Hungarian press: Budapest backs Belgrade over Kosovo?

Tick, tock, tick, tock...

the US and a few "EU" states have set their own time bomb and it is up to them to diffuse it through the simple respect of International norms and laws Moreover, only they can persuade their puppets that a "negotiated" settlement is actually the best they can deliver and that all previous false promises were just that - false and undeliverable!

The US way backwards at full speed into instability and chaos is starting to dawn on the Europeans and would immediatly question the very exisitance of BiH, FYR Makedonia just in the Balkans alone but what about the rest of the world???

EU unity thus means fully accomodating the views of Slovakia, Cypress, Greece, Malta, Hungary, Romania and Spain and clearly means the end of this folly of independence that the US tried to impose.

Thus come the 11th December there will be;
No Illegal Declaration
No Illegal Recognition
No Violence - NATO will act!

Finally it will have dawn'd upon all the citisens of Serbia that they are in the state they are and need to get on with working in reconcilation with it to make Serbia a better place for all irrespective of Ethnicity.

Peace to all when Christmas comes.

Hungary is against illegal unilateral Kosovo independence, so is Romania, Greece, Cypress and Bulgaria as well as Sweden, Spain, Ireland and possibly Germany, and these are just the EU countries, then we have Russia, India, Turkey, China, almost all of South America, the Caribbean Islands and South Africa, don't be fooled to thing Slovenia, Montenegro, Bosnia or Croatia as being for Kosovo independence because in the end Russian energy pressure will be too much for these Former Yugoslav Republics to go against. The fact is that its not looking good for the Albanians if they think they can get independence based on the support of the USA, UK, France, Italy and maybe Canada and Germany and I must say its a BIG maybe for Germany and Canada. Kosovo will have No EU membership, No NATO membership, and No UN seat or World bank membership, plus no Northern Kosovo. Wow sounds like a place I would like to raise my children, get real people!!!

Olf,

You wrote it won't be an illegal declaration?? There are several countries inside the EU, and outside of Europe, including China, that won't recognize Kosovo's independance without a UN resolution. Claiming independance is illegal according to international laws, policies, and the UN resolution set forth. You will also have no EU unity. It will possibly be the US and their puppets recognizing independance, however how far they want to take it could severely jeopardize the makeup of UN and several international policies. While the US may say they are all for it, Russia and China, the other 2 world superpowers will not be.

Olf, you mention violence? Kosovo is full of guerilla armies, and criminals, most of them come from Albania. HOpefully Serbia can clean that up, because that infested country of Albania is where all those people came from. Albania is a poor country, crime rate is high, politics are corrupt, and you have the nerve to mention Serbian mobs?? When's the last time someone took a vacation to Albania?

Lastly..
The Albanians in the end will have more opposition than support, and if they threaten violence, they will have much more of a reason to be put down this time. I am for peace myself, but if their guerilla armies start threatening, I think they need to be contained immediately.. and it's not Kosova, it's Kosovo. Remember that.

Kosovo is Serbian. And the Hungarians know that!

Hungary got a smart leadership.

...and Europe a clear message.


let´s see what future brings!

mospyt... where do you get your information from? Albania Nazi Times?

Olf,

without a new UN SC Resolution replacing 1244 any act of independence be it unilateral or coordinated is ILLEGAL and the UNMIK is obliged to immediatly act against it irrespective of the US coordination - evem less likely is the EU to take on the UNMIK role when they have such a dubious legal issue - one EU veto out of 27 is all that is required to halt the whole coordination and that is something you seem to ignore at your peril! If Serbia needs to step up the diplomatic offensive after 10th Decemebr it will but it will do so only as far others realise that jaw-jaw is required and we all now what happens when jaw-jaw stops - for the Balkans a signal is the winter thaw and that is when patience will have run very thin for the Soverign and UN recognised State of Serbia....

