I have a question for you.
Did NATO and US had approval from UN SC when they bombed Serbia in 1999? I didn't think so!
Same thing will happen again. No need for any stupid resolution to accept Kosovo's independence. Do you think NAO troops are controled by UN? hmmm, I think not.
Here is the thing... If US wants to do something then there is no way that someone can stop it including Russia or China or whoever else might be.
(Eagle, 16. November 2007 17:24)"
Eagle,
You need to be better informed about history. Let me enlighten you.
Nato attacked Serbia and Montenegro without UN approval .... and then had to plead for a UN resolution at the end.... the Chinese, whose embassy in Belgrade was bombed, insisted on compensation (which the US later meekly paid US$28 million to Beijing and US$4.2 million to the Chinese victims' families) and insisted on the clause in 1244 respecting Belgrade's sovereignty ..... yes, my dear Eagle, this was how that clause in 1244 came about and which Burns now tried to evade.
The Nato countries accepted the Chinese demands because they were actually desperate to end the war .... they had military power as you said .... but their own people were becoming increasing horrified at the civilian casualties in Yugoslavia from the Nato bombs (which Nato tried at first to gloss over under the fanciful term "collateral damage). The Nato governments in Europe then knew that they had to end the war soon if they don't want disquiet growing to unmanageable proportions among their own people who elected them.
So yes, you are right that they bombed Serbia without first getting UN approval ... and then had to beg the UN for a resolution to end the war.
No need for UN resolution or membership for Kosovo? No need for recognition as an independent country? Why don't you ask Pristina whether they agree with you?
Stop kidding yourself. UN membership is the ultimate confirmation of nationhood and independence. Don't believe me? Just look at Taiwan. They are already an advanced and thriving economy (which Kosovo is NOT by the way) and yet they yearn for UN membership.
"Pyrros" for you http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gjergj_Kastriot
I have the stamp of vatican Kastrioti teh Prince of Epir and Macedonia- but you would say the Vatican is ignorant and stealing your coulture too. Epir=Shqiperi
"Burns conveniently overlooked the fact that Nato is in Kosovo under the mandate of 1244 which recognizes Belgrade's sovereignty. Any Nato enforcement of an independent Kosovo without a UN resolution would therefore be a fragrant violation of 1244 ie. Nato would then be acting ILLEGALLY as far as the UN is concerned"
I have a question for you.
Did NATO and US had approval from UN SC when they bombed Serbia in 1999? I didn't think so!
Same thing will happen again. No need for any stupid resolution to accept Kosovo's independence. Do you think NAO troops are controled by UN? hmmm, I think not.
Here is the thing... If US wants to do something then there is no way that someone can stop it including Russia or China or whoever else might be.
Ben, the fact that you constantly try to steal other people's history is not my problem.
Its yours.
Pyrros spoke greek, wrote greek,
his name comes from pyr (fire),
and ancient indoeuropean word,
all scripts in dodona are in greek.
Not to mention Apolonia and half of todays "alabania"
(the word you seem to prefer).
Pyrros: stop using Alabanian name as your nick-name. Epiri is the lend of Epeve-Ipeve-Shqipeve it's the eagles land-SHQIPERIA, it's ALBANIA. Why you use albo name man?
To Belgrader,
You are right, you see what a fine work the Albanians are capable of acchieving.
To have the Jews and the Islamic support the same thing.
Its a long story, I like to keep it short.
Albania holds the highest price, a medal a country can get from Israel from saving 100% of Jews during WW2
I have noticed a lot of albanians (under an american-ish nickname) want explanations
of the Greeks opposition to the USA american policy,
(amongst other emotional salt, which i will not deal with).
THE GREEKS OPPOSE TO THE USA POLICY REGARDING SERBIA< BECAUSE IT IS
I L L E G A L.
Do they still teach you this word in school?
Regarding now Greece, USA, etc.. you didnt give anything for free, we didnt give anything for free.
American universities are full of greeks contributing to your economy, development, while rednecks play baseball and drink beers.
Gimme a break with your hostile, arrogant attitude.
Face it, you no longer can have the face of the law keeper, if you are breaking it, at any possible occasion.
Now back to the topic, we all know not many people are interested in KiM in the world except maybe serbs, albanians and some balkanians/europeans.
Why burns spit out such nonsense?
He wants to sent a signal to Russia only (but he is too little and frightened to say it to their face).
Russia most probably will answer that such statements destroy any diplomatic effort,
and we all lived happily after.
This Article gave me a good chuckle. As if Serb's are supposed to be terrified of NATO, I mean they couldn't protect monasteries and yet they want the global community to believe they can keep oder.
Serbia will not need to instigate unrest. US undersecretary Nicholas Burns is quite capable of doing this on his own, every time he opens his mouth and moves his jaw.
This is an astonishing abuse of the English language isn’t it? Serbia isn’t in a position to “instigate” anything. The only ones who can instigate clashes are NATO and the Albanians -- they’re the ones who want to re-draw international borders, not Serbia.
Burn’s comment to congress that NATO will "put down any attempt to oppose the transition by force" exposes what he’s really saying. Burns is telling Serbia not to retaliate against the theft of its territory because “95 per cent of the people who live in Kosovo now are Kosovo Albanian Muslims” who want secession.
What’s happening in Kosovo encourages genocide. We wouldn’t even be talking about Kosovo’s independence if Milosevic had actually done the things that he was accused of. If Serbia had committed genocide against the Kosovo-Albanians, if Milosevic had rounded up the Albanians and killed them all, there wouldn’t be any of them left to demand independence today.
As it is now, the Albanians are 95% of the population. They never were the victims of genocide – otherwise they wouldn’t be 95% of the population. Their overwhelming ethnic predominance is what makes their demand for independence a fait accompli.
If ethnic minorities are entitled to secession from their host country once they become the overwhelming majority on part of its territory, then nations eager to maintain their territorial integrity will have a strong motivation to keep the size of their ethnic minorities in check, which means carrying out an ethnic cleansing campaign from time to time to keep the size of their minority populations down.
Ethnic self-determination encourages ethnic cleansing. The only antidote is a strong international order that upholds the territorial integrity of states as the supreme principle governing relations between states. That is the system we’ve had since the end of World War II. That is the principle enshrined in the UN Charter. Unfortunately, that is the very principle that is being undermined in Kosovo today by people like Nicholas Burns.
Mr Putin is acting as stubborn guy who wants things to go his way. He wanted to be stubborn. Good for you body. You can’t be stubborn with the strongest because they always win. The Kosovo independence, it would be a good lesson for Mr. Putin as well.
kosovo is a phenomenon, it is the only region in the world that is backed up by both zionists and islamic countries. the only reason albanians have come to this point is due to the help of certain lobbies in the U.S that don't really care about the population of kosovo but rather their own agendas.
Burns "hopeful Serbia won't instigate unrest"
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Nazi Germany expected the same thing in the spring of '41.
As for the gentleman talking about Greek "problem" with the US, did it ever occur to you that these brave and self-respecting people might not like what aberration you've made out of noble idea of democracy?
Serbia already cut food supplies to Kosovo. Price of food is skyrocketing. Kosovo's president is pleading with Serbia not to cut off more food. As Marie Antonette said before her beheading. Let them eat indpendance.
So what Nicolas Burns is saying is that Serbia has no right to defend its own territory?!?! Since when is that so Mr Burns that countries are not allowed according to you to defend themselves from forces trying to steal their land?
Let's hope that Serbia stands up for negotiation and stands by its legal rights. Kosovo without agreement is not something I want to see in Europe.
Serbia is not now under Milosevic - it is acting legally under a proper democratic government that is following the rule of law. It is a pitty that the US has still not adjusted to this. What are they trying to do by threatening - start the fight?
