Czar Lazar Guard: War is inevitable

This guy is an idiot to say the least - they should change their name to Guard of Retards.

I hope that nobody supports them in Serbia.... mmm

What a shameful bunch of idiots Czar Lazar Guard have become! These types of muppets are the real shame on Serbdom and clearly their rhetoric is like letting off a machine gun right into their own foot for their so called organisation - I can imagine many patriots distancing themselves form such a rant.

Serb patriotism will not allow the partition of the Sovereign and UN recognised Republic of Serbia and equally will not let these few muppets a chance to do any of the sort they suggest. Their so called leader has just ensured his unpopularity with the real patriots that will make the difference.

What is the ANA, KLA & KPC - a bunch of peacekeepers? Oh, I forgot, they're backed by the US, UNMIK, NATO - so they are exempt from being classified as anything other than refugees with UN passports who were displaced.

If this is freedom, who needs it!

What are Serbian authorities doing to prevent the war propaganda this time?
Where is the peaceful Kostunica clan hiding these days?
This shows clearly the difference between the Czar Lazar G. and the ANA and one may say also between Serbs and Albanians, while the first ones want to prosecute every single Albanian, the second ones want only to protect them!
... and some are really expecting from Albanians to still live together with Serbs. What a shame.

“Just as Martić shelled Zagreb, we will do the same to Priština. Since the Shiptars (derogatory term for Kosovo Albanians) have reproduced like rabbits, they will die like rabbits. There will be no survivors.


Kalashnikov Neandertals!

as far as i know, he said "dirty bomb" not atomic bomb. this in connection with the disapearment of nearly one ton of nuclear waste in the republika srpska makes even myself nervous. dirty bombs don´t divide between serbs and albanians.

both sides will play that card, if they don´t get what they want. this was clear to everybody from the beginning.

that´s why the un sent in january 500 000 tents "for the 150 000 serbs" living in kosovo, as they told to the albanians. and that´s why the usa ordered croatia and montenegro to build refugee camps for kosovars and to not make any trouble with their pseudo-passports.

so, every side is prepared for the most realistic szenario, and b92 is acting as if it´s totally out of the blue, allthough they for themselves reported all of this (un-tents, camp-building order to croatia from the us, disaperment of nuclear waste etc.).

Both sides have extremists...The albanians and the ANA are to be taken more seriously, but I understand the aggrevation the Guard is feeling, Kosovo must not have illegal independence, the days of Srbija being pushed around are over

Is B92 is becomming official representor of this dirty terrorist bandit group called Car Lazar Liberation army. Is a shame for B92 to publicate such insults, I can not understund. If is this democracy of the freedom of speach, that democracy must olso protect all the citizens no matter their race and nationality. I wonder how is possible to give a such opportunity to those nazi terrorists, anarchists and poor idiots to express their bloody minds and aspirations for killing kosovar albanians and all others that oposed their stupid ideas.

Shame on B92 for this article.

I really believe that these fools do not represent the Serb people, not even to the same extent the ANA represents the K-Albanians. They both speak for tiny segments of the respective populations and they both are doing more harm than good. It must be said however that it is easier to support the ANA because they are not even close to being as crazy as this Guards or their leader. The ANA while a extremist organization has never used this sort of language about the Serbs or anybody, it has never made such derogatory and threatening statements as the Czar Lazar Guard and the ANA has never threatened to ethnically cleanse Kosova or take it over.
In any case it would be much better if both groups were to disappear or be dealt with by the authorities otherwise they can cause a sea of trouble.

Don't bother to worry about these clowns, they are nothing, just as the cuban militia in Miami that "are just waiting to defeat the Castro army" Why have they waited since 1958 then?

But the real threat against peace is not Czar Lazar guards or Ana, its the KLA:s plans to etnicly cleans the few remaining serbs after december the 10:th. all in the name of ANA...

"The ANA is defensive in nature" Teni. Please explain to us uneducated "nationalists, extremists" how a terrorist organization occupying Sovereign Serbian territory is only acting in a defensive manner, while the CLG is the "aggressor"! Is Kosovo Serbia or Albania? Is the CLG being defensive or the ANA? The truth is easy to see if the truth is what you are looking for!!!

If Serbia stands so much for international law when it comes to the sovereignty of their state, they need to be just as assertive when it comes to international law and their stance towards these extremists. Kostunica as an act of good will or an act of intent in putting his money where his mouth is should personally oversee the disarming and arrest of these people or he will lose Kosovo.

Some of the threats include shelling Priština and NATO bases in Kosovo, using an atomic bomb, and sending hundreds of thousands of volunteers to fight in the province.


This is funniest in all. I just wonder where they gonna find these many people to fight for the bunch of idiots in the name of Serbs. Hey, I am Serb but do not know how suddenly they appeared and who is behind them, but what I certainly know is that these people have no my support neither of majority of Serbs. I personaly do not believe in their power. Perhaps is just a bunch of bored people gathered in one organisation so called Czar Lazar and all they want is someone pay attention on them. I just feel sorry for the name they pick for their Guard dicgarcing such honest historical name such as Czar Lazar.

Mel from Brussels
I would say thank you to B92 for telling the trouth about what these people realy say, think and feel. And of course it is not good that "people" feeling this way exist. Even Al Qaeda does not speak with this language to the Americans. How can you expect K-Albanians to accept autonomy
when they know that animals like these ones exist.

25 comments so far on a bunch of nasty dreamers and it doesn't affect at all the future status of Kosovo and Metohija. These guys are a bunch of losers who dream of making a name for themselves in war to compensate for having no girlfriend and a small manhood.

Lets not debate such an non entity group. It doesn't reflect on Serbs or Albanians. Dreamers exsist everywhere. Its so disappointing that this story gets so many comments when other more relevant and serious stories attract no attention.

And Slavko. You can be ashamed of certain people within our ethnic group and still believe that Kosovo and Metohija is Serb land. Princip is like me in that respect. Its not black and white, us and them.