Anyway Hungary, Slovakia, Romania, Greece are all small potatoes. Recognition will be decided by the big EU countries.
(Joe, 14. November 2007 17:54)

Joe, these small potatoes as you call them along with larger potatoes have all but STOPPED any prospect of Kosovo independence. The USA has a history of supporting a side and than when things get dirty, they leave... Look at Vietnam, Somalia, Ethiopia and the list goes on and on, look at what their support has done in Iraq. If your independence depends on the USA then be prepared for a terrible reality, because in the end the Americans are far more concerned about getting Russia’s support against Iran than they are concerned about Kosovo's independence, they will trade Kosovo in a blink of an eye if Russia suggest it, and Russia will if they must, they have a lot at stake here too, they must not appear weak again as they did in 1999 because their political survival depends on them being strong, no Russian politician wants to explain to their people why they were beat again, especially now that they have retained their power status in the world. Once the USA takes a step back from independence after December 10 then the rest of the few remaining supporters will back-off too! The Albanians have too much against them to win this, just to name a few things >> Serbia’s unified will to keep Kosovo, a new and strong Russia's support for Serbia and the biggest obstacle of all for the Albanians is International Law!

This is promising so far. It seems that climate in EU is changing. Each day we heear some promising news coming from EU countries. One by one of EU countries changes the opinion over Kosovo. The last time even USA has been silent. The Europe finaly begun to wake up. I toast to that name

EA
I find it unimmaginable any Serbian control over Kosova. It is never going to work for Serbia to keep the sovereignity over Kosova. It is a fact that Serbia lost the war over Kosova. It is as simple as that.
(EA, 14. November 2007 19:41)

Whatever happened albanians didnt win...
Resolution 1244

Hmm, one moment they are told to toe the line, another their real view slips out....

All of you with your clocks are making me laugh because if your all waiting for Dec 10th as some sort of "Indepdance day" (pardon the cliche) then I think you shall be rudely awakened when you relise that Kosovo's problem is not going away that easily.

First and foremost I would like to say the use of the word "Kosova"
http://opinionleaders.htmlplanet.com/koskosova.html
is a very interesting and relates directly to the mentality of sepratist Albanians or the non-existant word "Kosovars".

Serbia cannot exist without Kosovo, its that simple you might aswell pack up Serbia alltogether give a bit to the Muslims and the Croats and that will be the end of Serbia.

Kosovo is Serbia its where the country and it's peoples are from, the womb of Serbian civilisation.

This is the begging and not the end

Olf,

"Princip, you have to understand that 1244 was adopted only to stop the war."

- exactly I do understand that 1244 is what maintains the peace and now the US and a "few" EU countries wish to rip this up and your happy for that!

But what will it bring other then reverse the clock to the point before the 10th June 1999?

If Serbia is now being told 1244 no longer applies then guess what NATO troops remove their legality with regards their prescence on Soverign Serbian territory. There is no having your cake and eating it US position on this matter the logic is Rip up and ignore what you signed in 1244 and you immediatly have to pull out all "OCCUPYING" troops and what happens then ? Is this really what you want ? Think it all through I am only too aware and too prepared for any ILLEGAL force against the UN recognised state of Serbia - is the US really ready to force its foreign policy on another soverign state and wage an illegal war in 2008? Who else will want to US poodles in a new war front? US credibility will be shot to bits there will be sane and "legal" EU position to maintain solidaity with the US on this - the US will be a war monger and seen as such on a Global scale and everyone will lose the last ounce of trust in the US.

Serbia will allow diplomacy the last chance but I am certain that Serbia's President Tadic can echo some words from a US Presidential "maybe"

"As president, I will never hesitate to use force to protect "Serbian" or to defend our territory and our vital interests. We cannot negotiate with individual terrorists; they must be hunted down and captured or killed. "
http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20071101faessay86601-p10/hillary-rodham-clinton/security-and-opportunity-for-the-twenty-first-century.html
I am certain that message has already been convey and no-one need be ignorant of the fact that Serbia's soverignity is not negotiable and there is no way that UN SC resolution that has been formulated and SIGNED by the US and the "few" EU nor the Helsinki final act can in a "novel" way be by-passed without the greatest level of instability seen for many years erupting across the Balkans and globally.

