"Neutral" status according to an Albanian saying would mean "neither meat nor fish". In other words "insecurity" or "instability". People of Kosova deserve to know what their future holds which I personally believe the best way and realistic one is full independence for Kosova. When it comes to international community I have very strong indications that it support independence. The only "problem" is Russia to persuade but then we will come to a situation where "enough is enough" recalling the Gerge W Bush promise in Tirana.
Very idealistic. What probably will happen if Kosovo joins Albania is that RS will rejoin Serbia and Presevo Valley will get nothing, even if they resort to terrorism.
If Kosovo is to become independent it should be supervized in order to ensure that minority rights in Kosovo are respected, or otherwise Northern Kosovo will push for autonomy, if not a reunion with Serbia.
Who will then stop this from happening if Kosovo is recognized outside the UNSC?
Does anyone in this forum REALLY wants to talk? It seems to me that posters are hard core nationalists who can not see beyond that. The fact is that Kosova is not controlled by Serbia. For that to happen, KFOR would have to leave, US would have to leave..., Does anybody REALLY think that this is possible? So, Serbia's insistence on 1244 is claiming a piece of paper-a law. Lets be honest with ourselves and each other, laws are made to change. Ron, Princip, Cvele, Kate, et al., have to understand that laws are made to be changed. For example, when an accident happens and somebody dies, the traffic police decides to place a red light a stop sign or change the road. The same is with laws; ethnic clensing happens and laws are for change.Lets suppose that a KLA fighter owns in paper a property in Belgrade or Sumadija. Technically, in paper, they would have a right to claim it. However, if you ask Serbs to allow that is like asking Kosovars to live in one country with Serbia.
-It is sad to see the effort which Ron et al., present in a forum because they have nothing to add that is constructive to the issue at hand. They have nothing of substance regarding the problem. They present only fantasies and soviet era ideology. Perhaps it is easy to hide behind the ideology and not see the 1000 pound gorilla in the room. Academics do this all the time. It is how they escape reality. I noticed Kate often spends a lot of energy criticizing posters for 'lack of education' or 'proper language skills'. Kate you must be an academic. Maybe you should be grading papers instead of speaking on behalf of Kosova serbs!!!
-This forum shows how detached people are from the real issue. Kosova-the dream version, might be all about ideals and the world where one plus one could equal 1000. Kosova, the real version-the one we should be talking about here, is a place where Albanians and Serbs need to live together and build a tolerant democracy that allows for the wounds of war to heal.
-On the other hand, if you want to be UNREAL and NATIONALISTIC until the end, keep posting on ideology, 1244, territorial claims, borders. I really feel bad for Serbs in Kosova. They are being played BADLY. Everytime that I read coments like Ron et al.,'s I feel that Albanians should do more to help integrate Kosova Serbs into the Kosova's institutions and all aspects of life.
Poor Ischinger. He is such a busy body within the Troika but all his ideas are shot down in now time by the Samarzics and Cveles. He tried to believe in Santa Claus and pull out a rabbit from his hat. He tought naively to be able to perform a miracle. Come December 10 and the result of the Troika will be a resounding zero. After that Athisaari will appear even more like a giant.
Jovan - We'll just see about that, almost 3 weeks left. If this Troika, or you, or anyone in the world is able to stop a declaration of independence and it's recognition, then they would have made themselves known. But no one, not even Russia, can stop such a thing. All it can do is talk about "threats, domino-effects, maybes, perhapses, futures and unknowns..."
Meanwhile, the Kosovar and Serbian sides, both rejected the "neutral" idea, so there goes the last attempt of the Troika to beat around the bush.
I think the Troika should not be paid in full! They did a big fat nothing.
As a Serb I think this is a good move to defuse the situation and bring the people to trust one another again. This is what should have been done once NATO took over control in 1999 however they were set on making Kosovo independent. With independence the situation would further deteriorate between Serbs and Albanians which is what neither side needs. Best news as of yet.
"Kosova needs and deserve clarity about its future."
I fully agree with you EA, as do many people here curious as to what "neutral status" would entail. However, it is clear that not everyone (including major world powers) agrees with your solution of just giving the area independence. If that were the case, we wouldn't be thinking of "neutral status", let alone have these talks.
