You seem to see an Albanian in every non-Serb. You have an obsession with Albanians.
I am not Albanian but you have a very narrow vision and apparently you are unable to get it.
Knowing your ideology through your usual comments I am not surprised that you are one of the rare Serbs who half-way would tend to deny those attrocities. Just because I had furtunately no relatives in Vojvodina and as a result no relative lost does not mean that that killing did not take place.
And about those Hungarian refugies in 1956: there was a total of 18,000 reparted on all Yougoslavia, not uniquely in Serbia. Those among them, the less than 18 year olds were extradiated back to Hungary. The rest NEVER wanted to settle in poor communist Yougoslavia. The wanted to move on to Western countries. Yougoslavia however received money from the International Red Cross and the US to give them room and board. Very soon your country discovered that it is good business to keep them as long as possible. As a result thousand of them had to wait for years to be able to leave your country. In Austria there were a total of 180,000 Hungarian refugies. Most of them were able to move to Western countries within days or weeks. Do you see the difference? Ida it is not to your advantage to bring up cases like this.
Joe, the Hungarians joined with the Germans and killed the Jews and the Serbs. They drowned them in the icy rivers by forcing them out onto the ice and then breaking it. They carried out other slaughters.
I think your numbers are way, way inflated Hungarian propaganda. You can't even name these alleged victims. No women, no children. Not members of your family or people you know.
Besides you are forgetting that Serbia allowed Hungarians fleeing the 1956 Hungarian revolution to settle in Serbia.
first of all, I find it very amusing to read your lines where you are telling others that their arguments are weak...
well, what are yours then? :)
for your info: some Hungarians sided with the AGRESSORS and fought against the people they were living with for many years...
so, IF somebody lost the right for sympathy...it was those, who sided with the Agressor.
but that is more of an albanian view of things...
fact is: Serbs fought for values like liberty, freedom and peace among the nations...while the Albanians, interestingly, also sided with the Agressors...
interesting coincidence, isn´t it?
but, of course we all live in the 21st century and we do not mention past things, like the albanian colaboration with foreign agressors in two world wars..., because that is the ugly past, and we are all turning our heads towards a european future...right? Joe?
ps: better don´t bring up history and moral questions if you have nothing to brag about!
I got the impression that you are a honest man but not sufficiently informed. Until now I was very reluctant to reveal my source www.vajdasagma.info, the Hungarian web site in Vojvodina. I was affraid that the authorities would close it like they would in Putin's Russia.
Again the numbers - 15,000 - 20,000 as low range, 35-40,000 as high range are just estimates by adding up local figures according to this site. Earlier for years I always heard about 80,000. I am glad that that number seemed to be inflated.
About the cemeteries: it would be a decent, respectful place to find them. Alas they are buried in mass graves outside cemeteries in indignified places. I even saw a picture of one of them with mourners around at the 63rd anniversary. It is marked by an old acacia tree planted overnight by a young Hungarian at the risk of his life 63 years ago. This is just one of the mass graves. There are at least 5-6 books written by locals of different places describing the massacres in some of those communities. There is an effort now to combine these books to come up with an overall picture for the whole Vojvodina.
And an other important thing: this happened before 1945, before communism. The perpetrators were Serbian partizans once the German troups moved out.
Yesterday Mike asked me why I do not show more sympathy to the K-Serbs. Now I can answer by paraphrasing your words "when some people commit some evil they loose the right to sympathy". But your comment is ridiculously week. I was talking about the genocide of innocent Hungarians. You try to defend and justify the undefendable by hiding behind the case of the German Wehrmacht. I was not talking about Germans of Vojvodina, who lived there for centuries and greatly contributed to the living standard of the region. Most of them were cowardly expelled, many killed. There properties confiscated, in plain English stollen. I knew here in the US such Germans from the Bacska, who went through that ordeal as young kids.