I do not wish this to be the case but US and UK planners have a very poor judgement call on the repurcussions of their actions as witnessed in Iraq and the on going Serbian province so I would not trust their "insight" into what they believe will bring stability - they said that about Iraq after 4 weeks, then a year, after the second year and still today keep suggesting everthing is wonderful.

Do you trust their insight and more importantly do they ???

Tick,tock,tick, tock. 10 Decemebr is approaching.

Bulgaria has declared today it will recognise an independent state of Kosova. It joins Macedonia, Montenegro, Croatia and Slovenia in the Balkans, not to mention Albania. The US and the EU countries that matter, UK, Germany, France and Italy have already said YES to independence.

YES to independent Kosova;
YES to freedom from ooppression;
YES to self-determination;
YES to chauvenism-free Serbia.

Kosovars needn’t to worry at all. Hungary few months ago was for Ahtisaari plan to be adopted. This article has the question mark at the end so nothing is certain.
But, what is certain is that Hungary is for the end of negotiations, that would mean solution for Kosova and this is very important for the entire population of Kosova.
I totally agree with Princip when he says, No illegal declaration, no illegal recognition, no violence – NATO will act!
There will be no illegal declaration since the declaration of the Independence will be Coordinated with US and EU so the declaration will be Coordinated instead of Illegal thus the Recognition will be not be illegal. This means that if after all this Serbs opt for violence NATO will act. This all will bring to people of Serbia better future since they have only the war criminals to take care of, organised crime, corrupiton, unimployment and than start to integrate with the EU countries where Princip, Jovan …

Peace to all when Christmas comes

I just can’t believe this Hungarians. They have been stolen a large piece of their country Vojvodina and they still (sometimes at least) are ambiguous toward serbia. Just can't understand.

Vuk,

As a non-Albanian I like to call your lost province Kosova in accordance with the appelation of 95% of its inhabitants, the K-Albanians.
If ever it was your womb why did you leave it in big numbers? Already some 600 years ago you had a bishop, who decided to lead some 250,000 Serbs from Kosova to Hungary. The Hungarians foolishly left them in and now they live in minority as second class citizens in Vojvodina. I guess the Serbs thought that no metter how low their number will be they will always have Kosova. I think they badly miscalculated.

Fine Momcilo, we have different views as to how the situation going to develop and it does really matter is it KosovA or KosovO.for some is KosovO for some KosovA.
My posting is talking about the way K-Albanians are engaged to get to Independence nothing else. I know it is hard for current Serbian politicians to accept publicly that Kosova has gone but the world is changing so are the borders in accordance with the self determination
Momcilo,
According to which law Serbia occupied Kosova/o in 1912?
What law allowed Serbia to became country in 1912 and now?
Who created the current state of Serbia?

Whether K-Albanians will end with more opposition or support I don’t know but I know for sure that Kosova/o and majority of it inhabitants will never be part of Serbia again. This is due to the apartheid policies of you country.

Peace to all when Christmas comes

Canadien
Kosovo will have No EU membership, No NATO membership, and No UN seat or World bank membership, plus no Northern Kosovo. Wow sounds like a place I would like to raise my children, get real people!!!

According to non Serbians( since I man not Kosovar) , this is heaven and 100 times better than living in Serbia. Look at K-Serbs and other minority lifes in Serbia. They are not even considered as 2nd class citizens. So, non Serbians inkosva say, bring this is since it is better.

Princip, you have to understand that 1244 was adopted only to stop the war. Reality is much different now. New status settlement with refer to 1244 for those countries that have objection, including Serbia, towards the new status of Kosova. In order to overcome the crisis currently there is no need for UN SC resolution.
Yes there might not be a seat at UN or other International bodies for Kosova right now but there could be one in future. After all, countries that will coordinate the Coordinated Independence will be the ones that will take the lead in Kosova and invest.
I am sure that you understand what am I talking about.

