Peter, your statement is utterly ridicules. In Interpol you can find the people that are hunted by Interpol Tirana due to the facts of 1997- financial pyramidal schemes crunch, so nothing to do with mafia. Secondly, if the syndicate excuse ‘scheme’ may work for polish why not for Albanians?
Kate, you didn’t answer my question. There is a huge gap in your reckoning; you leave without explanation at least 8 years- there was a hard work of western diplomacy persuading Serbia regarding the situation in Kosova and generally in former Yugo since 1991, so nothing was done in hurry. Moreover, the independence of Kosova is/was postponed (after 1999) in hope that finally in Serbia will prevail the democracy and progressive political forces for that will accept the reality and give up of myths- since they are not true the word myth means falsity, untrue.
The right of the independence of Kosova is based on moral standards. If someone of you who have or still are filling their pockets thanks to the tragedy of the kosovar people and still judging them, that’s your problem not the problem of the legitimate right of the kosovars for independence.
Free Kosova, free Tibet, free Chechnya free all repressed, underline repressed nations- that’s my motto what’s wrong with that?
The Guardian maybe is partners with some of the "shady" elements that run the red light clubs in Londons SOHO?
The albanians have taken over everything there, prior to 99 there weren't any albanian control over the sex clubs in SOHO, now they controll over 90%
Well done! Is that going to be Kosovos main trade after their "northern cyprus" style independence recognized by none other than some "david Koresh" people in the republic of autonomic Texas? Maybe the Michigan militia will be the strongest supporter of KLA after this?
The Guardian, is undaoutly a very respectable paper.
If the worlds` people read the Guardian, and listen the BBC, and not other papers (right wing papers), there will really be a world that religion describes; peace, harmony, justice.
But guardian pwerful though it is, its not enough, and its message is not getting acroos as much yet.
Guardian simply represent huamn being of all faiths and races, and nations.Groups that are in need.
Guardian truly are agianst inustice, inhumane wars,barbarism etc, etc.
If you dislike the guardian, I can say this is becuse you are seriously doing something wrong. Your belifs are nasty. You need to addjust and look at yourself first, where on the specrtum of good and bad you stand.
Review yourself first before make a comment against the most valuble paper in Europe, and maybe even the whole world (not familiar with us papers).
The declaration of shutanovac about the intervention of the serbian army in KOSOVA is possible had wake up the people of KOSOVA and we are in high alert!
susana, your comment about serbs having per capita more nazis than any other country is laughable but in keeping with the perverse revisionism practised by so many elements of the western media. Take a look at croatia where pro nazi concerts by the singer thompson attract 60000+ nazi saluting people wherever he plays. You would never see this in serbia. Why? simple because the serbs fought against the nazis in WW2, whereas on the other hand the Bosnian muslims, the croats and the kosovo albanians fought on the same side as the nazis. The serbs , poles , and greeks were the only european nations which formed no units for fighting on the side of the nazis, and suffered for it. WW2 history is clear. serbs, poles and greeks are not nazis. croats, kosovo albanians and bosnian muslims are nazis and its no surprise to this day they still have german backing. leopards dont change their spots.
In countries such as those in the west Balkans, where the situation is still unstable and delicate, a recognition of Kosovo independence could have unpredictable consequences for the whole region, the daily says.
“The international community needs to pay more attention to its own intended moves,“ the Guardian quotes one leading European official as saying, who adds that, “A dose of tension definitely exists. We must not let it lead to a second war in the Balkans.“
Lets not forget that the West will not tolerate any regime, any country in the Balkans who will try to provoke any kind of conflict anymore. Serbs are just doing a big favor to Albanians with their Slobodan Milosevic way of thinking and acting. It is surprising though, to see the people of Serbia themselves being unable to understand how their politicians are playing with their very own existence. What are these guys gonna do when the "gosts" and "fantasms" and other "immaginary enemies" of Serbian nation don't exist anymore just like they never even existed, but in the sick minds of a small group of mafia-connected so-called-"nationalists", who care about nothing else but the real number in their secret bank accounts. I do hope that Serbia will continue this kind of ridiculous "defiance" with the West, until all the nationalities and non-Serb groups in Serbia separate each of them taking away a piece of land from the body of this sick Balkanic entity. Only then will the people of Serbia wake up to see everything "changed" without being able to point their fingers or understand what happened.
Well Serbia took a page out of the US playbook. As for Kosovo well we Serbs & friends told you so for a long time. First Condi Rice and now the Guardian. Wake up K-Albanians Pristina is lying to you there will be no independence, there will be no Kosova only Serbia's KOSOVO!!!
Ben: "such a "short" or selective memory Kate, the diplomacy was working to persuade Serbia since 1991, the bombing was to prevent the massacres that Serbia was committing since 1991."
Wrong again ben. Robin Cook MP (very pro bombing as you may remember) gave a report in the UK parliament in Jan 1999 that up until that point there had been about the same numbers of deaths on both the Serbian and Albanian 'sides'.
Touchy, aren't we? You missed my point, but since you bring this up, the Polish mafia (if there even is one, unless you are talking some theft syndicate) is negligible compared to that of the Albanian one (in fact the mafia that operates in Poland is the Russian one), so to answer your question, I don't feel anything about it, because it's a joke in comparison firstly, secondly a vast majority of Poland's organized crime is controlled by the Russian mob (amphetamine, car theft etc.).
To give you an idea, go onto Interpol and search the amount of wanted criminals there are from Poland and from Albania (even bearing in mind that there are far more Poles than Albanians in the world) to see how nonsensical your comparison was (not to mention that the Polish crimes usually don't go further than theft, and Albanian ones are more along the lines of narcotics and human trafficking and gun smuggling):
Albanians - 241
Poles - 16
To call some Polish crime syndicate a mafia is going a bit far, don't you think?
"Despite the readiness of the Kosova to become independent, as some say it is not, we will declare independence and at the same time ruling down Ahtisari’s plan, while negotiating with international community (EU and NATO) about their presence in the newly formed country."
Hahahahahaha, are you serious? I mean really, do you honestly believe what you say or are you attempting to make the rest of us laugh? "Predictor" eh? No offense buddy but I'd never use you as my gambling agent.
No, you know what? Go right ahead. Do it. Seriously, do it. Cut off all international aid to what would then be an impoverished landlocked country, effectively making Moldova look like Luxembourg in comparision, with absolutely no Western support or recognition. Who are you going to rely on for help after unilaterally declaring independence AND voting down the Ahtisaari Plan? Albania and Macedonia?
How are you going to "rule down" the Ahtisaari Plan, while "negotiating" with the international community, when you just told the international community to bugger off. How old are you predictor? B92 needs to have an age limit to write here, seriously. It is absolutely amazing what some people think and honestly believe what they think.
Peter: 'from what I have noticed, are not seen in a too positive light in some parts of Europe (especially Albanians, due to the criminals activities of the mafia)'
here in UK people worry of polish mafia (how do you feel with this Peter?), and as your friend Putin said, mafia is Italian word not Albanian.