Reminds me of Slobodans retric and the military of the 90s. WAGE WAR FOR PEACE !

When one person non-Serb, non-Albanian listens to this rhetorick can't help but ask him/herself: What the hell?

These people have been the baseground of every government of Serbia in the last 20 years. These people are the ones that scared the rest of the nations away from the Serbian nation. These are the people that start wars. These are the people that Albanians want to get away from. These are the people that any sane person wants to get as far away from as God allows you to.

To all the Serb posters saying that major part of Serbs do not support these annimals.
So was the case with the "Tigers" and you know what they did with that "little" support

These idiots want to Bomb the cradle of our civilization and the foundation of our culture!?!?!?!? The sheer stupidity of their comments is overwhelming. What a “We had to destroy Kosovo in order to save it” attitude.

“The Guard also claimed that they would topple the government and move into the parliament if anyone tried to stop them from”

Now they are even supporting revolution?

I just thought of them as harmless but crazy old men and some rebellious teenagers, but they are getting more and more extreme in their comments.

They need to be outlawed and their leaders put in jail. They are a disgrace to our people.

Yes, we Serbs have legitimate grievances, but this is NOT the way to gain sympathy from countries on the fence about the Kosovo issue. These morons are only hurting our cause.

I can not explain in words just how angry I am with them at this moment.

The only good thing about them is it seems to have brought EVERYONE here together to condemn them. If only ANA brought a similar response from the pro-independence camp here.

As a Serb I do NOT want to spend the next decade or two apologizing for the potential crimes of this bunch of terrorists. I am sick and tired of people like these giving us good Serbs a bad name.

Slavko,

As far as I remember all Serbs did condemn ANA organisation which is in my opinion far more dangerous than this Guard. But don't you see these people as Serbian disgrace. They threat to all of us who do not agree with them and their policy. You see, I despise military people who uses the vocabular of threat for own people but for the others too, if not share same values. In this case I do not share same values with them. I do share same values with my government and honoured Army and I will stand to my governmets' decision in Kosovo solution.

Hadži Andrej Milić

Hats off to this man.

It is to easy, even if not completely justified as I hope, to condemn the Serbian people by saying that they are represented by such a group as the Czar Lazar Guard.
It could be more worrying for Srbija however, if the goals promoted by the CLG, and above all the means to reach them, were shared by a notable percentage of the Serbian public opinion.

This Csar Lazar-club is funded by certain Albanian groups, in order to help achieve their goal of independance for Kosovo. Some of the 'leaders' of this group are still in very good relations with the Albanians they are supposed to fight. It's all a big publicity-scam.
For one thing: all Serbs know what good the shelling of ZG brought us in the end. So get these clowns out of sight, investigate their bank accounts and 'properties' in and outside of Kosovo and make sure that these people don't manage to ruin our chances of keeping Kosovo.
Basically it's a bunch of traitors and actors, doing what they are paid for: giving Serbia bad publicity in a period when we are actually achieving something with our negotiating strategy.

if i understood this pathetic tirade right they're threatening our army and police, i.e., the state of serbia? lol. whatever else that is taking it too far, although its all yapping. bout time for a few nice but determined men in blue to knock on their doors. that methinks is the only inevitable thing here :)

"Some of the threats include shelling Priština and NATO bases in Kosovo, using an atomic bomb, and sending hundreds of thousands of volunteers to fight in the province."

Um, part of what makes a threat a threat is to sound, oh, I don't know, CREDIBLE?

Isn't it time for B92 to conduct a poll on the Czar Lazar Guard along the same lines as they have for the ANA? Just as a sign of impartiality.

I agree, the Czar Lazar Guard are a bunch of backwards thinking idiots without a rational thought among the lot of them. Yet they are no different from the ANA. Teni, i dont understand how it is always the serbs that are the agressors. Only reason that pointless idiotic war ever occured was because albanians wanted to force people out of their homes, you cant deny that fact. no one can win a war, there are only losers. These idiots suggesting that they will use a nuclear bomb is completely absurd, yet i do not deny the nuclear capabilities of serbia, nor albanians alike. If we want to move forward we must distance our selves from the ANA and CLG.... yet let it be known, the actions of a handful of people cannot be pinned onto a whole popultation.

These groups will always be around aslong as we are. They are the result or years of torment, suffering and pain, and no side was more affected than an other.

I'm sorry to say, but im dead certain that if kosovo is or is not liberated, spastic brain-less no hopers like the ANA and CLG will act. The only hope we have is to meet a common ground. I do support the serbian plan for autonomy, as it both allows serbs to hold onto kosovo as they deserve, yet it also offers kosovo to be independent politically from serbia. Serbia has given in to demands and it has compromised... but you all deep down know that the independence of kosovo will only lead to bloodshed and a world of trouble for other countries in the same situation.

People are people, they have rights, doesn't matter whether they are serbian or albanian. we both bleed. We all want to be heard, but we cant try to all talk at the same time... we must meet on common grounds and both compromise in order to prevail and progress as people.

Princip,

As with many others, I always read your posts, and value your opinions as being well-considered and well-articulated.

With this one, you're spot-on, but I'm going to expand on it by saying that based on my experiences being here in Serbia for the last year, I'm having trouble believing that patriotism is not going to trump long-term ambition (and by that, I'm referring to EU membership). You're absolutely right in stating that CLG isn't ingratiating itself on any side of the issue, but I think the common sense of the Serb-in-the-street, so to speak, isn't going to let this gang of thugs get very far, in much the same way the ANA isn't going to go very far with their own agenda.

In this case, patriotism and long-term goals do mix, and mix very well. Serbs aren't going to let these goons speak for them.

The Guard’s ultra-nationalist rhetoric includes statements that every Albanian will be either killed or returned to Albania, while Serbs who don’t agree with their views will also be dealt with.

