“Germany will recognize Kosovo”

An unnamed German government official said that Germany would recognize Kosovo independence if proclaimed, Koha ditore writes.

If Koha ditore said it it must be true. Lets see how the German officials will react to this news in reply. We all know they are full of it and will not sacrifice their relations with Russia over 2 milion albanians. And with that risk a VERY cold winter. CCCC

koha ditore....it's gotta be the worst news source in the world.

No wonder the alban camp writes constant provocative comments; because this is their most trusted news source.

Why does this not surprise me. Although I admit Yugoslavia after Tito was not viable because of each Republics ambitions to go on their way. But Germanys irresponsible recognition of Slovenia, and Croatia which led to bloodshed I would say was one of the biggest blunnders of the last century. And now they are doing it again.Germany continues to meddle in the Balkans in a non productive way, but to encourage violence.I hope that Russia realizes, and she probably does that Germany will always be an enemy to Russia and to all Slavs in general.The West is the West and the East is the East..a territory to be conqured one day slowly but surely bit, by bit, by bit.

The last BIG player has made his mind! I think the game is over.

I'm not getting excited over "unnamed sources" cited only in Koha Ditore.

Give me an official statement by Merkl in BBC and then we'll talk.

By this rationale, I could cite unnamed American sources saying the Moon is made of cheese.

Germany lost a 1/3 of its land at the end of WW2. It has been penetrated by Islamic communities and should be very careful in giving away another countries land just in case at some time in the future...

Bosko

caligula made his horse senator, the horse never started in office.

germany recognized bosnia, and then again (the 50% that left).

opposite to the "bosnians", there is no nato to fight for "pristinars". they are all on tour in afghanistan and irak.

the germans are much to smart to - once again - show that their recognition doesn´t mean anything.

but don´t get me wrong: go ahead, if there is someone for a very fast solution of the southserbian problem, then it´s me!

Of course, they will.
Germans were the first ones to recognize Croatia, Slovenia and Bosnia.
Its really exciting to witness the formation of the long awaited freedom from the Serbian rule.
Most European countries have their staffs ready to move to Prishtina in their respected EMBASSIES.

Independence is not the solution, it is the problem that will start new wars.

Illegal independence will not lead anyone or anything forward but backwards to new ethnic conflicts in Kosovo, Macedonia and Bosnia.

Why shall Serbs enjoy less "self determination" than Albanians, Muslims and Croats??? If you can tear Serbia apart, you can tear Bosnia apart. You can tear a lot of countries apart if you start giving in to separatist elements.

In my opinion, the sooner the better. Serbia should ignore it and let the other countries to recognize Kosovo. The north of Kosovo will be de facto and de jure independent since Albanians have no control over the North (unless they induce the violence against Serbs again). Serbia should concentrate after that on preservation of Serbian cultural heritage and its people still living in there, sothern part. I am sure without good protection the cultural heritage will be exposed to total destruction as it almost happened in March 2004. It is also possible to move the haritage physiacly away which costs a lot but EU could pay this or Serbia itslef. Honestly speaking, why in the Earth we Serbs would want Albanians. There are 2 millions of them and it is in our best interest is to let them go. Why would we want to deal with the huge rate of uneployment since we have the same problem as well. Kosovo will only cost us a huge amount of money and Sebian tax payesr wont be ready to take it. We already pay ech day a lot of money for Kosovo debts which I expect should be returned back and poured in Serbia soon after the status. The least we want is to see them one day in Serbian govrenment deciding over the future of Serbia. We don't need any more troubles with them as we had it in past. We are very well aware of the methods they used to reach their goals and what makes them stop in the future to bahave same way. Only thing we learned from them is violence and violence as the most wanted and guaranted measure to reach the goals. They have been doing the same over the century by now and nothing has been changed in their attitudes. Serbia should take also Albanian reproduction into consideration.

The another thing is that, with no offence, Albanians make a huge number of immigrants all over the Europe with Serbian passports which represent wrong picture about real migration. It is enough to see next news what is Swiss doing on imigrants and Kosovo is among those countries. Do Serbs need this? Do we need to be in the same category in order to preserve Kosovo. Do we want to identify ourselves with them? I don't think so. I am sure that all of us here know why EU want Kosovo independence. I am almost certain but cannot claim. Albanians should be aware that it is not becuse of the EU's affection towards them.