Kate: "Yes, I was against the bombing because diplomacy had not been exhausted"
such a "short" or selective memory Kate, the diplomacy was working to persuade Serbia since 1991, the bombing was to prevent the massacres that Serbia was committing since 1991.
I would say that British papers were and are always democratic free press. Please people of Serbia get with Liberal Democratic Party and rush for the last train for integration in EU.
Serbia with existing political parties never ever going to achieve the road towards the EU, therefore is going to become isolated again just like in Milosevic era and his existing successors.
I repeat again the glory for Serbia and its people is Čedomir Jovanović…
AS TIA: "That shows you were anti bombing. So you agreed on the expulsion of All Kosovans from Kosova as these were the only two choices at the time."
This was not the case. The expulsion of people happened AFTER the bombing began. This is a recognised fact around the world.
Yes, I was against the bombing because diplomacy had not been exhausted and it was intended to bomb even before the Rambouillet talks started. Allbright believed that it would take a matter of days to make Milosevic yield.
Despite the readiness of the Kosova to become independent, as some say it is not, we will declare independence and at the same time ruling down Ahtisari’s plan, while negotiating with international community (EU and NATO) about their presence in the newly formed country.
Reason why I called my self “predictor” is exactly that that I can clearly say to you or to anyone else here or elsewhere what will indeed happen by December 2007.
What will we have to wait is, actually, only December THE 10th.
"Belgrade has opened this front by insisting on blocking a unilateral declaration of independence for its southern province after December 10, says the paper."
I know! The NERVE of Serbia actually trying to defend its own territory from unilateral dismemberment by outside powers irrespective of international law or international precedent. These Serbs never learn, do they? The arrogance!!!
Just because the governments of certain countries support the independence of Kosovo doesn't mean that the people do too. There are lots of people who oppose this, and they have their reasons.
You seem to think the world is anti-Serbian and pro-Albanian. To be frank with you, most of the world does not care about either people, and from what I have noticed, are not seen in a too positive light in some parts of Europe (especially Albanians, due to the criminals activities of the mafia), so be prepared that people will sometimes be pro/anti-Serbian or pro/anti-Albanian even if they don't belong to either group. The world is far greater than the Balkans and everyone is entitled to their opinions.
To Peter Sadyka in regards to the link you provided.
It is really sad what you are reading. You must have enormous amounts of time to read those kinds of lies.
Kate you say:
Who really cares what The Guardian feels? They were always completely anti-Serbian and pro-bombing in 1999 so this report does not come as a surprise.
That shows you were anti bombing. So you agreed on the expulsion of All Kosovans from Kosova as these were the only two choices at the time.
And to the Serbian camp. Nobody is stealing your land.
Have you noticed something? When you ask somebody from kosova where he's from, they will proudly reply: I am from Kosova. I am a Kosovan. That's going to be a citizenship.
Please note: this comment is not aimed at all Serbs. I know people from Serbia and I believe majority of them are peaceful people but I guess they should be more careful who they vote for in the future.
Susana,
whats your problem with Non-Serbs acting/thinking like Serbs?
Every civilized european that closed his ears to the negative anti-serb propaganda
and took the initiative to travel *alone* in Srbija, i can assure you, he/she will always have Srbija in his/her heart.
Now compare this to the random remote pro-albanian political views of people that cant locate albania on map.
P.S.
Albanians are getting so desparate, they even support
abolishment of RS!
Where is this world coming too!!
Yes how dare those Serbs not give away their ancestral homeland and the cradle of their civilization, Kosovo. How dare they demand self determination for Serbs in Bosnia when we all know that Serbs are not entitled to self determination, but all others in ex-Yugoslavia are.
This is the kind of twisted logic and anti-Serb double standards that the Guardian has been spewing for years.
Spka is not a kosovo Bosnian, for split bosnia on 3 three pices for serbians croats and bosnians and this be fair serbia and croatia must partitioned in 3 too but the best is Croatia for croatians Bosnia to bosnians and Serbia to serbians. All theses questions/problems is because the fairy tale of multiethnic nations was imposed aiming a future serbian control of the region (serbia was the 2war good guy) now is necessary understand that in a region where genocide and mass rapes was used will not lose its national identity, first all people need be free of the others or all from serbs in a realistic view only then can the reconciliation take place. Kosova is not serbian but a political gift to serbians that now shows the irrealistic approach of resolve the partition of yugoslavia thru force (and "legal papers"). Serbia like thecos eslovaquians macedonians etc need be aware that in future only will own their actual territory. Serbia leaders are playing a game with a atonished world a tied world they think but Serbia is tiring and losing credibility with this farwest macho approach and childish misconceptions for try the win-win. Please serbians keep your heads dont try bother the world because you want balkans like serbian colony this concept and chances for that is past now.
“We spent the 1990s worrying about a Greater Serbia. That's finished. We are going to spend time well into the next century worrying about a Greater Albania.”
Christopher R. Hill, US Ambassador to F.Y.R.O.M., 1999
Do you have a link for that Peter?
(Peter Sudyka, 13. November 2007 11:04)
Our dear Kate has again started with anti- Albanian tirades. Some times she sounds more Serb than the Serbs
For me it is very difficult to see how capable Serbs are to run a country. Almost 13 years after the Srebrenica massacre, Mladic and Karadzic still are at large, hiding in Serbia, protected and financed by Serbian Government. Every day we are reading about Serbia becoming the country with the largest number of Nazi- supporters per capita in the world. Serbia has a PM who has denied any war crimes committed by Serbs. He did this in 2000 in Cacak, just few months after Beta took picture of him holding a Kalashnikov in Kosovo and telling the local Serbs what they should do with it.
I am very familiar with the Guardian newspaper and occasionally even buy it if a particular story interests me. However during the nineties this newspaper was at the centre of a section of the British liberal/left that completely lost its soul and totally bought into the US/NATO agenda in relation to the Balkans.This has not changed.
I'm not sure, but the latest moves from Belgrade could be interpreted as "if you take Kosovo, we will take RS". It is a simplification, but I can't help it, this is the feeling I get when I read about the development lately.
Serbs are continuing their threats and Slobodan policies. They just don't get it or want to understand what their policies and actions have caused. They are their own worst enemy even Montenegro culturally similar had enough of Serbs policies and trouble making separated them selfs from the Serbs. How hard dose it have to get for the Serbs. Until they turn from their policies and distractive course of actions ,confrontations with the world and their neighbors. I guess the bulling it will continue as long as their neighbors are paying a higher price.
The Guardian's article ends “A dose of tension definitely exists. We must not let it lead to a second war in the Balkans.“
I fear that it could lead also, potentially, to a new world war.
As usual thanks to the Balkans, one should say.
The report by a UK commentator also says, "The European commission's Kosovo chapter makes particularly grim reading, raising serious questions about the province's viability. Corruption, human rights abuses and organised crime are endemic, it says. Institutions are weak, witnesses to war crimes are intimidated, and minority rights are routinely infringed. The overall picture presented is hardly one of a nation state ready for self-rule."