“Just as Martić shelled Zagreb, we will do the same to Priština. Since the Šiptars [derogatory term for Kosovo Albanians] have reproduced like rabbits, they will die like rabbits. There will be no survivors. God help the Serbian military and police if they try and get in our way. We will view them as the enemy, and we will do to them the same as we’ll do to the Šiptars,” the leader of the group Hadži Andrej Milić said.

“To people like Princip, who's side are you on?
(Slavko, 16. November 2007 15:35)”

Who’s side are you on Slavko? You think the Guard is helping the Serbian cause? Do you really think supporting them is good for our people and our future?

Princip dedicates more time and effort to the Kosovo issue than anyone else here in the Pro-Serb camp. He uses peace and diplomacy as his weapon of choice, not hot air, rhetoric and empty threats. Had people like Princip been in charge in the 1990’s, we would have won the PR war and you know it.

If there is to be war, that is a decision for the government to make, not some weekend warriors. The Czar Lazar Guards are the worst kind of danger to our international reputation and need to be put in their place right away.

I cherish Kosovo and what it means to us, but that does not mean in any way I dislike Albanians or ignore their needs. We must find a PEACEFUL solution that takes into account the desires of both people.

Slavko:
As an Albanian I can tell you that Princip is one of the most eloquent and reasonable proponents of the Serb cause in this site(although I never agree with him). And he is proving that right now by condemning this Czar Lazar foolishness. It does not portray you or any Serb in a good light to defend such idiots just because in some crazy way they are "on our side".

Bmrusila: I agree that the ANA is an extremist though still irrelevant organization, with the potential to become dangerous if the situation gets messy. However there is one fundamental difference between the ANA and CLG. The ANA is defensive in nature: it will only fight Serbia if Serbia intervenes militarily. The CLG is...well crazy. No other way to describe it.

First and foremost, I must say I’m disappointed the Albanian camp here doesn’t condemn ANA as much as the Serbian camp here condemned CLG. ANA IS dangerous, they are armed and patrolling the streets and stopping people. I consider them FAR MORE dangerous, if only for the fact that it seems they have the support of the Albanian posters here. The CLG are mostly a joke, they talk big, but they aren’t capable of really doing anything, and they are far too public to get away with something. They will easily be rounded up if they actually tried something. ANA is pretty secretive, on the ground in Kosovo, and have access to weapons and carry them. The Kosovo Albanians have NATO to protect them, they have no need for a “defensive” force there. If anything, after 2004, it’s the Serbs that would need defensive protection since NATO seems incapable of actually protecting our people, let alone even admitting there’s a problem.

Slavko,

“How far has talking got the Kosovo Serbs,
those internally and externally?”

Actually the current Serbian government so far as been remarkably successful in getting their message across. I think we have a good chance at a real compromise solution as long as we stay focused on our message in a positive way. If the CLG were to act like ANA, wearing masks, stopping people at gunpoint, etc, we would probably lose ALL the good will from those countries on the fence about Kosovo right now. Milosevic used those sorts of tactics, and that is exactly why we are in the current situation.

Just take a look at Croatia as an example. They butchered the Bosniaks, they destroyed Mostar, they completely ethnically cleansed Krajina, yet came out smelling like roses. The Tudjman government understood the importance of Public Relations and crafting a good public image.

Slavko, people like me and Princip and the others are just as concerned about the fate of Kosovo as you are. We’re angry too. Use your head man, supporting groups like the CLG gains us NOTHING except to maybe express some anger, and that is just counter productive.

My wife’s family were ethnically cleansed from Krajina, trust me I understand your anger at the way our people have been treated. The things our people endured just makes my blood boil. However, we can not make the same mistakes we did in the past.

“accept the fact that we are the guinea pigs for the new world order!!!!”

You are absolutely correct, Yugoslavia and the non-aligned movement needed to be removed from the scene in order for the rest of Eastern Europe to gravitate towards the EU more efficiently. However, nothing you’ve suggested, or the CLG, would change this. Have you learned nothing from the past two decades?

Who are they going to fight against KFOR?
Sljiovica Guard is on action. KFOR be careful.
I think this is just preparation of the ground for KFOR forces to move in big numbers in northern part of Kosova without any objection from Serbia population.

Serb posters:
Terrorist are inside your house. What are you going to do about it? How are you going to deal with it?
Are you going to deal same as you have dealt with KLA?

Viva Las Vegas

I can't understand the hypocricy stemming from both the Albanian and Serbian posters. To the Albanians, you don't condemn the Albanian militia patrolling the borders, that's OK.
To people like Princip, who's side are you on?

Milic should get it through his head that this is neither 1912 nor 1999, the game is played in a whole other level now.

As for their threats, i would suggest that next time they come to Kosova they bring an extra shirt, or they catch a cold like they did last time.

To Matthew, Princip, and all the other Serbs who share the same ideology. Who doesn't like a peaceful resolution? How far has talking got the Kosovo Serbs,
those internally and externally? If you "true" Serbs follow the media, we bent over backwards talking and proposing. We are willing to grant an autonomy that never existed in a democratic society. What do we get as a rebuttle? Independence from the Albanians and, double standards from the US and the EU. So let's continue talking until we lose everything up to Belgrade.
So wake up, accept the fact that we are the guinea pigs for the new world order!!!!

"This Csar Lazar-club is funded by certain Albanian groups, in order to help achieve their goal of independance for Kosovo."

Prove it! On the other hand, just be a man and say those exact words to Hadži Andrej Milić's face. Also, could you please publicize the date of this event, as we'd all like to see his reaction when you tell him this.

obilic,

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B0CE2D6173AF93BA25757C0A9659C8B63&n=Top/Reference/Times%20Topics/Organizations/U/United%20Nations

ana is terrorist, these morons are hot air, and need to be locked up asap for inciting ethnic hatred, or else we're not a real country but a lawless territory like some lawless territories that spring to mind.. :)

oh slavko, slavko :)
may i dare to answer for princip, and also for myself as a patriot, on the side of the serb nation and the serb state and on the side of all those who work in its favor, and against those who harm its interests.
how hard is that to understand?