Given the trouble caused by Germany in the 20th century, would it be too much to ask them to keep their noses out of international affairs for the duration of the 21st.

# "We all know they are full of it and will not sacrifice their relations with Russia over 2 milion albanians. And with that risk a VERY cold winter. CCCC (Cvele, 5. November 2007 15:00)

- Do you really think Russia is going to stop selling Germany oil at $100 a barrel becasue they recognize Kosovo?

You really believe they wont? Anyway... China is buying and paying top dollar for it. So ur argument is as dead as the idea of Kosovo independence. They wont starve. U will without a seat in the UN.

That's what they did with Croatia in December 1991.

Did Germany benefit? What domino effect occurred?

But do you know that, it was Serbian paramilitary, which caused all that bloodshed in Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, and Kosova, not the German army.
I remember, ICTY is searching for Serbian warlords not German warlords…
I think you need to support your arguments better if you want to gain the trust of the audience…

I hope this scenario ends as soon as possible and I hope that the Kosova and Serbian institutions start working on the European Union integration as true partners.

Avni Gjoni
Ferizaj

Not a suprise...

and i find it so funny that our president really wants a serbian kosovo and at the same time wants to get closer to the likes of germany

pathetic

our friends are those who respect our integrety.

It's just a rumor at the moment but there have been several rumors of this nature coming from Germany lately. If confirmed it would be great and given the German record it is not unlikely.
And to all those who say that Germany's recognition of Croatia sparked a chain reaction: Do you seriously believe that Croatia would not have fought Milosevic and the Serbs had Germany not recognized it? It is crazy to portray the whole thing as if Germany started it and that without that recognition the Croats would have resigned to being a Serb colony. Germany merely reacted to the reality on the ground, that's all. It's only the Serbs who somehow have convinced themselves that other nations should feel privileged to be ruled by them that believe such nonsense. Big news flash to you guys: nobody wants to be ruled by the likes of Kostunica and Ilic and the Radicals or people who think in the same terms as Ratko or Dragan in this site, so even the Hungarians and Sandzak Muslims would run away of given a chance. Watch out that they don't and forget Kosova.

Germany should know better.

Come on guys. Be real cool: recognize Taiwan!

"But do you know that, it was Serbian paramilitary, which caused all that bloodshed in Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, and Kosova"

But Germany didn't discouraged the secessionists from attacking the JNA and Yugoslav federal instiutions and promised recognition. Also there weren't any Serbian paramilitaries in Slovenia.

If Kosovo can have independance I am calling on every state and province in every nation of this world to do the same. This includes the states in the USA to declare their own independance and live a better life then what Washington D.C has to offer.

@ miri,
Your miss informed, I would not have had a problem with Croatias independence if it was done in a civil way...through high level meetings with Croatian and Serbian politicians. When of all a sudden you start flying your flags disregarding international law, by smuggling weapons, and declaring independence without the regards of minority right's you lose the right to govern. Croatian nationalism put the fear in the Serbian population (remeber world war two) and did nothing to ease the fears of the past. Croatia made them second class citizens overnight and began their harassment of anything Serbian.I should have said the premature recognition of Slovenia, and Croatia led to bloodshed. We should have gave it more time....but of course that was not the intention of Germany.I would rather negotiate 10 years then have war for one. Miri it's sad anyway you look at it, I am an American worked for an ngo, I have been through Croatia.
The depopulation of the Serbs hurt Croatia very much, the coastline is becoming popular but the country side is in a depressive state..no jobs.

If a Kosovo newspaper reports that an unnamed German official said this, it must be true. I can't imagine a more reliable chain of information than this.

An unnamed source could be the butcher, the baker or even the candle stick maker.

If this person has credible information why is he reluctant to be quoted and his name used? This is obviously somebody stirring up trouble and encouraging the Albanians not to negotiate.

I am waiting for the official quote with a name attached to it.

surprise , surprise .things start to move from the dead spot , and if we make some comparation with Croatia case , then history seems to be repeated .

@ Jack: "But Germanys irresponsible recognition of Slovenia, and Croatia which led to bloodshed ..."

So when one beats the wife to death, is the neighbour's fault that looked from the window and called the police.
That's what are you saying?

