Bosnia unhappy about Tuzla indictment

A few days ago, Victor praised my comments relating to a rational Serb in a sea of Serbian nationalism..my comments were directed at the children suffering in the aftermath of their parents stupidity of going to war.

However, I certainly don't want your praise Victor, nor do I request your acceptance of my opinion. You are nothing more than a hate monger, a Croatian nationalist who hides behind some so called degree. You justifying crimes against Serbs, while at every opportunity dismissing the suffering of our people by the hands of Croatian Ustashi and Islamic Mujahadeen. Here we have 92 soldiers withdrawing from Tuzla in 1992...that's 3 years prior to the suffering of Srebrenica..so you can't use that excuse again. Why not say Serbs took those teachings and countless others by Croats in WW2, Ottoman Turks, Nazi Germans, and applied it to Srebrenica. The student becomes the teacher...and the Serbs dispatched thousands of Mujahadeen in response to their slaughter of innocent Serbs in the surrounding villages prior to 1995. Why not because by your logic, one crime justifies another. Balkan rules of war which you willingly participated. How are things getting along between Croats and Muslimes in Mostar, reintegrating nicely? Perhaps not?

I'm at the point of saying "too bad"...war sucks...and I'm getting real tired of hearing Serbs apologizing for their actions while Croats and Muslims say and do nothing. You are Guilty Victor...say it, admit it, apologize for it...and perhaps we can then move on towards a future of mutual forgiveness and understanding.

Victor your viewpoint is so primative, really.

Your conclusion is that war crimes should go unpunished due to the fact that another another side allegedly comitted war crimes previously.

On the basis of your ridiculous theory I think that all Serb 90's crimes should be pardoned because the context was a previous far, far greater crime (genocide) comitted against Serbs by the Croatian ustase in WW2.

According to your (lack of) principle you should agree with me.

Stop acting like a primative balkanist and start looking at this from the prospective of basic rights. Those soldiers had a right to leave according to the agreement - no pathetic excuses.

“A criminal is a criminal, no matter the nationality and the circumstances.
(Victor, 18. July 2007 17:14”

You changed your mind...again?

Excellent, this indicment should happen long time ago. I must say finally!

Hey Serbian camps and others pro-Serb,

Don't be so hard on Victór. He must be recovering from shock. He is probably so disappointed that there are no Serbs in this indicment. Can you imagine, there are the other people involved in war crimes apart from Serbs. But he tries to justify those non-Sebian war crimes. You made my day Victor

Victor - Why not take a second to feel just a shred of sorrow for 92 mostly young soldiers being killed like this, even if they are Serbian (which to you seems to equate to a lesser importance, more's the pity).

We could go on dragging up examples of horrors from Bosnia for years (and should), but why would you even try here? This is about one case where 92 troops were killed in cold blood.

Nobody can defend that, just as nobody should defend Srebrenica, although numbers and the role of the Dutch peacekeepers can't be overlooked.

The Bosnian Muslims also did this in Sarajevo with a UN brokered agreement for Yugoslav soldiers to leave. However, like Tuzla, they opened fire and massacred the retreating soldiers.

They did this at ever opportunity they could and at the very beginning of the war.

The Muslims did do this throughout the war, but the western media doesn't publish it, as you can see outside of B92 it isn't in the newspapers.

Teni I replied clearly to Victor rejecting his viewpoint. I not only think his viewpoint is wrong but believe it to be indefencible. I dont expect a response as Victor has a habit of avoiding replying to me, as do others, come to think of it.

Did you comment here to express a viewpoint about the issue at hand and what is it?

To reiterate my view is that agreements should be respected, war crimes should not be tolerated or qualified. A universal principle should be applied.

«According to the indictment, the JNA convoy obeyed a decision on peaceful withdrawal of troops from the territory of Bosnia-Herzegovina, and the guarantees given, but it was ambushed and attacked. At least 92 soldiers were killed.»

In 1995, in Srebrenica, the Serbs asked the Bosnians to surrender, adding that they would be well treated... and Mladic ordered the killing 8000. That's a bit more than 92!

During the whole war, all belligerants showed non respect for the laws and customs of war.

In this particular case, the Bosnian Muslim acted just the Serbs did during the whole war, and the Foreign Minister should have a look in the conduct of the Serb militaries before making such conclusion.

