Balkan Peoples do not forget the atrocities perpetrated by the Albanians in WWII and more recently against Serbs and others. They are again poised to commit horrors just as they hae been committing since the 80s.
Well, I can see clearly that the posters have deviated the topic into Germany, meanwhile the focus was on ANA. Anyways I feel responsible to make some things clear here:
1. Germany payed the price to the greatest extend for about WWII
2. We did apologize, and that what happened was never repeated again, nor it was considered as patriotism.
But I do see Serbs wearing Karadzic T-Shirts, and the latter being sold in front and in Churches (“I don’t know if you guys know that churches should be used to promote the peace and love, but I guess down there they serve different”), I see Serbs being proud of they did in Bosnia, Kosovo, Croatia,… and yet they are the innocent ones, and everybody else being blamed so now tell me the definition of word hypocrisy that you seem to like it so much ?! I guess everybody else in Balkans is wrong but Serb, perhaps you were the selected ones, the ones that must either rule or fight the others, well go on with your patriotism, meanwhile Germany is the most developed country in EU and the no. 1 exporter in the world, but I do not want to promote my country here as it is not the right place and there is no need to, but please don’t compare Germany with Serbia rather stay in the scope of the topic.
Besim - Jovan I advice you and other serbs to read the book called "KOSOVO A SHORT HISTORY" writen by NOEL MALCOLM you will see there some facts and some advice for you serbs it's not albanian book. its book that tells the truth for serbs and albanaska terroristiqki seperatistiqki lol that's how you serbs like to call us.
calling us terrorist because we fight for our own land the "MOTHERLAND".
You should do your homwork more diligently. Anyone who has access to UK tv knows this man has no other purpose than being the mouthpiece of NATO. He recently denounced the Kurds as being evil people deserving everything they get from the Turks.
The Kurds and the Albanians are in a similar position so how come he has polar opposite views on both conflicts.
Also, he decided to tell UK viewers that it was the Serbs, not the Croatian Ustache, who were allied with the Nazi's in WWII.
If that isn't propaganda of the highest order i don't know what is.
What else do you have to present as "evidence" so i can shoot that down in flames as well.
"I don't know who are the terrorists. The killing of thousands of Croats, the massacres in Bosnia, the massacres in Kosovo. Hypocrites to the core you people are."
(James Wattson, 13. November 2007 16:18)
I beg your pardon james? Who are you referring to as a hypocrite? Is it the fact that croatians and bosnians "ethnically cleansed" 350,000+ serbs during world war 2, or was it that ante pavlic - the leader of the ustase who were responsible for those killings, just so miraculously slipped through british patrol points, only then to be accepted as one of the head popes at the vatican.... or maybe the hypocrites are the americans who play the innocent game, while shelling us for 78 days straight with depleted uranium, while at the same time we are being murded and attacked by seperatists, people who are stealing the land illegally by force. Maybe you also forget the serbian state of krajina, which now is croatian... and how do you suppose that they took that without anyone saying anything? 100,000 + people died during the balkan wars, according to you and the rest of the COMPLETELY WESTERN MEDIA who covered the war (against us at the time) suppose that no serbs where victims? It is because you, the albanians and the rest of the western world are a bunch of hypocrites. We offer Albanians autonomy of such a broad spectrum, as that it has never been seen before, and yet they still demand full independence? They all expect the serbs to compromise, well what in the proverbial fires of hell are the albanian kosovO leaders doing? They press for nothing more than war. Those terrorists patrol Northern KosovO with AK-47's, harrassing serbs, while the KFOR does nothing at all. KFOR claims that anyone who poses a threat to peace will be killed.... well wow what are these idiots doing? ANA? Like the ones who burned down monastaries dating back to as early as the 14th century, not to mention the countless times they have vandalized the graves of serbs. They are a disgrace as people. They are complete filth. Im not a racist, i have plenty of friends who are even bosnians and croatians... people are all the same, yet these arent people.
PeGgy I'm not sure if my logic does not work or it's other way around.
Serbs right now should worry about Vojvodina, kosovo is gone already I hope you guys have learned something in Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, and Kosovo. so i hope u guys don't mess it up again.
I feel really bad that serbia couldn't bring serbs that left croatia and other place to sattle them in Kosovo.
they failed to do that because we albanians reacted fast.
most of those people who were pushed to come in kosovo were brought without their premission they were force to come to kosovo so serbs would be 20% of overall population.
you serbs know that even in 1912 majority of people in kosovo were albanians since 1867 lidhja prizerenit, and on we kep't fighting.
1999 was the time when international community said: stop we made a mistake in kosovo and we got to correct it not they are trying to do just that correct their own mistake that they decited to give kosovo to serbia in 1913.
Jovan I advice you and other serbs to read the book called "KOSOVO A SHORT HISTORY" writen by NOEL MALCOLM you will see there some facts and some advice for you serbs it's not albanian book. its book that tells the truth for serbs and albanaska terroristiqki seperatistiqki lol that's how you serbs like to call us.
calling us terrorist because we fight for our own land the "MOTHERLAND".
There is something that people forget to mention here.
Albanians were the first inhabitants of Kosova and they still are the main inhabitants of Kosova (92% by now).
Second, Slavs came on the VI century and built some churches. Turks came later on and built some mosques. Albanians - still there.
Third, if Serbs wanna claim any land in Kosova, they should talk with Turks who maybe think that Kosova belongs to them since they built mosques.
Fourth, while Serbs and Turks built churches and mosques, Albanians built houses for them and their offspring. Serbs and Turks came, built something, looked at the sky a few times, didn't like the harsh terrain and conditions, and left. Albanians had children and stayed. The land belonged, belongs, and will belong to them. The sky is for everyone to enjoy.
To the individual who popped up out of NOWHERE called USA -
Please note that although you may believe that we (the Serbs) should give up KosovO as it's a lost cause - let me point a couple of US embarassments -
*what about Katrina & the tax payer's dollars - has that been rebuilt (another lost cause).
*the war in the middle east as well as the infamous WMD of your president - yet another lost cause.
*the immigration policy & the people responsible for allowing terrorists into the USA - Mohammad Atta was granted US citizenship three to six months AFTER he flew a hijacked plane into the World Trade Center.
Why should anyone listen to YOU? All of a sudden "USA" pops up on the B92 commentary boards - When you give up Texas to the Mexicans, then come back & post!
what a great piece of propaganda you are presenting.... everyone is speaking straight about everything is happening, like is a black and white scenario(i am not sure about defining who is the black and the white - serbia or Kosov@). How in the world you guys know that your information is the "true" one. because when you were in elementary school a harsh teacher was lecturing the history of Balkans in accordance with the political guidance. Or because for 20 years you were following a/some serbian medias that were blindly representing some specific agenda regarding the nations in this boiling regions called not without a reason Balkans. And then what, for inertia you have to follow the same line, just because is too difficult to accept that probably you were wrong from the beggining ... tell me the source of your information about history, media, or even philosophy. Watch out from PROPAGANDA people... especially when you are used on that. Be open minded (I am talking about both sides)... and try to estimate with coldblood the situation that is going on. I am albanian... I was feeling so sad today that I saw a video in youtube about some albanians extremists covered with AKA attire... i hated that however is not a surprise that such groups exists. They are manipulated as well... In this sense I would like to see a serb to hate the extremists as well... being a nationalist in this circumstances not necessary means to be extremist, fashist, muhajedin or whatever... lets love our country but lets love people more than that ...
zimmerman,
You germans are by far the best and most efficient at whatever youre talking about. I guess you are happy that Albanians are doing in Serbia what Germans failed to do. Eliminate Serbs! Congrads, you have so much to be "proud" of.
I think you need to do some self reflection. If it wasn't for the Germans and Ottomans there wouldn't be these problems in the Balkans. Think about that.
To Zimmerman: Dude, you have no idea who are you dealing with... Why are they arming themselves in Macedonia then? There was a big police action there recently where a lot of heavy weapons were colected. Did Serbians do that also? What's wrong with the Albanians in Macedonia? does anyone bothers them? They can do anything they want and they are still not happy. Let's also not forget that KLA at the beggining was a leftist guerila force with all the comunist markings, but only after Mr. Holdurk instructed them, they changed their way of acting. They will never accept anything less then independance and i can understand that, you can't go back now. What Serbia needs to do now is to negotiate division of kosovo, exchange of population in southern serbia and concentrate on getting Republic of Serbska from Bosnia. Kosovo is a lost cause, let them have it.
Laura, keep dreaming, independence, I can't stop laughing. Dardania, please my side hurts! But all kidding a side the independence thing is just a dream. Autonomy, well now that's more realistic.
Zimmerman says..."according to some important sources these people are being payed by Serbian authorities to create a chaos, or "to make Serbs feel as they are endangered'
Please share factual information with us.
Thomas Gambill, a former security chief with the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE), was responsible for overseeing the eastern region of Gjilane in Kosovo from 1999 until 2004 under the authority of the U.N. Gambill warned his U.N. superiors that the newly formed paramilitary group, the Albanian National Army, was "highly dangerous and skilled" and operating in Kosovo as well as northwestern Macedonia. But those warnings, he said, were also met with disbelief. Within months, the Albanian National Army was taking credit for terrorist attacks, prompting the U.N. to acknowledge the group's existence.
Gambill also said, "My biggest concern has always been the incursion of radical Islam into the area," said Gambill. "They're making preparations in Macedonia for terrorist attacks against internationals if Kosovo is not granted independence."
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/9/27/101219.shtml
Hey Besim, it's funny how the countries all around the so-called Albanian lands have the same history of the Balkans but the Albanians, you guys have a different version. But all of our history is wrong except for yours. Doesn't that sound strange, you guys are right and we all are wrong. I think your history books are wrong and that Ilirian thing, well it's played out and still has to be proven with solid evidence, and the Albanian history books don't count.
James "Wattson" - i see you are talking about the USA.
KASTRIOTI - Frustrated? By what? Because you want independence? Whay should we give you exactly what you want? You are on Serbian territory. talk about partitioning the province and you might go somewhere to gaining independence. trying to maintani the Serbian part as well - dream no, you'll never get a UN seat or recognition that way.
