Why do you discuss with Albanians about history and wast the time. What do you expect to learn from someone who acquired degree in some of the basments all over Kosovo. They have been thought and raised on animosity towards the Serbs. How else their teacher could explain them why they should hate Serbs if not faking the history and facts. The another important fact is that they have been raised to hate Serbs by thier own families. So, what else we could expect from them. Let them live and believe what ever they like and please them.
In the past 1000000 years Kosovo has never been on its own or a part of albania. They are part of Serbia and the whole world recognized that a mere 8 years ago. So tough luck but ur myths have no substance making them just that... myths.
Every nation deserves to be free. Kosova Independence has a very specific background that makes it pop up as an Unique Case.
1. Kosova was never part of any Serbia in all its history.
2. Kosova was a Separate Entity, part of the Ottoman Empire until that empire ceased to exist.
3. After the WWII, Kosova was supposed to held a referendum to decide about its fate - never happened because the Cold War "started".
4. Kosova was an Autonomous Province under Serbia, repeat: not part of, but under Serbia, and one of the 8 Constituitive Subjects of Yugoslavia, a state that Now Does Not Exist.
5. The people of Kosova are mostly Albanian (over 95%),who have nothing incommon with slavs and whose main object (for the last 200 years) has been, is, and will be The Independence of Kosova. Their will has been put into referendums more than once so far.
6. The International Community has realized and made clear to everyone that Kosova will not be part of any other state from now on and that the stability of the Balkans will be cemented with the Independence of Kosova.
7. The time is now to cement this forecomming stability.
Questions to Princip:
What would you do in case that even Russia recognises Kosova's Independence?
OLF
Question to OLF
U tell me what u will do when Russia DOESNT recognise ur independence. Please dont say unilateral proclamation because that is a joke. Its going to destroy ur lives for an indefinite number of years and no one in the world will support it. So Serbs win since that gets u no closer to independence. So u let me know what u will do. Crying will not make ur problems go away either. CCCC
Has Kosovo ever existed as an independent state? Was it ever part of Albania?
It is most definitely a province of Serbia, and until Serbia recognises otherwise it will always be a province of Serbia - even if it declares independence it will still be within the boundaries of Serbia.
Kosovo as an independent entity would exist only as long the US is prepared to defend it. There's nothing to say that it won't be reoccupied in 60 years time when the US has bankrupted its self and China is the worlds superpower!
The US should rethink its view - a cooperative Balkans within Europe is what is needed. What is not needed is lots of little counties masquerading as countries.
"Princip Ealing Republic is funny however it is impossible since Russia has no say to what happens in UK. This scenario is no longer being mentioned "
- the fact that you have heard it discussed suggests alot but given there is no mention now doesn't that give a hint that the precedent that the US would enforce upon the world is all the less likely too ?
Oh by the way what historical books and resources are you reading to come up with such a farcical ideas as;
" Falsification of the history by Serbia is finally coming to end"
- you clearly don't appreciate that "kosovo polje" petains to the Serbian language root of Fields of the blackbirds but then Kosov(a) has no relevance in the Albanian language - ah but then world history as far as you are concerned it was all just made up by the world powers in 1912. Go do some real historical research!
"But personally I simply do not care what happens in those cases as long as Kosova becomes independent.""
Finally you show your real nature.
So your case is more important than the case of some one else? Well, people like you make this planet an awful place.
Nothing like a self-serving attitude to prove either how clueless you guys are, or just how you have a lack of a global perspective. OLF, you pass yourself as some intelectual but you say things like " I am not familiar with the situation in the mentioned places but if they are in favour of going through what Kosova people went through in past 200 years just for being in their homes and being of a different nationality than let them think again" REALLY? I bet the US would allow Hispanics take a huge part of their country away since you know California, TExas, etc. were taken away by force. GET REAL! You guys are either NAIVE or you believe you are SPECIAL, which the US and its allies are trying to convince the Russians. Just because you gave money for lobbying does not guarantee you anything. I know that doesn't go well in Albanian circles but it is a reality that does happen....you don't get what you paid for.