What I certainly hope is that we won't see some article headline tomorrow saying something like "Ischinger denies "neutral status" claim or something like that. If this is what the Troika is proposing, and in all cases imposing, you, me, and the rest of us, deserve to know exactly what "neutral status" provides, and what it prohibits.
Can you see you guys here at B92 panels how differently the parties see the issue of Kosova Status? I have said so many times that you can talk for a century and there would be no agreement when it comes to STATUS. Kosova needs and deserve clarity about its future. The independece to my view is unavoidable. FULL STOP.
As long as the agreement reached is based on equality between two parties and their commitment to respect their respective territorial integrity, that’s fine. Prishtina should give up trying to convince Belgrade to change their mind. If an agreement is achieved Serbia’s claim over territory, remain immaterial. In turn, we’ll have our independence in spite of Serbia’s opposition. Agreement can be a good way to move forward and address all Serbia’s anxieties but I doubt it if BG would agree.
We keep hearing the same tune by Mr Samardzic. “Kosova is an integral and inalienable part of Serbia’s territory”. I just like to know how it is integral. Is Serbia’s existence of threatened in anyway by Kosova’s succession? On the contrary, this move puts an end to all uncertainties in the region. Economically it doesn’t make sense either. We all have been hearing how Kosova has been a burden on Serbia all these years. Strategically would have made sense only in an old Yugoslavian contest but good old Yugoslavia is dead and buried. It cannot be an inalienable part of Serbia, as an absolute Albanian majority inhabits it.
It can only be politically difficult but politicians come and go and with time, brave men will come around to the idea of an independent Kosova even in Serbia.
the final trap for serbias IDE is being set. By accepting status neutral, the major hurdle of resolution 1244 would be overcome, which would allow for the recognition of kosovos independence down the road. A slow process but patience is a virtue and nothing food in life comes easy or fast. So Serbia has to decide between the two: accept normalization of relations with Kosovo irrespective of final status, and essentially delay the inevitable independence for a few more years, or b) don't accept the final western offer, and open up the opportunity for immediate recognition of unilateral declaration on accounts of serbias/russias obstructionist and deconstructive approach.
This proposal is unacceptable because it goes beyond the authority of the Troika. The Troika was created in order to discuss status, not avoid discussing status.
The document must either mention independence to please the Albanian side, or deny independence to please the Serbian side.
Anything other than that, is beyond this shameful Troika's authority!
I think we have to wait and see the details of the proposal, before we make and comments on it.
The most important thing is to find out what the troika intends to do in term of status.
If this propals only intends to regulate the relations between Serbia and Kosovo, and status is dealt separately, then fine. K. Albanians will sing this proposal, and then declare independence.
Like i said we will have to wait and hear the details, but it kind of sounds as if its just a continuation of 'status-qou' which is not good for anyone.
The relations between Serbia and Kosovo are tied to the status Kosovo.
But I am glad to see Serbia doing its usual and rejecting every proposal couple of hours after it hits the news! At least it saves the K.Albanian side from doing it.
I have to agree with Cvele - it has to be accepted by Kosovo's Serbs. It also has to respect the current boundaries and territorial integrity under Resolution 1244.
Ans AS TIA - why are you having a pop at Ron? He only gave his point of view just like everyone else here.
I think this awful trading on the expenses of Albanians since 1912 should stop immediately.
Kosova was cut from Albania in the London conference after WWI and since then Serbia is not able to show that can rule with kosova in peaceful way.
By the end of WWII there was an intra-state agreement Yugoslavia-Albania (the conference of Bjanovc) that after the war Kosova would have the right to decide if it wants to be part of Yugoslavia or Albania- this referendum was never allowed by Yugoslavia, bullishly violating the Bujanovc accord.
If the International Community can not guarantee the independence to Kosova then Albania has the right to ask the Bujanovc accord to reviewed and claim Kosova. This is the only possible and realistic scenario if Serbia and IC in peaceful way do not recognize the independence to Kosova.