Dane - the group "provoking disorder" are the Albanian. Not only did they provoke it in Serbia, starting the Kosovo war, but you are now using terrorism in Macedonia and Montenegro.
Teni - i agree that we ca't live together, so why do you Albanians insist on keeping the northern part of Kosovo where the Serbs live?
"Zimmerman" - why do you have a claim to the northern part of Kosovo? It's populated by Serbs not Albanians!
“what they are best at? Oh, yes we know what they are best at!” - laughable. Remind me, what did the UN say about Kosovo and it's ALbanian administration? corrupt, lawless, economic disaster, economy fuelled by drugs, people smuggling and prostitution.
Besim - "I said we don't want yours because we have ours and we are proud of it, we have on of the best cultures and lungages and we are proud of it." Such great culture that you didn't even bother to have a written language until 100 years ago.
Hey Zimmerman, I'm sure we ALL know what Deutschland was best at also & they get first prize at it. Does WW2 ring a bell or are they still in denial. Don't be a hypocrite Zimmerman. The Serbs were defending themselves and their homes in all the wars. If Deutschland was breaking apart do you think the government would let them? Doubt it. Lets say KosovO gets it's independence, & North KosovO wants to break away and become independent, what should Pristina do? Does the majority in North Kosovo have a right to self determination? Will Pristina let them go peacefully? Or deny them? I have more questions but answer these first.
Besim, Your logic doesn't work.
"Just because you built churches doesn't make it your land and the Turks built mosques so it makes it their land."
For the millionth time, the Turks invaded, occupied and forcefully converted people to Islam. Eventually they were expelled.
The Serbs did not invade, occupy and forcefully convert anyone to Christianity. They settled that land centuries ago. Kosovo was built on settlement and not invasion, which means you were not there to invade and to be cleansed.
Are you comparing Serbs to Turks?
I've heard of the Ottoman Empire but not Serbian Empire.
On the contrary, Serbs were the ones who were invaded and not the other way around.
educate yourself... todays Albanians came to the Balkans at the same time as the Serbs did. you are not the descendant of the illyrians, no matter how hard you believe it!
all in all, you guys make a really sad impression!
instead of coming to reason, you still try the old, ineffectual tactics...
(Momcil,)
Please!! you don't make any sense my friend.
"where half of them came illegally, to our country in seek of a better life, and now want independance?"
They didn't came ligaly or illigaly they were there my friend. no sense they came to poorest country for a better life right? lol.
you Serbs are just studying the wrong history books.
I live in USA, I meet a guy from Serbia, and we were talking about Kosovo. I said what do you think about Kosovo:
He said " we are just angry with you albanians because we opponed the borders with albania and we let you just come in kosovo and no you guys want independence.
I said my friend: borders between Albania and kosovo were closed almost since 1912 even a flyers could not pass thru.
then he said: ah okay but why u just want your own flag and own culture and own lungage and not ours.
I said we don't want yours because we have ours and we are proud of it, we have on of the best cultures and lungages and we are proud of it.
If you serbs think kosovo is urs just because u came there and build up churches, then what about turkey who came there and build, "MOSKES" Should they argue that albania and kosovo is their Land::????
Well done ANA well done, I am sure if you put your toys down some Serb official would shake your hands for promoting Serbia's defense of its land and freedom.
I can't wait to see what NATO does in response to this, ANA patrolling the border? Ah ho ho ho...I am sure UNMIK will take that very well...
Well, its as if its a big deal. Its not, we know these groups exist. Who knows whether the intention is to try to apply pressure or which political party ANA is tied to. In Kosovo there are few secrets so I'm sure somebody knows... But do they know whether ANA might develop its own 'ideas' and be uncontrolable at some point???
Teni I dont think it has to be that way with Serbs and Albanians on Kosovo. I mean personally speaking I'm quite willing to put everything up to debate on the issue and without the quasi history lessons, emotional blackmail and so on.
The problem from my perspective and those similarly minded is that primarliy Kosovo Albanians dont want to compromise.
There is always a compromise, a way of finding a solution so I dont agree with you about the sentiments of Albanians. (though of course I know they wont be happy to compromise)
The real problem on the Albanian side with this is that your politicians are petrified of losing badly in future elections if they take home a compromise proposal.
A hypothetical, ok this wont happen but its worth considering the Albanian position. If hundreds of billions were promised for Kosovo (from the US, Russia, wherever) to ignite the Kosovo economy and to employ hundreds of thousands of Kosovo citizens - upon condition of accepting this Hong Kong model, it would still be rejected by Albanians.
That bone minded stupidity would be excruciating for me if I were a Kosovo Albanian with that kind of offer. One must always look at the reality, the future, the benefit, despite what happened.
You could pose the same question in reverse for Serbian EU membership in return for giving up Kosovo. But its not the same. Using this Hong Kong model the chances are Kosovo Albanians will still win but in a decade or so. That EU choice for Serbia would be to legally give up on Kosovo for ever.
Well according to some important sources these people are being payed by Serbian authorities to create a chaos, or "to make Serbs feel as they are endangered", so that they can claim the N. Mitrovica with a good pretext.
Problem yet is with Albanians, and the very ones in this site. How come you never grow up? This is a trick, ANA is not initiative from people of Kosovo but rather a trap door, don't go for it, it won't work. Why on earth Albanians would want to organize such a group? Things are moving well for them, and most EU countries are recognizing independence (yes, including Deutschland, so by this I mean big players), US is by your side too. So I have strong arguments to believe that this group is fueled by Serbs, just to create a chaos and perhaps claim the northern part, as the things are not moving well for the Serbs.
Have patience and thing will work out, remember the huge Bondsteelbase standing there, it was not build for nothing, do you believe that Americans and international community after so much investment will back off and let the Serbs take over and do “what they are best at? Oh, yes we know what they are best at!”
"We will get our independence and in case you have missed it we are not really asking Serbia to grant it to us.
(teni, 13. November 2007 18:10)"
But you are asking the US and UK to give it to you!
What if they are not prepared to follow their "promises" to the albanians, what if its more important for them to get the "west" to side with them in the upcoming attacks/war on Iran?
I can understand your support for the albanian cause, of course I understand them, but I don't support them. But sometimes you can't get everything you want. I am sure that Tibet, BAsque, Northern Cyprus wants "independence" to , but its not going to happen.
What if you are wrong on betting it all on one bet, the support of the US, if you lose that bet, what are you going to do then?
Wouldn't a EU governed Hong-Kong solution with albanian citizenship/id:s/drivers license/passport but still within Serbia be better than an Northern Cyprus-style independence be? You would still not be ruled from Belgrade, but you are not ruled from Pristina now either, the west rules you now.
We are talking about a terrorist organization threatening to secure the existence of a Greater Albania with the aid of violence, then we have this chap here saying:
"Be sure that we are nor prepared to, as you call, get “something”! Nothing less than full independence, now after these talks not even so called “Ahtisari’s independence”, but real full independence, without any international supervision or control, unless previously agreed about some kind of presence of international community. So, you people, get start living in independent Kosova, rather than proposing endless negotiations.
(predictor, 13. November 2007 17:42)"
And people with this sort of mentality will be walking the streets in the EU? I for one know for a fact I don't want my kids to grow up with such extremism around them. This sort of mentality belongs in the Middle East, not in Europe. So what, if let's say you will be in the EU and Kosovo doesn't agree with some EU resolution, then what? Your terrorists will start blowing up cars and cafes in European cities? In Europe we negotiate, we don't threaten.
Before any other Balkan country is let into the EU, all war criminals must be caught and all terrorists disarmed/arrested/shot.
Sure guys, go right ahead. Jeopardize your money link with Washington and ruin everything for the diplomats in Pristina with your "idealism". Pathetic.
Momcilo
When I read comments like yours - or you mine perhaps - I become a bit depressed because I understand that it will take a very, very long time for our people, which are neighbors after all, to have any sort of normal relations with each other. On an individual level that works somehow, but as soon as Kosova is mentioned we are all ready to jump at each other's throats. On the other hand all this hostility makes me feel a bit better - in some strange sense - because I know that because of it K-Albanians will never, ever agree to live in the country called Serbia again however high the price we'll have to pay to achieve independence; it should also make you understand that it makes no sense for Serbia to want Kosova back.
We will get our independence and in case you have missed it we are not really asking Serbia to grant it to us. The asking phase was finished when the guns started doing the talking and now things have gone way too far for K-Albanians to go back. There is too much bad blood between us for that. No Albanian can ever agree to living in a country that still refers to them as emigrants or whatever. Count yourself lucky if you get to keep the Northern Serb inhabited bit.
JAMES WATTSON said: "I don't know who are the terrorists. The killing of thousands of Croats, the massacres in Bosnia, the massacres in Kosovo. Hypocrites to the core you people are."
I don't know too who the terrorists are.
The killing of thousands of Serbs by Croats in WW2 and in Krajna, the massacres against Serbs by mujahedin bosnian muslims, Turks, Iranians, Arabs etc. in Bosnia, the massacres by UCK in Kosovo. Hypocrites to the core you people are........
Back to the topic.
Well, no matter how many albanian terror groups will be created, this time the Serbs will be ready to "respond" if they will be asked for.
So, Albanians should think twice before they start terrorising and killing Serbian kids again.
"Be sure that we are nor prepared to, as you call, get “something”! Nothing less than full independence"
that attitude will get to the middle east, but not to europe.
because all who live with that kind of attitude belong in the middle east not in europe. im sure in due time someone much more relevatn than me, from that europe, will let you know about this :)
Serbs from Northern Kosovo should orginaze well to defend Northern part and I am sure that they will be backed by Serbs from Serbia.
Brumsilda said.
Do you realise what you are inviting your people to do?
Do you need blood for your living?
Now I can understand each and every comment you made in this site.