Ron, I don't know why I can't see any serbs in Kosova (now and years befor)? if it is Serbia then there should be Serbs there, don't you think? Ah pls don't tale me the story of cleansing you can not clean ethnically a land that you don't control- there was the Yugo army always in Kosova, how could Albanians clean it ethnically?
Kosova to Kosovars and there will be a peace. Serbia is not able to rule peacefully with kosova IL has tried, pushed and again no peace. Only kosovars can rule peacefully their land, anything else means violence- of course Ron you don't care for that because you Dutch are used to drink with the butchers, remember not so far from kosova? Your moral right to be involved in Balkans, I am sorry to say this, but is a total zero.

Ben,

I don't agree with the Hungarian ambiguity either. At first look it does not make any sense. For different reasons, not least the murder of 40,000 innocent Hungarians of Vojvodina, a clear declaration in favor of Kosova's independence would be in order.
The only explanation I can find is this: The Hungarians know well that Kosova will be independent. They will recognize it once most of the EU countries, the big ones do it. They know also that following Kosova's independence thausands of Serbs will be resettled in mostly Hungarian populated areas in Northern Vojvodina to dilute further the ethnic balance.
Anyway Hungary, Slovakia, Romania, Greece are all small potatoes. Recognition will be decided by the big EU countries.

I find it unimmaginable any Serbian control over Kosova. It is never going to work for Serbia to keep the sovereignity over Kosova. It is a fact that Serbia lost the war over Kosova. It is as simple as that.

to ben:

don´t worry, if you cannot see any Serbs now in Kosovo...

you can bet anything on seeing some Serbs in the future...

the way things are going.. they will come back.

so, Joe, now you are a "non-albanian"? right?

interesting...


but, what I would underline is:

let´s just see who will have miscalculated things in the end...
don´t be to certain about it!

Jovan,

As everybody knows I am a Hungarian-American. For you however I will paraphrase again John F. Kennedy, who with full solidarity with the Berliners announced so proudly "Ich bin a Berliner". On my turn I say "I AM AN ALBANIAN". I wish them independence ASAP and good luck. They will deserve it after so much suffrance. In 1999 they stopped to be second class citizens of Serbia. The Hungarians of Vojvodina are not so lucky.

Hi Vuk. You say.
Kosovo is Serbia its where the country and it's peoples are from, the womb of Serbian civilisation.
I used to think you guys were Slavs that came somewhere from the north east and expanded south. As you say you actually came from the south from Kosova to be precise. Then you expanded north up to Siberia. So Kosova is the womb of the Russian civilisation as well.
Thank you for enlightening me.

Whatever happened albanians didnt win...
Resolution 1244
(Cvele, 14. November 2007 20:00)

No NATO won and NATO will decide...and Hungury will follow the rest of EU

whatever... Hungary was and has always been on Albanians side.

You cant cancel albanian history, they can never betray us, because we never betried them. but serbs have done allways to our common cause. Read history and you will know why?

Joe
I don't agree with you only one thing.
Those 250'000 you mentioned were not from kosova but mostly from the area between Belgrade and Naissus.And for sure not 250'000.Arsenije never leaded them in this "epic procession" that never hapened indeed.

So you guys are all happy.
For something that is not even true. I feel for you. And I am happy for your fake happiness.

We all know things will never be the same and the K Albanians will and should have almost total control of their affairs.
All Serbia wants wants and deserves is a fair shake, which has patently not happened.
A good starting point would be a truth and reconciliation commission and for the truth to be heard.
Olf- i think monorities are a lot better off in Serbia than elsewhere in the region. Serbs are more sensitive to this issue today and are open to all legal and fair suggestions.

TO ALL:

Keep mailing politicians and newspapers all over the world.

Also Albanians: fight for us to stop this illegal independence.

Albanians and Serbs: work together to stop independence!

Anyway Hungary, Slovakia, Romania, Greece are all small potatoes. Recognition will be decided by the big EU countries.
(Joe, 14. November 2007 17:54)

There is no small or big potatoes inside EU. Every member have the same word.
Other way EU cant survive.
Who would like to get invaded voluntarily?

Joe, you mean...you´re so much american as the Albanians in Kosovo are serbian?

I am fine with that, ...but, ...then you will have had some bad feelings with reading that article...right?

where do you live? maybe we can have a beer together?