If NATO used force to impose independence would be illegal. The negation of 1244 would make the occupation of Kosovo by NATO be effectively a full-scale aggressive invasion - it would make everything that every right-wing in Serbia said about NATO and the US absolutely correct. It would make all of 1244 obsolete and free Serbia to defend its territory by force - either now or in the distant future. As long as Serbia does not break humanitarian law it would have every legal right to defend its territory by aggressive means and there would be no legal basis for NATO to remain in the territory. It seems to me that if NATO uses force against Serbia in order enforce independence but without the previous humanitarian justification - that would be a provocative act of war. Serbia would have a right to defend its territory just as Mrs Thatcher defended the Falklands.
Unless Serbia agrees to Kosovan independence Kosovo will still be within the boundaries of Serbia - even if it calls itself independent. It will depend for all time on someone to defend it.
I believe that the US is playing a provocative and dangerous game. The correct route forward requires integration with Europe under strong autonomy in agreement with Serbia. Any more than that is extremely dangerous and highly irresponsible. Also, to give independence to Kosovo is to reward deliberate and long term ethnic cleansing of Serbs by Albanians. I think the EU, the US and NATO are creating a wicked precedent.
Even if they do impose independence, they should then impose partition as there is no reason to hold the northern Serbs within Kosovo.
the guy you are referring to, Zimmerman, is not a German.
I answered one comment and wanted to see whether he realizes his mistake, but he didn´t.
in Germany that name correctly written is Zimmermann, a Geramn would know that.
so, this "German", supposedly from Berlin, as he wanted to make us believe...is just another Albanian, with a ( once again ) ineffectual attempt to mislead the readers here...
weak. ( as usual ).
and to Joe:
I got the message! the US are realizing that they are losing the grip! threatening with force is the last thing they have...and this time, Serbia is well prepared and what´s best: Serbia defends international law!
so, if somebody means to be in the position to send out threats, he could be could possibly be biting on granite!
I guess, you did not get the message! but, keep kool...you will!
The pathetic anti-americanism of the Greeks is probably muching that of the Iranians. Why is that? Why do you have such a terrible hang-up versus my great country the US? As Olf pointed out where would you be without the US?
Is it envy, jealousy of your part? If you would be the 51th US state you would be surely better off but you wanted to be part of the EU. It was your free decision and we respect it fully.
He also told Congress the NATO force in Kosovo will "put down any attempt to oppose the transition by force."
Based on this comment, why should anyone do anything? The US is threatening us yet once again. This means everyone should be on guard - even the invaders.
So much for "equal opportunity" from the wonderous USA.
Zimmerman,
I don't think the Germans have a right to meddle in Balkan matters. Remember the atrocities committed on Yugoslavian soil by your fellow countrymen in WW II, remember what happened after your country recognized Croatia as an independent state? Moreover, your statement that "minorities will be protected to the greatest extend" is just ludicrous. Remember the K-Albanians looting Serbian houses while KFOR soldiers were watching and did nothing to stop the looting? Is that the type of protection you are referring to?
So Burns reaffirms what all of us here know. Just as Lavrov reaffirms what we all know about here. This is nothing new. Burns needs to say this in order to reaffirm the US's stance on the issue and to keep pressure on Moscow. It says absolutely nothing of what actually will happen. Without full EU support, the State Department is limited in its actions.
to me it looks like the last spasmodic movements of the wounded man before death.
The death of USA policy regarding Serbia.
(Pyrros, 15. November 2007 15:19)
Pyrros, I believe that you are a proud Greek who is proud of healthy Economy, Tourism, Culture etc. I just wonder what is up with you with such saying.
Do you know where would you be without US and West? If not ask you parents.
If there was NO US and west Pyrros wont be such a proud Greek. Who know if there would be any Greece in fact, knowing the troubles that Greeks has internally.
So, Pyrros, I would like to ask you to please be more polite and show respect to people that have offered you a better life, especially when it has nothin to do with Greece
And, according to VOA, he is giving Serbia, which opposes independence for the region, "an implicit warning not to try to forcibly resist such an outcome."
Burns
R u serious? US is threatening to pull their troops out because of afghanistan and ur telling me NATO is there for good. U have no place in the public eye and ur comments are deragatory to Serbs. You give independence to ur own states we will do what we want with ours. have a problem with that, talk to Russia. Because they will never in a million years allow u to recognise Kosovo without a penalty...
USA people are those most ignorant people on this planet. They know nothing about cultures and history of other countries yet they force countries to accept their proposals that are in line with US interests. How can the Serbs be forced by a country who's former President was cheating on his wife in the oval office while scirmishes were happening in Kosovo? On top of that he ended up with authority over the world to bomb Serbia? Tell me if that makes sense? Oh but of course Madaline albright recommended they bomb Serbia to take media coverage away from him and Monica Lewinsky. Hope he can sleep well at night because its him who'll be judged at the end of his time. Who does this country think they are? Attack who they want, kill heads of states and laugh at former superpowers?? They need to realize that Albanian muslims are not into religion like Arabs, nor do Albanians feel close to Arabs, yet America thinks they'll get brownie points in the middle east for creating a muslim state in europe. that's an example of the US being naive and not understanding cultures. they're troops will still get hit with road side bombs and what not.
well what can I say. If America wants it then America will get it, Germany, UK, France, Italy may appose the US at times however they have he same beliefs in Democracy so they will back the USA in its bid. Russia has embarrassed them salves.
American Foreign Policy makes me sick. I live in the USA and I cant wait for this country to go into a recession so that if can finally focus on internal problems instead of trying to detribalizes every country that doesn't agree with its empire. I hope Russia will get firmer.
NATO will enforce what exactly since as soon as there is any ILLEGAL action it is those who act first that NATO must act upon - unless of course NATO is no longer a "peacekeeping" force but a "war" force acting out of the boundary of their legitamacy on Serbia Sovereign territory.
President Tadic has an obligation to place Mr Burns comment on the right track and should immediatly retort such nonsense with the fact that Serbia will tolerate diplomacy as much as it can but illegal acts against the Soverignity of a UN recognised state are not acceptable and are acts of War.
Well I see more and more people from Serbia talking about RS after Kosova independence, they are so confident in their government and their leaders that they will do something to save Kosova and RS, but in the other hand they are forgetting that their leadership and their government has choose the same way to deal with these issues as Milosevic did. So this is logical, if you choose the same path then it will lead you to the same destination or results. Kosova will become independence country soon, BiH will force its central institutions more and more until one day their will not be federations and confederations but it will be one Bosnia because this was promised by Big Powers during the Dayton process because the only party that didn't want to sign the agreement and to continue the war were the Bosnian Muslim side because they were achieving success in the field significantly but they agreed only when international community promised them that they will unify Bosnia under one government with one army and one policy force. This will happen because USA said so and also this will happen with the Serbians help by continuing to follow the same path as Milosevic did. We hear threats every day from Serbia that we will cut every relation with the countries who will recognize independence of Kosova, and also that they will set embargo over Kosova in al aspects. I must tell you this what one friend from Hungary told me one time, he said we will never demand Vojvodina if Serbia is democratic country, in EU and NATO, but he said if Serbia gets isolated same as during Milosevic’s time then there is no reason for Vojvodina to stay under Serbia because that will not be the Hungarians decision who live in Vojvodina to Serbia get isolated, Serbs choose that way they have to deal with it not Vojvodina, and then you will hear Albanians who live in Preseva Valley saying the same thing and then you will hear a same thing from people who live in Sandzak and so one and so one. So my fellow Serb camp and my fellow neighbors the only way for Serbia to pull something out of this situation is to accept the real situation that is happening out there, because it will make me fill bad to hear that Serbia is getting isolated again when now I know a lot young people from this country who wants to progress in their life and by doing this Serbia will ruin their future and their dreams to live better. Serbia finally has to choose the path of peace and tolerance, the path that will get this country at list to catch the last train for a better life. So when Serbia redoes the countries map once again they have to erase Kosova from it and also from their minds in order to save of what they have left.