joe, i am aware that hungarian and german civilians suffered after ww2 in vojvodina. i hope their descedents will be given their property back and have thier families rehabilitated if their only crime was to be on the defeated side. this is no lip service, i mourn every innocent victim, on this day of all when my family on both sides remembers our dead from ww1. but why do you feel you need to back up a solid argumet with misleading nonsense and half truths. where do you get the 20, then 40000 number, of those killed? hopefully you dont think those reading your comments are halfwits of some sort that will just accept that. what do you mean, because they were not serbs? communists took over our country in 1945, not serbs. what do you for godsakes mean, they are not allowed to go visit cemeteries? joe, i live here in this country. there is not a single cemetery that is off bounds to anyone in this country except in kosovo, for kosovo serbs. if this were true it would be a scandal and a 40 ft screaming headline in all papers here in a day. imagine that, hungarians not allowed to visit graves of their loved ones! the end of the world and civilization that would be.
and hungrians and germans, volksdeutschers were targeted and expelled after the atrocities of the nazi occupation, theirs was the losing side in a bloody war.
do i condone that? i think i would rather burn in hell. because then i would have to also condone the exile of 187,000 serbs from kosovo, because albanians say they were entitled to that atrocity because of atrocities committed in war.
they're wrong, joe. they cant ever hope to grow and prosper as a society and nation until they realize how wrong they are.
but do you condone it? do you condone expulsion of serbs from kosovo and at the same time lament that of hungarians from vojvodina in 1945?
my family too suffered from communists even if they were serbs. they were robbed of land and property and were second class citizens in serbia, although as serb as can be, in fact, precisely because of that. do not mislead people here. communists are a nation and a religion unto themselves. they put red stars on their tombstones. i truly believe that communism is a pseudo religion that obliterated any other identity for those who accepted it.
and lastly, horthy, hitlers poodle, to use an expression popular with leftwingers or shall we say the loony left today, before the war spread lies about alleged suffering of hungarians in vojvodina as justification for occupation and horrors in 1941 and later.
where is all this today coming from i wonder.
where do you come from.
Joe, but its like asking for the poor German souls who died in WW2. I am sorry but unfortunately when a country does complete evil they lose some right to sympathy. Its the sad that this is how it is bc every innocent civilian should be protected.
You ask for some respect for the Serbs. Reading your words I had to think about special sadness at all those innocent Hungarian civilians, peaceful peasants of Vojvodina, who were brutally massacred by Serbian partisans at the shadow of the Soviet Red Army in fall of 1944. There were commemorations by Hungarians at many of those mass graves a week ago. In many localities those commemorations are still not allowed. The crosses on those mass graves are removed, broken or burned by Serbs and new ones installed by Hungarians overnight. By low estimates there were 20,000 Hungarians massacred, by some others 40,000. For some 50 years it was completely prohibited to talk about this genocide. It was also completely denied. What is still not allowed is to look into the archives. Some Hungarians hope that one that this will be allowed and finally the mass graves will be opened. So Mito when you want to call for a military parade just try to think a second also about these poor souls, about these simple village-people, whose only crime was not being Serbs.
During WWI, Serbs with Austro-Hungarian passports living in Canada were sent to internment camps by the Canadian government. They were later released after the Srpska Narodna Odbrana (SNO) explained to the Canadian government that they are Serbs.
Has the SNO lived up to its past defending Serbs, or are they just hopeful newspaper publishers today?
i call a camp where nearly 6000 prisoners of war died, and according to risto kovijanic who was a prisoner there and later a professor at the bratislava uni, members of their families taken with them, a death camp. what do you call it, i wonder.
and, lets not play the numbers game please. if 8000 srebrenica victims is enough for genocide then surely 6000 prisoners of war is enough for a death camp.
btw I'm not out to hurt any country's image or anything else, austria-hungary is dead you know:) gone with the wind.
interestingly i found out that by 2001 this cemetery was almost completely desecrated. as it happens hungarian minority had control over local government in this town and they leased most of the grounds where the cemetery is to a canine society to exercise dogs among other things. crosses were broken, the chapel ruined and so on. shame also on the serbian state for not reacting sooner. then serbian, in fact at that time fed. yugoslav ambassador in bratislava complained to the Slovak government and they restored it. miroslav kopecni, btw, our ambassador. because we have a peaceful and well integrated slovak minority in this country.
also, a similar ceremony in france today. there is a serb military cemetery in paris as well. and some may wonder why the street leading from the port in Cannes is called, rue des serbes. find out.
this is what we gave to freedom and europe, our flesh and blood and bones.
i don’t deny that we since strayed terribly first and worst with communism and then everything followed from there, but those who have given the world nothing or robbed the world of millions of lives should show some respect or at least restraint when talking about serbs.