This is excellent news. By working to essentially disfuse the tensions between both sides, it facilitates the conditions for a civil dialogue between Belgrade and Pristina, something that has been sorely lacking. I'm not ready to throw my weight behind this idea, but I would like to hear a lot more of that this offers. If anything, it means returning to the abandoned Standards before Status, then we're already moving in the right direction.
well well that is what was expected. one wants black and the other wants white. nobody wants gray. that's it. NEGOTIATION MEANS CONCILIATION NOT THREAT OR BLACKMAIL.
"Ischinger's idea of neutral status for Kosovo is based on the 1972 agreement between two independent German states, and this idea is directly contrary to UN Security Council Resolution 1244," Samardžić stressed in an interview with Tanjug.
If its not fine with Kosovo Serbs its unacceptable to us. We will not establish anything like two germanys in the 70s because it doesnt apply. However, the Honk Kong model is the only offer we can give. Albanians can deal with this however, they want, although Im sure that this type of system will be unacceptable to the ANA so all we have to do is wait. They will kill their own cause.
Ron has spoken. The whole point was to make Ron happy. Now that Ron is happy we do not have anymore truble in the Balkans :)
“The agreement on ’neutral status’ will be an offer to both sides to form relations independently of any decision today or tomorrow on Kosovo’s status,“
This means that Serbia will not interfere in Kosova’s afairs and also Kosova will not interfere in Serbia’s afairs.
I like this idea. Today or tomorrow means on the 11th or 12th of December.
I think this awful trading on the expenses of Albanians since 1912 should stop immediately.
Kosova was cut from Albania in the London conference after WWI and since then Serbia is not able to show that can rule with kosova in peaceful way.
By the end of WWII there was an intra-state agreement Yugoslavia-Albania (the conference of Bjanovc) that after the war Kosova would have the right to decide if it wants to be part of Yugoslavia or Albania- this referendum was never allowed by Yugoslavia, bullishly violating the Bujanovc accord.
If the International Community can not guarantee the independence to Kosova then Albania has the right to ask the Bujanovc accord to reviewed and claim Kosova. This is the only possible and realistic scenario if Serbia and IC in peaceful way do not recognize the independence to Kosova.
Can you see you guys here at B92 panels how differently the parties see the issue of Kosova Status? I have said so many times that you can talk for a century and there would be no agreement when it comes to STATUS. Kosova needs and deserve clarity about its future. The independece to my view is unavoidable. FULL STOP.
"Ischinger's idea of neutral status for Kosovo is based on the 1972 agreement between two independent German states, and this idea is directly contrary to UN Security Council Resolution 1244," Samardžić stressed in an interview with Tanjug.
If its not fine with Kosovo Serbs its unacceptable to us. We will not establish anything like two germanys in the 70s because it doesnt apply. However, the Honk Kong model is the only offer we can give. Albanians can deal with this however, they want, although Im sure that this type of system will be unacceptable to the ANA so all we have to do is wait. They will kill their own cause.
This proposal is unacceptable because it goes beyond the authority of the Troika. The Troika was created in order to discuss status, not avoid discussing status.
The document must either mention independence to please the Albanian side, or deny independence to please the Serbian side.
Anything other than that, is beyond this shameful Troika's authority!
This is excellent news. By working to essentially disfuse the tensions between both sides, it facilitates the conditions for a civil dialogue between Belgrade and Pristina, something that has been sorely lacking. I'm not ready to throw my weight behind this idea, but I would like to hear a lot more of that this offers. If anything, it means returning to the abandoned Standards before Status, then we're already moving in the right direction.
I think we have to wait and see the details of the proposal, before we make and comments on it.
The most important thing is to find out what the troika intends to do in term of status.
If this propals only intends to regulate the relations between Serbia and Kosovo, and status is dealt separately, then fine. K. Albanians will sing this proposal, and then declare independence.
Like i said we will have to wait and hear the details, but it kind of sounds as if its just a continuation of 'status-qou' which is not good for anyone.
The relations between Serbia and Kosovo are tied to the status Kosovo.
But I am glad to see Serbia doing its usual and rejecting every proposal couple of hours after it hits the news! At least it saves the K.Albanian side from doing it.