Mika is right on this one.
"meanwhile we got Serbians and Russians rejecting Kosova independence ( in meantime they got no forces on the field ) , and it's a BIG question what they can do about it"
It's truth.
The biggest American and NATO problem is that Russian troops are in South Ossetia, and Russians would be willing to support their independance from Georgia. Inconvinient, as Georgia wants to join NATO. But, NATO has no troops there and it's questionable if they can do something about it.
They can, of course, sorrow, like the kid that lost the toy.
What is he talking about - "put down any attempt by any party to take the law into their own hands.." . They are the ones that are taking law into their own hands. What he's trying to do is illegal.
But, as far as Kosovo, he's right. The might is on their side.
And that's the language they speak and understand.
I wish that Serbia by some chance has a power to "put down any attempt by any party to take the law into their own hands (US), or to seek a partition (of Serbia), or to seek instability(by giving irresponsable statements like this one)".
"And I think we can trust NATO to do the job, and at the same time trust our diplomacy to be successful in convincing the people of the country to move forward, considering the fact that 95 per cent of the people who live in Kosovo now are Kosovo Albanian Muslims."
All you have to do is recognize independance of Serb Republic, too and trust your diplomacy to be successful in convincing the people of the country to move forward, considering the fact that 95 per cent of the people who live in Serb Republic now are Serbs.
Notice how he says that Kosovo is '95% albanian muslim' and uses that to justify his 'greater albania' plan. In other words, he wants to reward the ethnic cleansing of Serbs from their ancestral homeland. He wants to bypass the UN and create another North Cyprus situation, in this case creating a NATO state where they can do what they please - whether it be use Kosovo as a dumping ground for their military waste, or a testing ground....None of this suprises me, coming from Burns. No morals, no guilt.
this report is very strange. is the u.s. worried that little serbia will disturb u.s. policy of redrawing european borders? after all this is a monumental policy with huge influence on our entire continent and maybe beyond. these are fateful decisions for big players. so with all due respect, i dont think mr burns is talking to us. he's talking to russia i think. lets see the answer :)
Mr Burns just go ahead! Serbs did not expect that USA troops might even protect them since they are as you said seizable minority. Yes, Serbs are there tiny minority for whose deportation and slaughtering USA blessed. Creating a new Albanian Moslem state as you precized is nothing more but flirtation to Arabs. However, Serbia wont sign any recognition agreement which will be guarantee that Serbia do not give up from its land and its boundries.This means that we are going to wait as long as needed to bring back Kosovo to where actually belongs to. For the end Mr Burns. don't expect that Serbs will allow and wait for new massacre and deportation. Serbs have basic human right to defend its own integrity by all means.
No surprise, I just said this yesterday, meanwhile Serbs were calling me hypocrite, sorry but the truth sometimes hurts!
Germany is supporting independence as well, but it won't make it public its stance until the end of the talk’s - 10th Dec. And as stated by Burns, Mitrovica is remaining in the borders, he said that on purpose to make it clears to those Serbs that won’t to ignite conflict so that they can benefit in terms of territory in turn, but this for sure won’t lead you to EU, as we in EU don’t accept this sort of mentality. As for Albanians, they will be strictly monitored, and the minorities will be protected to the greatest extend.
I guess this news from Burns is a bit old, as I made clear that yesterday on my comment, before this news came up ;)
Lets hope Serbia will accept the outcome.
If not, at least it should not start any trouble.
all the other Serbian posters here, so much for you guys claiming that US has been quiet and does not support the Independence of Kosova/o.
Prety soon we will all talk about other things, like RS in Bosnia etc.
Burns conveniently overlooked the fact that Nato is in Kosovo under the mandate of 1244 which recognizes Belgrade's sovereignty. Any Nato enforcement of an independent Kosovo without a UN resolution would therefore be a fragrant violation of 1244 ie. Nato would then be acting ILLEGALLY as far as the UN is concerned.
No need for Belgrade to "instigate violence" -- it just get the Serbs in the north to peacefully reject independence and declare their contined allegience to Belgrade -- in which case what is Nato going to do? Attack the K-Serbs and throw their entire population north of the Ibar into jail or exile in front the entire world????
My comment would be - no comment really . Facts are the most relevant things in any matter . Population of Kosova wants independence ( after all they will live in Kosova no matter what will be Kosova status ) ; this request is backing by Nato forces and EU ( Kosova is controlled by Nato forces ) ; meanwhile we got Serbians and Russians rejecting Kosova independence ( in meantime they got no forces on the field ) , and it's a BIG question what they can do about it ?? Will they act as a man and accept what is oncoming ( indenpendence ) or they will sorrow , like a kid when he lose a toy ?
Burns conveniently overlooked the fact that Nato is in Kosovo under the mandate of 1244 which recognizes Belgrade's sovereignty. Any Nato enforcement of an independent Kosovo without a UN resolution would therefore be a fragrant violation of 1244 ie. Nato would then be acting ILLEGALLY as far as the UN is concerned.
No need for Belgrade to "instigate violence" -- it just get the Serbs in the north to peacefully reject independence and declare their contined allegience to Belgrade -- in which case what is Nato going to do? Attack the K-Serbs and throw their entire population north of the Ibar into jail or exile in front the entire world????
NATO will enforce what exactly since as soon as there is any ILLEGAL action it is those who act first that NATO must act upon - unless of course NATO is no longer a "peacekeeping" force but a "war" force acting out of the boundary of their legitamacy on Serbia Sovereign territory.
President Tadic has an obligation to place Mr Burns comment on the right track and should immediatly retort such nonsense with the fact that Serbia will tolerate diplomacy as much as it can but illegal acts against the Soverignity of a UN recognised state are not acceptable and are acts of War.
Notice how he says that Kosovo is '95% albanian muslim' and uses that to justify his 'greater albania' plan. In other words, he wants to reward the ethnic cleansing of Serbs from their ancestral homeland. He wants to bypass the UN and create another North Cyprus situation, in this case creating a NATO state where they can do what they please - whether it be use Kosovo as a dumping ground for their military waste, or a testing ground....None of this suprises me, coming from Burns. No morals, no guilt.
My comment would be - no comment really . Facts are the most relevant things in any matter . Population of Kosova wants independence ( after all they will live in Kosova no matter what will be Kosova status ) ; this request is backing by Nato forces and EU ( Kosova is controlled by Nato forces ) ; meanwhile we got Serbians and Russians rejecting Kosova independence ( in meantime they got no forces on the field ) , and it's a BIG question what they can do about it ?? Will they act as a man and accept what is oncoming ( indenpendence ) or they will sorrow , like a kid when he lose a toy ?
Mr Burns just go ahead! Serbs did not expect that USA troops might even protect them since they are as you said seizable minority. Yes, Serbs are there tiny minority for whose deportation and slaughtering USA blessed. Creating a new Albanian Moslem state as you precized is nothing more but flirtation to Arabs. However, Serbia wont sign any recognition agreement which will be guarantee that Serbia do not give up from its land and its boundries.This means that we are going to wait as long as needed to bring back Kosovo to where actually belongs to. For the end Mr Burns. don't expect that Serbs will allow and wait for new massacre and deportation. Serbs have basic human right to defend its own integrity by all means.