R.I.P to our fallen hero's. All they ask of us is to remember their sacrifice for the Serbian people. There should be mass ceremonies all over Serbia to remember them. The monuments renovated and cemeteries given face and filled with flowers and wreaths. A military parade should also be called, giving our new generation of soldiers a chance to remember who they are taking after and what they must live up too, hopefully never of course have to die which was the ultimate goal of our past heros...
Never again for a Serb to die at the hands of an enemy!
Strange, in past few days forigners pay tribute to Serbian soldiers in WWII and WWI. I don't remember this tributes previous years. Climate is changing
Lazar we did not but they were basically pows sent there and died there in austria-hungarian death camps.
may our heroes rest in peace and let's also remember not only those who died but those who survived terrible ordeals of occupation, disease and poverty at home during the first world war.
i call a camp where nearly 6000 prisoners of war died, and according to risto kovijanic who was a prisoner there and later a professor at the bratislava uni, members of their families taken with them, a death camp. what do you call it, i wonder.
and, lets not play the numbers game please. if 8000 srebrenica victims is enough for genocide then surely 6000 prisoners of war is enough for a death camp.
btw I'm not out to hurt any country's image or anything else, austria-hungary is dead you know:) gone with the wind.
interestingly i found out that by 2001 this cemetery was almost completely desecrated. as it happens hungarian minority had control over local government in this town and they leased most of the grounds where the cemetery is to a canine society to exercise dogs among other things. crosses were broken, the chapel ruined and so on. shame also on the serbian state for not reacting sooner. then serbian, in fact at that time fed. yugoslav ambassador in bratislava complained to the Slovak government and they restored it. miroslav kopecni, btw, our ambassador. because we have a peaceful and well integrated slovak minority in this country.
also, a similar ceremony in france today. there is a serb military cemetery in paris as well. and some may wonder why the street leading from the port in Cannes is called, rue des serbes. find out.
this is what we gave to freedom and europe, our flesh and blood and bones.
i don’t deny that we since strayed terribly first and worst with communism and then everything followed from there, but those who have given the world nothing or robbed the world of millions of lives should show some respect or at least restraint when talking about serbs.
Lazar we did not but they were basically pows sent there and died there in austria-hungarian death camps.
may our heroes rest in peace and let's also remember not only those who died but those who survived terrible ordeals of occupation, disease and poverty at home during the first world war.
R.I.P to our fallen hero's. All they ask of us is to remember their sacrifice for the Serbian people. There should be mass ceremonies all over Serbia to remember them. The monuments renovated and cemeteries given face and filled with flowers and wreaths. A military parade should also be called, giving our new generation of soldiers a chance to remember who they are taking after and what they must live up too, hopefully never of course have to die which was the ultimate goal of our past heros...
Never again for a Serb to die at the hands of an enemy!
joe, i am aware that hungarian and german civilians suffered after ww2 in vojvodina. i hope their descedents will be given their property back and have thier families rehabilitated if their only crime was to be on the defeated side. this is no lip service, i mourn every innocent victim, on this day of all when my family on both sides remembers our dead from ww1. but why do you feel you need to back up a solid argumet with misleading nonsense and half truths. where do you get the 20, then 40000 number, of those killed? hopefully you dont think those reading your comments are halfwits of some sort that will just accept that. what do you mean, because they were not serbs? communists took over our country in 1945, not serbs. what do you for godsakes mean, they are not allowed to go visit cemeteries? joe, i live here in this country. there is not a single cemetery that is off bounds to anyone in this country except in kosovo, for kosovo serbs. if this were true it would be a scandal and a 40 ft screaming headline in all papers here in a day. imagine that, hungarians not allowed to visit graves of their loved ones! the end of the world and civilization that would be.