B92 is right to print this rubbish, as there is a danger that CLG will attract support, just as happened with other extremist leaders. It is good to note that Serbs and Kosovo Albanians alike are not interested in killing innocent people. If CLG really does exist and it tries to attack civlians or police, whether Serb, UNMIK, K-Albanians, they will be elminated by the forces of good.

Where to draw the line here. Freedom of speech is harmful any time it serves purposes like this. Something tells me that for a reason or another this CL group will definitely have people who will nod at their statements or join them in their skinny-head "actions".
They do not only harm Serbia and its image, but the entire Western Balkans, once again to be perceived (and pardon me for agreeing) as a wild bunch of nations who will never deal with each-other in a civilized way, not to forget the negotiations themselves, which just prove how unprepared Serbia is for independence instead of conflict.
These people should not be allowed media attention, but only the willingness of their governments to make them disappear from whatever scene they are jumping on. Some here say that extremists like these are used by politicians for political gains and so on. Not to brag here about ethics, but for God's sake it's 2007, show some human element in whatever you do. Looks like these politicians of Serbia and Kosovo have read nothing else but The Prince.
Oh and as for sending them in Tirana... um u actually did that in 1999, some 600.000. I had never seen people coming from war in my life... but thanks to S.M I now know what war refugees mean from first hand experience.
As a proponent of international law I do like the principle of national sovereignty, and that's EXACTLY what we could talk about here. If you don't know how to deal with minorities, then expect to loose them, that includes territory... And that is part of international law too. In the end, Kosova will be independent not much bcs of theory but because of a very simple fact: Serbs and Albanians of Kosovo have had the chance to live together, since Slavs sett foot in the Balkans some 14 centuries ago. It's about time each goes on his own way, so for once we will say I am from the Balkans, and ppl will not expect me to tell them about bombs and wars.
Just accept the facts guys. Those 2 million people there would rather die, than have a Serbian flag representing them. Is it so hard to understand? Probably CL and its freaks do. In a way or another, even though they represent the extreme line of the whole thing they are much prepared than most Serbian ppl. Not accepting Kosovo independence when time comes, you will legitimize CL and whoever else, bcs you are not ready to accept independence. So deal with these freaks and whoever else who opposes independence in your country, or send the Balkans to war again. We haven't had any these last 15 years.

I think both the guards and the ANA are idiotic with that said the ANA have the high ground.NATO is not trying to stop them inside Kosovo and yet they are telling Srbija to leash the guard.Serbs inside Kosovo need to be protected if and when the albanians and US act unilaterally.Nick Burns a few days ago had the nerve to tell Srbija to not react if they decide to steal Kosovo (yeah right).My main concern is protecting Serbs inside Kosovo.

Albanian National Army can not be put in the sameline with Tsar Lazar's Guard. Albanian National Army is the military structure of the Albanian National Unification Front, that aims to unite all the Albanian territories colonized by Slavic and Greek colonizer and conqueror into a sigle national Albanian state, with the name Albania.It has nothing with the peoples with Slavic or Greek nationality that are living inside the colonial states of Serbia, Greece, "FYROM" or Montenegro. But will not tolerate the colonization of any part of Albanian territory.
To liberate your territories doesn't mean the same thing to conquest them.
The Car Lazar's Guard, (discovered by the intelligence service of the Albanian National Unification Front)represents the Greater Serbia's aggressive politics that aims to conquest and colonize the Albanian territories.
ANA is reacting puerly as a defensive organization to the threats of CLG - ANA has very strong support throughout Kosova and other Albanian lands, and is continuing to grow with every passing day due to such threats

Some braindead talking rubbish to see himself in the news. Nothing new or uncommon , you find these guys all over.

I am Canadian but what Guard Tzar Lazar said is stupid and it doesnt help the serbian cause at all. ANA doesnt help the Albanian cause either but at least they dont threaten serbians like that and dont threaten their people parliament. What I dont understand is, is serbia divided between a Democratic Serbia and a Communist Serbia

Did it ever occur to you that by those type of comments and actions you lose Bosnia Slovenia Croatia Macedonia and eventually even your brothers montenegro left you

Its those type of people that albanians dont want to live with and can you blame them. Those are the type of people that destroyed former Yugoslavia. Tido was a good man he kept everyone happy, Milosevic destroyed everything that mattered to serbs, croats, albanian, bosnians , slovens , macedonians, montengrians NOT YUGOSLAVIA but a place they were albe to call home. But most importantly they lost their familys their friends
houses can be rebuilt HUMANS CANT SERBS WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE YOU ARE HUMAN YOU CAN BLEED, YOU CAN BE IN PAIN, YOU ALL HAVE EMOTIONS, YOU CAN ALL CRY noone is better then the other. Im glad the majority of the serbs and Albanian have finnally gotten that through their thick heads but its people like that that threaten the security of both Kosovar Albanians and Serbians

and were not in 1960s any more we are in 2007 you have to built a future not wars Kosovo and Serbia are one of the poorest countries in the world because of war and now u want to start a new one.. I don't understand you people

no disrespect to people like Princip and god save his bless him tido I support Kosovo's independence

but if it was run by people like Princip and tido the man who created Yugoslavia i would have never supported Yugoslavia to break up but that is wat these kind of people do.

you Kosovars have to ask yourselfs do u want to be represented by ANA

and the Serbians have to ask themselves do you really wanna lose the last territory that remains with you. and if this continues you will lose methonija too. you are gaining some respect back but you will never have the respect that you have before the yugoslav wars.
you all have to move forwards even if it is indpendece, autnomy or w/e but keep away from people like this, if you dont and they acctually do what they just said they would wats gonna stop the rest of the world not to recognize Kosovo

Isn't it time for B92 to conduct a poll on the Czar Lazar Guard along the same lines as they have for the ANA? Just as a sign of impartiality.