(AS TIA,
"We shall defend this land to the last soldier," the ANA leader told the AP late Sunday after what the agency describes as "a ceremony for new recruits in a mountainous area of northern Kosovo." -KLA SOLDIER
plan is large-scale demonstrations in support of declaration of Kosovo's independence, and the protest might develop into violence, similar to that of March 2004. - POSSIBLE SCENARIO
So, AS TIA, what is not clear. As far as I know threats are coming from Albanians. I just suggested that Serbs should not rely on KFOR becuase KFOR obviously cannot be trusted after March 2004. Therefore, Serbs should defend themselves and see nothing wrong with that. Or you maybe suggest that Serbs should stay calm and let KLA and others to slaughter them as for dessert. Or you think maybe that only Albanians have exclusive right on slef defence. AS TIA your dear KLA is threat for Serbs, for those few thousands Serbs that had courage to stay.
predictor.... a little history for you. Serbs fought the Turks and won their freedom, while the Albanians (predominantly Christian at the time) converted to Islam. Now they want to create their Islamic state on Serbian soil. You say accept nothing less than independance?! That is absurd. They should take autonomy while they can. SERBIA WILL NOT RECOGNIZE INDEPENDANCE. You need to start understanding this and you might sleep better at night. And it's not Kosova, it's Kosovo. Learn to spell and pronounce. I suggest you pull out a couple of history books, encylopedia's, whatever you can, and familiarize yourself with why Kosovo is filled with Albanians, and who the Albanians were beforehand. SERBS HAVE NEVER BACKED DOWN TO ANYONE, AND THEY WON'T NOW. Take autonomy and learn to live peacefully under Serbian borders.
Smile, you said:
“so negotiate like civilized people and lets all gain something.”
Be sure that we are nor prepared to, as you call, get “something”! Nothing less than full independence, now after these talks not even so called “Ahtisari’s independence”, but real full independence, without any international supervision or control, unless previously agreed about some kind of presence of international community. So, you people, get start living in independent Kosova, rather than proposing endless negotiations.
Serbs from Northern Kosovo should orginaze well to defend Northern part and I am sure that they will be backed by Serbs from Serbia.
Brumsilda said.
Do you realise what you are inviting your people to do?
Do you need blood for your living?
Now I can understand each and every comment you made in this site.
Experience is telling that military/paramilitary groups of each side more can harm than bring solutions for political questions and issues in this moment.
I would kindly ask both Serbs and Albanians who are not living in Kosovo to not enkindle such groups and approach because finally they won't lose anything and the real losers will be Kosovars no matter of ethnicity...
I only wonder how prudent will be Serbs and Serbia knowing their intentions to provoke disorders in Kosovo and regions inhabited by Albanians in other region countriess?!?!?!
James, in case you have forgotten, Serbs were also victims during the Yugoslav war of the 90s. No one is being a hypocrite here. Do we see Serbian terror groups actively patrolling in Kosovo? No.
Jovan wrote: let´s see what future brings! ( and of course that the moderate Albanians prevail and do not get impressed by that kind of idiotism represented by those part-time rambo´s
-Jovan
I do not think that they are weekend warriors. They are idealistic ones.
Moderates will not prevail because they are sitting in warm offices and been unable to deliver. These guys most likely will get more support. Kosova's people are frustrated with Serbia. I think that internationals will act against Serbia's frustrating hesitance to recognize the loss of Kosova. If that does not happen, I am afraid that majority of Albanians (all of Albanians) will join these forces and real chaos will take place. I am against chaos, but Albanians are left without any other seriouz choices to act with. I hope that Kosova will gain independence without blood of any nationality. All I can do is hope. Serbia on the other hand can do a LOT!!!
pure pressure tactic from pristina and possibly some western friends. talk about desparate, hows this for desparate. is bringing back kla and threatening war what the albanian position has been reduced to? and connecting it to the tsar lazar nonsense story, where you have a dozen weirdos in old army uniforms, tsk, tsk. the lazar fellas may be outlawed by unmik, but ana is terrorist, also by unmik. spot the difference. and i would really like to see the lazar fellas patrol anything, to give our coppers 15 minute worth of exercise to send them to the slammer :)
on that note, what is kps doing about these terrorists?
the times have changed. this is not 1997, 98, 99. albanians will not get what they want threatening war and killing policemen, not least because now they would have to attack unmik ones. negotiate instead and be reasonable. there is no consensus among us and russia, or inside eu to give you what you want. so negotiate like civilized people and lets all gain something.
I don't know who are the terrorists. The killing of thousands of Croats, the massacres in Bosnia, the massacres in Kosovo. Hypocrites to the core you people are.
Serbs should not rely on KFOR since they are not capable of protecting anyone. Serbs from Northern Kosovo should orginaze well to defend Northern part and I am sure that they will be backed by Serbs from Serbia. That is very possible to do. Serbs just should not trust KFOR for not a one moment. Perhaps Serbia is ready for this scenario and has good plan. Obviously Albanians do not change strategy, always the same way, demonstrations, teriffying and slaughtering as a dessert.
I think that the publicity this group is receiving goes way beyond its real stature. In any case given the times we are going through the appearance of the ANA and the Czar Lazar Guard do not herald any positive developments, but just more trouble to come. I would be the first to support resistance to any military intervention in Kosova by Serbia, but that is a job for NATO, the KPC and the former KLA; we do not need additional groups trying to get publicity. And as things stand they are doing more harm than good by raising tensions.
I congratulate K-Albanian politicians for distancing themselves from the ANA, but I am afraid that the longer the situation in Kosova remain uncertain the better these groups are gonna fare.
Teni, the ANA patrolling borders is exactly what the Albanian side doesn't want to see. The KLA is a terrorist organization, and NATO can't march into Serbia this time with half the world not supporting it. Not to mention the scrutiny NATO received last time around for bombing Serbia, I think they'll be a bit more careful this time. Plus Russia may intervene as well. Sorry to say, but this time around there will be no excuses. Kosovo is Serbian land, if the KFOR units can't disarm them, I'm all for Serbian forces reentering the area. The land is Serbian Land. If there are groups with gunmen forming, I don't care if they're ANA, KLA, or anything else, they need to be disarmed, and arrested. They should throw them out of the country to where they came from. They won't dictate anything on Serbian land. They should all be thrown into a jail, and released eventually with the understanding that either they live in Serbia, which Kosovo is part of, or go to Albania, or some other country that satisfies them. I'm sick of hearing about 2 million people without a voice!!! Yes, 2 million people where half of them came illegally, to our country in seek of a better life, and now want independance??!!! Serbia will never allow an independant Kosovo, it doesn't matter what anyone else in the world believes. Britain, US, France, and even if Russia was for it, it doesn't matter the SErbs will never agree.
""We are extremely dissatisfied with our political leaders," the commander of the ANA Second Zone, who introduced himself as Preka, was quoted by he newspaper"
although he must be very desperate to believe that his weekend-fighters could prevent anything... I must say that at least in regard of his "political leaders" he has every reason not to be satisfied.
they are promising all and everything.
let´s see what future brings! ( and of course that the moderate Albanians prevail and do not get impressed by that kind of idiotism represented by those part-time rambo´s )
And i would like to say to this loosers-please get a job.No one cares about your couse anymore and there is a world that protects Serbs and other non albanian from you this time,so stop taking pictures and making yourselves victims this time.It won`t work.
""We are extremely dissatisfied with our political leaders," the commander of the ANA Second Zone, who introduced himself as Preka, was quoted by he newspaper"
although he must be very desperate to believe that his weekend-fighters could prevent anything... I must say that at least in regard of his "political leaders" he has every reason not to be satisfied.
they are promising all and everything.
let´s see what future brings! ( and of course that the moderate Albanians prevail and do not get impressed by that kind of idiotism represented by those part-time rambo´s )
And i would like to say to this loosers-please get a job.No one cares about your couse anymore and there is a world that protects Serbs and other non albanian from you this time,so stop taking pictures and making yourselves victims this time.It won`t work.
James, in case you have forgotten, Serbs were also victims during the Yugoslav war of the 90s. No one is being a hypocrite here. Do we see Serbian terror groups actively patrolling in Kosovo? No.
Teni, the ANA patrolling borders is exactly what the Albanian side doesn't want to see. The KLA is a terrorist organization, and NATO can't march into Serbia this time with half the world not supporting it. Not to mention the scrutiny NATO received last time around for bombing Serbia, I think they'll be a bit more careful this time. Plus Russia may intervene as well. Sorry to say, but this time around there will be no excuses. Kosovo is Serbian land, if the KFOR units can't disarm them, I'm all for Serbian forces reentering the area. The land is Serbian Land. If there are groups with gunmen forming, I don't care if they're ANA, KLA, or anything else, they need to be disarmed, and arrested. They should throw them out of the country to where they came from. They won't dictate anything on Serbian land. They should all be thrown into a jail, and released eventually with the understanding that either they live in Serbia, which Kosovo is part of, or go to Albania, or some other country that satisfies them. I'm sick of hearing about 2 million people without a voice!!! Yes, 2 million people where half of them came illegally, to our country in seek of a better life, and now want independance??!!! Serbia will never allow an independant Kosovo, it doesn't matter what anyone else in the world believes. Britain, US, France, and even if Russia was for it, it doesn't matter the SErbs will never agree.
Serbs should not rely on KFOR since they are not capable of protecting anyone. Serbs from Northern Kosovo should orginaze well to defend Northern part and I am sure that they will be backed by Serbs from Serbia. That is very possible to do. Serbs just should not trust KFOR for not a one moment. Perhaps Serbia is ready for this scenario and has good plan. Obviously Albanians do not change strategy, always the same way, demonstrations, teriffying and slaughtering as a dessert.
pure pressure tactic from pristina and possibly some western friends. talk about desparate, hows this for desparate. is bringing back kla and threatening war what the albanian position has been reduced to? and connecting it to the tsar lazar nonsense story, where you have a dozen weirdos in old army uniforms, tsk, tsk. the lazar fellas may be outlawed by unmik, but ana is terrorist, also by unmik. spot the difference. and i would really like to see the lazar fellas patrol anything, to give our coppers 15 minute worth of exercise to send them to the slammer :)
on that note, what is kps doing about these terrorists?
the times have changed. this is not 1997, 98, 99. albanians will not get what they want threatening war and killing policemen, not least because now they would have to attack unmik ones. negotiate instead and be reasonable. there is no consensus among us and russia, or inside eu to give you what you want. so negotiate like civilized people and lets all gain something.
predictor.... a little history for you. Serbs fought the Turks and won their freedom, while the Albanians (predominantly Christian at the time) converted to Islam. Now they want to create their Islamic state on Serbian soil. You say accept nothing less than independance?! That is absurd. They should take autonomy while they can. SERBIA WILL NOT RECOGNIZE INDEPENDANCE. You need to start understanding this and you might sleep better at night. And it's not Kosova, it's Kosovo. Learn to spell and pronounce. I suggest you pull out a couple of history books, encylopedia's, whatever you can, and familiarize yourself with why Kosovo is filled with Albanians, and who the Albanians were beforehand. SERBS HAVE NEVER BACKED DOWN TO ANYONE, AND THEY WON'T NOW. Take autonomy and learn to live peacefully under Serbian borders.