and hungrians and germans, volksdeutschers were targeted and expelled after the atrocities of the nazi occupation, theirs was the losing side in a bloody war.
do i condone that? i think i would rather burn in hell. because then i would have to also condone the exile of 187,000 serbs from kosovo, because albanians say they were entitled to that atrocity because of atrocities committed in war.
they're wrong, joe. they cant ever hope to grow and prosper as a society and nation until they realize how wrong they are.
but do you condone it? do you condone expulsion of serbs from kosovo and at the same time lament that of hungarians from vojvodina in 1945?
my family too suffered from communists even if they were serbs. they were robbed of land and property and were second class citizens in serbia, although as serb as can be, in fact, precisely because of that. do not mislead people here. communists are a nation and a religion unto themselves. they put red stars on their tombstones. i truly believe that communism is a pseudo religion that obliterated any other identity for those who accepted it.
and lastly, horthy, hitlers poodle, to use an expression popular with leftwingers or shall we say the loony left today, before the war spread lies about alleged suffering of hungarians in vojvodina as justification for occupation and horrors in 1941 and later.
where is all this today coming from i wonder.
where do you come from.
Strange, in past few days forigners pay tribute to Serbian soldiers in WWII and WWI. I don't remember this tributes previous years. Climate is changing
first of all, I find it very amusing to read your lines where you are telling others that their arguments are weak...
well, what are yours then? :)
for your info: some Hungarians sided with the AGRESSORS and fought against the people they were living with for many years...
so, IF somebody lost the right for sympathy...it was those, who sided with the Agressor.
but that is more of an albanian view of things...
fact is: Serbs fought for values like liberty, freedom and peace among the nations...while the Albanians, interestingly, also sided with the Agressors...
interesting coincidence, isn´t it?
but, of course we all live in the 21st century and we do not mention past things, like the albanian colaboration with foreign agressors in two world wars..., because that is the ugly past, and we are all turning our heads towards a european future...right? Joe?
ps: better don´t bring up history and moral questions if you have nothing to brag about!
Joe, the Hungarians joined with the Germans and killed the Jews and the Serbs. They drowned them in the icy rivers by forcing them out onto the ice and then breaking it. They carried out other slaughters.
I think your numbers are way, way inflated Hungarian propaganda. You can't even name these alleged victims. No women, no children. Not members of your family or people you know.
Besides you are forgetting that Serbia allowed Hungarians fleeing the 1956 Hungarian revolution to settle in Serbia.
During WWI, Serbs with Austro-Hungarian passports living in Canada were sent to internment camps by the Canadian government. They were later released after the Srpska Narodna Odbrana (SNO) explained to the Canadian government that they are Serbs.
Has the SNO lived up to its past defending Serbs, or are they just hopeful newspaper publishers today?
Joe, but its like asking for the poor German souls who died in WW2. I am sorry but unfortunately when a country does complete evil they lose some right to sympathy. Its the sad that this is how it is bc every innocent civilian should be protected.
You ask for some respect for the Serbs. Reading your words I had to think about special sadness at all those innocent Hungarian civilians, peaceful peasants of Vojvodina, who were brutally massacred by Serbian partisans at the shadow of the Soviet Red Army in fall of 1944. There were commemorations by Hungarians at many of those mass graves a week ago. In many localities those commemorations are still not allowed. The crosses on those mass graves are removed, broken or burned by Serbs and new ones installed by Hungarians overnight. By low estimates there were 20,000 Hungarians massacred, by some others 40,000. For some 50 years it was completely prohibited to talk about this genocide. It was also completely denied. What is still not allowed is to look into the archives. Some Hungarians hope that one that this will be allowed and finally the mass graves will be opened. So Mito when you want to call for a military parade just try to think a second also about these poor souls, about these simple village-people, whose only crime was not being Serbs.