Well,we finally have an official response from Germany.
Martin Jaeger (we have a name attached to a source this time), has strongly denied that Germany will recognize independent Kosovo if they declare independence.

I knew it must've been the butcher, baker or candle stick maker that made the first claim they will.

He also said that the report has come from Pristina and it wasn't true.
What say you now, Albanian camp? Are you still stock piling the fire works?

Funcakes writes. Do you think Germany will side with Russia instead of the US.

Well Funcakes, I think they just did. According to Martin Jaeger they will not recognize independent Kosovo if K-Albanians declare unilateral independence.
You can wipe the smile off your face now.

Yup, Germany is always first. WW1, WW2, 1991 anyone?

Go Germany!!!

Re: the fiction that Germany's recognition of Croatia and Slovenia led to bloodshed. This can only be true if history works backwards.

Facts:
June 1991 Croatian referendum
July 1991 Croatia and Slovenia declare independence, after a long, long period of the Yugoslav constitution being undermined by Milosevic: at the time, the even the presidency could not function, as Mesic's legal appointment was being blocked by Serbia and its three satellite votes where it had imposed leaders (Montenegro, Vojvodina, and occupied Kosova)

*No country* recognised Croatia and Slovenia

July-August: Serbian army (ie, "Yugoslav" army) begins its 6-month long gigantic attack on Croatia, killing 10,000 people, ethnically cleansing half a million Croats from one third of Croatia (though Serbs were only 11 percent ofthe population, and were an absolute minority in most of these occupied regions), destroying 40% of Croatian industry etc. Bombs Dubrovnik for nothing (2% Serb pop'n), besieges, sacks and destroys Vukovar (mixed town with absolute Croat majority)

After months and months and months of this with zero response from the EU, the S or anyine else (except to impose an arms embargo, which affected Croatai, not Serbia which already had the JNA) ...

December 23, 1991: After 6 mnths of this war, *only then*, Germany recognises the two republics, after EU had already agreed to recognise them in Janary (ie, Germany's only sin was to do it 3 weeks early)

December-January: war coming to an end, Vance Plan, Serbo-CRoatian peace agreement under Vance leaves one third of Croatia under Serbian rule, alows Serbia to keep all the massive weaponry of the JNA, to take it out of Croatia, and ... into Bosnia.

January 15: EU and Russia recognise Croatia and Slovenia, but the US still refuses

Thus, as we see, the bloodshed began 6 mnths before german recognition; recognition only occurred as war was ending (probably hastened its end)

Really? I read that the foreign minister, Martin Jaeger said that Germany will not recognize unilateral independence! Whatever, I guess we will see after December the 10th.

BERLIN (Tiraspol Times) - With Serbia and Kosovo meeting in Berlin this week, German Foreign Ministry official Martin Jaeger strongly rejected media reports from Pristina which said that Germany would recognize Kosovo's independence after 10 December 2007 when the current 120-day negotiation period ends.

With the statement, Germany added itself to a list of countries that are having second thoughts about giving Kosovo independence before other would-be countries that have waited longer to become internationally recognized. These frozen conflicts and "de facto" countries include Transdniestria, Northern Cyprus, Somaliland, Abkhazia and several others.

For full story >> http://www.tiraspoltimes.com/node/1403

Raso said:
"opposite to the "bosnians", there is no nato to fight for "pristinars". they are all on tour in afghanistan and irak."

statement like those above paint a clear picture of far from reality is Serbian camp

In Bosnia there wasn’t even one NATO soldier while serbs where slaughtering civilians in thousand, right now in Kosova there are at least 16000 NATO soldiers majority of whom are from countries that do support independence of Kosova. I do have a fast solution for people like you Bring it ON.
Should I remind you of what NATO did to Serbia in 1999 ?

Oh Cvele,
I swear, I'm always shocked when I read your comments. And I'm shocked twice when I realize that B92 publish them!

"We all know they are full of it and will not sacrifice their relations with Russia over 2 milion albanians. And with that risk a VERY cold winter. CCCC (Cvele, 5. November 2007 15:00)

- Do you really think Russia is going to stop selling Germany oil at $100 a barrel becasue they recognize Kosovo?

"Germany lost a 1/3 of its land at the end of WW2. It has been penetrated by Islamic communities and should be very careful in giving away another countries land just in case at some time in the future...
Bosko

- Are you implying that Serbia will have a say over Germany's borders one day?