Time is running out for both KiM and the Balkans as a whole. The politicians should think more about the potential for renewed fighting and less about their own petty pride and self agrandisement. But then Balkan politicians have never been slow to promote themselves at the expense of their so-called 'constituents'.
I have stated previously my feeling that KiM will become 'independent' at some stage. I do not think that UDI is the best way to achieve a lasting state. But the 'face' of politics is obviously far more important than the lives or ordinary people.
The Balkan peoples really do deserve better representation.
Serbia losing a piece of its land outside of laws that are meant to preserve global stability will obviously lead them to threaten to recognize RS, because the Kosovo action is illegal and shows that international law has been bypassed and that anyone can recognize whoever they want now, it would seem.
I do not think Serbia is a danger anymore. More dangerous are these Albanian separatists, they have found a niche and it has worked before, so with this in mind they will probably try again, even at the behest of their own innocent civilians.
To conclude with a quote:
“We spent the 1990s worrying about a Greater Serbia. That's finished. We are going to spend time well into the next century worrying about a Greater Albania.”
Christopher R. Hill, US Ambassador to F.Y.R.O.M., 1999
Headline says a lot. Serbian politicians are prepared to risk lifes of B-Serbs again to support their claims for governing Serbia and wining more votes. I just wonder how much support will they have in Serbia proper for this kind of move. I guess, people in Bosnia are very confused and scared form risky Serbian politicians.
I have been saying for a long time, Serbs need to remove these politicians form the scene since they are serving according to their needs not to mention K-Serbs that are nowhere in their scope. I just wonder how much are people of Serbia going to take before they overturn this government that deals solely with Kosova issue knowing that they have no say at it.
Kosova is gone, currently Kosova is being jointly governed by IC and K-Institutions. Faster people like the current politicians and 1/4 of Serbian population accept it better.
This headline tells how desperate have Serbian politicians become. They are going to loose Kosova and maybe power in Serbia. They will loose only Kosovo if Kosovars proclaim the Coordinated Independence after the Serbian elections, in this case Kosovars would be doing a favour to Serbia politicians but not to Serbian nation.
I have a feeling they are talking about that born and raised communist thinking he knows what democracy is- Lajcek.
Is the Guardian newspaper the one that took black humour out of context in 1991 when a comedian talked about Seselj gouging the eyes out of the enemy with a shoe horn, but replaced it with the word “spoon”? How much credibility do you think we have with the Guardian since 1991? Was Slovakia still communist back then?
Again some journalistic story that worns the whole world about the Serbs and Serbia's unduly intentions. First of all this journalist should be explained that there is parallel between Kosovo and Srpska (if not sure he/she might make some in depth research).Second thing, this journalist is a bit late with this story since the events and demarches took place some week and half ago. Thirdly, this jornalist should make some god interview with relevant factors from EU,USA and explore their reall stand on Kosovo independence. The story of this journalist is totaly the oposite of what Mrs Rice had been talking yeterday and Germany's officials few days ago. I am sure there will be no any recognition of Kosovo independence. They are all way to silent on the final status in the past few weeks.
Who really cares what The Guardian feels? They were always completely anti-Serbian and pro-bombing in 1999 so this report does not come as a surprise.
Why do they think that Serbia is just being belligerent in not allowing part of its territory to be handed over to a mono-ethnic separatist group? Are they supposed to just roll over and accept this? No country would.
But the fact that even The Guardian accepts that Kosovo is not ready to be an independent entity speaks volumes. This is a reflection of what Ms Rice said yesterday.
If these strongest proponents of independence feel this way, then it looks as though independence is well and truly off the table.
This is the flip side of the same coin. The arrogance among US and some European administrations to think that they can carve up someone else's country will also bounce back on the Albanians. There is a belief that they can decide their fate as well, and seeing as they are not an established nation and currently a protectorate, it probably will ultimately be their decision.
"Belgrade has, by the looks of things, opened “a new, very dangerous front,“ writes the Guardian.
Belgrade has opened this front by insisting on blocking a unilateral declaration of independence for its southern province after December 10, says the paper."
What rubbish! Belgrade did not open any new front. It has always maintained its sovereignty over Kosovo -- this is nothing new.
This British reporter obviously lost some episodes.
The guy just wrote to fill his column with outdated anti-Serb
rhetoric right out of the closet, hoping no one will read his inaccuracies.
Greece and Russia only?
How about Romania, Cyprus, Spain, Slovakia?
Cyprus is confirmed to pose a veto.
B92 why post such articles and add more noise to the hazy landscape already?
Serbia losing a piece of its land outside of laws that are meant to preserve global stability will obviously lead them to threaten to recognize RS, because the Kosovo action is illegal and shows that international law has been bypassed and that anyone can recognize whoever they want now, it would seem.
I do not think Serbia is a danger anymore. More dangerous are these Albanian separatists, they have found a niche and it has worked before, so with this in mind they will probably try again, even at the behest of their own innocent civilians.
To conclude with a quote:
“We spent the 1990s worrying about a Greater Serbia. That's finished. We are going to spend time well into the next century worrying about a Greater Albania.”
Christopher R. Hill, US Ambassador to F.Y.R.O.M., 1999
This British reporter obviously lost some episodes.
The guy just wrote to fill his column with outdated anti-Serb
rhetoric right out of the closet, hoping no one will read his inaccuracies.
Greece and Russia only?
How about Romania, Cyprus, Spain, Slovakia?
Cyprus is confirmed to pose a veto.
B92 why post such articles and add more noise to the hazy landscape already?
"Belgrade has, by the looks of things, opened “a new, very dangerous front,“ writes the Guardian.
Belgrade has opened this front by insisting on blocking a unilateral declaration of independence for its southern province after December 10, says the paper."
What rubbish! Belgrade did not open any new front. It has always maintained its sovereignty over Kosovo -- this is nothing new.
Who really cares what The Guardian feels? They were always completely anti-Serbian and pro-bombing in 1999 so this report does not come as a surprise.
Why do they think that Serbia is just being belligerent in not allowing part of its territory to be handed over to a mono-ethnic separatist group? Are they supposed to just roll over and accept this? No country would.
But the fact that even The Guardian accepts that Kosovo is not ready to be an independent entity speaks volumes. This is a reflection of what Ms Rice said yesterday.
If these strongest proponents of independence feel this way, then it looks as though independence is well and truly off the table.
This is the flip side of the same coin. The arrogance among US and some European administrations to think that they can carve up someone else's country will also bounce back on the Albanians. There is a belief that they can decide their fate as well, and seeing as they are not an established nation and currently a protectorate, it probably will ultimately be their decision.
