Serbian minority in Kosova is not showing enough responsibility to claim their position in this case and a group without a voice doesn't deserve an option. A self-imposed silence is a chosen fate that cannot be an element of consideration.
Clean Cut
Ok, now you think Serbs do not deserve to be treated well becuse they are silent and not involved in political life in Kosovo, in another words this means that those who boycot do not deserve to be treated nice. Here we come to conclusion that Serbs are doing now just what you Albanians did at the end of 80's and in 90's. According your opinion Serbs were doing right thing by ignoring you Albanians and your needs. That is trully nice to know and feel less guilty. Thank you for acknowledging this. As for Presevo Valley let me tell you only this that Presevo Valley wont get any special status as Kosovo wont get anything more than some type of wider autonomy. So, this means no unity with Albania. But as I said it nice when someone here like you (in my opinion you are not any different of ANA character or CLG) reveal true aspirations of Kosovo Albanians and what is the real Kosovo policy.
No seriously did he graduate from UOB? He seems like a fresh face coming out of a prestige college, maybe they still have a picture of their best student, you know, Agim Ceku? What a nice whippersnapper, new ideas, bright, he feels confident and positive, he's hoping to make a change, all because the propaganda that he's heard.
This guy makes me laugh, I don't know how they let him do anything serious, everything he says is...unsatisfactory, not only to me, but to all Kosovar-Serbs. The local Serbs need to vote so that they can elect real leaders, not teenagers.
Ahtisaari Plan is still the best option ever brought to the table that will stabilize the whole Balkan Peninsula and also stabilise relations between Albanians and Serbs everywhere in the world.
But I personally think that it is the wrong way to go, because the Serbian minority in Kosova is not showing enough responsibility to claim their position in this case and a group without a voice doesn't deserve an option. A self-imposed silence is a chosen fate that cannot be an element of consideration.
"As a sports fanatic, I have to say that this process reminds me of a basketball game."
Well even though my predictions for the outcome of the match might not be the same as Uran's, I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who's beginning to see this whole ordeal as some football/basketball grudge match :)
As a sports fanatic, I have to say that this process reminds me of a basketball game. It is Kosovo playing against Serbia in Belgrade…Kosovo has been leading for 8 years now, but somehow Serbia trades Russian players in the last minute and manages to stay in the game. While Russian players are making some tough shots from the outside, Kosovo’s coach is on the phone with Boston Celtics, LA Lakers, Miami Heat and of course Washington Wizards…the promised help is on the way! Fans are shocked…the game is entering the 8th OT…BUT…the best part about this game is that there is no tie…there is no WIN-WIN outcome…it can only be one winner…
And as expected Kosovo wins the game and establishes street cred around the world, while Serbia but mostly its tired fans are happy to be a part of EuroBasket…
Ladies and Gentlemen let’s take a short commercial break…
"... but just because the precedent would cost too much in repercussions!"
It's becoming more and more of an unavoidable issue, isn't it Kate? Personally, I'd like to see neither RS, nor Kosovo break away. The best solution, from an international point of view is maintain stability. But that doesn't seem to be the case here. Hence, the question everyone is thinking, but no one is asking is thus: "How will Kosovo not set a precedence and a guide to self-determination for numerous other troubled spots around the world - including Belgium and Great Britain?" I can only hope the appointed officials of the Troika, and even more so the international eggheads at the UN realize this and not think we've reached "peace in our time" after Kosovo.
Kosovo is a part as FRY as stated in resolution 1244 is not an obstacle since Serbia is legal succeeder of FRY. EU knows it well and that is the reason why they hesitate to recognise Kosovo and that is the reason why there is negotiation with Serbia and therfore asked form Serbia, otherwise Kosovo would be already independent. There is some so called international law, you know!
10 December dealine for talks ageed by all EU and US.
(Olf, 16. November 2007 11:56)
I totally agree with you Olf, after 10th december a final decision should be made. NO INDEPENDECE FOR KOSOVO-METOHIJA !!!