This guy is an idiot to say the least - they should change their name to Guard of Retards.

I hope that nobody supports them in Serbia.... mmm

These idiots want to Bomb the cradle of our civilization and the foundation of our culture!?!?!?!? The sheer stupidity of their comments is overwhelming. What a “We had to destroy Kosovo in order to save it” attitude.

“The Guard also claimed that they would topple the government and move into the parliament if anyone tried to stop them from”

Now they are even supporting revolution?

I just thought of them as harmless but crazy old men and some rebellious teenagers, but they are getting more and more extreme in their comments.

They need to be outlawed and their leaders put in jail. They are a disgrace to our people.

Yes, we Serbs have legitimate grievances, but this is NOT the way to gain sympathy from countries on the fence about the Kosovo issue. These morons are only hurting our cause.

I can not explain in words just how angry I am with them at this moment.

The only good thing about them is it seems to have brought EVERYONE here together to condemn them. If only ANA brought a similar response from the pro-independence camp here.

As a Serb I do NOT want to spend the next decade or two apologizing for the potential crimes of this bunch of terrorists. I am sick and tired of people like these giving us good Serbs a bad name.

Is B92 is becomming official representor of this dirty terrorist bandit group called Car Lazar Liberation army. Is a shame for B92 to publicate such insults, I can not understund. If is this democracy of the freedom of speach, that democracy must olso protect all the citizens no matter their race and nationality. I wonder how is possible to give a such opportunity to those nazi terrorists, anarchists and poor idiots to express their bloody minds and aspirations for killing kosovar albanians and all others that oposed their stupid ideas.

Shame on B92 for this article.

I am Canadian but what Guard Tzar Lazar said is stupid and it doesnt help the serbian cause at all. ANA doesnt help the Albanian cause either but at least they dont threaten serbians like that and dont threaten their people parliament. What I dont understand is, is serbia divided between a Democratic Serbia and a Communist Serbia

Did it ever occur to you that by those type of comments and actions you lose Bosnia Slovenia Croatia Macedonia and eventually even your brothers montenegro left you

Its those type of people that albanians dont want to live with and can you blame them. Those are the type of people that destroyed former Yugoslavia. Tido was a good man he kept everyone happy, Milosevic destroyed everything that mattered to serbs, croats, albanian, bosnians , slovens , macedonians, montengrians NOT YUGOSLAVIA but a place they were albe to call home. But most importantly they lost their familys their friends
houses can be rebuilt HUMANS CANT SERBS WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE YOU ARE HUMAN YOU CAN BLEED, YOU CAN BE IN PAIN, YOU ALL HAVE EMOTIONS, YOU CAN ALL CRY noone is better then the other. Im glad the majority of the serbs and Albanian have finnally gotten that through their thick heads but its people like that that threaten the security of both Kosovar Albanians and Serbians

and were not in 1960s any more we are in 2007 you have to built a future not wars Kosovo and Serbia are one of the poorest countries in the world because of war and now u want to start a new one.. I don't understand you people

no disrespect to people like Princip and god save his bless him tido I support Kosovo's independence

but if it was run by people like Princip and tido the man who created Yugoslavia i would have never supported Yugoslavia to break up but that is wat these kind of people do.

you Kosovars have to ask yourselfs do u want to be represented by ANA

and the Serbians have to ask themselves do you really wanna lose the last territory that remains with you. and if this continues you will lose methonija too. you are gaining some respect back but you will never have the respect that you have before the yugoslav wars.
you all have to move forwards even if it is indpendece, autnomy or w/e but keep away from people like this, if you dont and they acctually do what they just said they would wats gonna stop the rest of the world not to recognize Kosovo

It is to easy, even if not completely justified as I hope, to condemn the Serbian people by saying that they are represented by such a group as the Czar Lazar Guard.
It could be more worrying for Srbija however, if the goals promoted by the CLG, and above all the means to reach them, were shared by a notable percentage of the Serbian public opinion.

“Just as Martić shelled Zagreb, we will do the same to Priština. Since the Shiptars (derogatory term for Kosovo Albanians) have reproduced like rabbits, they will die like rabbits. There will be no survivors.


Kalashnikov Neandertals!

What are Serbian authorities doing to prevent the war propaganda this time?
Where is the peaceful Kostunica clan hiding these days?
This shows clearly the difference between the Czar Lazar G. and the ANA and one may say also between Serbs and Albanians, while the first ones want to prosecute every single Albanian, the second ones want only to protect them!
... and some are really expecting from Albanians to still live together with Serbs. What a shame.

This Csar Lazar-club is funded by certain Albanian groups, in order to help achieve their goal of independance for Kosovo. Some of the 'leaders' of this group are still in very good relations with the Albanians they are supposed to fight. It's all a big publicity-scam.
For one thing: all Serbs know what good the shelling of ZG brought us in the end. So get these clowns out of sight, investigate their bank accounts and 'properties' in and outside of Kosovo and make sure that these people don't manage to ruin our chances of keeping Kosovo.
Basically it's a bunch of traitors and actors, doing what they are paid for: giving Serbia bad publicity in a period when we are actually achieving something with our negotiating strategy.

Who are they going to fight against KFOR?
Sljiovica Guard is on action. KFOR be careful.
I think this is just preparation of the ground for KFOR forces to move in big numbers in northern part of Kosova without any objection from Serbia population.

Serb posters:
Terrorist are inside your house. What are you going to do about it? How are you going to deal with it?
Are you going to deal same as you have dealt with KLA?

Viva Las Vegas

I think both the guards and the ANA are idiotic with that said the ANA have the high ground.NATO is not trying to stop them inside Kosovo and yet they are telling Srbija to leash the guard.Serbs inside Kosovo need to be protected if and when the albanians and US act unilaterally.Nick Burns a few days ago had the nerve to tell Srbija to not react if they decide to steal Kosovo (yeah right).My main concern is protecting Serbs inside Kosovo.