So what Nicolas Burns is saying is that Serbia has no right to defend its own territory?!?! Since when is that so Mr Burns that countries are not allowed according to you to defend themselves from forces trying to steal their land?
Lets hope Serbia will accept the outcome.
If not, at least it should not start any trouble.
all the other Serbian posters here, so much for you guys claiming that US has been quiet and does not support the Independence of Kosova/o.
Prety soon we will all talk about other things, like RS in Bosnia etc.
Serbia already cut food supplies to Kosovo. Price of food is skyrocketing. Kosovo's president is pleading with Serbia not to cut off more food. As Marie Antonette said before her beheading. Let them eat indpendance.
Well I see more and more people from Serbia talking about RS after Kosova independence, they are so confident in their government and their leaders that they will do something to save Kosova and RS, but in the other hand they are forgetting that their leadership and their government has choose the same way to deal with these issues as Milosevic did. So this is logical, if you choose the same path then it will lead you to the same destination or results. Kosova will become independence country soon, BiH will force its central institutions more and more until one day their will not be federations and confederations but it will be one Bosnia because this was promised by Big Powers during the Dayton process because the only party that didn't want to sign the agreement and to continue the war were the Bosnian Muslim side because they were achieving success in the field significantly but they agreed only when international community promised them that they will unify Bosnia under one government with one army and one policy force. This will happen because USA said so and also this will happen with the Serbians help by continuing to follow the same path as Milosevic did. We hear threats every day from Serbia that we will cut every relation with the countries who will recognize independence of Kosova, and also that they will set embargo over Kosova in al aspects. I must tell you this what one friend from Hungary told me one time, he said we will never demand Vojvodina if Serbia is democratic country, in EU and NATO, but he said if Serbia gets isolated same as during Milosevic’s time then there is no reason for Vojvodina to stay under Serbia because that will not be the Hungarians decision who live in Vojvodina to Serbia get isolated, Serbs choose that way they have to deal with it not Vojvodina, and then you will hear Albanians who live in Preseva Valley saying the same thing and then you will hear a same thing from people who live in Sandzak and so one and so one. So my fellow Serb camp and my fellow neighbors the only way for Serbia to pull something out of this situation is to accept the real situation that is happening out there, because it will make me fill bad to hear that Serbia is getting isolated again when now I know a lot young people from this country who wants to progress in their life and by doing this Serbia will ruin their future and their dreams to live better. Serbia finally has to choose the path of peace and tolerance, the path that will get this country at list to catch the last train for a better life. So when Serbia redoes the countries map once again they have to erase Kosova from it and also from their minds in order to save of what they have left.
American Foreign Policy makes me sick. I live in the USA and I cant wait for this country to go into a recession so that if can finally focus on internal problems instead of trying to detribalizes every country that doesn't agree with its empire. I hope Russia will get firmer.
And, according to VOA, he is giving Serbia, which opposes independence for the region, "an implicit warning not to try to forcibly resist such an outcome."
Burns
R u serious? US is threatening to pull their troops out because of afghanistan and ur telling me NATO is there for good. U have no place in the public eye and ur comments are deragatory to Serbs. You give independence to ur own states we will do what we want with ours. have a problem with that, talk to Russia. Because they will never in a million years allow u to recognise Kosovo without a penalty...
to me it looks like the last spasmodic movements of the wounded man before death.
The death of USA policy regarding Serbia.
(Pyrros, 15. November 2007 15:19)
Pyrros, I believe that you are a proud Greek who is proud of healthy Economy, Tourism, Culture etc. I just wonder what is up with you with such saying.
Do you know where would you be without US and West? If not ask you parents.
If there was NO US and west Pyrros wont be such a proud Greek. Who know if there would be any Greece in fact, knowing the troubles that Greeks has internally.
So, Pyrros, I would like to ask you to please be more polite and show respect to people that have offered you a better life, especially when it has nothin to do with Greece
this report is very strange. is the u.s. worried that little serbia will disturb u.s. policy of redrawing european borders? after all this is a monumental policy with huge influence on our entire continent and maybe beyond. these are fateful decisions for big players. so with all due respect, i dont think mr burns is talking to us. he's talking to russia i think. lets see the answer :)
USA people are those most ignorant people on this planet. They know nothing about cultures and history of other countries yet they force countries to accept their proposals that are in line with US interests. How can the Serbs be forced by a country who's former President was cheating on his wife in the oval office while scirmishes were happening in Kosovo? On top of that he ended up with authority over the world to bomb Serbia? Tell me if that makes sense? Oh but of course Madaline albright recommended they bomb Serbia to take media coverage away from him and Monica Lewinsky. Hope he can sleep well at night because its him who'll be judged at the end of his time. Who does this country think they are? Attack who they want, kill heads of states and laugh at former superpowers?? They need to realize that Albanian muslims are not into religion like Arabs, nor do Albanians feel close to Arabs, yet America thinks they'll get brownie points in the middle east for creating a muslim state in europe. that's an example of the US being naive and not understanding cultures. they're troops will still get hit with road side bombs and what not.
Burns "hopeful Serbia won't instigate unrest"
________________________________
Nazi Germany expected the same thing in the spring of '41.
As for the gentleman talking about Greek "problem" with the US, did it ever occur to you that these brave and self-respecting people might not like what aberration you've made out of noble idea of democracy?
No surprise, I just said this yesterday, meanwhile Serbs were calling me hypocrite, sorry but the truth sometimes hurts!
Germany is supporting independence as well, but it won't make it public its stance until the end of the talk’s - 10th Dec. And as stated by Burns, Mitrovica is remaining in the borders, he said that on purpose to make it clears to those Serbs that won’t to ignite conflict so that they can benefit in terms of territory in turn, but this for sure won’t lead you to EU, as we in EU don’t accept this sort of mentality. As for Albanians, they will be strictly monitored, and the minorities will be protected to the greatest extend.
I guess this news from Burns is a bit old, as I made clear that yesterday on my comment, before this news came up ;)
So Burns reaffirms what all of us here know. Just as Lavrov reaffirms what we all know about here. This is nothing new. Burns needs to say this in order to reaffirm the US's stance on the issue and to keep pressure on Moscow. It says absolutely nothing of what actually will happen. Without full EU support, the State Department is limited in its actions.
Zimmerman,
I don't think the Germans have a right to meddle in Balkan matters. Remember the atrocities committed on Yugoslavian soil by your fellow countrymen in WW II, remember what happened after your country recognized Croatia as an independent state? Moreover, your statement that "minorities will be protected to the greatest extend" is just ludicrous. Remember the K-Albanians looting Serbian houses while KFOR soldiers were watching and did nothing to stop the looting? Is that the type of protection you are referring to?
Let's hope that Serbia stands up for negotiation and stands by its legal rights. Kosovo without agreement is not something I want to see in Europe.
Serbia is not now under Milosevic - it is acting legally under a proper democratic government that is following the rule of law. It is a pitty that the US has still not adjusted to this. What are they trying to do by threatening - start the fight?
If NATO used force to impose independence would be illegal. The negation of 1244 would make the occupation of Kosovo by NATO be effectively a full-scale aggressive invasion - it would make everything that every right-wing in Serbia said about NATO and the US absolutely correct. It would make all of 1244 obsolete and free Serbia to defend its territory by force - either now or in the distant future. As long as Serbia does not break humanitarian law it would have every legal right to defend its territory by aggressive means and there would be no legal basis for NATO to remain in the territory. It seems to me that if NATO uses force against Serbia in order enforce independence but without the previous humanitarian justification - that would be a provocative act of war. Serbia would have a right to defend its territory just as Mrs Thatcher defended the Falklands.