The US will continue with their plan to ruin their own economy, namely to start a new war against Iran, and then its more important to get Russia and China not to support Iran than to get their vetoes withdrawn for Kosovo independece...
Please answer me this:
do you really think that Kosovo is more important to the americans than a war against Iran?
"Mike - I think you may be right but I don't believe that they will go against the sovereignty outlined in Resolution 1244."
Let me remind what res. 1244 says: “Kosova is part of FRY”, now question is WHERE IS FRY?. As FRY doesn’t exist Kosova is free, meaning already independent, only to wait for international recognition.
Swede:
In 1990 if I am not mistaken the people of Kosova declared Kosova a republic within the federation and not a separate state. And in any case Kosova at the time was under the control of the Serb police and army.
This time around when Kosova declares independence there are no Serb policemen and soldiers to do anything and NATO will not allow them to do anything; Burns was clear on that. The US and many in the EU support us which wasn't the case in the early 1990s, so it is a very different situation.
Even if Kosova is not recognized now by declaring independence we are forcing the International Community to face up to a new reality which does not entail any Serb rule over Kosova in any shape whatsoever.
The only serious worry for all Albanians now is the possibility of partition, but not independence because that is nonnegotiable and no one is gonna force us to give up on that.
True enough statement but its not as if we didnt know it would play out this way.
Anybody with the remotest knowledge of diplomacy and negotiation knows that it does not help if one of the parties believes / knows that if they do not negotiate they will get what they want anyway. That is no way to hold negotiations.
Mika, thats rather a silly statement to make. Jeremic was studing in the US and leading OTPOR activities in England opposing Milosevic's activities.
Thus I'd say that Jeremic has a good a right as anybody to talk about Kosovo or any other subject for that matter.
Or perhaps you are one of those wierd ethnicists - guilt by ethnic group. If so I wonder how you justify Germans running the show in Kosovo on account of their all being guilty (by ethnic group) for WW2.
Far better to look at it from an individual perspective, not a primative ethnic collective.
Teni - "As far as K-Albanians are concerned the talks are stalled but the process is not because we will simply go ahead with our declaration of independence. So for us things are actually moving ahead."
I dont think Serbia is worried to mutch about Kosovo declaring independance, it did so in 1990 without things "moving ahead" for the albanians. In the end it will only matter what Eu countries and Kosovo neighbours do when it comes. And in my opinion im not convinced it will be an unified answer...
Wich surely will lead for more trouble in the region if thats the case.
After Kosova’s Independence I would suggest you go in front of Serbian public with the posting like that just to find out what could happen. The only ones maybe applauding would be the current politicians, housewife’s and pensioners. In fact the current politicians would give you the medal of the Obedient citizen. There are few more in herei.e.Princip, Kate, Jovan,Ron,Cvele ... that would qualify for the medal of Obedient citizen but they are staying away form this article.
I propose to all Serbian posters read what Mr.Kovacevic has to say in the article “Political elite following Milošević’s example".
All signs point to the EU coming in and making a series of executive decisions post December 10 that will be seen to be ammenable to both sides. That means something along the line of administrative separation of Kosovo from Serbia, but in all likelihood the de facto presence of an EU mission in Pristina as an executive overseer. With talks of "neutral status" being flotated around, I wouldn't be surprised if we haven't seen the last of Ahtisaari Plus.
I wonder where was your concern about European values Mr. Jeremić , in time when state you represent violated with every written and unwritten human right ??Shouldn't someone ( anyone ) in Serbian Government come with a clear statetment adressed to Serbian opinion explaining what terible crimes were commited in name of Serbian people ? Shouldn't someone explain to them how Serbian forces broke every single Law made by humans or by God ? Saying that terible things done by Serbians are responsibility of previouse Government ( Milošević ) , does that make you feel innocent in this matter ? How would you feel when you hear butcher talking about human rights ? Would you force raped woman to live under same roof with man who raped her ?
Those are only SOME of the questions you should think about !