Serbs from Northern Kosovo should orginaze well to defend Northern part and I am sure that they will be backed by Serbs from Serbia.
Brumsilda said.
Do you realise what you are inviting your people to do?
Do you need blood for your living?
Now I can understand each and every comment you made in this site.
(AS TIA,
"We shall defend this land to the last soldier," the ANA leader told the AP late Sunday after what the agency describes as "a ceremony for new recruits in a mountainous area of northern Kosovo." -KLA SOLDIER
plan is large-scale demonstrations in support of declaration of Kosovo's independence, and the protest might develop into violence, similar to that of March 2004. - POSSIBLE SCENARIO
So, AS TIA, what is not clear. As far as I know threats are coming from Albanians. I just suggested that Serbs should not rely on KFOR becuase KFOR obviously cannot be trusted after March 2004. Therefore, Serbs should defend themselves and see nothing wrong with that. Or you maybe suggest that Serbs should stay calm and let KLA and others to slaughter them as for dessert. Or you think maybe that only Albanians have exclusive right on slef defence. AS TIA your dear KLA is threat for Serbs, for those few thousands Serbs that had courage to stay.
I don't know who are the terrorists. The killing of thousands of Croats, the massacres in Bosnia, the massacres in Kosovo. Hypocrites to the core you people are.
JAMES WATTSON said: "I don't know who are the terrorists. The killing of thousands of Croats, the massacres in Bosnia, the massacres in Kosovo. Hypocrites to the core you people are."
I don't know too who the terrorists are.
The killing of thousands of Serbs by Croats in WW2 and in Krajna, the massacres against Serbs by mujahedin bosnian muslims, Turks, Iranians, Arabs etc. in Bosnia, the massacres by UCK in Kosovo. Hypocrites to the core you people are........
Back to the topic.
Well, no matter how many albanian terror groups will be created, this time the Serbs will be ready to "respond" if they will be asked for.
So, Albanians should think twice before they start terrorising and killing Serbian kids again.
I think that the publicity this group is receiving goes way beyond its real stature. In any case given the times we are going through the appearance of the ANA and the Czar Lazar Guard do not herald any positive developments, but just more trouble to come. I would be the first to support resistance to any military intervention in Kosova by Serbia, but that is a job for NATO, the KPC and the former KLA; we do not need additional groups trying to get publicity. And as things stand they are doing more harm than good by raising tensions.
I congratulate K-Albanian politicians for distancing themselves from the ANA, but I am afraid that the longer the situation in Kosova remain uncertain the better these groups are gonna fare.
educate yourself... todays Albanians came to the Balkans at the same time as the Serbs did. you are not the descendant of the illyrians, no matter how hard you believe it!
all in all, you guys make a really sad impression!
instead of coming to reason, you still try the old, ineffectual tactics...
Besim, Your logic doesn't work.
"Just because you built churches doesn't make it your land and the Turks built mosques so it makes it their land."
For the millionth time, the Turks invaded, occupied and forcefully converted people to Islam. Eventually they were expelled.
The Serbs did not invade, occupy and forcefully convert anyone to Christianity. They settled that land centuries ago. Kosovo was built on settlement and not invasion, which means you were not there to invade and to be cleansed.
Are you comparing Serbs to Turks?
I've heard of the Ottoman Empire but not Serbian Empire.
On the contrary, Serbs were the ones who were invaded and not the other way around.
To Zimmerman: Dude, you have no idea who are you dealing with... Why are they arming themselves in Macedonia then? There was a big police action there recently where a lot of heavy weapons were colected. Did Serbians do that also? What's wrong with the Albanians in Macedonia? does anyone bothers them? They can do anything they want and they are still not happy. Let's also not forget that KLA at the beggining was a leftist guerila force with all the comunist markings, but only after Mr. Holdurk instructed them, they changed their way of acting. They will never accept anything less then independance and i can understand that, you can't go back now. What Serbia needs to do now is to negotiate division of kosovo, exchange of population in southern serbia and concentrate on getting Republic of Serbska from Bosnia. Kosovo is a lost cause, let them have it.
James "Wattson" - i see you are talking about the USA.
KASTRIOTI - Frustrated? By what? Because you want independence? Whay should we give you exactly what you want? You are on Serbian territory. talk about partitioning the province and you might go somewhere to gaining independence. trying to maintani the Serbian part as well - dream no, you'll never get a UN seat or recognition that way.
Dane - the group "provoking disorder" are the Albanian. Not only did they provoke it in Serbia, starting the Kosovo war, but you are now using terrorism in Macedonia and Montenegro.
Teni - i agree that we ca't live together, so why do you Albanians insist on keeping the northern part of Kosovo where the Serbs live?
"Zimmerman" - why do you have a claim to the northern part of Kosovo? It's populated by Serbs not Albanians!
“what they are best at? Oh, yes we know what they are best at!” - laughable. Remind me, what did the UN say about Kosovo and it's ALbanian administration? corrupt, lawless, economic disaster, economy fuelled by drugs, people smuggling and prostitution.
Besim - "I said we don't want yours because we have ours and we are proud of it, we have on of the best cultures and lungages and we are proud of it." Such great culture that you didn't even bother to have a written language until 100 years ago.
Hey Zimmerman, I'm sure we ALL know what Deutschland was best at also & they get first prize at it. Does WW2 ring a bell or are they still in denial. Don't be a hypocrite Zimmerman. The Serbs were defending themselves and their homes in all the wars. If Deutschland was breaking apart do you think the government would let them? Doubt it. Lets say KosovO gets it's independence, & North KosovO wants to break away and become independent, what should Pristina do? Does the majority in North Kosovo have a right to self determination? Will Pristina let them go peacefully? Or deny them? I have more questions but answer these first.
"We will get our independence and in case you have missed it we are not really asking Serbia to grant it to us.
(teni, 13. November 2007 18:10)"
But you are asking the US and UK to give it to you!
What if they are not prepared to follow their "promises" to the albanians, what if its more important for them to get the "west" to side with them in the upcoming attacks/war on Iran?
I can understand your support for the albanian cause, of course I understand them, but I don't support them. But sometimes you can't get everything you want. I am sure that Tibet, BAsque, Northern Cyprus wants "independence" to , but its not going to happen.
What if you are wrong on betting it all on one bet, the support of the US, if you lose that bet, what are you going to do then?
Wouldn't a EU governed Hong-Kong solution with albanian citizenship/id:s/drivers license/passport but still within Serbia be better than an Northern Cyprus-style independence be? You would still not be ruled from Belgrade, but you are not ruled from Pristina now either, the west rules you now.
Well done ANA well done, I am sure if you put your toys down some Serb official would shake your hands for promoting Serbia's defense of its land and freedom.
I can't wait to see what NATO does in response to this, ANA patrolling the border? Ah ho ho ho...I am sure UNMIK will take that very well...
Hey Besim, it's funny how the countries all around the so-called Albanian lands have the same history of the Balkans but the Albanians, you guys have a different version. But all of our history is wrong except for yours. Doesn't that sound strange, you guys are right and we all are wrong. I think your history books are wrong and that Ilirian thing, well it's played out and still has to be proven with solid evidence, and the Albanian history books don't count.
Zimmerman says..."according to some important sources these people are being payed by Serbian authorities to create a chaos, or "to make Serbs feel as they are endangered'
Please share factual information with us.
Thomas Gambill, a former security chief with the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE), was responsible for overseeing the eastern region of Gjilane in Kosovo from 1999 until 2004 under the authority of the U.N. Gambill warned his U.N. superiors that the newly formed paramilitary group, the Albanian National Army, was "highly dangerous and skilled" and operating in Kosovo as well as northwestern Macedonia. But those warnings, he said, were also met with disbelief. Within months, the Albanian National Army was taking credit for terrorist attacks, prompting the U.N. to acknowledge the group's existence.
Gambill also said, "My biggest concern has always been the incursion of radical Islam into the area," said Gambill. "They're making preparations in Macedonia for terrorist attacks against internationals if Kosovo is not granted independence."
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/9/27/101219.shtml
Laura, keep dreaming, independence, I can't stop laughing. Dardania, please my side hurts! But all kidding a side the independence thing is just a dream. Autonomy, well now that's more realistic.
"Be sure that we are nor prepared to, as you call, get “something”! Nothing less than full independence"
that attitude will get to the middle east, but not to europe.
because all who live with that kind of attitude belong in the middle east not in europe. im sure in due time someone much more relevatn than me, from that europe, will let you know about this :)
Well according to some important sources these people are being payed by Serbian authorities to create a chaos, or "to make Serbs feel as they are endangered", so that they can claim the N. Mitrovica with a good pretext.
Problem yet is with Albanians, and the very ones in this site. How come you never grow up? This is a trick, ANA is not initiative from people of Kosovo but rather a trap door, don't go for it, it won't work. Why on earth Albanians would want to organize such a group? Things are moving well for them, and most EU countries are recognizing independence (yes, including Deutschland, so by this I mean big players), US is by your side too. So I have strong arguments to believe that this group is fueled by Serbs, just to create a chaos and perhaps claim the northern part, as the things are not moving well for the Serbs.
Have patience and thing will work out, remember the huge Bondsteelbase standing there, it was not build for nothing, do you believe that Americans and international community after so much investment will back off and let the Serbs take over and do “what they are best at? Oh, yes we know what they are best at!”
We are talking about a terrorist organization threatening to secure the existence of a Greater Albania with the aid of violence, then we have this chap here saying:
"Be sure that we are nor prepared to, as you call, get “something”! Nothing less than full independence, now after these talks not even so called “Ahtisari’s independence”, but real full independence, without any international supervision or control, unless previously agreed about some kind of presence of international community. So, you people, get start living in independent Kosova, rather than proposing endless negotiations.