I mean, as a Hungarian, you are a neighbour...right? =)

Tick,tock,tick, tock. 10 Decemebr is approaching.

Bulgaria has declared today it will recognise an independent state of Kosova. It joins Macedonia, Montenegro, Croatia and Slovenia in the Balkans, not to mention Albania. The US and the EU countries that matter, UK, Germany, France and Italy have already said YES to independence.

YES to independent Kosova;
YES to freedom from ooppression;
YES to self-determination;
YES to chauvenism-free Serbia.

Princip, you have to understand that 1244 was adopted only to stop the war. Reality is much different now. New status settlement with refer to 1244 for those countries that have objection, including Serbia, towards the new status of Kosova. In order to overcome the crisis currently there is no need for UN SC resolution.
Yes there might not be a seat at UN or other International bodies for Kosova right now but there could be one in future. After all, countries that will coordinate the Coordinated Independence will be the ones that will take the lead in Kosova and invest.
I am sure that you understand what am I talking about.

I just can’t believe this Hungarians. They have been stolen a large piece of their country Vojvodina and they still (sometimes at least) are ambiguous toward serbia. Just can't understand.

Fine Momcilo, we have different views as to how the situation going to develop and it does really matter is it KosovA or KosovO.for some is KosovO for some KosovA.
My posting is talking about the way K-Albanians are engaged to get to Independence nothing else. I know it is hard for current Serbian politicians to accept publicly that Kosova has gone but the world is changing so are the borders in accordance with the self determination
Momcilo,
According to which law Serbia occupied Kosova/o in 1912?
What law allowed Serbia to became country in 1912 and now?
Who created the current state of Serbia?

Whether K-Albanians will end with more opposition or support I don’t know but I know for sure that Kosova/o and majority of it inhabitants will never be part of Serbia again. This is due to the apartheid policies of you country.

Peace to all when Christmas comes

Hi Vuk. You say.
Kosovo is Serbia its where the country and it's peoples are from, the womb of Serbian civilisation.
I used to think you guys were Slavs that came somewhere from the north east and expanded south. As you say you actually came from the south from Kosova to be precise. Then you expanded north up to Siberia. So Kosova is the womb of the Russian civilisation as well.
Thank you for enlightening me.

Ben,

I don't agree with the Hungarian ambiguity either. At first look it does not make any sense. For different reasons, not least the murder of 40,000 innocent Hungarians of Vojvodina, a clear declaration in favor of Kosova's independence would be in order.
The only explanation I can find is this: The Hungarians know well that Kosova will be independent. They will recognize it once most of the EU countries, the big ones do it. They know also that following Kosova's independence thausands of Serbs will be resettled in mostly Hungarian populated areas in Northern Vojvodina to dilute further the ethnic balance.
Anyway Hungary, Slovakia, Romania, Greece are all small potatoes. Recognition will be decided by the big EU countries.

Kosovars needn’t to worry at all. Hungary few months ago was for Ahtisaari plan to be adopted. This article has the question mark at the end so nothing is certain.
But, what is certain is that Hungary is for the end of negotiations, that would mean solution for Kosova and this is very important for the entire population of Kosova.
I totally agree with Princip when he says, No illegal declaration, no illegal recognition, no violence – NATO will act!
There will be no illegal declaration since the declaration of the Independence will be Coordinated with US and EU so the declaration will be Coordinated instead of Illegal thus the Recognition will be not be illegal. This means that if after all this Serbs opt for violence NATO will act. This all will bring to people of Serbia better future since they have only the war criminals to take care of, organised crime, corrupiton, unimployment and than start to integrate with the EU countries where Princip, Jovan …

Peace to all when Christmas comes

So you guys are all happy.
For something that is not even true. I feel for you. And I am happy for your fake happiness.

Canadien
Kosovo will have No EU membership, No NATO membership, and No UN seat or World bank membership, plus no Northern Kosovo. Wow sounds like a place I would like to raise my children, get real people!!!

According to non Serbians( since I man not Kosovar) , this is heaven and 100 times better than living in Serbia. Look at K-Serbs and other minority lifes in Serbia. They are not even considered as 2nd class citizens. So, non Serbians inkosva say, bring this is since it is better.