Albanian National Army can not be put in the sameline with Tsar Lazar's Guard. Albanian National Army is the military structure of the Albanian National Unification Front, that aims to unite all the Albanian territories colonized by Slavic and Greek colonizer and conqueror into a sigle national Albanian state, with the name Albania.It has nothing with the peoples with Slavic or Greek nationality that are living inside the colonial states of Serbia, Greece, "FYROM" or Montenegro. But will not tolerate the colonization of any part of Albanian territory.
To liberate your territories doesn't mean the same thing to conquest them.
The Car Lazar's Guard, (discovered by the intelligence service of the Albanian National Unification Front)represents the Greater Serbia's aggressive politics that aims to conquest and colonize the Albanian territories.
ANA is reacting puerly as a defensive organization to the threats of CLG - ANA has very strong support throughout Kosova and other Albanian lands, and is continuing to grow with every passing day due to such threats

Both sides have extremists...The albanians and the ANA are to be taken more seriously, but I understand the aggrevation the Guard is feeling, Kosovo must not have illegal independence, the days of Srbija being pushed around are over

To all the Serb posters saying that major part of Serbs do not support these annimals.
So was the case with the "Tigers" and you know what they did with that "little" support

Slavko:
As an Albanian I can tell you that Princip is one of the most eloquent and reasonable proponents of the Serb cause in this site(although I never agree with him). And he is proving that right now by condemning this Czar Lazar foolishness. It does not portray you or any Serb in a good light to defend such idiots just because in some crazy way they are "on our side".

Bmrusila: I agree that the ANA is an extremist though still irrelevant organization, with the potential to become dangerous if the situation gets messy. However there is one fundamental difference between the ANA and CLG. The ANA is defensive in nature: it will only fight Serbia if Serbia intervenes militarily. The CLG is...well crazy. No other way to describe it.

When one person non-Serb, non-Albanian listens to this rhetorick can't help but ask him/herself: What the hell?

These people have been the baseground of every government of Serbia in the last 20 years. These people are the ones that scared the rest of the nations away from the Serbian nation. These are the people that start wars. These are the people that Albanians want to get away from. These are the people that any sane person wants to get as far away from as God allows you to.

Where to draw the line here. Freedom of speech is harmful any time it serves purposes like this. Something tells me that for a reason or another this CL group will definitely have people who will nod at their statements or join them in their skinny-head "actions".
They do not only harm Serbia and its image, but the entire Western Balkans, once again to be perceived (and pardon me for agreeing) as a wild bunch of nations who will never deal with each-other in a civilized way, not to forget the negotiations themselves, which just prove how unprepared Serbia is for independence instead of conflict.
These people should not be allowed media attention, but only the willingness of their governments to make them disappear from whatever scene they are jumping on. Some here say that extremists like these are used by politicians for political gains and so on. Not to brag here about ethics, but for God's sake it's 2007, show some human element in whatever you do. Looks like these politicians of Serbia and Kosovo have read nothing else but The Prince.
Oh and as for sending them in Tirana... um u actually did that in 1999, some 600.000. I had never seen people coming from war in my life... but thanks to S.M I now know what war refugees mean from first hand experience.
As a proponent of international law I do like the principle of national sovereignty, and that's EXACTLY what we could talk about here. If you don't know how to deal with minorities, then expect to loose them, that includes territory... And that is part of international law too. In the end, Kosova will be independent not much bcs of theory but because of a very simple fact: Serbs and Albanians of Kosovo have had the chance to live together, since Slavs sett foot in the Balkans some 14 centuries ago. It's about time each goes on his own way, so for once we will say I am from the Balkans, and ppl will not expect me to tell them about bombs and wars.
Just accept the facts guys. Those 2 million people there would rather die, than have a Serbian flag representing them. Is it so hard to understand? Probably CL and its freaks do. In a way or another, even though they represent the extreme line of the whole thing they are much prepared than most Serbian ppl. Not accepting Kosovo independence when time comes, you will legitimize CL and whoever else, bcs you are not ready to accept independence. So deal with these freaks and whoever else who opposes independence in your country, or send the Balkans to war again. We haven't had any these last 15 years.

as far as i know, he said "dirty bomb" not atomic bomb. this in connection with the disapearment of nearly one ton of nuclear waste in the republika srpska makes even myself nervous. dirty bombs don´t divide between serbs and albanians.

both sides will play that card, if they don´t get what they want. this was clear to everybody from the beginning.

that´s why the un sent in january 500 000 tents "for the 150 000 serbs" living in kosovo, as they told to the albanians. and that´s why the usa ordered croatia and montenegro to build refugee camps for kosovars and to not make any trouble with their pseudo-passports.

so, every side is prepared for the most realistic szenario, and b92 is acting as if it´s totally out of the blue, allthough they for themselves reported all of this (un-tents, camp-building order to croatia from the us, disaperment of nuclear waste etc.).

If Serbia stands so much for international law when it comes to the sovereignty of their state, they need to be just as assertive when it comes to international law and their stance towards these extremists. Kostunica as an act of good will or an act of intent in putting his money where his mouth is should personally oversee the disarming and arrest of these people or he will lose Kosovo.

I can't understand the hypocricy stemming from both the Albanian and Serbian posters. To the Albanians, you don't condemn the Albanian militia patrolling the borders, that's OK.
To people like Princip, who's side are you on?