(predictor, 13. November 2007 17:42)"
And people with this sort of mentality will be walking the streets in the EU? I for one know for a fact I don't want my kids to grow up with such extremism around them. This sort of mentality belongs in the Middle East, not in Europe. So what, if let's say you will be in the EU and Kosovo doesn't agree with some EU resolution, then what? Your terrorists will start blowing up cars and cafes in European cities? In Europe we negotiate, we don't threaten.
Before any other Balkan country is let into the EU, all war criminals must be caught and all terrorists disarmed/arrested/shot.
Well, its as if its a big deal. Its not, we know these groups exist. Who knows whether the intention is to try to apply pressure or which political party ANA is tied to. In Kosovo there are few secrets so I'm sure somebody knows... But do they know whether ANA might develop its own 'ideas' and be uncontrolable at some point???
Teni I dont think it has to be that way with Serbs and Albanians on Kosovo. I mean personally speaking I'm quite willing to put everything up to debate on the issue and without the quasi history lessons, emotional blackmail and so on.
The problem from my perspective and those similarly minded is that primarliy Kosovo Albanians dont want to compromise.
There is always a compromise, a way of finding a solution so I dont agree with you about the sentiments of Albanians. (though of course I know they wont be happy to compromise)
The real problem on the Albanian side with this is that your politicians are petrified of losing badly in future elections if they take home a compromise proposal.
A hypothetical, ok this wont happen but its worth considering the Albanian position. If hundreds of billions were promised for Kosovo (from the US, Russia, wherever) to ignite the Kosovo economy and to employ hundreds of thousands of Kosovo citizens - upon condition of accepting this Hong Kong model, it would still be rejected by Albanians.
That bone minded stupidity would be excruciating for me if I were a Kosovo Albanian with that kind of offer. One must always look at the reality, the future, the benefit, despite what happened.
You could pose the same question in reverse for Serbian EU membership in return for giving up Kosovo. But its not the same. Using this Hong Kong model the chances are Kosovo Albanians will still win but in a decade or so. That EU choice for Serbia would be to legally give up on Kosovo for ever.
zimmerman,
You germans are by far the best and most efficient at whatever youre talking about. I guess you are happy that Albanians are doing in Serbia what Germans failed to do. Eliminate Serbs! Congrads, you have so much to be "proud" of.
I think you need to do some self reflection. If it wasn't for the Germans and Ottomans there wouldn't be these problems in the Balkans. Think about that.
"I don't know who are the terrorists. The killing of thousands of Croats, the massacres in Bosnia, the massacres in Kosovo. Hypocrites to the core you people are."
(James Wattson, 13. November 2007 16:18)
I beg your pardon james? Who are you referring to as a hypocrite? Is it the fact that croatians and bosnians "ethnically cleansed" 350,000+ serbs during world war 2, or was it that ante pavlic - the leader of the ustase who were responsible for those killings, just so miraculously slipped through british patrol points, only then to be accepted as one of the head popes at the vatican.... or maybe the hypocrites are the americans who play the innocent game, while shelling us for 78 days straight with depleted uranium, while at the same time we are being murded and attacked by seperatists, people who are stealing the land illegally by force. Maybe you also forget the serbian state of krajina, which now is croatian... and how do you suppose that they took that without anyone saying anything? 100,000 + people died during the balkan wars, according to you and the rest of the COMPLETELY WESTERN MEDIA who covered the war (against us at the time) suppose that no serbs where victims? It is because you, the albanians and the rest of the western world are a bunch of hypocrites. We offer Albanians autonomy of such a broad spectrum, as that it has never been seen before, and yet they still demand full independence? They all expect the serbs to compromise, well what in the proverbial fires of hell are the albanian kosovO leaders doing? They press for nothing more than war. Those terrorists patrol Northern KosovO with AK-47's, harrassing serbs, while the KFOR does nothing at all. KFOR claims that anyone who poses a threat to peace will be killed.... well wow what are these idiots doing? ANA? Like the ones who burned down monastaries dating back to as early as the 14th century, not to mention the countless times they have vandalized the graves of serbs. They are a disgrace as people. They are complete filth. Im not a racist, i have plenty of friends who are even bosnians and croatians... people are all the same, yet these arent people.
Sure guys, go right ahead. Jeopardize your money link with Washington and ruin everything for the diplomats in Pristina with your "idealism". Pathetic.
(Momcil,)
Please!! you don't make any sense my friend.
"where half of them came illegally, to our country in seek of a better life, and now want independance?"
They didn't came ligaly or illigaly they were there my friend. no sense they came to poorest country for a better life right? lol.
you Serbs are just studying the wrong history books.
I live in USA, I meet a guy from Serbia, and we were talking about Kosovo. I said what do you think about Kosovo:
He said " we are just angry with you albanians because we opponed the borders with albania and we let you just come in kosovo and no you guys want independence.
I said my friend: borders between Albania and kosovo were closed almost since 1912 even a flyers could not pass thru.
then he said: ah okay but why u just want your own flag and own culture and own lungage and not ours.
I said we don't want yours because we have ours and we are proud of it, we have on of the best cultures and lungages and we are proud of it.
If you serbs think kosovo is urs just because u came there and build up churches, then what about turkey who came there and build, "MOSKES" Should they argue that albania and kosovo is their Land::????
There is something that people forget to mention here.
Albanians were the first inhabitants of Kosova and they still are the main inhabitants of Kosova (92% by now).
Second, Slavs came on the VI century and built some churches. Turks came later on and built some mosques. Albanians - still there.
Third, if Serbs wanna claim any land in Kosova, they should talk with Turks who maybe think that Kosova belongs to them since they built mosques.
Fourth, while Serbs and Turks built churches and mosques, Albanians built houses for them and their offspring. Serbs and Turks came, built something, looked at the sky a few times, didn't like the harsh terrain and conditions, and left. Albanians had children and stayed. The land belonged, belongs, and will belong to them. The sky is for everyone to enjoy.
Besim - Jovan I advice you and other serbs to read the book called "KOSOVO A SHORT HISTORY" writen by NOEL MALCOLM you will see there some facts and some advice for you serbs it's not albanian book. its book that tells the truth for serbs and albanaska terroristiqki seperatistiqki lol that's how you serbs like to call us.
calling us terrorist because we fight for our own land the "MOTHERLAND".
You should do your homwork more diligently. Anyone who has access to UK tv knows this man has no other purpose than being the mouthpiece of NATO. He recently denounced the Kurds as being evil people deserving everything they get from the Turks.
The Kurds and the Albanians are in a similar position so how come he has polar opposite views on both conflicts.
Also, he decided to tell UK viewers that it was the Serbs, not the Croatian Ustache, who were allied with the Nazi's in WWII.
If that isn't propaganda of the highest order i don't know what is.
What else do you have to present as "evidence" so i can shoot that down in flames as well.
Jovan wrote: let´s see what future brings! ( and of course that the moderate Albanians prevail and do not get impressed by that kind of idiotism represented by those part-time rambo´s
-Jovan
I do not think that they are weekend warriors. They are idealistic ones.
Moderates will not prevail because they are sitting in warm offices and been unable to deliver. These guys most likely will get more support. Kosova's people are frustrated with Serbia. I think that internationals will act against Serbia's frustrating hesitance to recognize the loss of Kosova. If that does not happen, I am afraid that majority of Albanians (all of Albanians) will join these forces and real chaos will take place. I am against chaos, but Albanians are left without any other seriouz choices to act with. I hope that Kosova will gain independence without blood of any nationality. All I can do is hope. Serbia on the other hand can do a LOT!!!
Serbs from Northern Kosovo should orginaze well to defend Northern part and I am sure that they will be backed by Serbs from Serbia.
Brumsilda said.
Do you realise what you are inviting your people to do?
Do you need blood for your living?
Now I can understand each and every comment you made in this site.
Momcilo
When I read comments like yours - or you mine perhaps - I become a bit depressed because I understand that it will take a very, very long time for our people, which are neighbors after all, to have any sort of normal relations with each other. On an individual level that works somehow, but as soon as Kosova is mentioned we are all ready to jump at each other's throats. On the other hand all this hostility makes me feel a bit better - in some strange sense - because I know that because of it K-Albanians will never, ever agree to live in the country called Serbia again however high the price we'll have to pay to achieve independence; it should also make you understand that it makes no sense for Serbia to want Kosova back.
We will get our independence and in case you have missed it we are not really asking Serbia to grant it to us. The asking phase was finished when the guns started doing the talking and now things have gone way too far for K-Albanians to go back. There is too much bad blood between us for that. No Albanian can ever agree to living in a country that still refers to them as emigrants or whatever. Count yourself lucky if you get to keep the Northern Serb inhabited bit.
To the individual who popped up out of NOWHERE called USA -
Please note that although you may believe that we (the Serbs) should give up KosovO as it's a lost cause - let me point a couple of US embarassments -
*what about Katrina & the tax payer's dollars - has that been rebuilt (another lost cause).
*the war in the middle east as well as the infamous WMD of your president - yet another lost cause.
*the immigration policy & the people responsible for allowing terrorists into the USA - Mohammad Atta was granted US citizenship three to six months AFTER he flew a hijacked plane into the World Trade Center.
Why should anyone listen to YOU? All of a sudden "USA" pops up on the B92 commentary boards - When you give up Texas to the Mexicans, then come back & post!
Smile, you said:
“so negotiate like civilized people and lets all gain something.”
Be sure that we are nor prepared to, as you call, get “something”! Nothing less than full independence, now after these talks not even so called “Ahtisari’s independence”, but real full independence, without any international supervision or control, unless previously agreed about some kind of presence of international community. So, you people, get start living in independent Kosova, rather than proposing endless negotiations.