Yesterday Mike asked me why I do not show more sympathy to the K-Serbs. Now I can answer by paraphrasing your words "when some people commit some evil they loose the right to sympathy". But your comment is ridiculously week. I was talking about the genocide of innocent Hungarians. You try to defend and justify the undefendable by hiding behind the case of the German Wehrmacht. I was not talking about Germans of Vojvodina, who lived there for centuries and greatly contributed to the living standard of the region. Most of them were cowardly expelled, many killed. There properties confiscated, in plain English stollen. I knew here in the US such Germans from the Bacska, who went through that ordeal as young kids.
I got the impression that you are a honest man but not sufficiently informed. Until now I was very reluctant to reveal my source www.vajdasagma.info, the Hungarian web site in Vojvodina. I was affraid that the authorities would close it like they would in Putin's Russia.
Again the numbers - 15,000 - 20,000 as low range, 35-40,000 as high range are just estimates by adding up local figures according to this site. Earlier for years I always heard about 80,000. I am glad that that number seemed to be inflated.
About the cemeteries: it would be a decent, respectful place to find them. Alas they are buried in mass graves outside cemeteries in indignified places. I even saw a picture of one of them with mourners around at the 63rd anniversary. It is marked by an old acacia tree planted overnight by a young Hungarian at the risk of his life 63 years ago. This is just one of the mass graves. There are at least 5-6 books written by locals of different places describing the massacres in some of those communities. There is an effort now to combine these books to come up with an overall picture for the whole Vojvodina.
And an other important thing: this happened before 1945, before communism. The perpetrators were Serbian partizans once the German troups moved out.
Knowing your ideology through your usual comments I am not surprised that you are one of the rare Serbs who half-way would tend to deny those attrocities. Just because I had furtunately no relatives in Vojvodina and as a result no relative lost does not mean that that killing did not take place.
And about those Hungarian refugies in 1956: there was a total of 18,000 reparted on all Yougoslavia, not uniquely in Serbia. Those among them, the less than 18 year olds were extradiated back to Hungary. The rest NEVER wanted to settle in poor communist Yougoslavia. The wanted to move on to Western countries. Yougoslavia however received money from the International Red Cross and the US to give them room and board. Very soon your country discovered that it is good business to keep them as long as possible. As a result thousand of them had to wait for years to be able to leave your country. In Austria there were a total of 180,000 Hungarian refugies. Most of them were able to move to Western countries within days or weeks. Do you see the difference? Ida it is not to your advantage to bring up cases like this.
You seem to see an Albanian in every non-Serb. You have an obsession with Albanians.
I am not Albanian but you have a very narrow vision and apparently you are unable to get it.
You ask for some respect for the Serbs. Reading your words I had to think about special sadness at all those innocent Hungarian civilians, peaceful peasants of Vojvodina, who were brutally massacred by Serbian partisans at the shadow of the Soviet Red Army in fall of 1944. There were commemorations by Hungarians at many of those mass graves a week ago. In many localities those commemorations are still not allowed. The crosses on those mass graves are removed, broken or burned by Serbs and new ones installed by Hungarians overnight. By low estimates there were 20,000 Hungarians massacred, by some others 40,000. For some 50 years it was completely prohibited to talk about this genocide. It was also completely denied. What is still not allowed is to look into the archives. Some Hungarians hope that one that this will be allowed and finally the mass graves will be opened. So Mito when you want to call for a military parade just try to think a second also about these poor souls, about these simple village-people, whose only crime was not being Serbs.
Yesterday Mike asked me why I do not show more sympathy to the K-Serbs. Now I can answer by paraphrasing your words "when some people commit some evil they loose the right to sympathy". But your comment is ridiculously week. I was talking about the genocide of innocent Hungarians. You try to defend and justify the undefendable by hiding behind the case of the German Wehrmacht. I was not talking about Germans of Vojvodina, who lived there for centuries and greatly contributed to the living standard of the region. Most of them were cowardly expelled, many killed. There properties confiscated, in plain English stollen. I knew here in the US such Germans from the Bacska, who went through that ordeal as young kids.