Ron, I don't know why I can't see any serbs in Kosova (now and years befor)? if it is Serbia then there should be Serbs there, don't you think? Ah pls don't tale me the story of cleansing you can not clean ethnically a land that you don't control- there was the Yugo army always in Kosova, how could Albanians clean it ethnically?
Kosova to Kosovars and there will be a peace. Serbia is not able to rule peacefully with kosova IL has tried, pushed and again no peace. Only kosovars can rule peacefully their land, anything else means violence- of course Ron you don't care for that because you Dutch are used to drink with the butchers, remember not so far from kosova? Your moral right to be involved in Balkans, I am sorry to say this, but is a total zero.

I find it unimmaginable any Serbian control over Kosova. It is never going to work for Serbia to keep the sovereignity over Kosova. It is a fact that Serbia lost the war over Kosova. It is as simple as that.

Hungary got a smart leadership.

...and Europe a clear message.


let´s see what future brings!

Vuk,

As a non-Albanian I like to call your lost province Kosova in accordance with the appelation of 95% of its inhabitants, the K-Albanians.
If ever it was your womb why did you leave it in big numbers? Already some 600 years ago you had a bishop, who decided to lead some 250,000 Serbs from Kosova to Hungary. The Hungarians foolishly left them in and now they live in minority as second class citizens in Vojvodina. I guess the Serbs thought that no metter how low their number will be they will always have Kosova. I think they badly miscalculated.

Joe
I don't agree with you only one thing.
Those 250'000 you mentioned were not from kosova but mostly from the area between Belgrade and Naissus.And for sure not 250'000.Arsenije never leaded them in this "epic procession" that never hapened indeed.

Tick, tock, tick, tock...

the US and a few "EU" states have set their own time bomb and it is up to them to diffuse it through the simple respect of International norms and laws Moreover, only they can persuade their puppets that a "negotiated" settlement is actually the best they can deliver and that all previous false promises were just that - false and undeliverable!

The US way backwards at full speed into instability and chaos is starting to dawn on the Europeans and would immediatly question the very exisitance of BiH, FYR Makedonia just in the Balkans alone but what about the rest of the world???

EU unity thus means fully accomodating the views of Slovakia, Cypress, Greece, Malta, Hungary, Romania and Spain and clearly means the end of this folly of independence that the US tried to impose.

Thus come the 11th December there will be;
No Illegal Declaration
No Illegal Recognition
No Violence - NATO will act!

Finally it will have dawn'd upon all the citisens of Serbia that they are in the state they are and need to get on with working in reconcilation with it to make Serbia a better place for all irrespective of Ethnicity.

Peace to all when Christmas comes.

This is promising so far. It seems that climate in EU is changing. Each day we heear some promising news coming from EU countries. One by one of EU countries changes the opinion over Kosovo. The last time even USA has been silent. The Europe finaly begun to wake up. I toast to that name

Whatever happened albanians didnt win...
Resolution 1244
(Cvele, 14. November 2007 20:00)

No NATO won and NATO will decide...and Hungury will follow the rest of EU

whatever... Hungary was and has always been on Albanians side.

You cant cancel albanian history, they can never betray us, because we never betried them. but serbs have done allways to our common cause. Read history and you will know why?

Jovan,

As everybody knows I am a Hungarian-American. For you however I will paraphrase again John F. Kennedy, who with full solidarity with the Berliners announced so proudly "Ich bin a Berliner". On my turn I say "I AM AN ALBANIAN". I wish them independence ASAP and good luck. They will deserve it after so much suffrance. In 1999 they stopped to be second class citizens of Serbia. The Hungarians of Vojvodina are not so lucky.

Joe, you mean...you´re so much american as the Albanians in Kosovo are serbian?

I am fine with that, ...but, ...then you will have had some bad feelings with reading that article...right?

where do you live? maybe we can have a beer together?

I mean, as a Hungarian, you are a neighbour...right? =)

Hmm, one moment they are told to toe the line, another their real view slips out....