Mr Jeremic, it takes two for tango. We offered everything possible and as we predicted, the other side refused everything they were offered as ususal. The strategy that the other side uses has not changed in 100 years. We learnt long time ago thath they don't know how to negotiate. It is easy to obstruct negotiations when backed by some so called world force. We did everything that it was up to us. If EU decide to support USA in this game it will be their responsibility for future mess. If international law is breached once then such law is not in use any more. In this case the world gets lawlessness which can be interpreted in many ways by many nations and Serbia as one of those nations will act according to own interests.
There is nothing new minister, as if you didn’t know this earlier. What happened to the statement that you deceive Pricnip, Kate, Jovan etc by saying that you have the upper hand and that negotiations are progressing the way Serbia wanted.
Than Mr. minister you say” and that’s a very un-European way of doing things,” but, can you tell me what makes Serbia so European, what is so European in Serbia. Certainly not the living standard of the Serbia people nor the treatment of minorities ...
Mr. Jeremic, your time is up. You, Kostunica and the entire government should leave since you have abused, lied enough your people. Probably all of you have made plenty of money, Milosevic style, and now will live in Croatian Riviera happy.
Princip, Kate, Jovan, Ron, Cvele etc, do you feel deceived. What would you recommend to your(Serb) Minister and Prime Minister? Or maybe, lets have coup of coffee and accept this as part of a game where one looses and the other one wins, this is natural process nothing we can do about it.
10 December dealine for talks ageed by all EU and US.
I agree with you! If by 10th Dec there is hope of a solution being agreed that would be acceptable to population of Kosovo (we- the population of Kosovo know what that means), then yeah the talks should conitune a little bit longer to sort out the details of the agreement.
But if there is no hope in hell of reaching an agreement acceptable to the population of Kosovo, than I am afraid 10th of Dec is the end of negotiations.
As far as K-Albanians are concerned the talks are stalled but the process is not because we will simply go ahead with our declaration of independence. So for us things are actually moving ahead. Burns confirmed the US position yesterday, most EU countries are making it clear that whether they like it or not there is no alternative to independence. Furthermore whoever wins the elections in Kosova will win a mandate to declare independence and they will have to do so. After all in a democracy, albeit a young and imperfect one, politicians must do what their electorate demands of them. So things are looking up.
Well, Mr. Jeremic, I think the time is up, enough is enough as George W. Bush said once. "Kosova ought to be independent sooner rather than later...". That is the wish of at least 2 million Kosovar people and we are now in the 21 century and the political will of Kosovar people must be respected.
I don't think that Serbia can do anything to stop Kosova's independence. If Serbia tries to destabilize or cause problems, this will be too bad for Serbia's future in European Union and for the serbian people... You have got to understand that hegemony will lead you nowhere...
Vive la liberte Mr. Jeremic, didn't you learn this at Harvard???
Well, Mr. Jeremic, I think the time is up, enough is enough as George W. Bush said once. "Kosova ought to be independent sooner rather than later...". That is the wish of at least 2 million Kosovar people and we are now in the 21 century and the political will of Kosovar people must be respected.
I don't think that Serbia can do anything to stop Kosova's independence. If Serbia tries to destabilize or cause problems, this will be too bad for Serbia's future in European Union and for the serbian people... You have got to understand that hegemony will lead you nowhere...
Vive la liberte Mr. Jeremic, didn't you learn this at Harvard???
I wonder where was your concern about European values Mr. Jeremić , in time when state you represent violated with every written and unwritten human right ??Shouldn't someone ( anyone ) in Serbian Government come with a clear statetment adressed to Serbian opinion explaining what terible crimes were commited in name of Serbian people ? Shouldn't someone explain to them how Serbian forces broke every single Law made by humans or by God ? Saying that terible things done by Serbians are responsibility of previouse Government ( Milošević ) , does that make you feel innocent in this matter ? How would you feel when you hear butcher talking about human rights ? Would you force raped woman to live under same roof with man who raped her ?
Those are only SOME of the questions you should think about !
