rugova, which would have given Serbia more authority that it is currently vainly seeking." - When? And how can Kovačević be sure that such an agreement have been kept to by the Kosovo-Albanians considering the KLA sidelined Rugova.

"Kovačević said that Milošević had not understood the international factor and underestimated it, especially the U.S." If anything Milošević underestimated how anti-Serbia the U.S. was.

This guy seems to be at least awake compared to his Serbian compatriots who have been daydreaming for the last 20 years. I think this is due to his travelling abroad and seeing other cultures and people. In contrast, the majority of Serbian citizens have never crossed their border, but have been "caged" in their state. That's why people like this person don't have a future in countries like Serbia. They simply don't represent the people.

Imenjak (Slavko),

Do you and the former Serbian Ambassador to the U.S. honestly think Milosevic controlled battlefield strategy?

The author said new problems were created to cover-up old problems. That might also explain his writing style.

He is right - Milosevic was a disaster. International politics is not a game that he could play.

Nationalistic thinking is still on the tv too much - the radicals' agenda sells well at home, but in regard to the realities of international politics they have not got a clue. The democratic parties get sucked into this agenda and that is not good.

I dismiss the nationalist parties as I dismissed Milosevic - they are useless and counter-productive to Serbia's best interest.

Put it this way - if Milosevic had not been so stupid he would have been a traitor to Serbia.

"Serbia’s current leaders did not understand international relations."

Mr. Kovacevic, what is it that current Serbian leaders do not understand?
Perhaps they don't understand
that Serbia wants to retain its dignity, or, they don't understand that Serbia had a history of conflict with muslims dating back to the Ottoman Empire? Perhaps they don't understand how to appease the US in relinguishing its territory so the US could look good in the eyes of the muslim community? Finally, maybe they don't understand that the US wants to control Kosovo for their future strategic aspirations, and to wipe out the Serbian nation of the map?
Mr. Kovacevic, its people like you who don't understand that the Serbs are at the crossroads of survival as a nation!!!

Could it be that all above (in my previous post, #5) derives from substituting national-religious mythology to rationality and factual reality? Besides, Slavko’s post (4) seems to prove my point. Regards
(genc,

This what you have said actually implies Albanians. We Serbs did not speak about our far past while you Albanians in lack of arguments go back to far far history claiming of being Illyrians. Or you just want to deny that Serbs have lived there since long long time ago and built its religious monuments having own godhood? Be ashame to deny our historical values and rights!

And for the factual reality I would say let wait and see what future brings us both .

Recosidering Serbia's (and of course, its neighbours')disaster, one cannot help asking: Why do always pepole like Milosevic-Kostunica-Nikolic reach the top of power in Serbia? Why do people like Kovacevic, Stambolic, Dindic, remain always a minority and have often to face an ugly fate? Why do goodwill souls as Tadic have to bow to the hardliners, in order to survive politically (and often not only politically)? Give an answer to that and you'll have the answer of 20 years of Yugoslav desaster. And to the related question, why even the Montengrins decided it was better to be neighbours than SCG citizens. The question regards in first place those non Serb posters who appear more hardliner than Serb hardliners here (or more Catholic than the Pope).

OK, B92, I’m trying to put less harshly the last part of my partially censored posting (even if much worse, mainly from the other side, is bypassing your filters): Could it be that all above (in my previous post, #5) derives from substituting national-religious mythology to rationality and factual reality? Besides, Slavko’s post (4) seems to prove my point. Regards

Well, true that...Serbia really did miss out on alot, and their politicians are very narrow sighted and narrow minded.

I don't think anyone is surprised, in fact, it becomes easier and easier to ridicule the Serb leaders based on the iffy statements they often make.

I hope that Serbian posters in this site read this, think again and write something productive for Serbia people. Serbia polticians for past 20 years have destoryed the dream of eveyr average Serbian.
Princip,Kate,Jovan,Ron look at Mr.Kovacevic as a examples of a moderate Serbs

Živorad Kovačević is the President of the European Movement in Serbia. He said "Serbia’s foreign policy focused solely on Kosovo, rather forming a strategy to enter the extended family of a united European nation."

But last week the EU and Serbia have initialed the Stabilization and Association Agreement (SAA).

As well as this he also said:

"Milošević’s policies were a tale of missed opportunities, adding that the first one was the U.S.’s initial support for keeping Yugoslavia intact."

