Clean Cut - your points are very clear, but they are all based on cicrcumstance and wishful thinking.
Whether you like it or not, the current fact is that Kosovo remains a province within Serbia, a UN sovereign territory. Everything else is just supposition.
1. Kosova was never part of any Serbia in all its history.
2. Kosova was part of the Ottoman Empire until that empire ceased to exist.
3. After the WWII, Kosova was supposed to held a referendum to decide about its fate - never happened because the Cold War "started".
4. Kosova was an Autonomous Province under Serbia, repeat: not part of, but under Serbia, and one of the 8 Constituive Subjects of Yugoslavia, a state that Now Does Not Exist.
5. The people of Kosova are mostly Albanian (over 95%), whose main object has been, is, and will be The Independence of Kosova. Their will has been put into referendums more than once so far.
6. The International Community has realized and made clear to everyone that Kosova will not be part of any other state from now on and that the stability of the Balkans will be cemented with the Independence of Kosova.
7. The time is now to cement this forecomming stability.
Dardan: "Fortunately for Kosovars, countries that make up the 16K troops in Kosova are on the list of countries that support and will recognize the independence of Kosova. If they do that and Kosovar parliament invites them in, they have the right to stay in there."
Legally Kosovo is not a nation and has no right to invite troops to stay.
Troops cannot fight on the behalf of a separatist seeking province within a sovereign UN nation.
After reading carefully the comments every day in this forum,I would like to explain to Serbian Camp that even if the process for the future of Kosovo will last another 100 years,
Serbian Army will never sat foot in Kosovo again!
Maybe you are thinking that you are winning this one,but why you need a country which you can't control it?!!!
I have tried to be moderate as much as I could,but in this forum you have to be nationalist if you want to be heard!!!
Kosovo is free from Serbia,now we need to finish the paperwork and we know it will take longer then we think!
I'll repeat again:"Kosovo is free from Serbia"!
Because there are various Slavic ethnic groups (Serbs, Croats, Bosniaks, Slovenes, Macedonians and Montenegrins are all distinct Slavic groups) while there is only one Albanian ethnic group. There is no such ethnic group as a Kosovar, so I don't think your argument is the same.
Dardan
All the Spanish and English speaking countries (aside from UK and Spain) are the countries where the original ethnic group lives, the rest are colonies outside of Europe due to colonialism. This does not make them a specific ethnic group.
Same goes for the Arabs, despite the fact that Arabic is the main spoken language does not mean all those countries are ethnically Arabic. Within the Arab world there are Berbers (Morocco), Moors (Mauritania), Egyptians (Egypt), Nubians (Sudan), though your argument holds true to Arabic states in the Middle East, fair enough.
Your German argument is only true in the event of Austria and Germany, because Danes are a separate ethnic Germanic group.
Dardan - Serbia is the legal successor to FR Yugoslavia. A point reiterated many times on these comment pages.
johny - "Why is it ok to have so many slavic states in the Balkans but very very wrong to have two Albanian states in the Balkans?"
Because the slavic states are based on a single ethnicity (apart from B-H) as is Albania. That is the important bit you missed out in your argument!
Dardan - the groups of countries you list are based on language and not ethnicity. Danish might be a Germanic language (and so is English) but try telling a Dane they are the same as a German!
Joe - There was 424,555 Hungarians in present day Vojvodina in 1910. Not 700-800,000.
"Just consider yourself very lucky to lose only 12% of your territory and only 100,000 Serbs, whose rights will be garantued much more than the rights of the Hungarians in Serbia and Romania."
The rights of Serbs in Kosovo have always been "guaranteed". It is how well that guarantee is implemented that counts. As you know the Serbs of Kosovo since 1999 cannot really describe themselves as being "lucky".
With provocative statements you can not accomplish anything in the XXI century.
The current Kosovo or Kosova's Serbian population is just an insignificant 5%.
In 1920 when Hungary lost 75% of her territory Vojvodina had some 700-800,000 and Transylvania about 2,5 million Hungarians. Those percentages were about 40% and not a negligeable 5%. The Hungarians however could not tell the Serbs and the Rumanians that "Lisen this is our land for the last 1000 years, you have your own countries Serbia and Romania, go back to your countries".