Again some journalistic story that worns the whole world about the Serbs and Serbia's unduly intentions. First of all this journalist should be explained that there is parallel between Kosovo and Srpska (if not sure he/she might make some in depth research).Second thing, this journalist is a bit late with this story since the events and demarches took place some week and half ago. Thirdly, this jornalist should make some god interview with relevant factors from EU,USA and explore their reall stand on Kosovo independence. The story of this journalist is totaly the oposite of what Mrs Rice had been talking yeterday and Germany's officials few days ago. I am sure there will be no any recognition of Kosovo independence. They are all way to silent on the final status in the past few weeks.
Yes how dare those Serbs not give away their ancestral homeland and the cradle of their civilization, Kosovo. How dare they demand self determination for Serbs in Bosnia when we all know that Serbs are not entitled to self determination, but all others in ex-Yugoslavia are.
This is the kind of twisted logic and anti-Serb double standards that the Guardian has been spewing for years.
Our dear Kate has again started with anti- Albanian tirades. Some times she sounds more Serb than the Serbs
For me it is very difficult to see how capable Serbs are to run a country. Almost 13 years after the Srebrenica massacre, Mladic and Karadzic still are at large, hiding in Serbia, protected and financed by Serbian Government. Every day we are reading about Serbia becoming the country with the largest number of Nazi- supporters per capita in the world. Serbia has a PM who has denied any war crimes committed by Serbs. He did this in 2000 in Cacak, just few months after Beta took picture of him holding a Kalashnikov in Kosovo and telling the local Serbs what they should do with it.
Serbs are continuing their threats and Slobodan policies. They just don't get it or want to understand what their policies and actions have caused. They are their own worst enemy even Montenegro culturally similar had enough of Serbs policies and trouble making separated them selfs from the Serbs. How hard dose it have to get for the Serbs. Until they turn from their policies and distractive course of actions ,confrontations with the world and their neighbors. I guess the bulling it will continue as long as their neighbors are paying a higher price.
Just because the governments of certain countries support the independence of Kosovo doesn't mean that the people do too. There are lots of people who oppose this, and they have their reasons.
You seem to think the world is anti-Serbian and pro-Albanian. To be frank with you, most of the world does not care about either people, and from what I have noticed, are not seen in a too positive light in some parts of Europe (especially Albanians, due to the criminals activities of the mafia), so be prepared that people will sometimes be pro/anti-Serbian or pro/anti-Albanian even if they don't belong to either group. The world is far greater than the Balkans and everyone is entitled to their opinions.
I am very familiar with the Guardian newspaper and occasionally even buy it if a particular story interests me. However during the nineties this newspaper was at the centre of a section of the British liberal/left that completely lost its soul and totally bought into the US/NATO agenda in relation to the Balkans.This has not changed.
Susana,
whats your problem with Non-Serbs acting/thinking like Serbs?
Every civilized european that closed his ears to the negative anti-serb propaganda
and took the initiative to travel *alone* in Srbija, i can assure you, he/she will always have Srbija in his/her heart.
Now compare this to the random remote pro-albanian political views of people that cant locate albania on map.
P.S.
Albanians are getting so desparate, they even support
abolishment of RS!
Where is this world coming too!!
"Belgrade has opened this front by insisting on blocking a unilateral declaration of independence for its southern province after December 10, says the paper."
I know! The NERVE of Serbia actually trying to defend its own territory from unilateral dismemberment by outside powers irrespective of international law or international precedent. These Serbs never learn, do they? The arrogance!!!
I have a feeling they are talking about that born and raised communist thinking he knows what democracy is- Lajcek.
Is the Guardian newspaper the one that took black humour out of context in 1991 when a comedian talked about Seselj gouging the eyes out of the enemy with a shoe horn, but replaced it with the word “spoon”? How much credibility do you think we have with the Guardian since 1991? Was Slovakia still communist back then?
Peter: 'from what I have noticed, are not seen in a too positive light in some parts of Europe (especially Albanians, due to the criminals activities of the mafia)'
here in UK people worry of polish mafia (how do you feel with this Peter?), and as your friend Putin said, mafia is Italian word not Albanian.
Kate: "Yes, I was against the bombing because diplomacy had not been exhausted"
such a "short" or selective memory Kate, the diplomacy was working to persuade Serbia since 1991, the bombing was to prevent the massacres that Serbia was committing since 1991.
Headline says a lot. Serbian politicians are prepared to risk lifes of B-Serbs again to support their claims for governing Serbia and wining more votes. I just wonder how much support will they have in Serbia proper for this kind of move. I guess, people in Bosnia are very confused and scared form risky Serbian politicians.
I have been saying for a long time, Serbs need to remove these politicians form the scene since they are serving according to their needs not to mention K-Serbs that are nowhere in their scope. I just wonder how much are people of Serbia going to take before they overturn this government that deals solely with Kosova issue knowing that they have no say at it.
Kosova is gone, currently Kosova is being jointly governed by IC and K-Institutions. Faster people like the current politicians and 1/4 of Serbian population accept it better.
This headline tells how desperate have Serbian politicians become. They are going to loose Kosova and maybe power in Serbia. They will loose only Kosovo if Kosovars proclaim the Coordinated Independence after the Serbian elections, in this case Kosovars would be doing a favour to Serbia politicians but not to Serbian nation.
susana, your comment about serbs having per capita more nazis than any other country is laughable but in keeping with the perverse revisionism practised by so many elements of the western media. Take a look at croatia where pro nazi concerts by the singer thompson attract 60000+ nazi saluting people wherever he plays. You would never see this in serbia. Why? simple because the serbs fought against the nazis in WW2, whereas on the other hand the Bosnian muslims, the croats and the kosovo albanians fought on the same side as the nazis. The serbs , poles , and greeks were the only european nations which formed no units for fighting on the side of the nazis, and suffered for it. WW2 history is clear. serbs, poles and greeks are not nazis. croats, kosovo albanians and bosnian muslims are nazis and its no surprise to this day they still have german backing. leopards dont change their spots.
"Despite the readiness of the Kosova to become independent, as some say it is not, we will declare independence and at the same time ruling down Ahtisari’s plan, while negotiating with international community (EU and NATO) about their presence in the newly formed country."
Hahahahahaha, are you serious? I mean really, do you honestly believe what you say or are you attempting to make the rest of us laugh? "Predictor" eh? No offense buddy but I'd never use you as my gambling agent.
No, you know what? Go right ahead. Do it. Seriously, do it. Cut off all international aid to what would then be an impoverished landlocked country, effectively making Moldova look like Luxembourg in comparision, with absolutely no Western support or recognition. Who are you going to rely on for help after unilaterally declaring independence AND voting down the Ahtisaari Plan? Albania and Macedonia?
How are you going to "rule down" the Ahtisaari Plan, while "negotiating" with the international community, when you just told the international community to bugger off. How old are you predictor? B92 needs to have an age limit to write here, seriously. It is absolutely amazing what some people think and honestly believe what they think.