Unless Serbia agrees to Kosovan independence Kosovo will still be within the boundaries of Serbia - even if it calls itself independent. It will depend for all time on someone to defend it.
I believe that the US is playing a provocative and dangerous game. The correct route forward requires integration with Europe under strong autonomy in agreement with Serbia. Any more than that is extremely dangerous and highly irresponsible. Also, to give independence to Kosovo is to reward deliberate and long term ethnic cleansing of Serbs by Albanians. I think the EU, the US and NATO are creating a wicked precedent.
Even if they do impose independence, they should then impose partition as there is no reason to hold the northern Serbs within Kosovo.
kosovo is a phenomenon, it is the only region in the world that is backed up by both zionists and islamic countries. the only reason albanians have come to this point is due to the help of certain lobbies in the U.S that don't really care about the population of kosovo but rather their own agendas.
"And I think we can trust NATO to do the job, and at the same time trust our diplomacy to be successful in convincing the people of the country to move forward, considering the fact that 95 per cent of the people who live in Kosovo now are Kosovo Albanian Muslims."
All you have to do is recognize independance of Serb Republic, too and trust your diplomacy to be successful in convincing the people of the country to move forward, considering the fact that 95 per cent of the people who live in Serb Republic now are Serbs.
He also told Congress the NATO force in Kosovo will "put down any attempt to oppose the transition by force."
Based on this comment, why should anyone do anything? The US is threatening us yet once again. This means everyone should be on guard - even the invaders.
So much for "equal opportunity" from the wonderous USA.
This is an astonishing abuse of the English language isn’t it? Serbia isn’t in a position to “instigate” anything. The only ones who can instigate clashes are NATO and the Albanians -- they’re the ones who want to re-draw international borders, not Serbia.
Burn’s comment to congress that NATO will "put down any attempt to oppose the transition by force" exposes what he’s really saying. Burns is telling Serbia not to retaliate against the theft of its territory because “95 per cent of the people who live in Kosovo now are Kosovo Albanian Muslims” who want secession.
What’s happening in Kosovo encourages genocide. We wouldn’t even be talking about Kosovo’s independence if Milosevic had actually done the things that he was accused of. If Serbia had committed genocide against the Kosovo-Albanians, if Milosevic had rounded up the Albanians and killed them all, there wouldn’t be any of them left to demand independence today.
As it is now, the Albanians are 95% of the population. They never were the victims of genocide – otherwise they wouldn’t be 95% of the population. Their overwhelming ethnic predominance is what makes their demand for independence a fait accompli.
If ethnic minorities are entitled to secession from their host country once they become the overwhelming majority on part of its territory, then nations eager to maintain their territorial integrity will have a strong motivation to keep the size of their ethnic minorities in check, which means carrying out an ethnic cleansing campaign from time to time to keep the size of their minority populations down.
Ethnic self-determination encourages ethnic cleansing. The only antidote is a strong international order that upholds the territorial integrity of states as the supreme principle governing relations between states. That is the system we’ve had since the end of World War II. That is the principle enshrined in the UN Charter. Unfortunately, that is the very principle that is being undermined in Kosovo today by people like Nicholas Burns.
well what can I say. If America wants it then America will get it, Germany, UK, France, Italy may appose the US at times however they have he same beliefs in Democracy so they will back the USA in its bid. Russia has embarrassed them salves.
The pathetic anti-americanism of the Greeks is probably muching that of the Iranians. Why is that? Why do you have such a terrible hang-up versus my great country the US? As Olf pointed out where would you be without the US?
Is it envy, jealousy of your part? If you would be the 51th US state you would be surely better off but you wanted to be part of the EU. It was your free decision and we respect it fully.
Serbia will not need to instigate unrest. US undersecretary Nicholas Burns is quite capable of doing this on his own, every time he opens his mouth and moves his jaw.
Mika is right on this one.
"meanwhile we got Serbians and Russians rejecting Kosova independence ( in meantime they got no forces on the field ) , and it's a BIG question what they can do about it"
It's truth.
The biggest American and NATO problem is that Russian troops are in South Ossetia, and Russians would be willing to support their independance from Georgia. Inconvinient, as Georgia wants to join NATO. But, NATO has no troops there and it's questionable if they can do something about it.
They can, of course, sorrow, like the kid that lost the toy.
What is he talking about - "put down any attempt by any party to take the law into their own hands.." . They are the ones that are taking law into their own hands. What he's trying to do is illegal.
But, as far as Kosovo, he's right. The might is on their side.
And that's the language they speak and understand.
I wish that Serbia by some chance has a power to "put down any attempt by any party to take the law into their own hands (US), or to seek a partition (of Serbia), or to seek instability(by giving irresponsable statements like this one)".
the guy you are referring to, Zimmerman, is not a German.
I answered one comment and wanted to see whether he realizes his mistake, but he didn´t.
in Germany that name correctly written is Zimmermann, a Geramn would know that.
so, this "German", supposedly from Berlin, as he wanted to make us believe...is just another Albanian, with a ( once again ) ineffectual attempt to mislead the readers here...
weak. ( as usual ).
and to Joe:
I got the message! the US are realizing that they are losing the grip! threatening with force is the last thing they have...and this time, Serbia is well prepared and what´s best: Serbia defends international law!
so, if somebody means to be in the position to send out threats, he could be could possibly be biting on granite!
I guess, you did not get the message! but, keep kool...you will!
I have noticed a lot of albanians (under an american-ish nickname) want explanations
of the Greeks opposition to the USA american policy,
(amongst other emotional salt, which i will not deal with).
THE GREEKS OPPOSE TO THE USA POLICY REGARDING SERBIA< BECAUSE IT IS
I L L E G A L.
Do they still teach you this word in school?
Regarding now Greece, USA, etc.. you didnt give anything for free, we didnt give anything for free.
American universities are full of greeks contributing to your economy, development, while rednecks play baseball and drink beers.
Gimme a break with your hostile, arrogant attitude.
Face it, you no longer can have the face of the law keeper, if you are breaking it, at any possible occasion.
Now back to the topic, we all know not many people are interested in KiM in the world except maybe serbs, albanians and some balkanians/europeans.
Why burns spit out such nonsense?
He wants to sent a signal to Russia only (but he is too little and frightened to say it to their face).
Russia most probably will answer that such statements destroy any diplomatic effort,
and we all lived happily after.
Ben, the fact that you constantly try to steal other people's history is not my problem.
Its yours.
Pyrros spoke greek, wrote greek,
his name comes from pyr (fire),
and ancient indoeuropean word,
all scripts in dodona are in greek.
Not to mention Apolonia and half of todays "alabania"
(the word you seem to prefer).
This Article gave me a good chuckle. As if Serb's are supposed to be terrified of NATO, I mean they couldn't protect monasteries and yet they want the global community to believe they can keep oder.
To Belgrader,
You are right, you see what a fine work the Albanians are capable of acchieving.
To have the Jews and the Islamic support the same thing.
Its a long story, I like to keep it short.
Albania holds the highest price, a medal a country can get from Israel from saving 100% of Jews during WW2
Pyrros: stop using Alabanian name as your nick-name. Epiri is the lend of Epeve-Ipeve-Shqipeve it's the eagles land-SHQIPERIA, it's ALBANIA. Why you use albo name man?
"Burns conveniently overlooked the fact that Nato is in Kosovo under the mandate of 1244 which recognizes Belgrade's sovereignty. Any Nato enforcement of an independent Kosovo without a UN resolution would therefore be a fragrant violation of 1244 ie. Nato would then be acting ILLEGALLY as far as the UN is concerned"
I have a question for you.