Just consider yourself very lucky to lose only 12% of your territory and only 100,000 Serbs, whose rights will be garantued much more than the rights of the Hungarians in Serbia and Romania.
Someone wrote...
Albania already exists. You are just a minority in Serbia.
Like there are Dutch people in France!
You live in Serbia. Accept it. Welcome to Europe!
...
Let's see:
German nations/countries: Germany, Austria, Denmark etc.
Spanish nations/countries: Argentina, Bolivia, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Cuba, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, Equatorial Guinea, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Mexico, Nicaragua, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Spain, Uruguay, Venezuela etc.
English nations/countries: Australia, Canada, the Commonwealth of the Caribbean, Ireland, New Zealand, the United Kingdom and the United States of America etc.
Arabic nations/countries: Algeria, Bahrain, Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Mauritania, Morocco, Oman, Palestinian territories, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Syria, Tunisia, United Arab Emirates, Western Sahara, Yemen etc.
I do not see a problem with another Albanian speaking country...
They would no longer be seen as a protectorate force but as occupying troops and they certainly don't want that status at the moment.
...
Fortunately for Kosovars, countries that make up the 16K troops in Kosova are on the list of countries that support and will recognize the independence of Kosova. If they do that and Kosovar parliament invites them in, they have the right to stay in there.
If Serbian army desires to fight the 16K troops and the 2 million Albanians that will provide the logistical support to these troops, we welcome them with arms wide open.
Remember, NATO bombing did not require a UN resolution in 1999.
The Kurds want their own country too! The Tibetans.
Albania already exists. You are just a minority in Serbia.
Like there are Dutch people in France!
You live in Serbia. Accept it. Welcome to Europe!
(Ron, 4. November 2007 16:49)
This logic is totally flawed. Why is it ok to have so many slavic states in the Balkans but very very wrong to have two Albanian states in the Balkans? I don't see any logical reason why two Albanian states is so wrong and so many slavic states is so right. Why have Austria and Germany, why have Greece and Cyprus, France and Belgium etc etc.? I can give you countless of examples. Your logic makes no sense Ron, and the others that follow him.
If the Kurds and the Tibetians rally the world around them and are able to get in the same phase that we are now then what is the reason for them not having the same state. No reason. What you cannot do however is for other place exploit the blood that we spilled, our suffering for them to gain a better status. This is not all for one and one for all. This is each for its own. We fight for our own independence regardless of what the Kurds, Tibetians etc. want or achieve.
Reading this article makes me foresee the results of these latest talks, just like last time.
Belgrade makes playing Nostradamus very easy for all of us.
I agree with James, these negotiations need to end...we're in the last month, nothing has come out of them other than a complete waste of time, and a declaration and recognition of independence is unavoidable anyway...so yeah, I hope tomorrow is the last date for these failed talks.
Don't waste more fuel to fly these people all over Europe for nothing!
There is no reason to still continue talkes with serbs. Serbs need to understand that we want to have our own country and we are going to. No one can stop us . No one. We live in 21 century. Its our right to decide about our future. We have had enought from them. No more serbs represion will be allowed. Indipendence and now.
Goodness me, where is this going? Belgrade says 1244 and no unilateral independence, Pristina says independence is the only option, and will declare unilaterally.
These talks have achieved nothing and will not, from what I see. It is like two brick walls talking. I see no point anymore because no progress has been made.
it´s very likely that the extremists are threatening with unilateral moves just because they know that this is creating difficulties for a real discussion of the issue.
they are getting nervous, ...and with reason.
remember...the "one and only global superpower" withdrew the issue from the UNSC... that says it all.
can´t wait for december 10th, to see how many great superpowers will finally be there to recognise a toy-republic...