Touchy, aren't we? You missed my point, but since you bring this up, the Polish mafia (if there even is one, unless you are talking some theft syndicate) is negligible compared to that of the Albanian one (in fact the mafia that operates in Poland is the Russian one), so to answer your question, I don't feel anything about it, because it's a joke in comparison firstly, secondly a vast majority of Poland's organized crime is controlled by the Russian mob (amphetamine, car theft etc.).
To give you an idea, go onto Interpol and search the amount of wanted criminals there are from Poland and from Albania (even bearing in mind that there are far more Poles than Albanians in the world) to see how nonsensical your comparison was (not to mention that the Polish crimes usually don't go further than theft, and Albanian ones are more along the lines of narcotics and human trafficking and gun smuggling):
Albanians - 241
Poles - 16
To call some Polish crime syndicate a mafia is going a bit far, don't you think?
Well Serbia took a page out of the US playbook. As for Kosovo well we Serbs & friends told you so for a long time. First Condi Rice and now the Guardian. Wake up K-Albanians Pristina is lying to you there will be no independence, there will be no Kosova only Serbia's KOSOVO!!!
Ben: "such a "short" or selective memory Kate, the diplomacy was working to persuade Serbia since 1991, the bombing was to prevent the massacres that Serbia was committing since 1991."
Wrong again ben. Robin Cook MP (very pro bombing as you may remember) gave a report in the UK parliament in Jan 1999 that up until that point there had been about the same numbers of deaths on both the Serbian and Albanian 'sides'.
To Peter Sadyka in regards to the link you provided.
It is really sad what you are reading. You must have enormous amounts of time to read those kinds of lies.
Kate you say:
Who really cares what The Guardian feels? They were always completely anti-Serbian and pro-bombing in 1999 so this report does not come as a surprise.
That shows you were anti bombing. So you agreed on the expulsion of All Kosovans from Kosova as these were the only two choices at the time.
And to the Serbian camp. Nobody is stealing your land.
Have you noticed something? When you ask somebody from kosova where he's from, they will proudly reply: I am from Kosova. I am a Kosovan. That's going to be a citizenship.
Please note: this comment is not aimed at all Serbs. I know people from Serbia and I believe majority of them are peaceful people but I guess they should be more careful who they vote for in the future.
AS TIA: "That shows you were anti bombing. So you agreed on the expulsion of All Kosovans from Kosova as these were the only two choices at the time."
This was not the case. The expulsion of people happened AFTER the bombing began. This is a recognised fact around the world.
Yes, I was against the bombing because diplomacy had not been exhausted and it was intended to bomb even before the Rambouillet talks started. Allbright believed that it would take a matter of days to make Milosevic yield.
In countries such as those in the west Balkans, where the situation is still unstable and delicate, a recognition of Kosovo independence could have unpredictable consequences for the whole region, the daily says.
“The international community needs to pay more attention to its own intended moves,“ the Guardian quotes one leading European official as saying, who adds that, “A dose of tension definitely exists. We must not let it lead to a second war in the Balkans.“
I'm not sure, but the latest moves from Belgrade could be interpreted as "if you take Kosovo, we will take RS". It is a simplification, but I can't help it, this is the feeling I get when I read about the development lately.
Despite the readiness of the Kosova to become independent, as some say it is not, we will declare independence and at the same time ruling down Ahtisari’s plan, while negotiating with international community (EU and NATO) about their presence in the newly formed country.
Reason why I called my self “predictor” is exactly that that I can clearly say to you or to anyone else here or elsewhere what will indeed happen by December 2007.
What will we have to wait is, actually, only December THE 10th.
I would say that British papers were and are always democratic free press. Please people of Serbia get with Liberal Democratic Party and rush for the last train for integration in EU.
Serbia with existing political parties never ever going to achieve the road towards the EU, therefore is going to become isolated again just like in Milosevic era and his existing successors.
I repeat again the glory for Serbia and its people is Čedomir Jovanović…
The Guardian maybe is partners with some of the "shady" elements that run the red light clubs in Londons SOHO?
The albanians have taken over everything there, prior to 99 there weren't any albanian control over the sex clubs in SOHO, now they controll over 90%
Well done! Is that going to be Kosovos main trade after their "northern cyprus" style independence recognized by none other than some "david Koresh" people in the republic of autonomic Texas? Maybe the Michigan militia will be the strongest supporter of KLA after this?
The Guardian's article ends “A dose of tension definitely exists. We must not let it lead to a second war in the Balkans.“
I fear that it could lead also, potentially, to a new world war.
As usual thanks to the Balkans, one should say.
Spka is not a kosovo Bosnian, for split bosnia on 3 three pices for serbians croats and bosnians and this be fair serbia and croatia must partitioned in 3 too but the best is Croatia for croatians Bosnia to bosnians and Serbia to serbians. All theses questions/problems is because the fairy tale of multiethnic nations was imposed aiming a future serbian control of the region (serbia was the 2war good guy) now is necessary understand that in a region where genocide and mass rapes was used will not lose its national identity, first all people need be free of the others or all from serbs in a realistic view only then can the reconciliation take place. Kosova is not serbian but a political gift to serbians that now shows the irrealistic approach of resolve the partition of yugoslavia thru force (and "legal papers"). Serbia like thecos eslovaquians macedonians etc need be aware that in future only will own their actual territory. Serbia leaders are playing a game with a atonished world a tied world they think but Serbia is tiring and losing credibility with this farwest macho approach and childish misconceptions for try the win-win. Please serbians keep your heads dont try bother the world because you want balkans like serbian colony this concept and chances for that is past now.
“We spent the 1990s worrying about a Greater Serbia. That's finished. We are going to spend time well into the next century worrying about a Greater Albania.”
Christopher R. Hill, US Ambassador to F.Y.R.O.M., 1999
Do you have a link for that Peter?
(Peter Sudyka, 13. November 2007 11:04)
Lets not forget that the West will not tolerate any regime, any country in the Balkans who will try to provoke any kind of conflict anymore. Serbs are just doing a big favor to Albanians with their Slobodan Milosevic way of thinking and acting. It is surprising though, to see the people of Serbia themselves being unable to understand how their politicians are playing with their very own existence. What are these guys gonna do when the "gosts" and "fantasms" and other "immaginary enemies" of Serbian nation don't exist anymore just like they never even existed, but in the sick minds of a small group of mafia-connected so-called-"nationalists", who care about nothing else but the real number in their secret bank accounts. I do hope that Serbia will continue this kind of ridiculous "defiance" with the West, until all the nationalities and non-Serb groups in Serbia separate each of them taking away a piece of land from the body of this sick Balkanic entity. Only then will the people of Serbia wake up to see everything "changed" without being able to point their fingers or understand what happened.
The Guardian, is undaoutly a very respectable paper.
If the worlds` people read the Guardian, and listen the BBC, and not other papers (right wing papers), there will really be a world that religion describes; peace, harmony, justice.
But guardian pwerful though it is, its not enough, and its message is not getting acroos as much yet.
Guardian simply represent huamn being of all faiths and races, and nations.Groups that are in need.
Guardian truly are agianst inustice, inhumane wars,barbarism etc, etc.