Well, I can see clearly that the posters have deviated the topic into Germany, meanwhile the focus was on ANA. Anyways I feel responsible to make some things clear here:
1. Germany payed the price to the greatest extend for about WWII
2. We did apologize, and that what happened was never repeated again, nor it was considered as patriotism.
But I do see Serbs wearing Karadzic T-Shirts, and the latter being sold in front and in Churches (“I don’t know if you guys know that churches should be used to promote the peace and love, but I guess down there they serve different”), I see Serbs being proud of they did in Bosnia, Kosovo, Croatia,… and yet they are the innocent ones, and everybody else being blamed so now tell me the definition of word hypocrisy that you seem to like it so much ?! I guess everybody else in Balkans is wrong but Serb, perhaps you were the selected ones, the ones that must either rule or fight the others, well go on with your patriotism, meanwhile Germany is the most developed country in EU and the no. 1 exporter in the world, but I do not want to promote my country here as it is not the right place and there is no need to, but please don’t compare Germany with Serbia rather stay in the scope of the topic.
what a great piece of propaganda you are presenting.... everyone is speaking straight about everything is happening, like is a black and white scenario(i am not sure about defining who is the black and the white - serbia or Kosov@). How in the world you guys know that your information is the "true" one. because when you were in elementary school a harsh teacher was lecturing the history of Balkans in accordance with the political guidance. Or because for 20 years you were following a/some serbian medias that were blindly representing some specific agenda regarding the nations in this boiling regions called not without a reason Balkans. And then what, for inertia you have to follow the same line, just because is too difficult to accept that probably you were wrong from the beggining ... tell me the source of your information about history, media, or even philosophy. Watch out from PROPAGANDA people... especially when you are used on that. Be open minded (I am talking about both sides)... and try to estimate with coldblood the situation that is going on. I am albanian... I was feeling so sad today that I saw a video in youtube about some albanians extremists covered with AKA attire... i hated that however is not a surprise that such groups exists. They are manipulated as well... In this sense I would like to see a serb to hate the extremists as well... being a nationalist in this circumstances not necessary means to be extremist, fashist, muhajedin or whatever... lets love our country but lets love people more than that ...
PeGgy I'm not sure if my logic does not work or it's other way around.
Serbs right now should worry about Vojvodina, kosovo is gone already I hope you guys have learned something in Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, and Kosovo. so i hope u guys don't mess it up again.
I feel really bad that serbia couldn't bring serbs that left croatia and other place to sattle them in Kosovo.
they failed to do that because we albanians reacted fast.
most of those people who were pushed to come in kosovo were brought without their premission they were force to come to kosovo so serbs would be 20% of overall population.
you serbs know that even in 1912 majority of people in kosovo were albanians since 1867 lidhja prizerenit, and on we kep't fighting.
1999 was the time when international community said: stop we made a mistake in kosovo and we got to correct it not they are trying to do just that correct their own mistake that they decited to give kosovo to serbia in 1913.
Jovan I advice you and other serbs to read the book called "KOSOVO A SHORT HISTORY" writen by NOEL MALCOLM you will see there some facts and some advice for you serbs it's not albanian book. its book that tells the truth for serbs and albanaska terroristiqki seperatistiqki lol that's how you serbs like to call us.
calling us terrorist because we fight for our own land the "MOTHERLAND".
Experience is telling that military/paramilitary groups of each side more can harm than bring solutions for political questions and issues in this moment.
I would kindly ask both Serbs and Albanians who are not living in Kosovo to not enkindle such groups and approach because finally they won't lose anything and the real losers will be Kosovars no matter of ethnicity...
I only wonder how prudent will be Serbs and Serbia knowing their intentions to provoke disorders in Kosovo and regions inhabited by Albanians in other region countriess?!?!?!
Balkan Peoples do not forget the atrocities perpetrated by the Albanians in WWII and more recently against Serbs and others. They are again poised to commit horrors just as they hae been committing since the 80s.
I don't know who are the terrorists. The killing of thousands of Croats, the massacres in Bosnia, the massacres in Kosovo. Hypocrites to the core you people are.
I think that the publicity this group is receiving goes way beyond its real stature. In any case given the times we are going through the appearance of the ANA and the Czar Lazar Guard do not herald any positive developments, but just more trouble to come. I would be the first to support resistance to any military intervention in Kosova by Serbia, but that is a job for NATO, the KPC and the former KLA; we do not need additional groups trying to get publicity. And as things stand they are doing more harm than good by raising tensions.
I congratulate K-Albanian politicians for distancing themselves from the ANA, but I am afraid that the longer the situation in Kosova remain uncertain the better these groups are gonna fare.
Momcilo
When I read comments like yours - or you mine perhaps - I become a bit depressed because I understand that it will take a very, very long time for our people, which are neighbors after all, to have any sort of normal relations with each other. On an individual level that works somehow, but as soon as Kosova is mentioned we are all ready to jump at each other's throats. On the other hand all this hostility makes me feel a bit better - in some strange sense - because I know that because of it K-Albanians will never, ever agree to live in the country called Serbia again however high the price we'll have to pay to achieve independence; it should also make you understand that it makes no sense for Serbia to want Kosova back.
We will get our independence and in case you have missed it we are not really asking Serbia to grant it to us. The asking phase was finished when the guns started doing the talking and now things have gone way too far for K-Albanians to go back. There is too much bad blood between us for that. No Albanian can ever agree to living in a country that still refers to them as emigrants or whatever. Count yourself lucky if you get to keep the Northern Serb inhabited bit.
Well according to some important sources these people are being payed by Serbian authorities to create a chaos, or "to make Serbs feel as they are endangered", so that they can claim the N. Mitrovica with a good pretext.
Problem yet is with Albanians, and the very ones in this site. How come you never grow up? This is a trick, ANA is not initiative from people of Kosovo but rather a trap door, don't go for it, it won't work. Why on earth Albanians would want to organize such a group? Things are moving well for them, and most EU countries are recognizing independence (yes, including Deutschland, so by this I mean big players), US is by your side too. So I have strong arguments to believe that this group is fueled by Serbs, just to create a chaos and perhaps claim the northern part, as the things are not moving well for the Serbs.
Have patience and thing will work out, remember the huge Bondsteelbase standing there, it was not build for nothing, do you believe that Americans and international community after so much investment will back off and let the Serbs take over and do “what they are best at? Oh, yes we know what they are best at!”
Serbs should not rely on KFOR since they are not capable of protecting anyone. Serbs from Northern Kosovo should orginaze well to defend Northern part and I am sure that they will be backed by Serbs from Serbia. That is very possible to do. Serbs just should not trust KFOR for not a one moment. Perhaps Serbia is ready for this scenario and has good plan. Obviously Albanians do not change strategy, always the same way, demonstrations, teriffying and slaughtering as a dessert.
Jovan wrote: let´s see what future brings! ( and of course that the moderate Albanians prevail and do not get impressed by that kind of idiotism represented by those part-time rambo´s
-Jovan
I do not think that they are weekend warriors. They are idealistic ones.
Moderates will not prevail because they are sitting in warm offices and been unable to deliver. These guys most likely will get more support. Kosova's people are frustrated with Serbia. I think that internationals will act against Serbia's frustrating hesitance to recognize the loss of Kosova. If that does not happen, I am afraid that majority of Albanians (all of Albanians) will join these forces and real chaos will take place. I am against chaos, but Albanians are left without any other seriouz choices to act with. I hope that Kosova will gain independence without blood of any nationality. All I can do is hope. Serbia on the other hand can do a LOT!!!
Serbs from Northern Kosovo should orginaze well to defend Northern part and I am sure that they will be backed by Serbs from Serbia.
Brumsilda said.
Do you realise what you are inviting your people to do?
Do you need blood for your living?
Now I can understand each and every comment you made in this site.
Smile, you said:
“so negotiate like civilized people and lets all gain something.”
Be sure that we are nor prepared to, as you call, get “something”! Nothing less than full independence, now after these talks not even so called “Ahtisari’s independence”, but real full independence, without any international supervision or control, unless previously agreed about some kind of presence of international community. So, you people, get start living in independent Kosova, rather than proposing endless negotiations.
JAMES WATTSON said: "I don't know who are the terrorists. The killing of thousands of Croats, the massacres in Bosnia, the massacres in Kosovo. Hypocrites to the core you people are."
I don't know too who the terrorists are.
The killing of thousands of Serbs by Croats in WW2 and in Krajna, the massacres against Serbs by mujahedin bosnian muslims, Turks, Iranians, Arabs etc. in Bosnia, the massacres by UCK in Kosovo. Hypocrites to the core you people are........
Back to the topic.
Well, no matter how many albanian terror groups will be created, this time the Serbs will be ready to "respond" if they will be asked for.
So, Albanians should think twice before they start terrorising and killing Serbian kids again.
(Momcil,)
Please!! you don't make any sense my friend.
"where half of them came illegally, to our country in seek of a better life, and now want independance?"
They didn't came ligaly or illigaly they were there my friend. no sense they came to poorest country for a better life right? lol.
you Serbs are just studying the wrong history books.
I live in USA, I meet a guy from Serbia, and we were talking about Kosovo. I said what do you think about Kosovo:
He said " we are just angry with you albanians because we opponed the borders with albania and we let you just come in kosovo and no you guys want independence.
I said my friend: borders between Albania and kosovo were closed almost since 1912 even a flyers could not pass thru.
then he said: ah okay but why u just want your own flag and own culture and own lungage and not ours.
I said we don't want yours because we have ours and we are proud of it, we have on of the best cultures and lungages and we are proud of it.
If you serbs think kosovo is urs just because u came there and build up churches, then what about turkey who came there and build, "MOSKES" Should they argue that albania and kosovo is their Land::????
PeGgy I'm not sure if my logic does not work or it's other way around.
Serbs right now should worry about Vojvodina, kosovo is gone already I hope you guys have learned something in Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, and Kosovo. so i hope u guys don't mess it up again.
I feel really bad that serbia couldn't bring serbs that left croatia and other place to sattle them in Kosovo.
they failed to do that because we albanians reacted fast.
most of those people who were pushed to come in kosovo were brought without their premission they were force to come to kosovo so serbs would be 20% of overall population.
you serbs know that even in 1912 majority of people in kosovo were albanians since 1867 lidhja prizerenit, and on we kep't fighting.
1999 was the time when international community said: stop we made a mistake in kosovo and we got to correct it not they are trying to do just that correct their own mistake that they decited to give kosovo to serbia in 1913.
Jovan I advice you and other serbs to read the book called "KOSOVO A SHORT HISTORY" writen by NOEL MALCOLM you will see there some facts and some advice for you serbs it's not albanian book. its book that tells the truth for serbs and albanaska terroristiqki seperatistiqki lol that's how you serbs like to call us.
calling us terrorist because we fight for our own land the "MOTHERLAND".