As long as the agreement reached is based on equality between two parties and their commitment to respect their respective territorial integrity, that’s fine. Prishtina should give up trying to convince Belgrade to change their mind. If an agreement is achieved Serbia’s claim over territory, remain immaterial. In turn, we’ll have our independence in spite of Serbia’s opposition. Agreement can be a good way to move forward and address all Serbia’s anxieties but I doubt it if BG would agree.
We keep hearing the same tune by Mr Samardzic. “Kosova is an integral and inalienable part of Serbia’s territory”. I just like to know how it is integral. Is Serbia’s existence of threatened in anyway by Kosova’s succession? On the contrary, this move puts an end to all uncertainties in the region. Economically it doesn’t make sense either. We all have been hearing how Kosova has been a burden on Serbia all these years. Strategically would have made sense only in an old Yugoslavian contest but good old Yugoslavia is dead and buried. It cannot be an inalienable part of Serbia, as an absolute Albanian majority inhabits it.
It can only be politically difficult but politicians come and go and with time, brave men will come around to the idea of an independent Kosova even in Serbia.
"Kosova needs and deserve clarity about its future."
I fully agree with you EA, as do many people here curious as to what "neutral status" would entail. However, it is clear that not everyone (including major world powers) agrees with your solution of just giving the area independence. If that were the case, we wouldn't be thinking of "neutral status", let alone have these talks.
What I certainly hope is that we won't see some article headline tomorrow saying something like "Ischinger denies "neutral status" claim or something like that. If this is what the Troika is proposing, and in all cases imposing, you, me, and the rest of us, deserve to know exactly what "neutral status" provides, and what it prohibits.
Poor Ischinger. He is such a busy body within the Troika but all his ideas are shot down in now time by the Samarzics and Cveles. He tried to believe in Santa Claus and pull out a rabbit from his hat. He tought naively to be able to perform a miracle. Come December 10 and the result of the Troika will be a resounding zero. After that Athisaari will appear even more like a giant.
Ron has spoken. The whole point was to make Ron happy. Now that Ron is happy we do not have anymore truble in the Balkans :)
“The agreement on ’neutral status’ will be an offer to both sides to form relations independently of any decision today or tomorrow on Kosovo’s status,“
This means that Serbia will not interfere in Kosova’s afairs and also Kosova will not interfere in Serbia’s afairs.
I like this idea. Today or tomorrow means on the 11th or 12th of December.
I have to agree with Cvele - it has to be accepted by Kosovo's Serbs. It also has to respect the current boundaries and territorial integrity under Resolution 1244.
Ans AS TIA - why are you having a pop at Ron? He only gave his point of view just like everyone else here.
Jovan - We'll just see about that, almost 3 weeks left. If this Troika, or you, or anyone in the world is able to stop a declaration of independence and it's recognition, then they would have made themselves known. But no one, not even Russia, can stop such a thing. All it can do is talk about "threats, domino-effects, maybes, perhapses, futures and unknowns..."
Meanwhile, the Kosovar and Serbian sides, both rejected the "neutral" idea, so there goes the last attempt of the Troika to beat around the bush.
I think the Troika should not be paid in full! They did a big fat nothing.
well well that is what was expected. one wants black and the other wants white. nobody wants gray. that's it. NEGOTIATION MEANS CONCILIATION NOT THREAT OR BLACKMAIL.
the final trap for serbias IDE is being set. By accepting status neutral, the major hurdle of resolution 1244 would be overcome, which would allow for the recognition of kosovos independence down the road. A slow process but patience is a virtue and nothing food in life comes easy or fast. So Serbia has to decide between the two: accept normalization of relations with Kosovo irrespective of final status, and essentially delay the inevitable independence for a few more years, or b) don't accept the final western offer, and open up the opportunity for immediate recognition of unilateral declaration on accounts of serbias/russias obstructionist and deconstructive approach.
Very idealistic. What probably will happen if Kosovo joins Albania is that RS will rejoin Serbia and Presevo Valley will get nothing, even if they resort to terrorism.
If Kosovo is to become independent it should be supervized in order to ensure that minority rights in Kosovo are respected, or otherwise Northern Kosovo will push for autonomy, if not a reunion with Serbia.