Hey OLF, let me ask you this question, what happens if the US doesn't back your independence? What then? That question is just as foolish as asking Serbs the same question about Russia.
Less chest-thumping please.....also, sharpen up your geography skills. You might want to learn about these other global hotspots. It requires doing a little googoling or picking up a textbook.....
Well, so CSM keeps mentioning how Kosovo will be a blueprint for separatists everywhere (terrorise locals, have the govt. intervene and call in whatever ...).
Well, that's a gross oversimplification by a pretty reputable newspaper.
For one thing, Kosovars under Rugova tried the peaceful resistance for years and it bought them only more repression by the Milosevic regime. It became pretty obvious that violence was the only language that regime understood. And that's what it got.
The other point is also that Kosovo should serve as a blueprint on how a government SHOULD NOT ACT when faced with separatism. Wholesale brutality against civilians is unacceptable. Serbia is not being punished for trying to put down the KLA, but rather for the methods that it chose to do so, namely medieval practices of "scorched earth tactics" and ethnic cleansing (Ghengis Khan style). If any other minority gets treated that way, then it deserves to break free "International Law" be damned.
Princip Ealing Republic is funny however it is impossible since Russia has no say to what happens in UK. This scenario is no longer being mentioned anywhere so please get updated.
Questions to Princip:
What would you do in case that even Russia recognises Kosova's Independence?
What would be your answer to Serbia people, the ones that believed you when you told them that Independence of Kosova is impossible and against International Law?
Well why not? If the Chechens want to separate from Russia they should be allowed to and so should the Basques who after all have been on that land since long before there was a Spanish nation and so should all the other people who do not feel at home in their country. But personally I simply do not care what happens in those cases as long as Kosova becomes independent. But if this is what the Serbs are worried about then they should set the lead in the efforts at preventing Kosova from becoming a road sign by putting pressure on their separatist minded brethren in RS so that they don't split from BiH.
It is sort of funny how America's enemies and problems today were once considered its allies and partners 20 - 30 years prior, and its allies and partners in the present, usually end up becoming a headache 20 - 30 years down the road.
50 - that is just for starters. Bosnia is a clear comparision of this not so "unique" Kosovo & Metohija precedent. All other seperatist threats can be just as easily formulated to fit the "model" that the US have created for any other ethnic group to follow.
What would be left of the UK when it is partitioned into it's nation states (given that the UK illegally recognise Kosovo & Metohija they lose all grounds to block an independent Scotland)? What happens then when England is sub-divided just like what is being enforced upon Serbia now?
I guess many Serbs could propose an independent "Ealing'Ar" out of the west London Borough given the large number of ethnic Serbs who live there and others throughout the rest of the UK who could be persuaded to concentrate there and might feel a "threat" and then apply the US model of seperatism. What other ethnic groups could do the same - how many other consequences could this not so "unique" model create where there were none before not just the obvious 50?
Oh what a tangled web we weave, When first we practise to deceive! - Sir Walter Scott
I think reality is starting to sink in about this not so "unique" pandora's box that the US wish to impose on the rest of the world. Back tracking has already begun with talk of posponment of status to 2020 - the US have got themselves into this mess and can hopefully come to their senses before they mess up again - at least they might give themselves 12 more years breathing space.
I would like to start my posting by reminding that Kosova was occupied by Serbia but never Serbia. Falsification of the history by Serbia is finally coming to end. Everybody, even Serbs recognise that Kosova history was flawed for occupation matter, in which history some believed. Luckily now number of those believing in fairy tales is very low even amongst the Serbs themselves , polls conducted in Serbia tell this better.
I am not familiar with the situation in the mentioned places but if they are in favour of going through what Kosova people went through in past 200 years just for being in their homes and being of a different nationality than let them think again. People of Kosova did not choose the terror and war instead of peace if that was offered. Motioned places will become independent if there is going to be enough support for It from the World Powers, same as it was for Serbia in 1912. As it is there is not support but that does not mean that the future is the same. Things change with the time so do we, we must adjust to changes in order to survive.