Did NATO and US had approval from UN SC when they bombed Serbia in 1999? I didn't think so!
Same thing will happen again. No need for any stupid resolution to accept Kosovo's independence. Do you think NAO troops are controled by UN? hmmm, I think not.
Here is the thing... If US wants to do something then there is no way that someone can stop it including Russia or China or whoever else might be.
I have a question for you.
Did NATO and US had approval from UN SC when they bombed Serbia in 1999? I didn't think so!
Same thing will happen again. No need for any stupid resolution to accept Kosovo's independence. Do you think NAO troops are controled by UN? hmmm, I think not.
Here is the thing... If US wants to do something then there is no way that someone can stop it including Russia or China or whoever else might be.
(Eagle, 16. November 2007 17:24)"
Eagle,
You need to be better informed about history. Let me enlighten you.
Nato attacked Serbia and Montenegro without UN approval .... and then had to plead for a UN resolution at the end.... the Chinese, whose embassy in Belgrade was bombed, insisted on compensation (which the US later meekly paid US$28 million to Beijing and US$4.2 million to the Chinese victims' families) and insisted on the clause in 1244 respecting Belgrade's sovereignty ..... yes, my dear Eagle, this was how that clause in 1244 came about and which Burns now tried to evade.
The Nato countries accepted the Chinese demands because they were actually desperate to end the war .... they had military power as you said .... but their own people were becoming increasing horrified at the civilian casualties in Yugoslavia from the Nato bombs (which Nato tried at first to gloss over under the fanciful term "collateral damage). The Nato governments in Europe then knew that they had to end the war soon if they don't want disquiet growing to unmanageable proportions among their own people who elected them.
So yes, you are right that they bombed Serbia without first getting UN approval ... and then had to beg the UN for a resolution to end the war.
No need for UN resolution or membership for Kosovo? No need for recognition as an independent country? Why don't you ask Pristina whether they agree with you?
Stop kidding yourself. UN membership is the ultimate confirmation of nationhood and independence. Don't believe me? Just look at Taiwan. They are already an advanced and thriving economy (which Kosovo is NOT by the way) and yet they yearn for UN membership.
Mr Putin is acting as stubborn guy who wants things to go his way. He wanted to be stubborn. Good for you body. You can’t be stubborn with the strongest because they always win. The Kosovo independence, it would be a good lesson for Mr. Putin as well.
"Pyrros" for you http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gjergj_Kastriot
I have the stamp of vatican Kastrioti teh Prince of Epir and Macedonia- but you would say the Vatican is ignorant and stealing your coulture too. Epir=Shqiperi
No surprise, I just said this yesterday, meanwhile Serbs were calling me hypocrite, sorry but the truth sometimes hurts!
Germany is supporting independence as well, but it won't make it public its stance until the end of the talk’s - 10th Dec. And as stated by Burns, Mitrovica is remaining in the borders, he said that on purpose to make it clears to those Serbs that won’t to ignite conflict so that they can benefit in terms of territory in turn, but this for sure won’t lead you to EU, as we in EU don’t accept this sort of mentality. As for Albanians, they will be strictly monitored, and the minorities will be protected to the greatest extend.
I guess this news from Burns is a bit old, as I made clear that yesterday on my comment, before this news came up ;)
My comment would be - no comment really . Facts are the most relevant things in any matter . Population of Kosova wants independence ( after all they will live in Kosova no matter what will be Kosova status ) ; this request is backing by Nato forces and EU ( Kosova is controlled by Nato forces ) ; meanwhile we got Serbians and Russians rejecting Kosova independence ( in meantime they got no forces on the field ) , and it's a BIG question what they can do about it ?? Will they act as a man and accept what is oncoming ( indenpendence ) or they will sorrow , like a kid when he lose a toy ?
Lets hope Serbia will accept the outcome.
If not, at least it should not start any trouble.
all the other Serbian posters here, so much for you guys claiming that US has been quiet and does not support the Independence of Kosova/o.
Prety soon we will all talk about other things, like RS in Bosnia etc.
Well I see more and more people from Serbia talking about RS after Kosova independence, they are so confident in their government and their leaders that they will do something to save Kosova and RS, but in the other hand they are forgetting that their leadership and their government has choose the same way to deal with these issues as Milosevic did. So this is logical, if you choose the same path then it will lead you to the same destination or results. Kosova will become independence country soon, BiH will force its central institutions more and more until one day their will not be federations and confederations but it will be one Bosnia because this was promised by Big Powers during the Dayton process because the only party that didn't want to sign the agreement and to continue the war were the Bosnian Muslim side because they were achieving success in the field significantly but they agreed only when international community promised them that they will unify Bosnia under one government with one army and one policy force. This will happen because USA said so and also this will happen with the Serbians help by continuing to follow the same path as Milosevic did. We hear threats every day from Serbia that we will cut every relation with the countries who will recognize independence of Kosova, and also that they will set embargo over Kosova in al aspects. I must tell you this what one friend from Hungary told me one time, he said we will never demand Vojvodina if Serbia is democratic country, in EU and NATO, but he said if Serbia gets isolated same as during Milosevic’s time then there is no reason for Vojvodina to stay under Serbia because that will not be the Hungarians decision who live in Vojvodina to Serbia get isolated, Serbs choose that way they have to deal with it not Vojvodina, and then you will hear Albanians who live in Preseva Valley saying the same thing and then you will hear a same thing from people who live in Sandzak and so one and so one. So my fellow Serb camp and my fellow neighbors the only way for Serbia to pull something out of this situation is to accept the real situation that is happening out there, because it will make me fill bad to hear that Serbia is getting isolated again when now I know a lot young people from this country who wants to progress in their life and by doing this Serbia will ruin their future and their dreams to live better. Serbia finally has to choose the path of peace and tolerance, the path that will get this country at list to catch the last train for a better life. So when Serbia redoes the countries map once again they have to erase Kosova from it and also from their minds in order to save of what they have left.
well what can I say. If America wants it then America will get it, Germany, UK, France, Italy may appose the US at times however they have he same beliefs in Democracy so they will back the USA in its bid. Russia has embarrassed them salves.
to me it looks like the last spasmodic movements of the wounded man before death.
The death of USA policy regarding Serbia.
(Pyrros, 15. November 2007 15:19)
Pyrros, I believe that you are a proud Greek who is proud of healthy Economy, Tourism, Culture etc. I just wonder what is up with you with such saying.
Do you know where would you be without US and West? If not ask you parents.
If there was NO US and west Pyrros wont be such a proud Greek. Who know if there would be any Greece in fact, knowing the troubles that Greeks has internally.
So, Pyrros, I would like to ask you to please be more polite and show respect to people that have offered you a better life, especially when it has nothin to do with Greece
Mr Burns just go ahead! Serbs did not expect that USA troops might even protect them since they are as you said seizable minority. Yes, Serbs are there tiny minority for whose deportation and slaughtering USA blessed. Creating a new Albanian Moslem state as you precized is nothing more but flirtation to Arabs. However, Serbia wont sign any recognition agreement which will be guarantee that Serbia do not give up from its land and its boundries.This means that we are going to wait as long as needed to bring back Kosovo to where actually belongs to. For the end Mr Burns. don't expect that Serbs will allow and wait for new massacre and deportation. Serbs have basic human right to defend its own integrity by all means.
Burns conveniently overlooked the fact that Nato is in Kosovo under the mandate of 1244 which recognizes Belgrade's sovereignty. Any Nato enforcement of an independent Kosovo without a UN resolution would therefore be a fragrant violation of 1244 ie. Nato would then be acting ILLEGALLY as far as the UN is concerned.