Resolution 1244 all of a sudden became the main propaganda point of all the Serb politicians, from Kostunica and below. So, according to resolution 1244, (all of a sudden followed religiously by Serb leadership) the Kosova Protection Corps must be recognized (by Serbia) as a civilian protection force in Kosova by Serbia. Also, Serbia is obliged to recognize UNMIK issued documents, ID cards, driver licenses and automotive plates since UNMIK is the only legitimate authority in Kosova according to that resolution. It must also endorse the privatization process in Kosova (managed by UNMIK). It must allow the Kosova international code (since the request was made by UNMIK). Kostunica must also hold a press conference and invite all the Kosovar Serbs to participate in the Kosova elections as those are the only legitimate institutions in Kosova.
Do you see any of the above happening anytime soon? I doubt it.
My message to the Serb leadership - read UN Charter as a whole - read Resolution 1244 (that pertains to Yugoslavia and not Serbia) as a whole - do not cut and paste only paragraphs that you like, and ignore everything else that you do not like.
I find it utterly ridiculous that certain elements in the EU and the US are looking for a way to 'work around' the elements of agreed Res. 1244.
Creating the precedence of altering a UN resolution to suit political purposes without going through due process, is perhaps one of the greatest dangers to international law yet.
At a time when the EU is so strict on member countries adhering to its own Charter, how can they possibly justify 'editing' a UN resolution?
The US, Russia and the EU are all aware that Res. 1244 must be respected. What happens if Kosovo declares independence and various countries with troops on the ground recognise it?
They can't remain in place and support independence AND preserve Serbia's sovereignty of the province which is written in bold in 1244. And they can't just leave, but may be asked to by Serbia if they undermine the UN agreement that they themselves made.
They would no longer be seen as a protectorate force but as occupying troops and they certainly don't want that status at the moment.
This would create even more of a mess than already exists!
Jeremic is warning the failure of these "negotiations" with his principles.
Let me remind Jeremic that the Kosovar Albanians PRINCIPLE is the FULL INDEPENDENCE of Kosova from Serbia is UNNEGOTIABLE. Time for a coffee now. You have until the 10th of December to negotiate for the good of both independent countries Kosova and Serbia.
I find it utterly ridiculous that certain elements in the EU and the US are looking for a way to 'work around' the elements of agreed Res. 1244.
Creating the precedence of altering a UN resolution to suit political purposes without going through due process, is perhaps one of the greatest dangers to international law yet.
At a time when the EU is so strict on member countries adhering to its own Charter, how can they possibly justify 'editing' a UN resolution?
The US, Russia and the EU are all aware that Res. 1244 must be respected. What happens if Kosovo declares independence and various countries with troops on the ground recognise it?
They can't remain in place and support independence AND preserve Serbia's sovereignty of the province which is written in bold in 1244. And they can't just leave, but may be asked to by Serbia if they undermine the UN agreement that they themselves made.
They would no longer be seen as a protectorate force but as occupying troops and they certainly don't want that status at the moment.
This would create even more of a mess than already exists!
Resolution 1244 all of a sudden became the main propaganda point of all the Serb politicians, from Kostunica and below. So, according to resolution 1244, (all of a sudden followed religiously by Serb leadership) the Kosova Protection Corps must be recognized (by Serbia) as a civilian protection force in Kosova by Serbia. Also, Serbia is obliged to recognize UNMIK issued documents, ID cards, driver licenses and automotive plates since UNMIK is the only legitimate authority in Kosova according to that resolution. It must also endorse the privatization process in Kosova (managed by UNMIK). It must allow the Kosova international code (since the request was made by UNMIK). Kostunica must also hold a press conference and invite all the Kosovar Serbs to participate in the Kosova elections as those are the only legitimate institutions in Kosova.
Do you see any of the above happening anytime soon? I doubt it.
My message to the Serb leadership - read UN Charter as a whole - read Resolution 1244 (that pertains to Yugoslavia and not Serbia) as a whole - do not cut and paste only paragraphs that you like, and ignore everything else that you do not like.
it´s very likely that the extremists are threatening with unilateral moves just because they know that this is creating difficulties for a real discussion of the issue.
they are getting nervous, ...and with reason.
remember...the "one and only global superpower" withdrew the issue from the UNSC... that says it all.
can´t wait for december 10th, to see how many great superpowers will finally be there to recognise a toy-republic...
Someone wrote...
Albania already exists. You are just a minority in Serbia.