Serbian military and paramilitary made no distinction between men women and children. Rape and genocide were weapons of choice for Serbian forces. Ambushing soldiers even retreating soldiers is incomparable to the near genocide that the serbs unleashed on civilian populations.

"Yes it is a Muslim name - a Bosniak Muslim name. "Ilija" is close to "Alija" which is another Muslim name and Jurisic is common among the Bosniaks."

Nonsense ida, you obviously know almost nothing about this subject:

Ilija is a masculine name principally used in Macedonia, Serbia and Bulgaria as a form of the Jewish name Elijah.

Alija is the name Ilija Jurisic would have if he were to have a "Bosniak Muslim" name.

Jurisic is a name principally found in Croatia and Serbia and is a very uncommon name amongst "Bosniak Muslims".

I seriously suggest you study the origins of names, it's a very interesting subject...

"Oh yes, that would be because Ilija Jurišić is certainly not a Muslim name."

Yes it is a Muslim name - a Bosniak Muslim name. "Ilija" is close to "Alija" which is another Muslim name and Jurisic is common among the Bosniaks. You obviously can't tell Bosniak names from Croat and Serb names.

To all of you here: Do you even read other people's comments before commenting on them or do you just assume what for instance Victor is gonna say and reply to that?

the shooting of those retreating men should not have happened, and it is not clear to me whether it was ordered or just 'happened' from raw nerves. here is what i want to know: where were these jna troops heading to? was it, by chance, the surrounding hills, to fire on the civilians of tuzla as they did for some 4 years in sarajevo (oh, by the way, there were serbs killed there as well, those artillery shells aren't quite as "smart" as some might wish!) were these the very same jna troops, miraculously transformed into the bosnian serb army, that lobbed the one shell into downtown tulsa murdering some 70 young people?? the jna was supposewd to be there to protect the people of yugoslavia and instead ended up butchering them. where is the criminal case for that??

It's very odd that the word Muslim was not used in the article itself and yet is used widely throughout these comments. Why would that be? Oh yes, that would be because Ilija Jurišić is certainly not a Muslim name.

I'm sure of course that won't stop more comments about Turks, Mujahadeen and Muslims in relation to the story even if most of the commentators are as usual missing the point...

«According to the indictment, the JNA convoy obeyed a decision on peaceful withdrawal of troops from the territory of Bosnia-Herzegovina, and the guarantees given, but it was ambushed and attacked. At least 92 soldiers were killed.»

In 1995, in Srebrenica, the Serbs asked the Bosnians to surrender, adding that they would be well treated... and Mladic ordered the killing 8000. That's a bit more than 92!

During the whole war, all belligerants showed non respect for the laws and customs of war.

In this particular case, the Bosnian Muslim acted just the Serbs did during the whole war, and the Foreign Minister should have a look in the conduct of the Serb militaries before making such conclusion.

"Oh yes, that would be because Ilija Jurišić is certainly not a Muslim name."

Yes it is a Muslim name - a Bosniak Muslim name. "Ilija" is close to "Alija" which is another Muslim name and Jurisic is common among the Bosniaks. You obviously can't tell Bosniak names from Croat and Serb names.

Serbian military and paramilitary made no distinction between men women and children. Rape and genocide were weapons of choice for Serbian forces. Ambushing soldiers even retreating soldiers is incomparable to the near genocide that the serbs unleashed on civilian populations.

To all of you here: Do you even read other people's comments before commenting on them or do you just assume what for instance Victor is gonna say and reply to that?

the shooting of those retreating men should not have happened, and it is not clear to me whether it was ordered or just 'happened' from raw nerves. here is what i want to know: where were these jna troops heading to? was it, by chance, the surrounding hills, to fire on the civilians of tuzla as they did for some 4 years in sarajevo (oh, by the way, there were serbs killed there as well, those artillery shells aren't quite as "smart" as some might wish!) were these the very same jna troops, miraculously transformed into the bosnian serb army, that lobbed the one shell into downtown tulsa murdering some 70 young people?? the jna was supposewd to be there to protect the people of yugoslavia and instead ended up butchering them. where is the criminal case for that??

A few days ago, Victor praised my comments relating to a rational Serb in a sea of Serbian nationalism..my comments were directed at the children suffering in the aftermath of their parents stupidity of going to war.