No need for Belgrade to "instigate violence" -- it just get the Serbs in the north to peacefully reject independence and declare their contined allegience to Belgrade -- in which case what is Nato going to do? Attack the K-Serbs and throw their entire population north of the Ibar into jail or exile in front the entire world????
this report is very strange. is the u.s. worried that little serbia will disturb u.s. policy of redrawing european borders? after all this is a monumental policy with huge influence on our entire continent and maybe beyond. these are fateful decisions for big players. so with all due respect, i dont think mr burns is talking to us. he's talking to russia i think. lets see the answer :)
NATO will enforce what exactly since as soon as there is any ILLEGAL action it is those who act first that NATO must act upon - unless of course NATO is no longer a "peacekeeping" force but a "war" force acting out of the boundary of their legitamacy on Serbia Sovereign territory.
President Tadic has an obligation to place Mr Burns comment on the right track and should immediatly retort such nonsense with the fact that Serbia will tolerate diplomacy as much as it can but illegal acts against the Soverignity of a UN recognised state are not acceptable and are acts of War.
Serbia already cut food supplies to Kosovo. Price of food is skyrocketing. Kosovo's president is pleading with Serbia not to cut off more food. As Marie Antonette said before her beheading. Let them eat indpendance.
Mika is right on this one.
"meanwhile we got Serbians and Russians rejecting Kosova independence ( in meantime they got no forces on the field ) , and it's a BIG question what they can do about it"
It's truth.
The biggest American and NATO problem is that Russian troops are in South Ossetia, and Russians would be willing to support their independance from Georgia. Inconvinient, as Georgia wants to join NATO. But, NATO has no troops there and it's questionable if they can do something about it.
They can, of course, sorrow, like the kid that lost the toy.
What is he talking about - "put down any attempt by any party to take the law into their own hands.." . They are the ones that are taking law into their own hands. What he's trying to do is illegal.
But, as far as Kosovo, he's right. The might is on their side.
And that's the language they speak and understand.
I wish that Serbia by some chance has a power to "put down any attempt by any party to take the law into their own hands (US), or to seek a partition (of Serbia), or to seek instability(by giving irresponsable statements like this one)".
"And I think we can trust NATO to do the job, and at the same time trust our diplomacy to be successful in convincing the people of the country to move forward, considering the fact that 95 per cent of the people who live in Kosovo now are Kosovo Albanian Muslims."
All you have to do is recognize independance of Serb Republic, too and trust your diplomacy to be successful in convincing the people of the country to move forward, considering the fact that 95 per cent of the people who live in Serb Republic now are Serbs.
Notice how he says that Kosovo is '95% albanian muslim' and uses that to justify his 'greater albania' plan. In other words, he wants to reward the ethnic cleansing of Serbs from their ancestral homeland. He wants to bypass the UN and create another North Cyprus situation, in this case creating a NATO state where they can do what they please - whether it be use Kosovo as a dumping ground for their military waste, or a testing ground....None of this suprises me, coming from Burns. No morals, no guilt.
American Foreign Policy makes me sick. I live in the USA and I cant wait for this country to go into a recession so that if can finally focus on internal problems instead of trying to detribalizes every country that doesn't agree with its empire. I hope Russia will get firmer.
And, according to VOA, he is giving Serbia, which opposes independence for the region, "an implicit warning not to try to forcibly resist such an outcome."
Burns
R u serious? US is threatening to pull their troops out because of afghanistan and ur telling me NATO is there for good. U have no place in the public eye and ur comments are deragatory to Serbs. You give independence to ur own states we will do what we want with ours. have a problem with that, talk to Russia. Because they will never in a million years allow u to recognise Kosovo without a penalty...
USA people are those most ignorant people on this planet. They know nothing about cultures and history of other countries yet they force countries to accept their proposals that are in line with US interests. How can the Serbs be forced by a country who's former President was cheating on his wife in the oval office while scirmishes were happening in Kosovo? On top of that he ended up with authority over the world to bomb Serbia? Tell me if that makes sense? Oh but of course Madaline albright recommended they bomb Serbia to take media coverage away from him and Monica Lewinsky. Hope he can sleep well at night because its him who'll be judged at the end of his time. Who does this country think they are? Attack who they want, kill heads of states and laugh at former superpowers?? They need to realize that Albanian muslims are not into religion like Arabs, nor do Albanians feel close to Arabs, yet America thinks they'll get brownie points in the middle east for creating a muslim state in europe. that's an example of the US being naive and not understanding cultures. they're troops will still get hit with road side bombs and what not.
Zimmerman,
I don't think the Germans have a right to meddle in Balkan matters. Remember the atrocities committed on Yugoslavian soil by your fellow countrymen in WW II, remember what happened after your country recognized Croatia as an independent state? Moreover, your statement that "minorities will be protected to the greatest extend" is just ludicrous. Remember the K-Albanians looting Serbian houses while KFOR soldiers were watching and did nothing to stop the looting? Is that the type of protection you are referring to?
The pathetic anti-americanism of the Greeks is probably muching that of the Iranians. Why is that? Why do you have such a terrible hang-up versus my great country the US? As Olf pointed out where would you be without the US?
Is it envy, jealousy of your part? If you would be the 51th US state you would be surely better off but you wanted to be part of the EU. It was your free decision and we respect it fully.
Let's hope that Serbia stands up for negotiation and stands by its legal rights. Kosovo without agreement is not something I want to see in Europe.
Serbia is not now under Milosevic - it is acting legally under a proper democratic government that is following the rule of law. It is a pitty that the US has still not adjusted to this. What are they trying to do by threatening - start the fight?
If NATO used force to impose independence would be illegal. The negation of 1244 would make the occupation of Kosovo by NATO be effectively a full-scale aggressive invasion - it would make everything that every right-wing in Serbia said about NATO and the US absolutely correct. It would make all of 1244 obsolete and free Serbia to defend its territory by force - either now or in the distant future. As long as Serbia does not break humanitarian law it would have every legal right to defend its territory by aggressive means and there would be no legal basis for NATO to remain in the territory. It seems to me that if NATO uses force against Serbia in order enforce independence but without the previous humanitarian justification - that would be a provocative act of war. Serbia would have a right to defend its territory just as Mrs Thatcher defended the Falklands.
Unless Serbia agrees to Kosovan independence Kosovo will still be within the boundaries of Serbia - even if it calls itself independent. It will depend for all time on someone to defend it.
I believe that the US is playing a provocative and dangerous game. The correct route forward requires integration with Europe under strong autonomy in agreement with Serbia. Any more than that is extremely dangerous and highly irresponsible. Also, to give independence to Kosovo is to reward deliberate and long term ethnic cleansing of Serbs by Albanians. I think the EU, the US and NATO are creating a wicked precedent.
Even if they do impose independence, they should then impose partition as there is no reason to hold the northern Serbs within Kosovo.
the guy you are referring to, Zimmerman, is not a German.
I answered one comment and wanted to see whether he realizes his mistake, but he didn´t.
in Germany that name correctly written is Zimmermann, a Geramn would know that.
so, this "German", supposedly from Berlin, as he wanted to make us believe...is just another Albanian, with a ( once again ) ineffectual attempt to mislead the readers here...
weak. ( as usual ).
and to Joe:
I got the message! the US are realizing that they are losing the grip! threatening with force is the last thing they have...and this time, Serbia is well prepared and what´s best: Serbia defends international law!
so, if somebody means to be in the position to send out threats, he could be could possibly be biting on granite!
I guess, you did not get the message! but, keep kool...you will!
So what Nicolas Burns is saying is that Serbia has no right to defend its own territory?!?! Since when is that so Mr Burns that countries are not allowed according to you to defend themselves from forces trying to steal their land?