I got the impression that you are a honest man but not sufficiently informed. Until now I was very reluctant to reveal my source www.vajdasagma.info, the Hungarian web site in Vojvodina. I was affraid that the authorities would close it like they would in Putin's Russia.
Again the numbers - 15,000 - 20,000 as low range, 35-40,000 as high range are just estimates by adding up local figures according to this site. Earlier for years I always heard about 80,000. I am glad that that number seemed to be inflated.
About the cemeteries: it would be a decent, respectful place to find them. Alas they are buried in mass graves outside cemeteries in indignified places. I even saw a picture of one of them with mourners around at the 63rd anniversary. It is marked by an old acacia tree planted overnight by a young Hungarian at the risk of his life 63 years ago. This is just one of the mass graves. There are at least 5-6 books written by locals of different places describing the massacres in some of those communities. There is an effort now to combine these books to come up with an overall picture for the whole Vojvodina.
And an other important thing: this happened before 1945, before communism. The perpetrators were Serbian partizans once the German troups moved out.
Knowing your ideology through your usual comments I am not surprised that you are one of the rare Serbs who half-way would tend to deny those attrocities. Just because I had furtunately no relatives in Vojvodina and as a result no relative lost does not mean that that killing did not take place.
And about those Hungarian refugies in 1956: there was a total of 18,000 reparted on all Yougoslavia, not uniquely in Serbia. Those among them, the less than 18 year olds were extradiated back to Hungary. The rest NEVER wanted to settle in poor communist Yougoslavia. The wanted to move on to Western countries. Yougoslavia however received money from the International Red Cross and the US to give them room and board. Very soon your country discovered that it is good business to keep them as long as possible. As a result thousand of them had to wait for years to be able to leave your country. In Austria there were a total of 180,000 Hungarian refugies. Most of them were able to move to Western countries within days or weeks. Do you see the difference? Ida it is not to your advantage to bring up cases like this.
You seem to see an Albanian in every non-Serb. You have an obsession with Albanians.
I am not Albanian but you have a very narrow vision and apparently you are unable to get it.
Strange, in past few days forigners pay tribute to Serbian soldiers in WWII and WWI. I don't remember this tributes previous years. Climate is changing
Lazar we did not but they were basically pows sent there and died there in austria-hungarian death camps.
may our heroes rest in peace and let's also remember not only those who died but those who survived terrible ordeals of occupation, disease and poverty at home during the first world war.
R.I.P to our fallen hero's. All they ask of us is to remember their sacrifice for the Serbian people. There should be mass ceremonies all over Serbia to remember them. The monuments renovated and cemeteries given face and filled with flowers and wreaths. A military parade should also be called, giving our new generation of soldiers a chance to remember who they are taking after and what they must live up too, hopefully never of course have to die which was the ultimate goal of our past heros...
Never again for a Serb to die at the hands of an enemy!
During WWI, Serbs with Austro-Hungarian passports living in Canada were sent to internment camps by the Canadian government. They were later released after the Srpska Narodna Odbrana (SNO) explained to the Canadian government that they are Serbs.
Has the SNO lived up to its past defending Serbs, or are they just hopeful newspaper publishers today?
i call a camp where nearly 6000 prisoners of war died, and according to risto kovijanic who was a prisoner there and later a professor at the bratislava uni, members of their families taken with them, a death camp. what do you call it, i wonder.
and, lets not play the numbers game please. if 8000 srebrenica victims is enough for genocide then surely 6000 prisoners of war is enough for a death camp.
btw I'm not out to hurt any country's image or anything else, austria-hungary is dead you know:) gone with the wind.
interestingly i found out that by 2001 this cemetery was almost completely desecrated. as it happens hungarian minority had control over local government in this town and they leased most of the grounds where the cemetery is to a canine society to exercise dogs among other things. crosses were broken, the chapel ruined and so on. shame also on the serbian state for not reacting sooner. then serbian, in fact at that time fed. yugoslav ambassador in bratislava complained to the Slovak government and they restored it. miroslav kopecni, btw, our ambassador. because we have a peaceful and well integrated slovak minority in this country.
also, a similar ceremony in france today. there is a serb military cemetery in paris as well. and some may wonder why the street leading from the port in Cannes is called, rue des serbes. find out.
this is what we gave to freedom and europe, our flesh and blood and bones.
i don’t deny that we since strayed terribly first and worst with communism and then everything followed from there, but those who have given the world nothing or robbed the world of millions of lives should show some respect or at least restraint when talking about serbs.