However, I certainly don't want your praise Victor, nor do I request your acceptance of my opinion. You are nothing more than a hate monger, a Croatian nationalist who hides behind some so called degree. You justifying crimes against Serbs, while at every opportunity dismissing the suffering of our people by the hands of Croatian Ustashi and Islamic Mujahadeen. Here we have 92 soldiers withdrawing from Tuzla in 1992...that's 3 years prior to the suffering of Srebrenica..so you can't use that excuse again. Why not say Serbs took those teachings and countless others by Croats in WW2, Ottoman Turks, Nazi Germans, and applied it to Srebrenica. The student becomes the teacher...and the Serbs dispatched thousands of Mujahadeen in response to their slaughter of innocent Serbs in the surrounding villages prior to 1995. Why not because by your logic, one crime justifies another. Balkan rules of war which you willingly participated. How are things getting along between Croats and Muslimes in Mostar, reintegrating nicely? Perhaps not?

I'm at the point of saying "too bad"...war sucks...and I'm getting real tired of hearing Serbs apologizing for their actions while Croats and Muslims say and do nothing. You are Guilty Victor...say it, admit it, apologize for it...and perhaps we can then move on towards a future of mutual forgiveness and understanding.

Victor - Why not take a second to feel just a shred of sorrow for 92 mostly young soldiers being killed like this, even if they are Serbian (which to you seems to equate to a lesser importance, more's the pity).

We could go on dragging up examples of horrors from Bosnia for years (and should), but why would you even try here? This is about one case where 92 troops were killed in cold blood.

Nobody can defend that, just as nobody should defend Srebrenica, although numbers and the role of the Dutch peacekeepers can't be overlooked.

It's very odd that the word Muslim was not used in the article itself and yet is used widely throughout these comments. Why would that be? Oh yes, that would be because Ilija Jurišić is certainly not a Muslim name.

I'm sure of course that won't stop more comments about Turks, Mujahadeen and Muslims in relation to the story even if most of the commentators are as usual missing the point...

Victor your viewpoint is so primative, really.

Your conclusion is that war crimes should go unpunished due to the fact that another another side allegedly comitted war crimes previously.

On the basis of your ridiculous theory I think that all Serb 90's crimes should be pardoned because the context was a previous far, far greater crime (genocide) comitted against Serbs by the Croatian ustase in WW2.

According to your (lack of) principle you should agree with me.

Stop acting like a primative balkanist and start looking at this from the prospective of basic rights. Those soldiers had a right to leave according to the agreement - no pathetic excuses.

“A criminal is a criminal, no matter the nationality and the circumstances.
(Victor, 18. July 2007 17:14”

You changed your mind...again?

Teni I replied clearly to Victor rejecting his viewpoint. I not only think his viewpoint is wrong but believe it to be indefencible. I dont expect a response as Victor has a habit of avoiding replying to me, as do others, come to think of it.

Did you comment here to express a viewpoint about the issue at hand and what is it?

To reiterate my view is that agreements should be respected, war crimes should not be tolerated or qualified. A universal principle should be applied.

The Bosnian Muslims also did this in Sarajevo with a UN brokered agreement for Yugoslav soldiers to leave. However, like Tuzla, they opened fire and massacred the retreating soldiers.

They did this at ever opportunity they could and at the very beginning of the war.

The Muslims did do this throughout the war, but the western media doesn't publish it, as you can see outside of B92 it isn't in the newspapers.

Excellent, this indicment should happen long time ago. I must say finally!

Hey Serbian camps and others pro-Serb,

Don't be so hard on Victór. He must be recovering from shock. He is probably so disappointed that there are no Serbs in this indicment. Can you imagine, there are the other people involved in war crimes apart from Serbs. But he tries to justify those non-Sebian war crimes. You made my day Victor

"Yes it is a Muslim name - a Bosniak Muslim name. "Ilija" is close to "Alija" which is another Muslim name and Jurisic is common among the Bosniaks."

Nonsense ida, you obviously know almost nothing about this subject:

Ilija is a masculine name principally used in Macedonia, Serbia and Bulgaria as a form of the Jewish name Elijah.

Alija is the name Ilija Jurisic would have if he were to have a "Bosniak Muslim" name.

Jurisic is a name principally found in Croatia and Serbia and is a very uncommon name amongst "Bosniak Muslims".

I seriously suggest you study the origins of names, it's a very interesting subject...