Who will then stop this from happening if Kosovo is recognized outside the UNSC?
As a Serb I think this is a good move to defuse the situation and bring the people to trust one another again. This is what should have been done once NATO took over control in 1999 however they were set on making Kosovo independent. With independence the situation would further deteriorate between Serbs and Albanians which is what neither side needs. Best news as of yet.
Does anyone in this forum REALLY wants to talk? It seems to me that posters are hard core nationalists who can not see beyond that. The fact is that Kosova is not controlled by Serbia. For that to happen, KFOR would have to leave, US would have to leave..., Does anybody REALLY think that this is possible? So, Serbia's insistence on 1244 is claiming a piece of paper-a law. Lets be honest with ourselves and each other, laws are made to change. Ron, Princip, Cvele, Kate, et al., have to understand that laws are made to be changed. For example, when an accident happens and somebody dies, the traffic police decides to place a red light a stop sign or change the road. The same is with laws; ethnic clensing happens and laws are for change.Lets suppose that a KLA fighter owns in paper a property in Belgrade or Sumadija. Technically, in paper, they would have a right to claim it. However, if you ask Serbs to allow that is like asking Kosovars to live in one country with Serbia.
-It is sad to see the effort which Ron et al., present in a forum because they have nothing to add that is constructive to the issue at hand. They have nothing of substance regarding the problem. They present only fantasies and soviet era ideology. Perhaps it is easy to hide behind the ideology and not see the 1000 pound gorilla in the room. Academics do this all the time. It is how they escape reality. I noticed Kate often spends a lot of energy criticizing posters for 'lack of education' or 'proper language skills'. Kate you must be an academic. Maybe you should be grading papers instead of speaking on behalf of Kosova serbs!!!
-This forum shows how detached people are from the real issue. Kosova-the dream version, might be all about ideals and the world where one plus one could equal 1000. Kosova, the real version-the one we should be talking about here, is a place where Albanians and Serbs need to live together and build a tolerant democracy that allows for the wounds of war to heal.
-On the other hand, if you want to be UNREAL and NATIONALISTIC until the end, keep posting on ideology, 1244, territorial claims, borders. I really feel bad for Serbs in Kosova. They are being played BADLY. Everytime that I read coments like Ron et al.,'s I feel that Albanians should do more to help integrate Kosova Serbs into the Kosova's institutions and all aspects of life.
"Neutral" status according to an Albanian saying would mean "neither meat nor fish". In other words "insecurity" or "instability". People of Kosova deserve to know what their future holds which I personally believe the best way and realistic one is full independence for Kosova. When it comes to international community I have very strong indications that it support independence. The only "problem" is Russia to persuade but then we will come to a situation where "enough is enough" recalling the Gerge W Bush promise in Tirana.
I think this awful trading on the expenses of Albanians since 1912 should stop immediately.
Kosova was cut from Albania in the London conference after WWI and since then Serbia is not able to show that can rule with kosova in peaceful way.
By the end of WWII there was an intra-state agreement Yugoslavia-Albania (the conference of Bjanovc) that after the war Kosova would have the right to decide if it wants to be part of Yugoslavia or Albania- this referendum was never allowed by Yugoslavia, bullishly violating the Bujanovc accord.
If the International Community can not guarantee the independence to Kosova then Albania has the right to ask the Bujanovc accord to reviewed and claim Kosova. This is the only possible and realistic scenario if Serbia and IC in peaceful way do not recognize the independence to Kosova.
"Ischinger's idea of neutral status for Kosovo is based on the 1972 agreement between two independent German states, and this idea is directly contrary to UN Security Council Resolution 1244," Samardžić stressed in an interview with Tanjug.
If its not fine with Kosovo Serbs its unacceptable to us. We will not establish anything like two germanys in the 70s because it doesnt apply. However, the Honk Kong model is the only offer we can give. Albanians can deal with this however, they want, although Im sure that this type of system will be unacceptable to the ANA so all we have to do is wait. They will kill their own cause.
I have to agree with Cvele - it has to be accepted by Kosovo's Serbs. It also has to respect the current boundaries and territorial integrity under Resolution 1244.