@ raso's "caligula made his horse senator, the horse never started in office"
same sentence was used by Milosevic before the NATO bombing started... When in Rome do as romans do! But we are not in rome and this is 21st century.
I got another one for you. Germany is a great country with true democracy, who as a country recognises its negative role in WW2, and still is working to heal itself from Nazzism... Learn something from that and heal your country, and let us Kosovars heal our country ourselves.
We will be good neighbours, so let it flow.

Ok, what we got here? USA, UK, France, Italy and finally also Germany supporting the freedom.

And on the other hand: Russia, Cyprus, Iran, Cuba and Slovakia supporting slavery.

Please help me. I am weak in maths. Looks like we are even.

Rasko you are in position to talk about sources when your news bible is serbianna.com.

Furthermore, if it wasn't true than why is B92 summarizing a whole article?

Cvele I DARE RUSSIA TO CUT ITS GAS SUPPLY. Europe will freeze will RUSSIA WILL STARVE.

Well, what do you think Germany is gonna do? Side with Russia instead of US?

Come on, get real.

"And on the other hand: Russia, Cyprus, Iran, Cuba and Slovakia supporting slavery.
Please help me. I am weak in maths. Looks like we are even.
(Mikel,"

LOLOL!! Russia and friends don't even addup to Mississippi's GNP, let alone come near America's toe.

Cvele have you notice how Taiwan is starving without UN seat?

serbia should let kosovo be,and join hands with the west to make the region a better place.russia will only lead the sebs to a dead end, lossers never win,I hope this scenario ends as soon as possible and I hope that the Kosova and Serbian institutions start working on the European Union integration as true partners. russia please give us a chance to in prove the lifes of our people,kosovo is not a battle field to fight the west.

Germany saying yes to Kosovo Independence now will lead to a domino effect. These 12 nations will now follow Germany (Close German Allies):
Austria, Switzerland,Hungaria Czeck,Slovakia,Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Norway,Slovenia, Croatia, & Bosnia.

Many of you have been describing here Muslim persons as non-humans or sub-humans. That’s very, very racist and disgusting.

Of course, they will.
Germans were the first ones to recognize Croatia, Slovenia and Bosnia.
Its really exciting to witness the formation of the long awaited freedom from the Serbian rule.
Most European countries have their staffs ready to move to Prishtina in their respected EMBASSIES.

The last BIG player has made his mind! I think the game is over.

Ok, what we got here? USA, UK, France, Italy and finally also Germany supporting the freedom.

And on the other hand: Russia, Cyprus, Iran, Cuba and Slovakia supporting slavery.

Please help me. I am weak in maths. Looks like we are even.

koha ditore....it's gotta be the worst news source in the world.

No wonder the alban camp writes constant provocative comments; because this is their most trusted news source.

But do you know that, it was Serbian paramilitary, which caused all that bloodshed in Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, and Kosova, not the German army.
I remember, ICTY is searching for Serbian warlords not German warlords…
I think you need to support your arguments better if you want to gain the trust of the audience…

I hope this scenario ends as soon as possible and I hope that the Kosova and Serbian institutions start working on the European Union integration as true partners.

Avni Gjoni
Ferizaj

I'm not getting excited over "unnamed sources" cited only in Koha Ditore.

Give me an official statement by Merkl in BBC and then we'll talk.

By this rationale, I could cite unnamed American sources saying the Moon is made of cheese.

It's just a rumor at the moment but there have been several rumors of this nature coming from Germany lately. If confirmed it would be great and given the German record it is not unlikely.
And to all those who say that Germany's recognition of Croatia sparked a chain reaction: Do you seriously believe that Croatia would not have fought Milosevic and the Serbs had Germany not recognized it? It is crazy to portray the whole thing as if Germany started it and that without that recognition the Croats would have resigned to being a Serb colony. Germany merely reacted to the reality on the ground, that's all. It's only the Serbs who somehow have convinced themselves that other nations should feel privileged to be ruled by them that believe such nonsense. Big news flash to you guys: nobody wants to be ruled by the likes of Kostunica and Ilic and the Radicals or people who think in the same terms as Ratko or Dragan in this site, so even the Hungarians and Sandzak Muslims would run away of given a chance. Watch out that they don't and forget Kosova.