As far as K-Albanians are concerned the talks are stalled but the process is not because we will simply go ahead with our declaration of independence. So for us things are actually moving ahead. Burns confirmed the US position yesterday, most EU countries are making it clear that whether they like it or not there is no alternative to independence. Furthermore whoever wins the elections in Kosova will win a mandate to declare independence and they will have to do so. After all in a democracy, albeit a young and imperfect one, politicians must do what their electorate demands of them. So things are looking up.
I agree with you! If by 10th Dec there is hope of a solution being agreed that would be acceptable to population of Kosovo (we- the population of Kosovo know what that means), then yeah the talks should conitune a little bit longer to sort out the details of the agreement.
But if there is no hope in hell of reaching an agreement acceptable to the population of Kosovo, than I am afraid 10th of Dec is the end of negotiations.
Mr Jeremic, it takes two for tango. We offered everything possible and as we predicted, the other side refused everything they were offered as ususal. The strategy that the other side uses has not changed in 100 years. We learnt long time ago thath they don't know how to negotiate. It is easy to obstruct negotiations when backed by some so called world force. We did everything that it was up to us. If EU decide to support USA in this game it will be their responsibility for future mess. If international law is breached once then such law is not in use any more. In this case the world gets lawlessness which can be interpreted in many ways by many nations and Serbia as one of those nations will act according to own interests.
Swede:
In 1990 if I am not mistaken the people of Kosova declared Kosova a republic within the federation and not a separate state. And in any case Kosova at the time was under the control of the Serb police and army.
This time around when Kosova declares independence there are no Serb policemen and soldiers to do anything and NATO will not allow them to do anything; Burns was clear on that. The US and many in the EU support us which wasn't the case in the early 1990s, so it is a very different situation.
Even if Kosova is not recognized now by declaring independence we are forcing the International Community to face up to a new reality which does not entail any Serb rule over Kosova in any shape whatsoever.
The only serious worry for all Albanians now is the possibility of partition, but not independence because that is nonnegotiable and no one is gonna force us to give up on that.
Kosovo is a part as FRY as stated in resolution 1244 is not an obstacle since Serbia is legal succeeder of FRY. EU knows it well and that is the reason why they hesitate to recognise Kosovo and that is the reason why there is negotiation with Serbia and therfore asked form Serbia, otherwise Kosovo would be already independent. There is some so called international law, you know!
After Kosova’s Independence I would suggest you go in front of Serbian public with the posting like that just to find out what could happen. The only ones maybe applauding would be the current politicians, housewife’s and pensioners. In fact the current politicians would give you the medal of the Obedient citizen. There are few more in herei.e.Princip, Kate, Jovan,Ron,Cvele ... that would qualify for the medal of Obedient citizen but they are staying away form this article.
I propose to all Serbian posters read what Mr.Kovacevic has to say in the article “Political elite following Milošević’s example".
There is nothing new minister, as if you didn’t know this earlier. What happened to the statement that you deceive Pricnip, Kate, Jovan etc by saying that you have the upper hand and that negotiations are progressing the way Serbia wanted.
Than Mr. minister you say” and that’s a very un-European way of doing things,” but, can you tell me what makes Serbia so European, what is so European in Serbia. Certainly not the living standard of the Serbia people nor the treatment of minorities ...
Mr. Jeremic, your time is up. You, Kostunica and the entire government should leave since you have abused, lied enough your people. Probably all of you have made plenty of money, Milosevic style, and now will live in Croatian Riviera happy.
Princip, Kate, Jovan, Ron, Cvele etc, do you feel deceived. What would you recommend to your(Serb) Minister and Prime Minister? Or maybe, lets have coup of coffee and accept this as part of a game where one looses and the other one wins, this is natural process nothing we can do about it.
10 December dealine for talks ageed by all EU and US.
Teni - "As far as K-Albanians are concerned the talks are stalled but the process is not because we will simply go ahead with our declaration of independence. So for us things are actually moving ahead."
I dont think Serbia is worried to mutch about Kosovo declaring independance, it did so in 1990 without things "moving ahead" for the albanians. In the end it will only matter what Eu countries and Kosovo neighbours do when it comes. And in my opinion im not convinced it will be an unified answer...