If you dislike the guardian, I can say this is becuse you are seriously doing something wrong. Your belifs are nasty. You need to addjust and look at yourself first, where on the specrtum of good and bad you stand.
Review yourself first before make a comment against the most valuble paper in Europe, and maybe even the whole world (not familiar with us papers).
The report by a UK commentator also says, "The European commission's Kosovo chapter makes particularly grim reading, raising serious questions about the province's viability. Corruption, human rights abuses and organised crime are endemic, it says. Institutions are weak, witnesses to war crimes are intimidated, and minority rights are routinely infringed. The overall picture presented is hardly one of a nation state ready for self-rule."
Time is running out for both KiM and the Balkans as a whole. The politicians should think more about the potential for renewed fighting and less about their own petty pride and self agrandisement. But then Balkan politicians have never been slow to promote themselves at the expense of their so-called 'constituents'.
I have stated previously my feeling that KiM will become 'independent' at some stage. I do not think that UDI is the best way to achieve a lasting state. But the 'face' of politics is obviously far more important than the lives or ordinary people.
The Balkan peoples really do deserve better representation.
The declaration of shutanovac about the intervention of the serbian army in KOSOVA is possible had wake up the people of KOSOVA and we are in high alert!
Peter, your statement is utterly ridicules. In Interpol you can find the people that are hunted by Interpol Tirana due to the facts of 1997- financial pyramidal schemes crunch, so nothing to do with mafia. Secondly, if the syndicate excuse ‘scheme’ may work for polish why not for Albanians?
Kate, you didn’t answer my question. There is a huge gap in your reckoning; you leave without explanation at least 8 years- there was a hard work of western diplomacy persuading Serbia regarding the situation in Kosova and generally in former Yugo since 1991, so nothing was done in hurry. Moreover, the independence of Kosova is/was postponed (after 1999) in hope that finally in Serbia will prevail the democracy and progressive political forces for that will accept the reality and give up of myths- since they are not true the word myth means falsity, untrue.
The right of the independence of Kosova is based on moral standards. If someone of you who have or still are filling their pockets thanks to the tragedy of the kosovar people and still judging them, that’s your problem not the problem of the legitimate right of the kosovars for independence.
Free Kosova, free Tibet, free Chechnya free all repressed, underline repressed nations- that’s my motto what’s wrong with that?
Our dear Kate has again started with anti- Albanian tirades. Some times she sounds more Serb than the Serbs
For me it is very difficult to see how capable Serbs are to run a country. Almost 13 years after the Srebrenica massacre, Mladic and Karadzic still are at large, hiding in Serbia, protected and financed by Serbian Government. Every day we are reading about Serbia becoming the country with the largest number of Nazi- supporters per capita in the world. Serbia has a PM who has denied any war crimes committed by Serbs. He did this in 2000 in Cacak, just few months after Beta took picture of him holding a Kalashnikov in Kosovo and telling the local Serbs what they should do with it.
Serbs are continuing their threats and Slobodan policies. They just don't get it or want to understand what their policies and actions have caused. They are their own worst enemy even Montenegro culturally similar had enough of Serbs policies and trouble making separated them selfs from the Serbs. How hard dose it have to get for the Serbs. Until they turn from their policies and distractive course of actions ,confrontations with the world and their neighbors. I guess the bulling it will continue as long as their neighbors are paying a higher price.
Headline says a lot. Serbian politicians are prepared to risk lifes of B-Serbs again to support their claims for governing Serbia and wining more votes. I just wonder how much support will they have in Serbia proper for this kind of move. I guess, people in Bosnia are very confused and scared form risky Serbian politicians.
I have been saying for a long time, Serbs need to remove these politicians form the scene since they are serving according to their needs not to mention K-Serbs that are nowhere in their scope. I just wonder how much are people of Serbia going to take before they overturn this government that deals solely with Kosova issue knowing that they have no say at it.
Kosova is gone, currently Kosova is being jointly governed by IC and K-Institutions. Faster people like the current politicians and 1/4 of Serbian population accept it better.
This headline tells how desperate have Serbian politicians become. They are going to loose Kosova and maybe power in Serbia. They will loose only Kosovo if Kosovars proclaim the Coordinated Independence after the Serbian elections, in this case Kosovars would be doing a favour to Serbia politicians but not to Serbian nation.
Spka is not a kosovo Bosnian, for split bosnia on 3 three pices for serbians croats and bosnians and this be fair serbia and croatia must partitioned in 3 too but the best is Croatia for croatians Bosnia to bosnians and Serbia to serbians. All theses questions/problems is because the fairy tale of multiethnic nations was imposed aiming a future serbian control of the region (serbia was the 2war good guy) now is necessary understand that in a region where genocide and mass rapes was used will not lose its national identity, first all people need be free of the others or all from serbs in a realistic view only then can the reconciliation take place. Kosova is not serbian but a political gift to serbians that now shows the irrealistic approach of resolve the partition of yugoslavia thru force (and "legal papers"). Serbia like thecos eslovaquians macedonians etc need be aware that in future only will own their actual territory. Serbia leaders are playing a game with a atonished world a tied world they think but Serbia is tiring and losing credibility with this farwest macho approach and childish misconceptions for try the win-win. Please serbians keep your heads dont try bother the world because you want balkans like serbian colony this concept and chances for that is past now.
This British reporter obviously lost some episodes.
The guy just wrote to fill his column with outdated anti-Serb
rhetoric right out of the closet, hoping no one will read his inaccuracies.
Greece and Russia only?
How about Romania, Cyprus, Spain, Slovakia?
Cyprus is confirmed to pose a veto.
B92 why post such articles and add more noise to the hazy landscape already?
Who really cares what The Guardian feels? They were always completely anti-Serbian and pro-bombing in 1999 so this report does not come as a surprise.
Why do they think that Serbia is just being belligerent in not allowing part of its territory to be handed over to a mono-ethnic separatist group? Are they supposed to just roll over and accept this? No country would.
But the fact that even The Guardian accepts that Kosovo is not ready to be an independent entity speaks volumes. This is a reflection of what Ms Rice said yesterday.
If these strongest proponents of independence feel this way, then it looks as though independence is well and truly off the table.
This is the flip side of the same coin. The arrogance among US and some European administrations to think that they can carve up someone else's country will also bounce back on the Albanians. There is a belief that they can decide their fate as well, and seeing as they are not an established nation and currently a protectorate, it probably will ultimately be their decision.
Peter: 'from what I have noticed, are not seen in a too positive light in some parts of Europe (especially Albanians, due to the criminals activities of the mafia)'
here in UK people worry of polish mafia (how do you feel with this Peter?), and as your friend Putin said, mafia is Italian word not Albanian.
Kate: "Yes, I was against the bombing because diplomacy had not been exhausted"
such a "short" or selective memory Kate, the diplomacy was working to persuade Serbia since 1991, the bombing was to prevent the massacres that Serbia was committing since 1991.