50 - that is just for starters. Bosnia is a clear comparision of this not so "unique" Kosovo & Metohija precedent. All other seperatist threats can be just as easily formulated to fit the "model" that the US have created for any other ethnic group to follow.
What would be left of the UK when it is partitioned into it's nation states (given that the UK illegally recognise Kosovo & Metohija they lose all grounds to block an independent Scotland)? What happens then when England is sub-divided just like what is being enforced upon Serbia now?
I guess many Serbs could propose an independent "Ealing'Ar" out of the west London Borough given the large number of ethnic Serbs who live there and others throughout the rest of the UK who could be persuaded to concentrate there and might feel a "threat" and then apply the US model of seperatism. What other ethnic groups could do the same - how many other consequences could this not so "unique" model create where there were none before not just the obvious 50?
Oh what a tangled web we weave, When first we practise to deceive! - Sir Walter Scott
I think reality is starting to sink in about this not so "unique" pandora's box that the US wish to impose on the rest of the world. Back tracking has already begun with talk of posponment of status to 2020 - the US have got themselves into this mess and can hopefully come to their senses before they mess up again - at least they might give themselves 12 more years breathing space.
It is sort of funny how America's enemies and problems today were once considered its allies and partners 20 - 30 years prior, and its allies and partners in the present, usually end up becoming a headache 20 - 30 years down the road.
"But personally I simply do not care what happens in those cases as long as Kosova becomes independent.""
Finally you show your real nature.
So your case is more important than the case of some one else? Well, people like you make this planet an awful place.
Nothing like a self-serving attitude to prove either how clueless you guys are, or just how you have a lack of a global perspective. OLF, you pass yourself as some intelectual but you say things like " I am not familiar with the situation in the mentioned places but if they are in favour of going through what Kosova people went through in past 200 years just for being in their homes and being of a different nationality than let them think again" REALLY? I bet the US would allow Hispanics take a huge part of their country away since you know California, TExas, etc. were taken away by force. GET REAL! You guys are either NAIVE or you believe you are SPECIAL, which the US and its allies are trying to convince the Russians. Just because you gave money for lobbying does not guarantee you anything. I know that doesn't go well in Albanian circles but it is a reality that does happen....you don't get what you paid for.
Hey OLF, let me ask you this question, what happens if the US doesn't back your independence? What then? That question is just as foolish as asking Serbs the same question about Russia.
Less chest-thumping please.....also, sharpen up your geography skills. You might want to learn about these other global hotspots. It requires doing a little googoling or picking up a textbook.....
"Princip Ealing Republic is funny however it is impossible since Russia has no say to what happens in UK. This scenario is no longer being mentioned "
- the fact that you have heard it discussed suggests alot but given there is no mention now doesn't that give a hint that the precedent that the US would enforce upon the world is all the less likely too ?
Oh by the way what historical books and resources are you reading to come up with such a farcical ideas as;
" Falsification of the history by Serbia is finally coming to end"
- you clearly don't appreciate that "kosovo polje" petains to the Serbian language root of Fields of the blackbirds but then Kosov(a) has no relevance in the Albanian language - ah but then world history as far as you are concerned it was all just made up by the world powers in 1912. Go do some real historical research!
Has Kosovo ever existed as an independent state? Was it ever part of Albania?
It is most definitely a province of Serbia, and until Serbia recognises otherwise it will always be a province of Serbia - even if it declares independence it will still be within the boundaries of Serbia.
Kosovo as an independent entity would exist only as long the US is prepared to defend it. There's nothing to say that it won't be reoccupied in 60 years time when the US has bankrupted its self and China is the worlds superpower!
The US should rethink its view - a cooperative Balkans within Europe is what is needed. What is not needed is lots of little counties masquerading as countries.
In the past 1000000 years Kosovo has never been on its own or a part of albania. They are part of Serbia and the whole world recognized that a mere 8 years ago. So tough luck but ur myths have no substance making them just that... myths.
Questions to Princip:
What would you do in case that even Russia recognises Kosova's Independence?