Wich surely will lead for more trouble in the region if thats the case.
Serbian minority in Kosova is not showing enough responsibility to claim their position in this case and a group without a voice doesn't deserve an option. A self-imposed silence is a chosen fate that cannot be an element of consideration.
Clean Cut
Ok, now you think Serbs do not deserve to be treated well becuse they are silent and not involved in political life in Kosovo, in another words this means that those who boycot do not deserve to be treated nice. Here we come to conclusion that Serbs are doing now just what you Albanians did at the end of 80's and in 90's. According your opinion Serbs were doing right thing by ignoring you Albanians and your needs. That is trully nice to know and feel less guilty. Thank you for acknowledging this. As for Presevo Valley let me tell you only this that Presevo Valley wont get any special status as Kosovo wont get anything more than some type of wider autonomy. So, this means no unity with Albania. But as I said it nice when someone here like you (in my opinion you are not any different of ANA character or CLG) reveal true aspirations of Kosovo Albanians and what is the real Kosovo policy.
True enough statement but its not as if we didnt know it would play out this way.
Anybody with the remotest knowledge of diplomacy and negotiation knows that it does not help if one of the parties believes / knows that if they do not negotiate they will get what they want anyway. That is no way to hold negotiations.
Mika, thats rather a silly statement to make. Jeremic was studing in the US and leading OTPOR activities in England opposing Milosevic's activities.
Thus I'd say that Jeremic has a good a right as anybody to talk about Kosovo or any other subject for that matter.
Or perhaps you are one of those wierd ethnicists - guilt by ethnic group. If so I wonder how you justify Germans running the show in Kosovo on account of their all being guilty (by ethnic group) for WW2.
Far better to look at it from an individual perspective, not a primative ethnic collective.
10 December dealine for talks ageed by all EU and US.
(Olf, 16. November 2007 11:56)
I totally agree with you Olf, after 10th december a final decision should be made. NO INDEPENDECE FOR KOSOVO-METOHIJA !!!
The US will continue with their plan to ruin their own economy, namely to start a new war against Iran, and then its more important to get Russia and China not to support Iran than to get their vetoes withdrawn for Kosovo independece...
Please answer me this:
do you really think that Kosovo is more important to the americans than a war against Iran?
"Mike - I think you may be right but I don't believe that they will go against the sovereignty outlined in Resolution 1244."
Let me remind what res. 1244 says: “Kosova is part of FRY”, now question is WHERE IS FRY?. As FRY doesn’t exist Kosova is free, meaning already independent, only to wait for international recognition.
All signs point to the EU coming in and making a series of executive decisions post December 10 that will be seen to be ammenable to both sides. That means something along the line of administrative separation of Kosovo from Serbia, but in all likelihood the de facto presence of an EU mission in Pristina as an executive overseer. With talks of "neutral status" being flotated around, I wouldn't be surprised if we haven't seen the last of Ahtisaari Plus.
As a sports fanatic, I have to say that this process reminds me of a basketball game. It is Kosovo playing against Serbia in Belgrade…Kosovo has been leading for 8 years now, but somehow Serbia trades Russian players in the last minute and manages to stay in the game. While Russian players are making some tough shots from the outside, Kosovo’s coach is on the phone with Boston Celtics, LA Lakers, Miami Heat and of course Washington Wizards…the promised help is on the way! Fans are shocked…the game is entering the 8th OT…BUT…the best part about this game is that there is no tie…there is no WIN-WIN outcome…it can only be one winner…
And as expected Kosovo wins the game and establishes street cred around the world, while Serbia but mostly its tired fans are happy to be a part of EuroBasket…
Ladies and Gentlemen let’s take a short commercial break…
Ahtisaari Plan is still the best option ever brought to the table that will stabilize the whole Balkan Peninsula and also stabilise relations between Albanians and Serbs everywhere in the world.
But I personally think that it is the wrong way to go, because the Serbian minority in Kosova is not showing enough responsibility to claim their position in this case and a group without a voice doesn't deserve an option. A self-imposed silence is a chosen fate that cannot be an element of consideration.