This "initial support" was very short lived and superficial compared to its later support to the republics wanting to secede.

"He could have stopped the military and avoided damaging Serbia’s reputation with operations such as those in Dubrovnik, Vukovar and Sarajevo," - how? He was never a commander in chief of any army in 1991/2.

"Another missed chance, according to Kovačević, was his failure to come to an agreement over Kosovo with then leader Ibrahim Rugova, which would have given Serbia more authority that it is currently vainly seeking." - When? And how can Kovačević be sure that such an agreement have been kept to by the Kosovo-Albanians considering the KLA sidelined Rugova.

"Kovačević said that Milošević had not understood the international factor and underestimated it, especially the U.S." If anything Milošević underestimated how anti-Serbia the U.S. was.

This man should better shut up since he did nothing while he was an ambassador in USA. The role of ambassador is to promote the country in best way but this man done nothing. Yet he has courage to criticize current government's diplomacy. As far as I remember Milosevic hardly wanted to negotiate while this government wants to negotiate and wants to solve the problems in diplomatic way. This Mr (purposely do not write his name) should be ashamed to criticize government's intention to stand for the international law and save the country from its partition. Mr probably never heard or have problem understanding the meaning of sovereignity. This man would sell own country in order to join fragile Euorepan family. This man has no moral at all if he is ready to sell the part of the country just for joining some institution. The man who does not love own country does not deserve to have one or live in any country in the world. This man is the man who takes care only about own interests and no for the interests of its people. I wonder do you deserve any public function if that is the way how you treat own people by doing nothing in their interest. Our interest is RSrpska becuse our people, Serbs do live there and EU (your very friends)wants to abolish its existance. Is that your interest? I really wonder what would be the reaction any of EU countries facing the secession. Just remember what England have done and what was its reaction in the case of Falkland Islands. I think further comment is no needed since this man does not deserve to be mentioned and commented at all.

Bmrusila,
you’ve put in my mouth sth. I’ve not said. No one would deny your historical values, UNLESS historical rights are not used to mistreat and rule over a majority, which doesn’t share those values. I think we could agree on this. I haven’t denied your historical values, but condemned the misuse you’ve done of them during the past century in the name of the historical right, which resulted in that tragedy we’ve seen. As for the rest, the article speaks for itself. So I have nothing to be ashamed of. And, if historical rights were to decide, you should transfer Voivodina to Hungary, since their were hardly serbs there prior to Velika Seoba (of course such land exchange is today an absurdum, according to the factual reality, and you’ll surely agree with me here). As for the Illyrian descendance, better let it out of politics and to the unbiased historians, but anyway, if we were to claim historical rights over Illyrian territories we should claim nearly the whole ex-Yugo. I don’t consider it a political issue, but just an historical one. And such an historical issue has never carried weight in Albanian politics, unlike what’s happened in the Serbian one.

This is very obvious and old news to everyone apart from some serbs.

Instead of analysing what this guy is saying, I expect some serb posters to dicredit him, attack his repuation, use excuses such as 'Ustashe', Operation Oluja, KLA ... .... ...

I have always said, I wish our politicians were as good for the Kosovan albanian cause, as the serbian politicans!

This Kovacevic is being ridiculous. ANY country would do what Serbia is doing, trying to defend its territorial integrity, and Serbia has international law on its side, which the albanians do not. Kosovo has always been Serbian and this guy sounds like he wants to sell it for a few dollars.

This guy seems to be at least awake compared to his Serbian compatriots who have been daydreaming for the last 20 years. I think this is due to his travelling abroad and seeing other cultures and people. In contrast, the majority of Serbian citizens have never crossed their border, but have been "caged" in their state. That's why people like this person don't have a future in countries like Serbia. They simply don't represent the people.

He is right - Milosevic was a disaster. International politics is not a game that he could play.

Nationalistic thinking is still on the tv too much - the radicals' agenda sells well at home, but in regard to the realities of international politics they have not got a clue. The democratic parties get sucked into this agenda and that is not good.

I dismiss the nationalist parties as I dismissed Milosevic - they are useless and counter-productive to Serbia's best interest.

Put it this way - if Milosevic had not been so stupid he would have been a traitor to Serbia.

Imenjak (Slavko),

Do you and the former Serbian Ambassador to the U.S. honestly think Milosevic controlled battlefield strategy?

The author said new problems were created to cover-up old problems. That might also explain his writing style.