@ Jack: "But Germanys irresponsible recognition of Slovenia, and Croatia which led to bloodshed ..."

So when one beats the wife to death, is the neighbour's fault that looked from the window and called the police.
That's what are you saying?

Raso said:
"opposite to the "bosnians", there is no nato to fight for "pristinars". they are all on tour in afghanistan and irak."

statement like those above paint a clear picture of far from reality is Serbian camp

In Bosnia there wasn’t even one NATO soldier while serbs where slaughtering civilians in thousand, right now in Kosova there are at least 16000 NATO soldiers majority of whom are from countries that do support independence of Kosova. I do have a fast solution for people like you Bring it ON.
Should I remind you of what NATO did to Serbia in 1999 ?

Oh Cvele,
I swear, I'm always shocked when I read your comments. And I'm shocked twice when I realize that B92 publish them!

"We all know they are full of it and will not sacrifice their relations with Russia over 2 milion albanians. And with that risk a VERY cold winter. CCCC (Cvele, 5. November 2007 15:00)

- Do you really think Russia is going to stop selling Germany oil at $100 a barrel becasue they recognize Kosovo?

"Germany lost a 1/3 of its land at the end of WW2. It has been penetrated by Islamic communities and should be very careful in giving away another countries land just in case at some time in the future...
Bosko

- Are you implying that Serbia will have a say over Germany's borders one day?

@ raso's "caligula made his horse senator, the horse never started in office"
same sentence was used by Milosevic before the NATO bombing started... When in Rome do as romans do! But we are not in rome and this is 21st century.
I got another one for you. Germany is a great country with true democracy, who as a country recognises its negative role in WW2, and still is working to heal itself from Nazzism... Learn something from that and heal your country, and let us Kosovars heal our country ourselves.
We will be good neighbours, so let it flow.

Rasko you are in position to talk about sources when your news bible is serbianna.com.

Furthermore, if it wasn't true than why is B92 summarizing a whole article?

Cvele I DARE RUSSIA TO CUT ITS GAS SUPPLY. Europe will freeze will RUSSIA WILL STARVE.

caligula made his horse senator, the horse never started in office.

germany recognized bosnia, and then again (the 50% that left).

opposite to the "bosnians", there is no nato to fight for "pristinars". they are all on tour in afghanistan and irak.

the germans are much to smart to - once again - show that their recognition doesn´t mean anything.

but don´t get me wrong: go ahead, if there is someone for a very fast solution of the southserbian problem, then it´s me!

An unnamed German government official said that Germany would recognize Kosovo independence if proclaimed, Koha ditore writes.

If Koha ditore said it it must be true. Lets see how the German officials will react to this news in reply. We all know they are full of it and will not sacrifice their relations with Russia over 2 milion albanians. And with that risk a VERY cold winter. CCCC

Why does this not surprise me. Although I admit Yugoslavia after Tito was not viable because of each Republics ambitions to go on their way. But Germanys irresponsible recognition of Slovenia, and Croatia which led to bloodshed I would say was one of the biggest blunnders of the last century. And now they are doing it again.Germany continues to meddle in the Balkans in a non productive way, but to encourage violence.I hope that Russia realizes, and she probably does that Germany will always be an enemy to Russia and to all Slavs in general.The West is the West and the East is the East..a territory to be conqured one day slowly but surely bit, by bit, by bit.

surprise , surprise .things start to move from the dead spot , and if we make some comparation with Croatia case , then history seems to be repeated .

Not a suprise...

and i find it so funny that our president really wants a serbian kosovo and at the same time wants to get closer to the likes of germany

pathetic

our friends are those who respect our integrety.