"... but just because the precedent would cost too much in repercussions!"
It's becoming more and more of an unavoidable issue, isn't it Kate? Personally, I'd like to see neither RS, nor Kosovo break away. The best solution, from an international point of view is maintain stability. But that doesn't seem to be the case here. Hence, the question everyone is thinking, but no one is asking is thus: "How will Kosovo not set a precedence and a guide to self-determination for numerous other troubled spots around the world - including Belgium and Great Britain?" I can only hope the appointed officials of the Troika, and even more so the international eggheads at the UN realize this and not think we've reached "peace in our time" after Kosovo.
No seriously did he graduate from UOB? He seems like a fresh face coming out of a prestige college, maybe they still have a picture of their best student, you know, Agim Ceku? What a nice whippersnapper, new ideas, bright, he feels confident and positive, he's hoping to make a change, all because the propaganda that he's heard.
This guy makes me laugh, I don't know how they let him do anything serious, everything he says is...unsatisfactory, not only to me, but to all Kosovar-Serbs. The local Serbs need to vote so that they can elect real leaders, not teenagers.
"As a sports fanatic, I have to say that this process reminds me of a basketball game."
Well even though my predictions for the outcome of the match might not be the same as Uran's, I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who's beginning to see this whole ordeal as some football/basketball grudge match :)
Well, Mr. Jeremic, I think the time is up, enough is enough as George W. Bush said once. "Kosova ought to be independent sooner rather than later...". That is the wish of at least 2 million Kosovar people and we are now in the 21 century and the political will of Kosovar people must be respected.
I don't think that Serbia can do anything to stop Kosova's independence. If Serbia tries to destabilize or cause problems, this will be too bad for Serbia's future in European Union and for the serbian people... You have got to understand that hegemony will lead you nowhere...
Vive la liberte Mr. Jeremic, didn't you learn this at Harvard???
Mr Jeremic, it takes two for tango. We offered everything possible and as we predicted, the other side refused everything they were offered as ususal. The strategy that the other side uses has not changed in 100 years. We learnt long time ago thath they don't know how to negotiate. It is easy to obstruct negotiations when backed by some so called world force. We did everything that it was up to us. If EU decide to support USA in this game it will be their responsibility for future mess. If international law is breached once then such law is not in use any more. In this case the world gets lawlessness which can be interpreted in many ways by many nations and Serbia as one of those nations will act according to own interests.
There is nothing new minister, as if you didn’t know this earlier. What happened to the statement that you deceive Pricnip, Kate, Jovan etc by saying that you have the upper hand and that negotiations are progressing the way Serbia wanted.
Than Mr. minister you say” and that’s a very un-European way of doing things,” but, can you tell me what makes Serbia so European, what is so European in Serbia. Certainly not the living standard of the Serbia people nor the treatment of minorities ...
Mr. Jeremic, your time is up. You, Kostunica and the entire government should leave since you have abused, lied enough your people. Probably all of you have made plenty of money, Milosevic style, and now will live in Croatian Riviera happy.
Princip, Kate, Jovan, Ron, Cvele etc, do you feel deceived. What would you recommend to your(Serb) Minister and Prime Minister? Or maybe, lets have coup of coffee and accept this as part of a game where one looses and the other one wins, this is natural process nothing we can do about it.
10 December dealine for talks ageed by all EU and US.
I wonder where was your concern about European values Mr. Jeremić , in time when state you represent violated with every written and unwritten human right ??Shouldn't someone ( anyone ) in Serbian Government come with a clear statetment adressed to Serbian opinion explaining what terible crimes were commited in name of Serbian people ? Shouldn't someone explain to them how Serbian forces broke every single Law made by humans or by God ? Saying that terible things done by Serbians are responsibility of previouse Government ( Milošević ) , does that make you feel innocent in this matter ? How would you feel when you hear butcher talking about human rights ? Would you force raped woman to live under same roof with man who raped her ?
Those are only SOME of the questions you should think about !