Mel from Brussels
I would say thank you to B92 for telling the trouth about what these people realy say, think and feel. And of course it is not good that "people" feeling this way exist. Even Al Qaeda does not speak with this language to the Americans. How can you expect K-Albanians to accept autonomy
when they know that animals like these ones exist.

obilic,

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B0CE2D6173AF93BA25757C0A9659C8B63&n=Top/Reference/Times%20Topics/Organizations/U/United%20Nations

ana is terrorist, these morons are hot air, and need to be locked up asap for inciting ethnic hatred, or else we're not a real country but a lawless territory like some lawless territories that spring to mind.. :)

The Guard’s ultra-nationalist rhetoric includes statements that every Albanian will be either killed or returned to Albania, while Serbs who don’t agree with their views will also be dealt with.

“Just as Martić shelled Zagreb, we will do the same to Priština. Since the Šiptars [derogatory term for Kosovo Albanians] have reproduced like rabbits, they will die like rabbits. There will be no survivors. God help the Serbian military and police if they try and get in our way. We will view them as the enemy, and we will do to them the same as we’ll do to the Šiptars,” the leader of the group Hadži Andrej Milić said.

Slavko,

As far as I remember all Serbs did condemn ANA organisation which is in my opinion far more dangerous than this Guard. But don't you see these people as Serbian disgrace. They threat to all of us who do not agree with them and their policy. You see, I despise military people who uses the vocabular of threat for own people but for the others too, if not share same values. In this case I do not share same values with them. I do share same values with my government and honoured Army and I will stand to my governmets' decision in Kosovo solution.

“To people like Princip, who's side are you on?
(Slavko, 16. November 2007 15:35)”

Who’s side are you on Slavko? You think the Guard is helping the Serbian cause? Do you really think supporting them is good for our people and our future?

Princip dedicates more time and effort to the Kosovo issue than anyone else here in the Pro-Serb camp. He uses peace and diplomacy as his weapon of choice, not hot air, rhetoric and empty threats. Had people like Princip been in charge in the 1990’s, we would have won the PR war and you know it.

If there is to be war, that is a decision for the government to make, not some weekend warriors. The Czar Lazar Guards are the worst kind of danger to our international reputation and need to be put in their place right away.

I cherish Kosovo and what it means to us, but that does not mean in any way I dislike Albanians or ignore their needs. We must find a PEACEFUL solution that takes into account the desires of both people.

25 comments so far on a bunch of nasty dreamers and it doesn't affect at all the future status of Kosovo and Metohija. These guys are a bunch of losers who dream of making a name for themselves in war to compensate for having no girlfriend and a small manhood.

Lets not debate such an non entity group. It doesn't reflect on Serbs or Albanians. Dreamers exsist everywhere. Its so disappointing that this story gets so many comments when other more relevant and serious stories attract no attention.

And Slavko. You can be ashamed of certain people within our ethnic group and still believe that Kosovo and Metohija is Serb land. Princip is like me in that respect. Its not black and white, us and them.

Hadži Andrej Milić

Hats off to this man.

Reminds me of Slobodans retric and the military of the 90s. WAGE WAR FOR PEACE !

What a shameful bunch of idiots Czar Lazar Guard have become! These types of muppets are the real shame on Serbdom and clearly their rhetoric is like letting off a machine gun right into their own foot for their so called organisation - I can imagine many patriots distancing themselves form such a rant.

Serb patriotism will not allow the partition of the Sovereign and UN recognised Republic of Serbia and equally will not let these few muppets a chance to do any of the sort they suggest. Their so called leader has just ensured his unpopularity with the real patriots that will make the difference.

What is the ANA, KLA & KPC - a bunch of peacekeepers? Oh, I forgot, they're backed by the US, UNMIK, NATO - so they are exempt from being classified as anything other than refugees with UN passports who were displaced.

If this is freedom, who needs it!

Princip,

As with many others, I always read your posts, and value your opinions as being well-considered and well-articulated.

With this one, you're spot-on, but I'm going to expand on it by saying that based on my experiences being here in Serbia for the last year, I'm having trouble believing that patriotism is not going to trump long-term ambition (and by that, I'm referring to EU membership). You're absolutely right in stating that CLG isn't ingratiating itself on any side of the issue, but I think the common sense of the Serb-in-the-street, so to speak, isn't going to let this gang of thugs get very far, in much the same way the ANA isn't going to go very far with their own agenda.

In this case, patriotism and long-term goals do mix, and mix very well. Serbs aren't going to let these goons speak for them.

I really believe that these fools do not represent the Serb people, not even to the same extent the ANA represents the K-Albanians. They both speak for tiny segments of the respective populations and they both are doing more harm than good. It must be said however that it is easier to support the ANA because they are not even close to being as crazy as this Guards or their leader. The ANA while a extremist organization has never used this sort of language about the Serbs or anybody, it has never made such derogatory and threatening statements as the Czar Lazar Guard and the ANA has never threatened to ethnically cleanse Kosova or take it over.
In any case it would be much better if both groups were to disappear or be dealt with by the authorities otherwise they can cause a sea of trouble.

if i understood this pathetic tirade right they're threatening our army and police, i.e., the state of serbia? lol. whatever else that is taking it too far, although its all yapping. bout time for a few nice but determined men in blue to knock on their doors. that methinks is the only inevitable thing here :)

Some of the threats include shelling Priština and NATO bases in Kosovo, using an atomic bomb, and sending hundreds of thousands of volunteers to fight in the province.


This is funniest in all. I just wonder where they gonna find these many people to fight for the bunch of idiots in the name of Serbs. Hey, I am Serb but do not know how suddenly they appeared and who is behind them, but what I certainly know is that these people have no my support neither of majority of Serbs. I personaly do not believe in their power. Perhaps is just a bunch of bored people gathered in one organisation so called Czar Lazar and all they want is someone pay attention on them. I just feel sorry for the name they pick for their Guard dicgarcing such honest historical name such as Czar Lazar.

"Some of the threats include shelling Priština and NATO bases in Kosovo, using an atomic bomb, and sending hundreds of thousands of volunteers to fight in the province."