"Belgrade has, by the looks of things, opened “a new, very dangerous front,“ writes the Guardian.
Belgrade has opened this front by insisting on blocking a unilateral declaration of independence for its southern province after December 10, says the paper."
What rubbish! Belgrade did not open any new front. It has always maintained its sovereignty over Kosovo -- this is nothing new.
Serbia losing a piece of its land outside of laws that are meant to preserve global stability will obviously lead them to threaten to recognize RS, because the Kosovo action is illegal and shows that international law has been bypassed and that anyone can recognize whoever they want now, it would seem.
I do not think Serbia is a danger anymore. More dangerous are these Albanian separatists, they have found a niche and it has worked before, so with this in mind they will probably try again, even at the behest of their own innocent civilians.
To conclude with a quote:
“We spent the 1990s worrying about a Greater Serbia. That's finished. We are going to spend time well into the next century worrying about a Greater Albania.”
Christopher R. Hill, US Ambassador to F.Y.R.O.M., 1999
To Peter Sadyka in regards to the link you provided.
It is really sad what you are reading. You must have enormous amounts of time to read those kinds of lies.
Kate you say:
Who really cares what The Guardian feels? They were always completely anti-Serbian and pro-bombing in 1999 so this report does not come as a surprise.
That shows you were anti bombing. So you agreed on the expulsion of All Kosovans from Kosova as these were the only two choices at the time.
And to the Serbian camp. Nobody is stealing your land.
Have you noticed something? When you ask somebody from kosova where he's from, they will proudly reply: I am from Kosova. I am a Kosovan. That's going to be a citizenship.
Please note: this comment is not aimed at all Serbs. I know people from Serbia and I believe majority of them are peaceful people but I guess they should be more careful who they vote for in the future.
AS TIA: "That shows you were anti bombing. So you agreed on the expulsion of All Kosovans from Kosova as these were the only two choices at the time."
This was not the case. The expulsion of people happened AFTER the bombing began. This is a recognised fact around the world.
Yes, I was against the bombing because diplomacy had not been exhausted and it was intended to bomb even before the Rambouillet talks started. Allbright believed that it would take a matter of days to make Milosevic yield.
Well Serbia took a page out of the US playbook. As for Kosovo well we Serbs & friends told you so for a long time. First Condi Rice and now the Guardian. Wake up K-Albanians Pristina is lying to you there will be no independence, there will be no Kosova only Serbia's KOSOVO!!!
Ben: "such a "short" or selective memory Kate, the diplomacy was working to persuade Serbia since 1991, the bombing was to prevent the massacres that Serbia was committing since 1991."
Wrong again ben. Robin Cook MP (very pro bombing as you may remember) gave a report in the UK parliament in Jan 1999 that up until that point there had been about the same numbers of deaths on both the Serbian and Albanian 'sides'.
The declaration of shutanovac about the intervention of the serbian army in KOSOVA is possible had wake up the people of KOSOVA and we are in high alert!
I have a feeling they are talking about that born and raised communist thinking he knows what democracy is- Lajcek.
Is the Guardian newspaper the one that took black humour out of context in 1991 when a comedian talked about Seselj gouging the eyes out of the enemy with a shoe horn, but replaced it with the word “spoon”? How much credibility do you think we have with the Guardian since 1991? Was Slovakia still communist back then?
Again some journalistic story that worns the whole world about the Serbs and Serbia's unduly intentions. First of all this journalist should be explained that there is parallel between Kosovo and Srpska (if not sure he/she might make some in depth research).Second thing, this journalist is a bit late with this story since the events and demarches took place some week and half ago. Thirdly, this jornalist should make some god interview with relevant factors from EU,USA and explore their reall stand on Kosovo independence. The story of this journalist is totaly the oposite of what Mrs Rice had been talking yeterday and Germany's officials few days ago. I am sure there will be no any recognition of Kosovo independence. They are all way to silent on the final status in the past few weeks.
The Guardian's article ends “A dose of tension definitely exists. We must not let it lead to a second war in the Balkans.“
I fear that it could lead also, potentially, to a new world war.
As usual thanks to the Balkans, one should say.
“We spent the 1990s worrying about a Greater Serbia. That's finished. We are going to spend time well into the next century worrying about a Greater Albania.”
Christopher R. Hill, US Ambassador to F.Y.R.O.M., 1999
Do you have a link for that Peter?
(Peter Sudyka, 13. November 2007 11:04)
Susana,
whats your problem with Non-Serbs acting/thinking like Serbs?
Every civilized european that closed his ears to the negative anti-serb propaganda
and took the initiative to travel *alone* in Srbija, i can assure you, he/she will always have Srbija in his/her heart.
Now compare this to the random remote pro-albanian political views of people that cant locate albania on map.
P.S.
Albanians are getting so desparate, they even support
abolishment of RS!
Where is this world coming too!!
Just because the governments of certain countries support the independence of Kosovo doesn't mean that the people do too. There are lots of people who oppose this, and they have their reasons.
You seem to think the world is anti-Serbian and pro-Albanian. To be frank with you, most of the world does not care about either people, and from what I have noticed, are not seen in a too positive light in some parts of Europe (especially Albanians, due to the criminals activities of the mafia), so be prepared that people will sometimes be pro/anti-Serbian or pro/anti-Albanian even if they don't belong to either group. The world is far greater than the Balkans and everyone is entitled to their opinions.
Despite the readiness of the Kosova to become independent, as some say it is not, we will declare independence and at the same time ruling down Ahtisari’s plan, while negotiating with international community (EU and NATO) about their presence in the newly formed country.
Reason why I called my self “predictor” is exactly that that I can clearly say to you or to anyone else here or elsewhere what will indeed happen by December 2007.
What will we have to wait is, actually, only December THE 10th.
"Belgrade has opened this front by insisting on blocking a unilateral declaration of independence for its southern province after December 10, says the paper."
I know! The NERVE of Serbia actually trying to defend its own territory from unilateral dismemberment by outside powers irrespective of international law or international precedent. These Serbs never learn, do they? The arrogance!!!
"Despite the readiness of the Kosova to become independent, as some say it is not, we will declare independence and at the same time ruling down Ahtisari’s plan, while negotiating with international community (EU and NATO) about their presence in the newly formed country."
Hahahahahaha, are you serious? I mean really, do you honestly believe what you say or are you attempting to make the rest of us laugh? "Predictor" eh? No offense buddy but I'd never use you as my gambling agent.
No, you know what? Go right ahead. Do it. Seriously, do it. Cut off all international aid to what would then be an impoverished landlocked country, effectively making Moldova look like Luxembourg in comparision, with absolutely no Western support or recognition. Who are you going to rely on for help after unilaterally declaring independence AND voting down the Ahtisaari Plan? Albania and Macedonia?
How are you going to "rule down" the Ahtisaari Plan, while "negotiating" with the international community, when you just told the international community to bugger off. How old are you predictor? B92 needs to have an age limit to write here, seriously. It is absolutely amazing what some people think and honestly believe what they think.