Ans AS TIA - why are you having a pop at Ron? He only gave his point of view just like everyone else here.
This is excellent news. By working to essentially disfuse the tensions between both sides, it facilitates the conditions for a civil dialogue between Belgrade and Pristina, something that has been sorely lacking. I'm not ready to throw my weight behind this idea, but I would like to hear a lot more of that this offers. If anything, it means returning to the abandoned Standards before Status, then we're already moving in the right direction.
well well that is what was expected. one wants black and the other wants white. nobody wants gray. that's it. NEGOTIATION MEANS CONCILIATION NOT THREAT OR BLACKMAIL.
Ron has spoken. The whole point was to make Ron happy. Now that Ron is happy we do not have anymore truble in the Balkans :)
“The agreement on ’neutral status’ will be an offer to both sides to form relations independently of any decision today or tomorrow on Kosovo’s status,“
This means that Serbia will not interfere in Kosova’s afairs and also Kosova will not interfere in Serbia’s afairs.
I like this idea. Today or tomorrow means on the 11th or 12th of December.
Can you see you guys here at B92 panels how differently the parties see the issue of Kosova Status? I have said so many times that you can talk for a century and there would be no agreement when it comes to STATUS. Kosova needs and deserve clarity about its future. The independece to my view is unavoidable. FULL STOP.
As long as the agreement reached is based on equality between two parties and their commitment to respect their respective territorial integrity, that’s fine. Prishtina should give up trying to convince Belgrade to change their mind. If an agreement is achieved Serbia’s claim over territory, remain immaterial. In turn, we’ll have our independence in spite of Serbia’s opposition. Agreement can be a good way to move forward and address all Serbia’s anxieties but I doubt it if BG would agree.
We keep hearing the same tune by Mr Samardzic. “Kosova is an integral and inalienable part of Serbia’s territory”. I just like to know how it is integral. Is Serbia’s existence of threatened in anyway by Kosova’s succession? On the contrary, this move puts an end to all uncertainties in the region. Economically it doesn’t make sense either. We all have been hearing how Kosova has been a burden on Serbia all these years. Strategically would have made sense only in an old Yugoslavian contest but good old Yugoslavia is dead and buried. It cannot be an inalienable part of Serbia, as an absolute Albanian majority inhabits it.
It can only be politically difficult but politicians come and go and with time, brave men will come around to the idea of an independent Kosova even in Serbia.
"Kosova needs and deserve clarity about its future."
I fully agree with you EA, as do many people here curious as to what "neutral status" would entail. However, it is clear that not everyone (including major world powers) agrees with your solution of just giving the area independence. If that were the case, we wouldn't be thinking of "neutral status", let alone have these talks.
What I certainly hope is that we won't see some article headline tomorrow saying something like "Ischinger denies "neutral status" claim or something like that. If this is what the Troika is proposing, and in all cases imposing, you, me, and the rest of us, deserve to know exactly what "neutral status" provides, and what it prohibits.
As a Serb I think this is a good move to defuse the situation and bring the people to trust one another again. This is what should have been done once NATO took over control in 1999 however they were set on making Kosovo independent. With independence the situation would further deteriorate between Serbs and Albanians which is what neither side needs. Best news as of yet.
Poor Ischinger. He is such a busy body within the Troika but all his ideas are shot down in now time by the Samarzics and Cveles. He tried to believe in Santa Claus and pull out a rabbit from his hat. He tought naively to be able to perform a miracle. Come December 10 and the result of the Troika will be a resounding zero. After that Athisaari will appear even more like a giant.
I think we have to wait and see the details of the proposal, before we make and comments on it.
The most important thing is to find out what the troika intends to do in term of status.
If this propals only intends to regulate the relations between Serbia and Kosovo, and status is dealt separately, then fine. K. Albanians will sing this proposal, and then declare independence.
Like i said we will have to wait and hear the details, but it kind of sounds as if its just a continuation of 'status-qou' which is not good for anyone.
The relations between Serbia and Kosovo are tied to the status Kosovo.
But I am glad to see Serbia doing its usual and rejecting every proposal couple of hours after it hits the news! At least it saves the K.Albanian side from doing it.