Mr Putin is acting as stubborn guy who wants things to go his way. He wanted to be stubborn. Good for you body. You can’t be stubborn with the strongest because they always win. The Kosovo independence, it would be a good lesson for Mr. Putin as well.
So Burns reaffirms what all of us here know. Just as Lavrov reaffirms what we all know about here. This is nothing new. Burns needs to say this in order to reaffirm the US's stance on the issue and to keep pressure on Moscow. It says absolutely nothing of what actually will happen. Without full EU support, the State Department is limited in its actions.
He also told Congress the NATO force in Kosovo will "put down any attempt to oppose the transition by force."
Based on this comment, why should anyone do anything? The US is threatening us yet once again. This means everyone should be on guard - even the invaders.
So much for "equal opportunity" from the wonderous USA.
Burns "hopeful Serbia won't instigate unrest"
________________________________
Nazi Germany expected the same thing in the spring of '41.
As for the gentleman talking about Greek "problem" with the US, did it ever occur to you that these brave and self-respecting people might not like what aberration you've made out of noble idea of democracy?
kosovo is a phenomenon, it is the only region in the world that is backed up by both zionists and islamic countries. the only reason albanians have come to this point is due to the help of certain lobbies in the U.S that don't really care about the population of kosovo but rather their own agendas.
This is an astonishing abuse of the English language isn’t it? Serbia isn’t in a position to “instigate” anything. The only ones who can instigate clashes are NATO and the Albanians -- they’re the ones who want to re-draw international borders, not Serbia.
Burn’s comment to congress that NATO will "put down any attempt to oppose the transition by force" exposes what he’s really saying. Burns is telling Serbia not to retaliate against the theft of its territory because “95 per cent of the people who live in Kosovo now are Kosovo Albanian Muslims” who want secession.
What’s happening in Kosovo encourages genocide. We wouldn’t even be talking about Kosovo’s independence if Milosevic had actually done the things that he was accused of. If Serbia had committed genocide against the Kosovo-Albanians, if Milosevic had rounded up the Albanians and killed them all, there wouldn’t be any of them left to demand independence today.
As it is now, the Albanians are 95% of the population. They never were the victims of genocide – otherwise they wouldn’t be 95% of the population. Their overwhelming ethnic predominance is what makes their demand for independence a fait accompli.
If ethnic minorities are entitled to secession from their host country once they become the overwhelming majority on part of its territory, then nations eager to maintain their territorial integrity will have a strong motivation to keep the size of their ethnic minorities in check, which means carrying out an ethnic cleansing campaign from time to time to keep the size of their minority populations down.
Ethnic self-determination encourages ethnic cleansing. The only antidote is a strong international order that upholds the territorial integrity of states as the supreme principle governing relations between states. That is the system we’ve had since the end of World War II. That is the principle enshrined in the UN Charter. Unfortunately, that is the very principle that is being undermined in Kosovo today by people like Nicholas Burns.
Serbia will not need to instigate unrest. US undersecretary Nicholas Burns is quite capable of doing this on his own, every time he opens his mouth and moves his jaw.
This Article gave me a good chuckle. As if Serb's are supposed to be terrified of NATO, I mean they couldn't protect monasteries and yet they want the global community to believe they can keep oder.
I have noticed a lot of albanians (under an american-ish nickname) want explanations
of the Greeks opposition to the USA american policy,
(amongst other emotional salt, which i will not deal with).
THE GREEKS OPPOSE TO THE USA POLICY REGARDING SERBIA< BECAUSE IT IS
I L L E G A L.
Do they still teach you this word in school?
Regarding now Greece, USA, etc.. you didnt give anything for free, we didnt give anything for free.
American universities are full of greeks contributing to your economy, development, while rednecks play baseball and drink beers.
Gimme a break with your hostile, arrogant attitude.
Face it, you no longer can have the face of the law keeper, if you are breaking it, at any possible occasion.
Now back to the topic, we all know not many people are interested in KiM in the world except maybe serbs, albanians and some balkanians/europeans.
Why burns spit out such nonsense?
He wants to sent a signal to Russia only (but he is too little and frightened to say it to their face).
Russia most probably will answer that such statements destroy any diplomatic effort,
and we all lived happily after.
To Belgrader,
You are right, you see what a fine work the Albanians are capable of acchieving.
To have the Jews and the Islamic support the same thing.
Its a long story, I like to keep it short.
Albania holds the highest price, a medal a country can get from Israel from saving 100% of Jews during WW2
Pyrros: stop using Alabanian name as your nick-name. Epiri is the lend of Epeve-Ipeve-Shqipeve it's the eagles land-SHQIPERIA, it's ALBANIA. Why you use albo name man?
Ben, the fact that you constantly try to steal other people's history is not my problem.
Its yours.
Pyrros spoke greek, wrote greek,
his name comes from pyr (fire),
and ancient indoeuropean word,
all scripts in dodona are in greek.
Not to mention Apolonia and half of todays "alabania"
(the word you seem to prefer).
"Burns conveniently overlooked the fact that Nato is in Kosovo under the mandate of 1244 which recognizes Belgrade's sovereignty. Any Nato enforcement of an independent Kosovo without a UN resolution would therefore be a fragrant violation of 1244 ie. Nato would then be acting ILLEGALLY as far as the UN is concerned"
I have a question for you.
Did NATO and US had approval from UN SC when they bombed Serbia in 1999? I didn't think so!
Same thing will happen again. No need for any stupid resolution to accept Kosovo's independence. Do you think NAO troops are controled by UN? hmmm, I think not.
Here is the thing... If US wants to do something then there is no way that someone can stop it including Russia or China or whoever else might be.
I have a question for you.
Did NATO and US had approval from UN SC when they bombed Serbia in 1999? I didn't think so!
Same thing will happen again. No need for any stupid resolution to accept Kosovo's independence. Do you think NAO troops are controled by UN? hmmm, I think not.
Here is the thing... If US wants to do something then there is no way that someone can stop it including Russia or China or whoever else might be.
(Eagle, 16. November 2007 17:24)"
Eagle,
You need to be better informed about history. Let me enlighten you.
Nato attacked Serbia and Montenegro without UN approval .... and then had to plead for a UN resolution at the end.... the Chinese, whose embassy in Belgrade was bombed, insisted on compensation (which the US later meekly paid US$28 million to Beijing and US$4.2 million to the Chinese victims' families) and insisted on the clause in 1244 respecting Belgrade's sovereignty ..... yes, my dear Eagle, this was how that clause in 1244 came about and which Burns now tried to evade.
The Nato countries accepted the Chinese demands because they were actually desperate to end the war .... they had military power as you said .... but their own people were becoming increasing horrified at the civilian casualties in Yugoslavia from the Nato bombs (which Nato tried at first to gloss over under the fanciful term "collateral damage). The Nato governments in Europe then knew that they had to end the war soon if they don't want disquiet growing to unmanageable proportions among their own people who elected them.
So yes, you are right that they bombed Serbia without first getting UN approval ... and then had to beg the UN for a resolution to end the war.
No need for UN resolution or membership for Kosovo? No need for recognition as an independent country? Why don't you ask Pristina whether they agree with you?
Stop kidding yourself. UN membership is the ultimate confirmation of nationhood and independence. Don't believe me? Just look at Taiwan. They are already an advanced and thriving economy (which Kosovo is NOT by the way) and yet they yearn for UN membership.
"Pyrros" for you http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gjergj_Kastriot
I have the stamp of vatican Kastrioti teh Prince of Epir and Macedonia- but you would say the Vatican is ignorant and stealing your coulture too. Epir=Shqiperi
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