OLF
Question to OLF
U tell me what u will do when Russia DOESNT recognise ur independence. Please dont say unilateral proclamation because that is a joke. Its going to destroy ur lives for an indefinite number of years and no one in the world will support it. So Serbs win since that gets u no closer to independence. So u let me know what u will do. Crying will not make ur problems go away either. CCCC
I would like to start my posting by reminding that Kosova was occupied by Serbia but never Serbia. Falsification of the history by Serbia is finally coming to end. Everybody, even Serbs recognise that Kosova history was flawed for occupation matter, in which history some believed. Luckily now number of those believing in fairy tales is very low even amongst the Serbs themselves , polls conducted in Serbia tell this better.
I am not familiar with the situation in the mentioned places but if they are in favour of going through what Kosova people went through in past 200 years just for being in their homes and being of a different nationality than let them think again. People of Kosova did not choose the terror and war instead of peace if that was offered. Motioned places will become independent if there is going to be enough support for It from the World Powers, same as it was for Serbia in 1912. As it is there is not support but that does not mean that the future is the same. Things change with the time so do we, we must adjust to changes in order to survive.
Every nation deserves to be free. Kosova Independence has a very specific background that makes it pop up as an Unique Case.
1. Kosova was never part of any Serbia in all its history.
2. Kosova was a Separate Entity, part of the Ottoman Empire until that empire ceased to exist.
3. After the WWII, Kosova was supposed to held a referendum to decide about its fate - never happened because the Cold War "started".
4. Kosova was an Autonomous Province under Serbia, repeat: not part of, but under Serbia, and one of the 8 Constituitive Subjects of Yugoslavia, a state that Now Does Not Exist.
5. The people of Kosova are mostly Albanian (over 95%),who have nothing incommon with slavs and whose main object (for the last 200 years) has been, is, and will be The Independence of Kosova. Their will has been put into referendums more than once so far.
6. The International Community has realized and made clear to everyone that Kosova will not be part of any other state from now on and that the stability of the Balkans will be cemented with the Independence of Kosova.
7. The time is now to cement this forecomming stability.
Well why not? If the Chechens want to separate from Russia they should be allowed to and so should the Basques who after all have been on that land since long before there was a Spanish nation and so should all the other people who do not feel at home in their country. But personally I simply do not care what happens in those cases as long as Kosova becomes independent. But if this is what the Serbs are worried about then they should set the lead in the efforts at preventing Kosova from becoming a road sign by putting pressure on their separatist minded brethren in RS so that they don't split from BiH.
Princip Ealing Republic is funny however it is impossible since Russia has no say to what happens in UK. This scenario is no longer being mentioned anywhere so please get updated.
Questions to Princip:
What would you do in case that even Russia recognises Kosova's Independence?
What would be your answer to Serbia people, the ones that believed you when you told them that Independence of Kosova is impossible and against International Law?
Well, so CSM keeps mentioning how Kosovo will be a blueprint for separatists everywhere (terrorise locals, have the govt. intervene and call in whatever ...).
Well, that's a gross oversimplification by a pretty reputable newspaper.
For one thing, Kosovars under Rugova tried the peaceful resistance for years and it bought them only more repression by the Milosevic regime. It became pretty obvious that violence was the only language that regime understood. And that's what it got.
The other point is also that Kosovo should serve as a blueprint on how a government SHOULD NOT ACT when faced with separatism. Wholesale brutality against civilians is unacceptable. Serbia is not being punished for trying to put down the KLA, but rather for the methods that it chose to do so, namely medieval practices of "scorched earth tactics" and ethnic cleansing (Ghengis Khan style). If any other minority gets treated that way, then it deserves to break free "International Law" be damned.
Why do you discuss with Albanians about history and wast the time. What do you expect to learn from someone who acquired degree in some of the basments all over Kosovo. They have been thought and raised on animosity towards the Serbs. How else their teacher could explain them why they should hate Serbs if not faking the history and facts. The another important fact is that they have been raised to hate Serbs by thier own families. So, what else we could expect from them. Let them live and believe what ever they like and please them.