Um, part of what makes a threat a threat is to sound, oh, I don't know, CREDIBLE?

oh slavko, slavko :)
may i dare to answer for princip, and also for myself as a patriot, on the side of the serb nation and the serb state and on the side of all those who work in its favor, and against those who harm its interests.
how hard is that to understand?

Don't bother to worry about these clowns, they are nothing, just as the cuban militia in Miami that "are just waiting to defeat the Castro army" Why have they waited since 1958 then?

But the real threat against peace is not Czar Lazar guards or Ana, its the KLA:s plans to etnicly cleans the few remaining serbs after december the 10:th. all in the name of ANA...

B92 is right to print this rubbish, as there is a danger that CLG will attract support, just as happened with other extremist leaders. It is good to note that Serbs and Kosovo Albanians alike are not interested in killing innocent people. If CLG really does exist and it tries to attack civlians or police, whether Serb, UNMIK, K-Albanians, they will be elminated by the forces of good.

Some braindead talking rubbish to see himself in the news. Nothing new or uncommon , you find these guys all over.

Milic should get it through his head that this is neither 1912 nor 1999, the game is played in a whole other level now.

As for their threats, i would suggest that next time they come to Kosova they bring an extra shirt, or they catch a cold like they did last time.

"The ANA is defensive in nature" Teni. Please explain to us uneducated "nationalists, extremists" how a terrorist organization occupying Sovereign Serbian territory is only acting in a defensive manner, while the CLG is the "aggressor"! Is Kosovo Serbia or Albania? Is the CLG being defensive or the ANA? The truth is easy to see if the truth is what you are looking for!!!

To Matthew, Princip, and all the other Serbs who share the same ideology. Who doesn't like a peaceful resolution? How far has talking got the Kosovo Serbs,
those internally and externally? If you "true" Serbs follow the media, we bent over backwards talking and proposing. We are willing to grant an autonomy that never existed in a democratic society. What do we get as a rebuttle? Independence from the Albanians and, double standards from the US and the EU. So let's continue talking until we lose everything up to Belgrade.
So wake up, accept the fact that we are the guinea pigs for the new world order!!!!

"This Csar Lazar-club is funded by certain Albanian groups, in order to help achieve their goal of independance for Kosovo."

Prove it! On the other hand, just be a man and say those exact words to Hadži Andrej Milić's face. Also, could you please publicize the date of this event, as we'd all like to see his reaction when you tell him this.

I agree, the Czar Lazar Guard are a bunch of backwards thinking idiots without a rational thought among the lot of them. Yet they are no different from the ANA. Teni, i dont understand how it is always the serbs that are the agressors. Only reason that pointless idiotic war ever occured was because albanians wanted to force people out of their homes, you cant deny that fact. no one can win a war, there are only losers. These idiots suggesting that they will use a nuclear bomb is completely absurd, yet i do not deny the nuclear capabilities of serbia, nor albanians alike. If we want to move forward we must distance our selves from the ANA and CLG.... yet let it be known, the actions of a handful of people cannot be pinned onto a whole popultation.

These groups will always be around aslong as we are. They are the result or years of torment, suffering and pain, and no side was more affected than an other.

I'm sorry to say, but im dead certain that if kosovo is or is not liberated, spastic brain-less no hopers like the ANA and CLG will act. The only hope we have is to meet a common ground. I do support the serbian plan for autonomy, as it both allows serbs to hold onto kosovo as they deserve, yet it also offers kosovo to be independent politically from serbia. Serbia has given in to demands and it has compromised... but you all deep down know that the independence of kosovo will only lead to bloodshed and a world of trouble for other countries in the same situation.

People are people, they have rights, doesn't matter whether they are serbian or albanian. we both bleed. We all want to be heard, but we cant try to all talk at the same time... we must meet on common grounds and both compromise in order to prevail and progress as people.

First and foremost, I must say I’m disappointed the Albanian camp here doesn’t condemn ANA as much as the Serbian camp here condemned CLG. ANA IS dangerous, they are armed and patrolling the streets and stopping people. I consider them FAR MORE dangerous, if only for the fact that it seems they have the support of the Albanian posters here. The CLG are mostly a joke, they talk big, but they aren’t capable of really doing anything, and they are far too public to get away with something. They will easily be rounded up if they actually tried something. ANA is pretty secretive, on the ground in Kosovo, and have access to weapons and carry them. The Kosovo Albanians have NATO to protect them, they have no need for a “defensive” force there. If anything, after 2004, it’s the Serbs that would need defensive protection since NATO seems incapable of actually protecting our people, let alone even admitting there’s a problem.

Slavko,

“How far has talking got the Kosovo Serbs,
those internally and externally?”

Actually the current Serbian government so far as been remarkably successful in getting their message across. I think we have a good chance at a real compromise solution as long as we stay focused on our message in a positive way. If the CLG were to act like ANA, wearing masks, stopping people at gunpoint, etc, we would probably lose ALL the good will from those countries on the fence about Kosovo right now. Milosevic used those sorts of tactics, and that is exactly why we are in the current situation.

Just take a look at Croatia as an example. They butchered the Bosniaks, they destroyed Mostar, they completely ethnically cleansed Krajina, yet came out smelling like roses. The Tudjman government understood the importance of Public Relations and crafting a good public image.

Slavko, people like me and Princip and the others are just as concerned about the fate of Kosovo as you are. We’re angry too. Use your head man, supporting groups like the CLG gains us NOTHING except to maybe express some anger, and that is just counter productive.

My wife’s family were ethnically cleansed from Krajina, trust me I understand your anger at the way our people have been treated. The things our people endured just makes my blood boil. However, we can not make the same mistakes we did in the past.

“accept the fact that we are the guinea pigs for the new world order!!!!”

You are absolutely correct, Yugoslavia and the non-aligned movement needed to be removed from the scene in order for the rest of Eastern Europe to gravitate towards the EU more efficiently. However, nothing you’ve suggested, or the CLG, would change this. Have you learned nothing from the past two decades?