James, in case you have forgotten, Serbs were also victims during the Yugoslav war of the 90s. No one is being a hypocrite here. Do we see Serbian terror groups actively patrolling in Kosovo? No.
Teni, the ANA patrolling borders is exactly what the Albanian side doesn't want to see. The KLA is a terrorist organization, and NATO can't march into Serbia this time with half the world not supporting it. Not to mention the scrutiny NATO received last time around for bombing Serbia, I think they'll be a bit more careful this time. Plus Russia may intervene as well. Sorry to say, but this time around there will be no excuses. Kosovo is Serbian land, if the KFOR units can't disarm them, I'm all for Serbian forces reentering the area. The land is Serbian Land. If there are groups with gunmen forming, I don't care if they're ANA, KLA, or anything else, they need to be disarmed, and arrested. They should throw them out of the country to where they came from. They won't dictate anything on Serbian land. They should all be thrown into a jail, and released eventually with the understanding that either they live in Serbia, which Kosovo is part of, or go to Albania, or some other country that satisfies them. I'm sick of hearing about 2 million people without a voice!!! Yes, 2 million people where half of them came illegally, to our country in seek of a better life, and now want independance??!!! Serbia will never allow an independant Kosovo, it doesn't matter what anyone else in the world believes. Britain, US, France, and even if Russia was for it, it doesn't matter the SErbs will never agree.
Experience is telling that military/paramilitary groups of each side more can harm than bring solutions for political questions and issues in this moment.
I would kindly ask both Serbs and Albanians who are not living in Kosovo to not enkindle such groups and approach because finally they won't lose anything and the real losers will be Kosovars no matter of ethnicity...
I only wonder how prudent will be Serbs and Serbia knowing their intentions to provoke disorders in Kosovo and regions inhabited by Albanians in other region countriess?!?!?!
predictor.... a little history for you. Serbs fought the Turks and won their freedom, while the Albanians (predominantly Christian at the time) converted to Islam. Now they want to create their Islamic state on Serbian soil. You say accept nothing less than independance?! That is absurd. They should take autonomy while they can. SERBIA WILL NOT RECOGNIZE INDEPENDANCE. You need to start understanding this and you might sleep better at night. And it's not Kosova, it's Kosovo. Learn to spell and pronounce. I suggest you pull out a couple of history books, encylopedia's, whatever you can, and familiarize yourself with why Kosovo is filled with Albanians, and who the Albanians were beforehand. SERBS HAVE NEVER BACKED DOWN TO ANYONE, AND THEY WON'T NOW. Take autonomy and learn to live peacefully under Serbian borders.
James "Wattson" - i see you are talking about the USA.
KASTRIOTI - Frustrated? By what? Because you want independence? Whay should we give you exactly what you want? You are on Serbian territory. talk about partitioning the province and you might go somewhere to gaining independence. trying to maintani the Serbian part as well - dream no, you'll never get a UN seat or recognition that way.
Dane - the group "provoking disorder" are the Albanian. Not only did they provoke it in Serbia, starting the Kosovo war, but you are now using terrorism in Macedonia and Montenegro.
Teni - i agree that we ca't live together, so why do you Albanians insist on keeping the northern part of Kosovo where the Serbs live?
"Zimmerman" - why do you have a claim to the northern part of Kosovo? It's populated by Serbs not Albanians!
“what they are best at? Oh, yes we know what they are best at!” - laughable. Remind me, what did the UN say about Kosovo and it's ALbanian administration? corrupt, lawless, economic disaster, economy fuelled by drugs, people smuggling and prostitution.
Besim - "I said we don't want yours because we have ours and we are proud of it, we have on of the best cultures and lungages and we are proud of it." Such great culture that you didn't even bother to have a written language until 100 years ago.
Hey Zimmerman, I'm sure we ALL know what Deutschland was best at also & they get first prize at it. Does WW2 ring a bell or are they still in denial. Don't be a hypocrite Zimmerman. The Serbs were defending themselves and their homes in all the wars. If Deutschland was breaking apart do you think the government would let them? Doubt it. Lets say KosovO gets it's independence, & North KosovO wants to break away and become independent, what should Pristina do? Does the majority in North Kosovo have a right to self determination? Will Pristina let them go peacefully? Or deny them? I have more questions but answer these first.
There is something that people forget to mention here.
Albanians were the first inhabitants of Kosova and they still are the main inhabitants of Kosova (92% by now).
Second, Slavs came on the VI century and built some churches. Turks came later on and built some mosques. Albanians - still there.
Third, if Serbs wanna claim any land in Kosova, they should talk with Turks who maybe think that Kosova belongs to them since they built mosques.
Fourth, while Serbs and Turks built churches and mosques, Albanians built houses for them and their offspring. Serbs and Turks came, built something, looked at the sky a few times, didn't like the harsh terrain and conditions, and left. Albanians had children and stayed. The land belonged, belongs, and will belong to them. The sky is for everyone to enjoy.
Well, I can see clearly that the posters have deviated the topic into Germany, meanwhile the focus was on ANA. Anyways I feel responsible to make some things clear here:
1. Germany payed the price to the greatest extend for about WWII
2. We did apologize, and that what happened was never repeated again, nor it was considered as patriotism.
But I do see Serbs wearing Karadzic T-Shirts, and the latter being sold in front and in Churches (“I don’t know if you guys know that churches should be used to promote the peace and love, but I guess down there they serve different”), I see Serbs being proud of they did in Bosnia, Kosovo, Croatia,… and yet they are the innocent ones, and everybody else being blamed so now tell me the definition of word hypocrisy that you seem to like it so much ?! I guess everybody else in Balkans is wrong but Serb, perhaps you were the selected ones, the ones that must either rule or fight the others, well go on with your patriotism, meanwhile Germany is the most developed country in EU and the no. 1 exporter in the world, but I do not want to promote my country here as it is not the right place and there is no need to, but please don’t compare Germany with Serbia rather stay in the scope of the topic.
""We are extremely dissatisfied with our political leaders," the commander of the ANA Second Zone, who introduced himself as Preka, was quoted by he newspaper"
although he must be very desperate to believe that his weekend-fighters could prevent anything... I must say that at least in regard of his "political leaders" he has every reason not to be satisfied.
they are promising all and everything.
let´s see what future brings! ( and of course that the moderate Albanians prevail and do not get impressed by that kind of idiotism represented by those part-time rambo´s )
And i would like to say to this loosers-please get a job.No one cares about your couse anymore and there is a world that protects Serbs and other non albanian from you this time,so stop taking pictures and making yourselves victims this time.It won`t work.
pure pressure tactic from pristina and possibly some western friends. talk about desparate, hows this for desparate. is bringing back kla and threatening war what the albanian position has been reduced to? and connecting it to the tsar lazar nonsense story, where you have a dozen weirdos in old army uniforms, tsk, tsk. the lazar fellas may be outlawed by unmik, but ana is terrorist, also by unmik. spot the difference. and i would really like to see the lazar fellas patrol anything, to give our coppers 15 minute worth of exercise to send them to the slammer :)
on that note, what is kps doing about these terrorists?
the times have changed. this is not 1997, 98, 99. albanians will not get what they want threatening war and killing policemen, not least because now they would have to attack unmik ones. negotiate instead and be reasonable. there is no consensus among us and russia, or inside eu to give you what you want. so negotiate like civilized people and lets all gain something.
Serbs from Northern Kosovo should orginaze well to defend Northern part and I am sure that they will be backed by Serbs from Serbia.
Brumsilda said.
Do you realise what you are inviting your people to do?
Do you need blood for your living?
Now I can understand each and every comment you made in this site.
(AS TIA,
"We shall defend this land to the last soldier," the ANA leader told the AP late Sunday after what the agency describes as "a ceremony for new recruits in a mountainous area of northern Kosovo." -KLA SOLDIER
plan is large-scale demonstrations in support of declaration of Kosovo's independence, and the protest might develop into violence, similar to that of March 2004. - POSSIBLE SCENARIO
So, AS TIA, what is not clear. As far as I know threats are coming from Albanians. I just suggested that Serbs should not rely on KFOR becuase KFOR obviously cannot be trusted after March 2004. Therefore, Serbs should defend themselves and see nothing wrong with that. Or you maybe suggest that Serbs should stay calm and let KLA and others to slaughter them as for dessert. Or you think maybe that only Albanians have exclusive right on slef defence. AS TIA your dear KLA is threat for Serbs, for those few thousands Serbs that had courage to stay.
Sure guys, go right ahead. Jeopardize your money link with Washington and ruin everything for the diplomats in Pristina with your "idealism". Pathetic.
"Be sure that we are nor prepared to, as you call, get “something”! Nothing less than full independence"
that attitude will get to the middle east, but not to europe.
because all who live with that kind of attitude belong in the middle east not in europe. im sure in due time someone much more relevatn than me, from that europe, will let you know about this :)
"We will get our independence and in case you have missed it we are not really asking Serbia to grant it to us.
(teni, 13. November 2007 18:10)"
But you are asking the US and UK to give it to you!
What if they are not prepared to follow their "promises" to the albanians, what if its more important for them to get the "west" to side with them in the upcoming attacks/war on Iran?
I can understand your support for the albanian cause, of course I understand them, but I don't support them. But sometimes you can't get everything you want. I am sure that Tibet, BAsque, Northern Cyprus wants "independence" to , but its not going to happen.
What if you are wrong on betting it all on one bet, the support of the US, if you lose that bet, what are you going to do then?
Wouldn't a EU governed Hong-Kong solution with albanian citizenship/id:s/drivers license/passport but still within Serbia be better than an Northern Cyprus-style independence be? You would still not be ruled from Belgrade, but you are not ruled from Pristina now either, the west rules you now.
Well, its as if its a big deal. Its not, we know these groups exist. Who knows whether the intention is to try to apply pressure or which political party ANA is tied to. In Kosovo there are few secrets so I'm sure somebody knows... But do they know whether ANA might develop its own 'ideas' and be uncontrolable at some point???