I would like to start my posting by reminding that Kosova was occupied by Serbia but never Serbia. Falsification of the history by Serbia is finally coming to end. Everybody, even Serbs recognise that Kosova history was flawed for occupation matter, in which history some believed. Luckily now number of those believing in fairy tales is very low even amongst the Serbs themselves , polls conducted in Serbia tell this better.
I am not familiar with the situation in the mentioned places but if they are in favour of going through what Kosova people went through in past 200 years just for being in their homes and being of a different nationality than let them think again. People of Kosova did not choose the terror and war instead of peace if that was offered. Motioned places will become independent if there is going to be enough support for It from the World Powers, same as it was for Serbia in 1912. As it is there is not support but that does not mean that the future is the same. Things change with the time so do we, we must adjust to changes in order to survive.
Princip Ealing Republic is funny however it is impossible since Russia has no say to what happens in UK. This scenario is no longer being mentioned anywhere so please get updated.
Questions to Princip:
What would you do in case that even Russia recognises Kosova's Independence?
What would be your answer to Serbia people, the ones that believed you when you told them that Independence of Kosova is impossible and against International Law?
Well why not? If the Chechens want to separate from Russia they should be allowed to and so should the Basques who after all have been on that land since long before there was a Spanish nation and so should all the other people who do not feel at home in their country. But personally I simply do not care what happens in those cases as long as Kosova becomes independent. But if this is what the Serbs are worried about then they should set the lead in the efforts at preventing Kosova from becoming a road sign by putting pressure on their separatist minded brethren in RS so that they don't split from BiH.
Every nation deserves to be free. Kosova Independence has a very specific background that makes it pop up as an Unique Case.
1. Kosova was never part of any Serbia in all its history.
2. Kosova was a Separate Entity, part of the Ottoman Empire until that empire ceased to exist.
3. After the WWII, Kosova was supposed to held a referendum to decide about its fate - never happened because the Cold War "started".
4. Kosova was an Autonomous Province under Serbia, repeat: not part of, but under Serbia, and one of the 8 Constituitive Subjects of Yugoslavia, a state that Now Does Not Exist.
5. The people of Kosova are mostly Albanian (over 95%),who have nothing incommon with slavs and whose main object (for the last 200 years) has been, is, and will be The Independence of Kosova. Their will has been put into referendums more than once so far.
6. The International Community has realized and made clear to everyone that Kosova will not be part of any other state from now on and that the stability of the Balkans will be cemented with the Independence of Kosova.
7. The time is now to cement this forecomming stability.
Well, so CSM keeps mentioning how Kosovo will be a blueprint for separatists everywhere (terrorise locals, have the govt. intervene and call in whatever ...).
Well, that's a gross oversimplification by a pretty reputable newspaper.
For one thing, Kosovars under Rugova tried the peaceful resistance for years and it bought them only more repression by the Milosevic regime. It became pretty obvious that violence was the only language that regime understood. And that's what it got.
The other point is also that Kosovo should serve as a blueprint on how a government SHOULD NOT ACT when faced with separatism. Wholesale brutality against civilians is unacceptable. Serbia is not being punished for trying to put down the KLA, but rather for the methods that it chose to do so, namely medieval practices of "scorched earth tactics" and ethnic cleansing (Ghengis Khan style). If any other minority gets treated that way, then it deserves to break free "International Law" be damned.
50 - that is just for starters. Bosnia is a clear comparision of this not so "unique" Kosovo & Metohija precedent. All other seperatist threats can be just as easily formulated to fit the "model" that the US have created for any other ethnic group to follow.
What would be left of the UK when it is partitioned into it's nation states (given that the UK illegally recognise Kosovo & Metohija they lose all grounds to block an independent Scotland)? What happens then when England is sub-divided just like what is being enforced upon Serbia now?
I guess many Serbs could propose an independent "Ealing'Ar" out of the west London Borough given the large number of ethnic Serbs who live there and others throughout the rest of the UK who could be persuaded to concentrate there and might feel a "threat" and then apply the US model of seperatism. What other ethnic groups could do the same - how many other consequences could this not so "unique" model create where there were none before not just the obvious 50?