In my opinion, the sooner the better. Serbia should ignore it and let the other countries to recognize Kosovo. The north of Kosovo will be de facto and de jure independent since Albanians have no control over the North (unless they induce the violence against Serbs again). Serbia should concentrate after that on preservation of Serbian cultural heritage and its people still living in there, sothern part. I am sure without good protection the cultural heritage will be exposed to total destruction as it almost happened in March 2004. It is also possible to move the haritage physiacly away which costs a lot but EU could pay this or Serbia itslef. Honestly speaking, why in the Earth we Serbs would want Albanians. There are 2 millions of them and it is in our best interest is to let them go. Why would we want to deal with the huge rate of uneployment since we have the same problem as well. Kosovo will only cost us a huge amount of money and Sebian tax payesr wont be ready to take it. We already pay ech day a lot of money for Kosovo debts which I expect should be returned back and poured in Serbia soon after the status. The least we want is to see them one day in Serbian govrenment deciding over the future of Serbia. We don't need any more troubles with them as we had it in past. We are very well aware of the methods they used to reach their goals and what makes them stop in the future to bahave same way. Only thing we learned from them is violence and violence as the most wanted and guaranted measure to reach the goals. They have been doing the same over the century by now and nothing has been changed in their attitudes. Serbia should take also Albanian reproduction into consideration.

The another thing is that, with no offence, Albanians make a huge number of immigrants all over the Europe with Serbian passports which represent wrong picture about real migration. It is enough to see next news what is Swiss doing on imigrants and Kosovo is among those countries. Do Serbs need this? Do we need to be in the same category in order to preserve Kosovo. Do we want to identify ourselves with them? I don't think so. I am sure that all of us here know why EU want Kosovo independence. I am almost certain but cannot claim. Albanians should be aware that it is not becuse of the EU's affection towards them.

Germany lost a 1/3 of its land at the end of WW2. It has been penetrated by Islamic communities and should be very careful in giving away another countries land just in case at some time in the future...

Bosko

Germany should know better.

Come on guys. Be real cool: recognize Taiwan!

Re: the fiction that Germany's recognition of Croatia and Slovenia led to bloodshed. This can only be true if history works backwards.

Facts:
June 1991 Croatian referendum
July 1991 Croatia and Slovenia declare independence, after a long, long period of the Yugoslav constitution being undermined by Milosevic: at the time, the even the presidency could not function, as Mesic's legal appointment was being blocked by Serbia and its three satellite votes where it had imposed leaders (Montenegro, Vojvodina, and occupied Kosova)

*No country* recognised Croatia and Slovenia

July-August: Serbian army (ie, "Yugoslav" army) begins its 6-month long gigantic attack on Croatia, killing 10,000 people, ethnically cleansing half a million Croats from one third of Croatia (though Serbs were only 11 percent ofthe population, and were an absolute minority in most of these occupied regions), destroying 40% of Croatian industry etc. Bombs Dubrovnik for nothing (2% Serb pop'n), besieges, sacks and destroys Vukovar (mixed town with absolute Croat majority)

After months and months and months of this with zero response from the EU, the S or anyine else (except to impose an arms embargo, which affected Croatai, not Serbia which already had the JNA) ...

December 23, 1991: After 6 mnths of this war, *only then*, Germany recognises the two republics, after EU had already agreed to recognise them in Janary (ie, Germany's only sin was to do it 3 weeks early)

December-January: war coming to an end, Vance Plan, Serbo-CRoatian peace agreement under Vance leaves one third of Croatia under Serbian rule, alows Serbia to keep all the massive weaponry of the JNA, to take it out of Croatia, and ... into Bosnia.

January 15: EU and Russia recognise Croatia and Slovenia, but the US still refuses

Thus, as we see, the bloodshed began 6 mnths before german recognition; recognition only occurred as war was ending (probably hastened its end)

"And on the other hand: Russia, Cyprus, Iran, Cuba and Slovakia supporting slavery.
Please help me. I am weak in maths. Looks like we are even.
(Mikel,"

LOLOL!! Russia and friends don't even addup to Mississippi's GNP, let alone come near America's toe.

Cvele have you notice how Taiwan is starving without UN seat?

serbia should let kosovo be,and join hands with the west to make the region a better place.russia will only lead the sebs to a dead end, lossers never win,I hope this scenario ends as soon as possible and I hope that the Kosova and Serbian institutions start working on the European Union integration as true partners. russia please give us a chance to in prove the lifes of our people,kosovo is not a battle field to fight the west.

Given the trouble caused by Germany in the 20th century, would it be too much to ask them to keep their noses out of international affairs for the duration of the 21st.

Yup, Germany is always first. WW1, WW2, 1991 anyone?

Go Germany!!!

Well, what do you think Germany is gonna do? Side with Russia instead of US?

Come on, get real.