Teni I dont think it has to be that way with Serbs and Albanians on Kosovo. I mean personally speaking I'm quite willing to put everything up to debate on the issue and without the quasi history lessons, emotional blackmail and so on.
The problem from my perspective and those similarly minded is that primarliy Kosovo Albanians dont want to compromise.
There is always a compromise, a way of finding a solution so I dont agree with you about the sentiments of Albanians. (though of course I know they wont be happy to compromise)
The real problem on the Albanian side with this is that your politicians are petrified of losing badly in future elections if they take home a compromise proposal.
A hypothetical, ok this wont happen but its worth considering the Albanian position. If hundreds of billions were promised for Kosovo (from the US, Russia, wherever) to ignite the Kosovo economy and to employ hundreds of thousands of Kosovo citizens - upon condition of accepting this Hong Kong model, it would still be rejected by Albanians.
That bone minded stupidity would be excruciating for me if I were a Kosovo Albanian with that kind of offer. One must always look at the reality, the future, the benefit, despite what happened.
You could pose the same question in reverse for Serbian EU membership in return for giving up Kosovo. But its not the same. Using this Hong Kong model the chances are Kosovo Albanians will still win but in a decade or so. That EU choice for Serbia would be to legally give up on Kosovo for ever.
We are talking about a terrorist organization threatening to secure the existence of a Greater Albania with the aid of violence, then we have this chap here saying:
"Be sure that we are nor prepared to, as you call, get “something”! Nothing less than full independence, now after these talks not even so called “Ahtisari’s independence”, but real full independence, without any international supervision or control, unless previously agreed about some kind of presence of international community. So, you people, get start living in independent Kosova, rather than proposing endless negotiations.
(predictor, 13. November 2007 17:42)"
And people with this sort of mentality will be walking the streets in the EU? I for one know for a fact I don't want my kids to grow up with such extremism around them. This sort of mentality belongs in the Middle East, not in Europe. So what, if let's say you will be in the EU and Kosovo doesn't agree with some EU resolution, then what? Your terrorists will start blowing up cars and cafes in European cities? In Europe we negotiate, we don't threaten.
Before any other Balkan country is let into the EU, all war criminals must be caught and all terrorists disarmed/arrested/shot.
Well done ANA well done, I am sure if you put your toys down some Serb official would shake your hands for promoting Serbia's defense of its land and freedom.
I can't wait to see what NATO does in response to this, ANA patrolling the border? Ah ho ho ho...I am sure UNMIK will take that very well...
educate yourself... todays Albanians came to the Balkans at the same time as the Serbs did. you are not the descendant of the illyrians, no matter how hard you believe it!
all in all, you guys make a really sad impression!
instead of coming to reason, you still try the old, ineffectual tactics...
Besim, Your logic doesn't work.
"Just because you built churches doesn't make it your land and the Turks built mosques so it makes it their land."
For the millionth time, the Turks invaded, occupied and forcefully converted people to Islam. Eventually they were expelled.
The Serbs did not invade, occupy and forcefully convert anyone to Christianity. They settled that land centuries ago. Kosovo was built on settlement and not invasion, which means you were not there to invade and to be cleansed.
Are you comparing Serbs to Turks?
I've heard of the Ottoman Empire but not Serbian Empire.
On the contrary, Serbs were the ones who were invaded and not the other way around.
Hey Besim, it's funny how the countries all around the so-called Albanian lands have the same history of the Balkans but the Albanians, you guys have a different version. But all of our history is wrong except for yours. Doesn't that sound strange, you guys are right and we all are wrong. I think your history books are wrong and that Ilirian thing, well it's played out and still has to be proven with solid evidence, and the Albanian history books don't count.
Zimmerman says..."according to some important sources these people are being payed by Serbian authorities to create a chaos, or "to make Serbs feel as they are endangered'
Please share factual information with us.
Thomas Gambill, a former security chief with the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE), was responsible for overseeing the eastern region of Gjilane in Kosovo from 1999 until 2004 under the authority of the U.N. Gambill warned his U.N. superiors that the newly formed paramilitary group, the Albanian National Army, was "highly dangerous and skilled" and operating in Kosovo as well as northwestern Macedonia. But those warnings, he said, were also met with disbelief. Within months, the Albanian National Army was taking credit for terrorist attacks, prompting the U.N. to acknowledge the group's existence.
Gambill also said, "My biggest concern has always been the incursion of radical Islam into the area," said Gambill. "They're making preparations in Macedonia for terrorist attacks against internationals if Kosovo is not granted independence."
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/9/27/101219.shtml
Laura, keep dreaming, independence, I can't stop laughing. Dardania, please my side hurts! But all kidding a side the independence thing is just a dream. Autonomy, well now that's more realistic.
To Zimmerman: Dude, you have no idea who are you dealing with... Why are they arming themselves in Macedonia then? There was a big police action there recently where a lot of heavy weapons were colected. Did Serbians do that also? What's wrong with the Albanians in Macedonia? does anyone bothers them? They can do anything they want and they are still not happy. Let's also not forget that KLA at the beggining was a leftist guerila force with all the comunist markings, but only after Mr. Holdurk instructed them, they changed their way of acting. They will never accept anything less then independance and i can understand that, you can't go back now. What Serbia needs to do now is to negotiate division of kosovo, exchange of population in southern serbia and concentrate on getting Republic of Serbska from Bosnia. Kosovo is a lost cause, let them have it.
zimmerman,
You germans are by far the best and most efficient at whatever youre talking about. I guess you are happy that Albanians are doing in Serbia what Germans failed to do. Eliminate Serbs! Congrads, you have so much to be "proud" of.
I think you need to do some self reflection. If it wasn't for the Germans and Ottomans there wouldn't be these problems in the Balkans. Think about that.
what a great piece of propaganda you are presenting.... everyone is speaking straight about everything is happening, like is a black and white scenario(i am not sure about defining who is the black and the white - serbia or Kosov@). How in the world you guys know that your information is the "true" one. because when you were in elementary school a harsh teacher was lecturing the history of Balkans in accordance with the political guidance. Or because for 20 years you were following a/some serbian medias that were blindly representing some specific agenda regarding the nations in this boiling regions called not without a reason Balkans. And then what, for inertia you have to follow the same line, just because is too difficult to accept that probably you were wrong from the beggining ... tell me the source of your information about history, media, or even philosophy. Watch out from PROPAGANDA people... especially when you are used on that. Be open minded (I am talking about both sides)... and try to estimate with coldblood the situation that is going on. I am albanian... I was feeling so sad today that I saw a video in youtube about some albanians extremists covered with AKA attire... i hated that however is not a surprise that such groups exists. They are manipulated as well... In this sense I would like to see a serb to hate the extremists as well... being a nationalist in this circumstances not necessary means to be extremist, fashist, muhajedin or whatever... lets love our country but lets love people more than that ...
To the individual who popped up out of NOWHERE called USA -
Please note that although you may believe that we (the Serbs) should give up KosovO as it's a lost cause - let me point a couple of US embarassments -
*what about Katrina & the tax payer's dollars - has that been rebuilt (another lost cause).
*the war in the middle east as well as the infamous WMD of your president - yet another lost cause.
*the immigration policy & the people responsible for allowing terrorists into the USA - Mohammad Atta was granted US citizenship three to six months AFTER he flew a hijacked plane into the World Trade Center.
Why should anyone listen to YOU? All of a sudden "USA" pops up on the B92 commentary boards - When you give up Texas to the Mexicans, then come back & post!
"I don't know who are the terrorists. The killing of thousands of Croats, the massacres in Bosnia, the massacres in Kosovo. Hypocrites to the core you people are."
(James Wattson, 13. November 2007 16:18)
I beg your pardon james? Who are you referring to as a hypocrite? Is it the fact that croatians and bosnians "ethnically cleansed" 350,000+ serbs during world war 2, or was it that ante pavlic - the leader of the ustase who were responsible for those killings, just so miraculously slipped through british patrol points, only then to be accepted as one of the head popes at the vatican.... or maybe the hypocrites are the americans who play the innocent game, while shelling us for 78 days straight with depleted uranium, while at the same time we are being murded and attacked by seperatists, people who are stealing the land illegally by force. Maybe you also forget the serbian state of krajina, which now is croatian... and how do you suppose that they took that without anyone saying anything? 100,000 + people died during the balkan wars, according to you and the rest of the COMPLETELY WESTERN MEDIA who covered the war (against us at the time) suppose that no serbs where victims? It is because you, the albanians and the rest of the western world are a bunch of hypocrites. We offer Albanians autonomy of such a broad spectrum, as that it has never been seen before, and yet they still demand full independence? They all expect the serbs to compromise, well what in the proverbial fires of hell are the albanian kosovO leaders doing? They press for nothing more than war. Those terrorists patrol Northern KosovO with AK-47's, harrassing serbs, while the KFOR does nothing at all. KFOR claims that anyone who poses a threat to peace will be killed.... well wow what are these idiots doing? ANA? Like the ones who burned down monastaries dating back to as early as the 14th century, not to mention the countless times they have vandalized the graves of serbs. They are a disgrace as people. They are complete filth. Im not a racist, i have plenty of friends who are even bosnians and croatians... people are all the same, yet these arent people.
Besim - Jovan I advice you and other serbs to read the book called "KOSOVO A SHORT HISTORY" writen by NOEL MALCOLM you will see there some facts and some advice for you serbs it's not albanian book. its book that tells the truth for serbs and albanaska terroristiqki seperatistiqki lol that's how you serbs like to call us.
calling us terrorist because we fight for our own land the "MOTHERLAND".
You should do your homwork more diligently. Anyone who has access to UK tv knows this man has no other purpose than being the mouthpiece of NATO. He recently denounced the Kurds as being evil people deserving everything they get from the Turks.
The Kurds and the Albanians are in a similar position so how come he has polar opposite views on both conflicts.
Also, he decided to tell UK viewers that it was the Serbs, not the Croatian Ustache, who were allied with the Nazi's in WWII.
If that isn't propaganda of the highest order i don't know what is.
What else do you have to present as "evidence" so i can shoot that down in flames as well.
Balkan Peoples do not forget the atrocities perpetrated by the Albanians in WWII and more recently against Serbs and others. They are again poised to commit horrors just as they hae been committing since the 80s.
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