Oh what a tangled web we weave, When first we practise to deceive! - Sir Walter Scott
I think reality is starting to sink in about this not so "unique" pandora's box that the US wish to impose on the rest of the world. Back tracking has already begun with talk of posponment of status to 2020 - the US have got themselves into this mess and can hopefully come to their senses before they mess up again - at least they might give themselves 12 more years breathing space.
It is sort of funny how America's enemies and problems today were once considered its allies and partners 20 - 30 years prior, and its allies and partners in the present, usually end up becoming a headache 20 - 30 years down the road.
"But personally I simply do not care what happens in those cases as long as Kosova becomes independent.""
Finally you show your real nature.
So your case is more important than the case of some one else? Well, people like you make this planet an awful place.
Nothing like a self-serving attitude to prove either how clueless you guys are, or just how you have a lack of a global perspective. OLF, you pass yourself as some intelectual but you say things like " I am not familiar with the situation in the mentioned places but if they are in favour of going through what Kosova people went through in past 200 years just for being in their homes and being of a different nationality than let them think again" REALLY? I bet the US would allow Hispanics take a huge part of their country away since you know California, TExas, etc. were taken away by force. GET REAL! You guys are either NAIVE or you believe you are SPECIAL, which the US and its allies are trying to convince the Russians. Just because you gave money for lobbying does not guarantee you anything. I know that doesn't go well in Albanian circles but it is a reality that does happen....you don't get what you paid for.
Hey OLF, let me ask you this question, what happens if the US doesn't back your independence? What then? That question is just as foolish as asking Serbs the same question about Russia.
Less chest-thumping please.....also, sharpen up your geography skills. You might want to learn about these other global hotspots. It requires doing a little googoling or picking up a textbook.....
"Princip Ealing Republic is funny however it is impossible since Russia has no say to what happens in UK. This scenario is no longer being mentioned "
- the fact that you have heard it discussed suggests alot but given there is no mention now doesn't that give a hint that the precedent that the US would enforce upon the world is all the less likely too ?
Oh by the way what historical books and resources are you reading to come up with such a farcical ideas as;
" Falsification of the history by Serbia is finally coming to end"
- you clearly don't appreciate that "kosovo polje" petains to the Serbian language root of Fields of the blackbirds but then Kosov(a) has no relevance in the Albanian language - ah but then world history as far as you are concerned it was all just made up by the world powers in 1912. Go do some real historical research!
Has Kosovo ever existed as an independent state? Was it ever part of Albania?
It is most definitely a province of Serbia, and until Serbia recognises otherwise it will always be a province of Serbia - even if it declares independence it will still be within the boundaries of Serbia.
Kosovo as an independent entity would exist only as long the US is prepared to defend it. There's nothing to say that it won't be reoccupied in 60 years time when the US has bankrupted its self and China is the worlds superpower!
The US should rethink its view - a cooperative Balkans within Europe is what is needed. What is not needed is lots of little counties masquerading as countries.
Questions to Princip:
What would you do in case that even Russia recognises Kosova's Independence?
OLF
Question to OLF
U tell me what u will do when Russia DOESNT recognise ur independence. Please dont say unilateral proclamation because that is a joke. Its going to destroy ur lives for an indefinite number of years and no one in the world will support it. So Serbs win since that gets u no closer to independence. So u let me know what u will do. Crying will not make ur problems go away either. CCCC
In the past 1000000 years Kosovo has never been on its own or a part of albania. They are part of Serbia and the whole world recognized that a mere 8 years ago. So tough luck but ur myths have no substance making them just that... myths.
Why do you discuss with Albanians about history and wast the time. What do you expect to learn from someone who acquired degree in some of the basments all over Kosovo. They have been thought and raised on animosity towards the Serbs. How else their teacher could explain them why they should hate Serbs if not faking the history and facts. The another important fact is that they have been raised to hate Serbs by thier own families. So, what else we could expect from them. Let them live and believe what ever they like and please them.
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