As far as K-Albanians are concerned the talks are stalled but the process is not because we will simply go ahead with our declaration of independence. So for us things are actually moving ahead. Burns confirmed the US position yesterday, most EU countries are making it clear that whether they like it or not there is no alternative to independence. Furthermore whoever wins the elections in Kosova will win a mandate to declare independence and they will have to do so. After all in a democracy, albeit a young and imperfect one, politicians must do what their electorate demands of them. So things are looking up.
I agree with you! If by 10th Dec there is hope of a solution being agreed that would be acceptable to population of Kosovo (we- the population of Kosovo know what that means), then yeah the talks should conitune a little bit longer to sort out the details of the agreement.
But if there is no hope in hell of reaching an agreement acceptable to the population of Kosovo, than I am afraid 10th of Dec is the end of negotiations.
After Kosova’s Independence I would suggest you go in front of Serbian public with the posting like that just to find out what could happen. The only ones maybe applauding would be the current politicians, housewife’s and pensioners. In fact the current politicians would give you the medal of the Obedient citizen. There are few more in herei.e.Princip, Kate, Jovan,Ron,Cvele ... that would qualify for the medal of Obedient citizen but they are staying away form this article.
I propose to all Serbian posters read what Mr.Kovacevic has to say in the article “Political elite following Milošević’s example".
"Mike - I think you may be right but I don't believe that they will go against the sovereignty outlined in Resolution 1244."
Let me remind what res. 1244 says: “Kosova is part of FRY”, now question is WHERE IS FRY?. As FRY doesn’t exist Kosova is free, meaning already independent, only to wait for international recognition.
Swede:
In 1990 if I am not mistaken the people of Kosova declared Kosova a republic within the federation and not a separate state. And in any case Kosova at the time was under the control of the Serb police and army.
This time around when Kosova declares independence there are no Serb policemen and soldiers to do anything and NATO will not allow them to do anything; Burns was clear on that. The US and many in the EU support us which wasn't the case in the early 1990s, so it is a very different situation.
Even if Kosova is not recognized now by declaring independence we are forcing the International Community to face up to a new reality which does not entail any Serb rule over Kosova in any shape whatsoever.
The only serious worry for all Albanians now is the possibility of partition, but not independence because that is nonnegotiable and no one is gonna force us to give up on that.
Ahtisaari Plan is still the best option ever brought to the table that will stabilize the whole Balkan Peninsula and also stabilise relations between Albanians and Serbs everywhere in the world.
But I personally think that it is the wrong way to go, because the Serbian minority in Kosova is not showing enough responsibility to claim their position in this case and a group without a voice doesn't deserve an option. A self-imposed silence is a chosen fate that cannot be an element of consideration.
All signs point to the EU coming in and making a series of executive decisions post December 10 that will be seen to be ammenable to both sides. That means something along the line of administrative separation of Kosovo from Serbia, but in all likelihood the de facto presence of an EU mission in Pristina as an executive overseer. With talks of "neutral status" being flotated around, I wouldn't be surprised if we haven't seen the last of Ahtisaari Plus.
True enough statement but its not as if we didnt know it would play out this way.
Anybody with the remotest knowledge of diplomacy and negotiation knows that it does not help if one of the parties believes / knows that if they do not negotiate they will get what they want anyway. That is no way to hold negotiations.
Mika, thats rather a silly statement to make. Jeremic was studing in the US and leading OTPOR activities in England opposing Milosevic's activities.
Thus I'd say that Jeremic has a good a right as anybody to talk about Kosovo or any other subject for that matter.
Or perhaps you are one of those wierd ethnicists - guilt by ethnic group. If so I wonder how you justify Germans running the show in Kosovo on account of their all being guilty (by ethnic group) for WW2.
Far better to look at it from an individual perspective, not a primative ethnic collective.
Teni - "As far as K-Albanians are concerned the talks are stalled but the process is not because we will simply go ahead with our declaration of independence. So for us things are actually moving ahead."