Funcakes writes. Do you think Germany will side with Russia instead of the US.

Well Funcakes, I think they just did. According to Martin Jaeger they will not recognize independent Kosovo if K-Albanians declare unilateral independence.
You can wipe the smile off your face now.

Many of you have been describing here Muslim persons as non-humans or sub-humans. That’s very, very racist and disgusting.

Germany saying yes to Kosovo Independence now will lead to a domino effect. These 12 nations will now follow Germany (Close German Allies):
Austria, Switzerland,Hungaria Czeck,Slovakia,Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Norway,Slovenia, Croatia, & Bosnia.

That's what they did with Croatia in December 1991.

Did Germany benefit? What domino effect occurred?

"But do you know that, it was Serbian paramilitary, which caused all that bloodshed in Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, and Kosova"

But Germany didn't discouraged the secessionists from attacking the JNA and Yugoslav federal instiutions and promised recognition. Also there weren't any Serbian paramilitaries in Slovenia.

Independence is not the solution, it is the problem that will start new wars.

Illegal independence will not lead anyone or anything forward but backwards to new ethnic conflicts in Kosovo, Macedonia and Bosnia.

Why shall Serbs enjoy less "self determination" than Albanians, Muslims and Croats??? If you can tear Serbia apart, you can tear Bosnia apart. You can tear a lot of countries apart if you start giving in to separatist elements.

@ miri,
Your miss informed, I would not have had a problem with Croatias independence if it was done in a civil way...through high level meetings with Croatian and Serbian politicians. When of all a sudden you start flying your flags disregarding international law, by smuggling weapons, and declaring independence without the regards of minority right's you lose the right to govern. Croatian nationalism put the fear in the Serbian population (remeber world war two) and did nothing to ease the fears of the past. Croatia made them second class citizens overnight and began their harassment of anything Serbian.I should have said the premature recognition of Slovenia, and Croatia led to bloodshed. We should have gave it more time....but of course that was not the intention of Germany.I would rather negotiate 10 years then have war for one. Miri it's sad anyway you look at it, I am an American worked for an ngo, I have been through Croatia.
The depopulation of the Serbs hurt Croatia very much, the coastline is becoming popular but the country side is in a depressive state..no jobs.

If Kosovo can have independance I am calling on every state and province in every nation of this world to do the same. This includes the states in the USA to declare their own independance and live a better life then what Washington D.C has to offer.

If a Kosovo newspaper reports that an unnamed German official said this, it must be true. I can't imagine a more reliable chain of information than this.

An unnamed source could be the butcher, the baker or even the candle stick maker.

If this person has credible information why is he reluctant to be quoted and his name used? This is obviously somebody stirring up trouble and encouraging the Albanians not to negotiate.

I am waiting for the official quote with a name attached to it.

# "We all know they are full of it and will not sacrifice their relations with Russia over 2 milion albanians. And with that risk a VERY cold winter. CCCC (Cvele, 5. November 2007 15:00)

- Do you really think Russia is going to stop selling Germany oil at $100 a barrel becasue they recognize Kosovo?

You really believe they wont? Anyway... China is buying and paying top dollar for it. So ur argument is as dead as the idea of Kosovo independence. They wont starve. U will without a seat in the UN.

Well,we finally have an official response from Germany.
Martin Jaeger (we have a name attached to a source this time), has strongly denied that Germany will recognize independent Kosovo if they declare independence.

I knew it must've been the butcher, baker or candle stick maker that made the first claim they will.

He also said that the report has come from Pristina and it wasn't true.
What say you now, Albanian camp? Are you still stock piling the fire works?

Really? I read that the foreign minister, Martin Jaeger said that Germany will not recognize unilateral independence! Whatever, I guess we will see after December the 10th.

BERLIN (Tiraspol Times) - With Serbia and Kosovo meeting in Berlin this week, German Foreign Ministry official Martin Jaeger strongly rejected media reports from Pristina which said that Germany would recognize Kosovo's independence after 10 December 2007 when the current 120-day negotiation period ends.

With the statement, Germany added itself to a list of countries that are having second thoughts about giving Kosovo independence before other would-be countries that have waited longer to become internationally recognized. These frozen conflicts and "de facto" countries include Transdniestria, Northern Cyprus, Somaliland, Abkhazia and several others.

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