I would say that British papers were and are always democratic free press. Please people of Serbia get with Liberal Democratic Party and rush for the last train for integration in EU.
Serbia with existing political parties never ever going to achieve the road towards the EU, therefore is going to become isolated again just like in Milosevic era and his existing successors.
I repeat again the glory for Serbia and its people is Čedomir Jovanović…
Touchy, aren't we? You missed my point, but since you bring this up, the Polish mafia (if there even is one, unless you are talking some theft syndicate) is negligible compared to that of the Albanian one (in fact the mafia that operates in Poland is the Russian one), so to answer your question, I don't feel anything about it, because it's a joke in comparison firstly, secondly a vast majority of Poland's organized crime is controlled by the Russian mob (amphetamine, car theft etc.).
To give you an idea, go onto Interpol and search the amount of wanted criminals there are from Poland and from Albania (even bearing in mind that there are far more Poles than Albanians in the world) to see how nonsensical your comparison was (not to mention that the Polish crimes usually don't go further than theft, and Albanian ones are more along the lines of narcotics and human trafficking and gun smuggling):
Albanians - 241
Poles - 16
To call some Polish crime syndicate a mafia is going a bit far, don't you think?
Lets not forget that the West will not tolerate any regime, any country in the Balkans who will try to provoke any kind of conflict anymore. Serbs are just doing a big favor to Albanians with their Slobodan Milosevic way of thinking and acting. It is surprising though, to see the people of Serbia themselves being unable to understand how their politicians are playing with their very own existence. What are these guys gonna do when the "gosts" and "fantasms" and other "immaginary enemies" of Serbian nation don't exist anymore just like they never even existed, but in the sick minds of a small group of mafia-connected so-called-"nationalists", who care about nothing else but the real number in their secret bank accounts. I do hope that Serbia will continue this kind of ridiculous "defiance" with the West, until all the nationalities and non-Serb groups in Serbia separate each of them taking away a piece of land from the body of this sick Balkanic entity. Only then will the people of Serbia wake up to see everything "changed" without being able to point their fingers or understand what happened.
The Guardian, is undaoutly a very respectable paper.
If the worlds` people read the Guardian, and listen the BBC, and not other papers (right wing papers), there will really be a world that religion describes; peace, harmony, justice.
But guardian pwerful though it is, its not enough, and its message is not getting acroos as much yet.
Guardian simply represent huamn being of all faiths and races, and nations.Groups that are in need.
Guardian truly are agianst inustice, inhumane wars,barbarism etc, etc.
If you dislike the guardian, I can say this is becuse you are seriously doing something wrong. Your belifs are nasty. You need to addjust and look at yourself first, where on the specrtum of good and bad you stand.
Review yourself first before make a comment against the most valuble paper in Europe, and maybe even the whole world (not familiar with us papers).
Peter, your statement is utterly ridicules. In Interpol you can find the people that are hunted by Interpol Tirana due to the facts of 1997- financial pyramidal schemes crunch, so nothing to do with mafia. Secondly, if the syndicate excuse ‘scheme’ may work for polish why not for Albanians?
Kate, you didn’t answer my question. There is a huge gap in your reckoning; you leave without explanation at least 8 years- there was a hard work of western diplomacy persuading Serbia regarding the situation in Kosova and generally in former Yugo since 1991, so nothing was done in hurry. Moreover, the independence of Kosova is/was postponed (after 1999) in hope that finally in Serbia will prevail the democracy and progressive political forces for that will accept the reality and give up of myths- since they are not true the word myth means falsity, untrue.
The right of the independence of Kosova is based on moral standards. If someone of you who have or still are filling their pockets thanks to the tragedy of the kosovar people and still judging them, that’s your problem not the problem of the legitimate right of the kosovars for independence.
Free Kosova, free Tibet, free Chechnya free all repressed, underline repressed nations- that’s my motto what’s wrong with that?
The report by a UK commentator also says, "The European commission's Kosovo chapter makes particularly grim reading, raising serious questions about the province's viability. Corruption, human rights abuses and organised crime are endemic, it says. Institutions are weak, witnesses to war crimes are intimidated, and minority rights are routinely infringed. The overall picture presented is hardly one of a nation state ready for self-rule."
Time is running out for both KiM and the Balkans as a whole. The politicians should think more about the potential for renewed fighting and less about their own petty pride and self agrandisement. But then Balkan politicians have never been slow to promote themselves at the expense of their so-called 'constituents'.
I have stated previously my feeling that KiM will become 'independent' at some stage. I do not think that UDI is the best way to achieve a lasting state. But the 'face' of politics is obviously far more important than the lives or ordinary people.
The Balkan peoples really do deserve better representation.
I'm not sure, but the latest moves from Belgrade could be interpreted as "if you take Kosovo, we will take RS". It is a simplification, but I can't help it, this is the feeling I get when I read about the development lately.
I am very familiar with the Guardian newspaper and occasionally even buy it if a particular story interests me. However during the nineties this newspaper was at the centre of a section of the British liberal/left that completely lost its soul and totally bought into the US/NATO agenda in relation to the Balkans.This has not changed.
Yes how dare those Serbs not give away their ancestral homeland and the cradle of their civilization, Kosovo. How dare they demand self determination for Serbs in Bosnia when we all know that Serbs are not entitled to self determination, but all others in ex-Yugoslavia are.
This is the kind of twisted logic and anti-Serb double standards that the Guardian has been spewing for years.
susana, your comment about serbs having per capita more nazis than any other country is laughable but in keeping with the perverse revisionism practised by so many elements of the western media. Take a look at croatia where pro nazi concerts by the singer thompson attract 60000+ nazi saluting people wherever he plays. You would never see this in serbia. Why? simple because the serbs fought against the nazis in WW2, whereas on the other hand the Bosnian muslims, the croats and the kosovo albanians fought on the same side as the nazis. The serbs , poles , and greeks were the only european nations which formed no units for fighting on the side of the nazis, and suffered for it. WW2 history is clear. serbs, poles and greeks are not nazis. croats, kosovo albanians and bosnian muslims are nazis and its no surprise to this day they still have german backing. leopards dont change their spots.
In countries such as those in the west Balkans, where the situation is still unstable and delicate, a recognition of Kosovo independence could have unpredictable consequences for the whole region, the daily says.
“The international community needs to pay more attention to its own intended moves,“ the Guardian quotes one leading European official as saying, who adds that, “A dose of tension definitely exists. We must not let it lead to a second war in the Balkans.“
The Guardian maybe is partners with some of the "shady" elements that run the red light clubs in Londons SOHO?
The albanians have taken over everything there, prior to 99 there weren't any albanian control over the sex clubs in SOHO, now they controll over 90%
Well done! Is that going to be Kosovos main trade after their "northern cyprus" style independence recognized by none other than some "david Koresh" people in the republic of autonomic Texas? Maybe the Michigan militia will be the strongest supporter of KLA after this?
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