Joe, but its like asking for the poor German souls who died in WW2. I am sorry but unfortunately when a country does complete evil they lose some right to sympathy. Its the sad that this is how it is bc every innocent civilian should be protected.
joe, i am aware that hungarian and german civilians suffered after ww2 in vojvodina. i hope their descedents will be given their property back and have thier families rehabilitated if their only crime was to be on the defeated side. this is no lip service, i mourn every innocent victim, on this day of all when my family on both sides remembers our dead from ww1. but why do you feel you need to back up a solid argumet with misleading nonsense and half truths. where do you get the 20, then 40000 number, of those killed? hopefully you dont think those reading your comments are halfwits of some sort that will just accept that. what do you mean, because they were not serbs? communists took over our country in 1945, not serbs. what do you for godsakes mean, they are not allowed to go visit cemeteries? joe, i live here in this country. there is not a single cemetery that is off bounds to anyone in this country except in kosovo, for kosovo serbs. if this were true it would be a scandal and a 40 ft screaming headline in all papers here in a day. imagine that, hungarians not allowed to visit graves of their loved ones! the end of the world and civilization that would be.
and hungrians and germans, volksdeutschers were targeted and expelled after the atrocities of the nazi occupation, theirs was the losing side in a bloody war.
do i condone that? i think i would rather burn in hell. because then i would have to also condone the exile of 187,000 serbs from kosovo, because albanians say they were entitled to that atrocity because of atrocities committed in war.
they're wrong, joe. they cant ever hope to grow and prosper as a society and nation until they realize how wrong they are.
but do you condone it? do you condone expulsion of serbs from kosovo and at the same time lament that of hungarians from vojvodina in 1945?
my family too suffered from communists even if they were serbs. they were robbed of land and property and were second class citizens in serbia, although as serb as can be, in fact, precisely because of that. do not mislead people here. communists are a nation and a religion unto themselves. they put red stars on their tombstones. i truly believe that communism is a pseudo religion that obliterated any other identity for those who accepted it.
and lastly, horthy, hitlers poodle, to use an expression popular with leftwingers or shall we say the loony left today, before the war spread lies about alleged suffering of hungarians in vojvodina as justification for occupation and horrors in 1941 and later.
where is all this today coming from i wonder.
where do you come from.
first of all, I find it very amusing to read your lines where you are telling others that their arguments are weak...
well, what are yours then? :)
for your info: some Hungarians sided with the AGRESSORS and fought against the people they were living with for many years...
so, IF somebody lost the right for sympathy...it was those, who sided with the Agressor.
but that is more of an albanian view of things...
fact is: Serbs fought for values like liberty, freedom and peace among the nations...while the Albanians, interestingly, also sided with the Agressors...
interesting coincidence, isn´t it?
but, of course we all live in the 21st century and we do not mention past things, like the albanian colaboration with foreign agressors in two world wars..., because that is the ugly past, and we are all turning our heads towards a european future...right? Joe?
ps: better don´t bring up history and moral questions if you have nothing to brag about!
Joe, the Hungarians joined with the Germans and killed the Jews and the Serbs. They drowned them in the icy rivers by forcing them out onto the ice and then breaking it. They carried out other slaughters.
I think your numbers are way, way inflated Hungarian propaganda. You can't even name these alleged victims. No women, no children. Not members of your family or people you know.
Besides you are forgetting that Serbia allowed Hungarians fleeing the 1956 Hungarian revolution to settle in Serbia.
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