I dont think Serbia is worried to mutch about Kosovo declaring independance, it did so in 1990 without things "moving ahead" for the albanians. In the end it will only matter what Eu countries and Kosovo neighbours do when it comes. And in my opinion im not convinced it will be an unified answer...
Wich surely will lead for more trouble in the region if thats the case.
Kosovo is a part as FRY as stated in resolution 1244 is not an obstacle since Serbia is legal succeeder of FRY. EU knows it well and that is the reason why they hesitate to recognise Kosovo and that is the reason why there is negotiation with Serbia and therfore asked form Serbia, otherwise Kosovo would be already independent. There is some so called international law, you know!
10 December dealine for talks ageed by all EU and US.
(Olf, 16. November 2007 11:56)
I totally agree with you Olf, after 10th december a final decision should be made. NO INDEPENDECE FOR KOSOVO-METOHIJA !!!
The US will continue with their plan to ruin their own economy, namely to start a new war against Iran, and then its more important to get Russia and China not to support Iran than to get their vetoes withdrawn for Kosovo independece...
Please answer me this:
do you really think that Kosovo is more important to the americans than a war against Iran?
"... but just because the precedent would cost too much in repercussions!"
It's becoming more and more of an unavoidable issue, isn't it Kate? Personally, I'd like to see neither RS, nor Kosovo break away. The best solution, from an international point of view is maintain stability. But that doesn't seem to be the case here. Hence, the question everyone is thinking, but no one is asking is thus: "How will Kosovo not set a precedence and a guide to self-determination for numerous other troubled spots around the world - including Belgium and Great Britain?" I can only hope the appointed officials of the Troika, and even more so the international eggheads at the UN realize this and not think we've reached "peace in our time" after Kosovo.
As a sports fanatic, I have to say that this process reminds me of a basketball game. It is Kosovo playing against Serbia in Belgrade…Kosovo has been leading for 8 years now, but somehow Serbia trades Russian players in the last minute and manages to stay in the game. While Russian players are making some tough shots from the outside, Kosovo’s coach is on the phone with Boston Celtics, LA Lakers, Miami Heat and of course Washington Wizards…the promised help is on the way! Fans are shocked…the game is entering the 8th OT…BUT…the best part about this game is that there is no tie…there is no WIN-WIN outcome…it can only be one winner…
And as expected Kosovo wins the game and establishes street cred around the world, while Serbia but mostly its tired fans are happy to be a part of EuroBasket…
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"As a sports fanatic, I have to say that this process reminds me of a basketball game."
Well even though my predictions for the outcome of the match might not be the same as Uran's, I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who's beginning to see this whole ordeal as some football/basketball grudge match :)
No seriously did he graduate from UOB? He seems like a fresh face coming out of a prestige college, maybe they still have a picture of their best student, you know, Agim Ceku? What a nice whippersnapper, new ideas, bright, he feels confident and positive, he's hoping to make a change, all because the propaganda that he's heard.
This guy makes me laugh, I don't know how they let him do anything serious, everything he says is...unsatisfactory, not only to me, but to all Kosovar-Serbs. The local Serbs need to vote so that they can elect real leaders, not teenagers.
Serbian minority in Kosova is not showing enough responsibility to claim their position in this case and a group without a voice doesn't deserve an option. A self-imposed silence is a chosen fate that cannot be an element of consideration.
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Ok, now you think Serbs do not deserve to be treated well becuse they are silent and not involved in political life in Kosovo, in another words this means that those who boycot do not deserve to be treated nice. Here we come to conclusion that Serbs are doing now just what you Albanians did at the end of 80's and in 90's. According your opinion Serbs were doing right thing by ignoring you Albanians and your needs. That is trully nice to know and feel less guilty. Thank you for acknowledging this. As for Presevo Valley let me tell you only this that Presevo Valley wont get any special status as Kosovo wont get anything more than some type of wider autonomy. So, this means no unity with Albania. But as I said it nice when someone here like you (in my opinion you are not any different of ANA character or CLG) reveal true aspirations of Kosovo Albanians and what is the real Kosovo policy.
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