Olf,

You wrote it won't be an illegal declaration?? There are several countries inside the EU, and outside of Europe, including China, that won't recognize Kosovo's independance without a UN resolution. Claiming independance is illegal according to international laws, policies, and the UN resolution set forth. You will also have no EU unity. It will possibly be the US and their puppets recognizing independance, however how far they want to take it could severely jeopardize the makeup of UN and several international policies. While the US may say they are all for it, Russia and China, the other 2 world superpowers will not be.

Olf, you mention violence? Kosovo is full of guerilla armies, and criminals, most of them come from Albania. HOpefully Serbia can clean that up, because that infested country of Albania is where all those people came from. Albania is a poor country, crime rate is high, politics are corrupt, and you have the nerve to mention Serbian mobs?? When's the last time someone took a vacation to Albania?

Lastly..
The Albanians in the end will have more opposition than support, and if they threaten violence, they will have much more of a reason to be put down this time. I am for peace myself, but if their guerilla armies start threatening, I think they need to be contained immediately.. and it's not Kosova, it's Kosovo. Remember that.

mospyt... where do you get your information from? Albania Nazi Times?

Hungary is against illegal unilateral Kosovo independence, so is Romania, Greece, Cypress and Bulgaria as well as Sweden, Spain, Ireland and possibly Germany, and these are just the EU countries, then we have Russia, India, Turkey, China, almost all of South America, the Caribbean Islands and South Africa, don't be fooled to thing Slovenia, Montenegro, Bosnia or Croatia as being for Kosovo independence because in the end Russian energy pressure will be too much for these Former Yugoslav Republics to go against. The fact is that its not looking good for the Albanians if they think they can get independence based on the support of the USA, UK, France, Italy and maybe Canada and Germany and I must say its a BIG maybe for Germany and Canada. Kosovo will have No EU membership, No NATO membership, and No UN seat or World bank membership, plus no Northern Kosovo. Wow sounds like a place I would like to raise my children, get real people!!!

Olf,

without a new UN SC Resolution replacing 1244 any act of independence be it unilateral or coordinated is ILLEGAL and the UNMIK is obliged to immediatly act against it irrespective of the US coordination - evem less likely is the EU to take on the UNMIK role when they have such a dubious legal issue - one EU veto out of 27 is all that is required to halt the whole coordination and that is something you seem to ignore at your peril! If Serbia needs to step up the diplomatic offensive after 10th Decemebr it will but it will do so only as far others realise that jaw-jaw is required and we all now what happens when jaw-jaw stops - for the Balkans a signal is the winter thaw and that is when patience will have run very thin for the Soverign and UN recognised State of Serbia....

All of you with your clocks are making me laugh because if your all waiting for Dec 10th as some sort of "Indepdance day" (pardon the cliche) then I think you shall be rudely awakened when you relise that Kosovo's problem is not going away that easily.

First and foremost I would like to say the use of the word "Kosova"
http://opinionleaders.htmlplanet.com/koskosova.html
is a very interesting and relates directly to the mentality of sepratist Albanians or the non-existant word "Kosovars".

Serbia cannot exist without Kosovo, its that simple you might aswell pack up Serbia alltogether give a bit to the Muslims and the Croats and that will be the end of Serbia.

Kosovo is Serbia its where the country and it's peoples are from, the womb of Serbian civilisation.

This is the begging and not the end

Kosovo is Serbian. And the Hungarians know that!

Anyway Hungary, Slovakia, Romania, Greece are all small potatoes. Recognition will be decided by the big EU countries.
(Joe, 14. November 2007 17:54)

Joe, these small potatoes as you call them along with larger potatoes have all but STOPPED any prospect of Kosovo independence. The USA has a history of supporting a side and than when things get dirty, they leave... Look at Vietnam, Somalia, Ethiopia and the list goes on and on, look at what their support has done in Iraq. If your independence depends on the USA then be prepared for a terrible reality, because in the end the Americans are far more concerned about getting Russia’s support against Iran than they are concerned about Kosovo's independence, they will trade Kosovo in a blink of an eye if Russia suggest it, and Russia will if they must, they have a lot at stake here too, they must not appear weak again as they did in 1999 because their political survival depends on them being strong, no Russian politician wants to explain to their people why they were beat again, especially now that they have retained their power status in the world. Once the USA takes a step back from independence after December 10 then the rest of the few remaining supporters will back-off too! The Albanians have too much against them to win this, just to name a few things >> Serbia’s unified will to keep Kosovo, a new and strong Russia's support for Serbia and the biggest obstacle of all for the Albanians is International Law!