This proposal is unacceptable because it goes beyond the authority of the Troika. The Troika was created in order to discuss status, not avoid discussing status.
The document must either mention independence to please the Albanian side, or deny independence to please the Serbian side.
Anything other than that, is beyond this shameful Troika's authority!
the final trap for serbias IDE is being set. By accepting status neutral, the major hurdle of resolution 1244 would be overcome, which would allow for the recognition of kosovos independence down the road. A slow process but patience is a virtue and nothing food in life comes easy or fast. So Serbia has to decide between the two: accept normalization of relations with Kosovo irrespective of final status, and essentially delay the inevitable independence for a few more years, or b) don't accept the final western offer, and open up the opportunity for immediate recognition of unilateral declaration on accounts of serbias/russias obstructionist and deconstructive approach.
Jovan - We'll just see about that, almost 3 weeks left. If this Troika, or you, or anyone in the world is able to stop a declaration of independence and it's recognition, then they would have made themselves known. But no one, not even Russia, can stop such a thing. All it can do is talk about "threats, domino-effects, maybes, perhapses, futures and unknowns..."
Meanwhile, the Kosovar and Serbian sides, both rejected the "neutral" idea, so there goes the last attempt of the Troika to beat around the bush.
I think the Troika should not be paid in full! They did a big fat nothing.
Does anyone in this forum REALLY wants to talk? It seems to me that posters are hard core nationalists who can not see beyond that. The fact is that Kosova is not controlled by Serbia. For that to happen, KFOR would have to leave, US would have to leave..., Does anybody REALLY think that this is possible? So, Serbia's insistence on 1244 is claiming a piece of paper-a law. Lets be honest with ourselves and each other, laws are made to change. Ron, Princip, Cvele, Kate, et al., have to understand that laws are made to be changed. For example, when an accident happens and somebody dies, the traffic police decides to place a red light a stop sign or change the road. The same is with laws; ethnic clensing happens and laws are for change.Lets suppose that a KLA fighter owns in paper a property in Belgrade or Sumadija. Technically, in paper, they would have a right to claim it. However, if you ask Serbs to allow that is like asking Kosovars to live in one country with Serbia.
-It is sad to see the effort which Ron et al., present in a forum because they have nothing to add that is constructive to the issue at hand. They have nothing of substance regarding the problem. They present only fantasies and soviet era ideology. Perhaps it is easy to hide behind the ideology and not see the 1000 pound gorilla in the room. Academics do this all the time. It is how they escape reality. I noticed Kate often spends a lot of energy criticizing posters for 'lack of education' or 'proper language skills'. Kate you must be an academic. Maybe you should be grading papers instead of speaking on behalf of Kosova serbs!!!
-This forum shows how detached people are from the real issue. Kosova-the dream version, might be all about ideals and the world where one plus one could equal 1000. Kosova, the real version-the one we should be talking about here, is a place where Albanians and Serbs need to live together and build a tolerant democracy that allows for the wounds of war to heal.
-On the other hand, if you want to be UNREAL and NATIONALISTIC until the end, keep posting on ideology, 1244, territorial claims, borders. I really feel bad for Serbs in Kosova. They are being played BADLY. Everytime that I read coments like Ron et al.,'s I feel that Albanians should do more to help integrate Kosova Serbs into the Kosova's institutions and all aspects of life.
Very idealistic. What probably will happen if Kosovo joins Albania is that RS will rejoin Serbia and Presevo Valley will get nothing, even if they resort to terrorism.
If Kosovo is to become independent it should be supervized in order to ensure that minority rights in Kosovo are respected, or otherwise Northern Kosovo will push for autonomy, if not a reunion with Serbia.
Who will then stop this from happening if Kosovo is recognized outside the UNSC?
"Neutral" status according to an Albanian saying would mean "neither meat nor fish". In other words "insecurity" or "instability". People of Kosova deserve to know what their future holds which I personally believe the best way and realistic one is full independence for Kosova. When it comes to international community I have very strong indications that it support independence. The only "problem" is Russia to persuade but then we will come to a situation where "enough is enough" recalling the Gerge W Bush promise in Tirana.
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