EA
I find it unimmaginable any Serbian control over Kosova. It is never going to work for Serbia to keep the sovereignity over Kosova. It is a fact that Serbia lost the war over Kosova. It is as simple as that.
(EA, 14. November 2007 19:41)

Whatever happened albanians didnt win...
Resolution 1244

to ben:

don´t worry, if you cannot see any Serbs now in Kosovo...

you can bet anything on seeing some Serbs in the future...

the way things are going.. they will come back.

so, Joe, now you are a "non-albanian"? right?

interesting...


but, what I would underline is:

let´s just see who will have miscalculated things in the end...
don´t be to certain about it!

Olf,

"Princip, you have to understand that 1244 was adopted only to stop the war."

- exactly I do understand that 1244 is what maintains the peace and now the US and a "few" EU countries wish to rip this up and your happy for that!

But what will it bring other then reverse the clock to the point before the 10th June 1999?

If Serbia is now being told 1244 no longer applies then guess what NATO troops remove their legality with regards their prescence on Soverign Serbian territory. There is no having your cake and eating it US position on this matter the logic is Rip up and ignore what you signed in 1244 and you immediatly have to pull out all "OCCUPYING" troops and what happens then ? Is this really what you want ? Think it all through I am only too aware and too prepared for any ILLEGAL force against the UN recognised state of Serbia - is the US really ready to force its foreign policy on another soverign state and wage an illegal war in 2008? Who else will want to US poodles in a new war front? US credibility will be shot to bits there will be sane and "legal" EU position to maintain solidaity with the US on this - the US will be a war monger and seen as such on a Global scale and everyone will lose the last ounce of trust in the US.

Serbia will allow diplomacy the last chance but I am certain that Serbia's President Tadic can echo some words from a US Presidential "maybe"

"As president, I will never hesitate to use force to protect "Serbian" or to defend our territory and our vital interests. We cannot negotiate with individual terrorists; they must be hunted down and captured or killed. "
http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20071101faessay86601-p10/hillary-rodham-clinton/security-and-opportunity-for-the-twenty-first-century.html
I am certain that message has already been convey and no-one need be ignorant of the fact that Serbia's soverignity is not negotiable and there is no way that UN SC resolution that has been formulated and SIGNED by the US and the "few" EU nor the Helsinki final act can in a "novel" way be by-passed without the greatest level of instability seen for many years erupting across the Balkans and globally.

I do not wish this to be the case but US and UK planners have a very poor judgement call on the repurcussions of their actions as witnessed in Iraq and the on going Serbian province so I would not trust their "insight" into what they believe will bring stability - they said that about Iraq after 4 weeks, then a year, after the second year and still today keep suggesting everthing is wonderful.

Do you trust their insight and more importantly do they ???

We all know things will never be the same and the K Albanians will and should have almost total control of their affairs.
All Serbia wants wants and deserves is a fair shake, which has patently not happened.
A good starting point would be a truth and reconciliation commission and for the truth to be heard.
Olf- i think monorities are a lot better off in Serbia than elsewhere in the region. Serbs are more sensitive to this issue today and are open to all legal and fair suggestions.

TO ALL:

Keep mailing politicians and newspapers all over the world.

Also Albanians: fight for us to stop this illegal independence.

Albanians and Serbs: work together to stop independence!

Anyway Hungary, Slovakia, Romania, Greece are all small potatoes. Recognition will be decided by the big EU countries.
(Joe, 14. November 2007 17:54)

There is no small or big potatoes inside EU. Every member have the same word.
Other way EU cant survive.
Who would like to get invaded voluntarily?