Like there are Dutch people in France!
You live in Serbia. Accept it. Welcome to Europe!
...
Let's see:
German nations/countries: Germany, Austria, Denmark etc.
Spanish nations/countries: Argentina, Bolivia, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Cuba, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, Equatorial Guinea, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Mexico, Nicaragua, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Spain, Uruguay, Venezuela etc.
English nations/countries: Australia, Canada, the Commonwealth of the Caribbean, Ireland, New Zealand, the United Kingdom and the United States of America etc.
Arabic nations/countries: Algeria, Bahrain, Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Mauritania, Morocco, Oman, Palestinian territories, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Syria, Tunisia, United Arab Emirates, Western Sahara, Yemen etc.
I do not see a problem with another Albanian speaking country...
Jeremic is warning the failure of these "negotiations" with his principles.
Let me remind Jeremic that the Kosovar Albanians PRINCIPLE is the FULL INDEPENDENCE of Kosova from Serbia is UNNEGOTIABLE. Time for a coffee now. You have until the 10th of December to negotiate for the good of both independent countries Kosova and Serbia.
There is no reason to still continue talkes with serbs. Serbs need to understand that we want to have our own country and we are going to. No one can stop us . No one. We live in 21 century. Its our right to decide about our future. We have had enought from them. No more serbs represion will be allowed. Indipendence and now.
The Kurds want their own country too! The Tibetans.
Albania already exists. You are just a minority in Serbia.
Like there are Dutch people in France!
You live in Serbia. Accept it. Welcome to Europe!
(Ron, 4. November 2007 16:49)
This logic is totally flawed. Why is it ok to have so many slavic states in the Balkans but very very wrong to have two Albanian states in the Balkans? I don't see any logical reason why two Albanian states is so wrong and so many slavic states is so right. Why have Austria and Germany, why have Greece and Cyprus, France and Belgium etc etc.? I can give you countless of examples. Your logic makes no sense Ron, and the others that follow him.
If the Kurds and the Tibetians rally the world around them and are able to get in the same phase that we are now then what is the reason for them not having the same state. No reason. What you cannot do however is for other place exploit the blood that we spilled, our suffering for them to gain a better status. This is not all for one and one for all. This is each for its own. We fight for our own independence regardless of what the Kurds, Tibetians etc. want or achieve.
Because there are various Slavic ethnic groups (Serbs, Croats, Bosniaks, Slovenes, Macedonians and Montenegrins are all distinct Slavic groups) while there is only one Albanian ethnic group. There is no such ethnic group as a Kosovar, so I don't think your argument is the same.
Dardan
All the Spanish and English speaking countries (aside from UK and Spain) are the countries where the original ethnic group lives, the rest are colonies outside of Europe due to colonialism. This does not make them a specific ethnic group.
Same goes for the Arabs, despite the fact that Arabic is the main spoken language does not mean all those countries are ethnically Arabic. Within the Arab world there are Berbers (Morocco), Moors (Mauritania), Egyptians (Egypt), Nubians (Sudan), though your argument holds true to Arabic states in the Middle East, fair enough.
Your German argument is only true in the event of Austria and Germany, because Danes are a separate ethnic Germanic group.
Dardan - Serbia is the legal successor to FR Yugoslavia. A point reiterated many times on these comment pages.
johny - "Why is it ok to have so many slavic states in the Balkans but very very wrong to have two Albanian states in the Balkans?"
Because the slavic states are based on a single ethnicity (apart from B-H) as is Albania. That is the important bit you missed out in your argument!
Dardan - the groups of countries you list are based on language and not ethnicity. Danish might be a Germanic language (and so is English) but try telling a Dane they are the same as a German!
Joe - There was 424,555 Hungarians in present day Vojvodina in 1910. Not 700-800,000.
"Just consider yourself very lucky to lose only 12% of your territory and only 100,000 Serbs, whose rights will be garantued much more than the rights of the Hungarians in Serbia and Romania."
The rights of Serbs in Kosovo have always been "guaranteed". It is how well that guarantee is implemented that counts. As you know the Serbs of Kosovo since 1999 cannot really describe themselves as being "lucky".
They would no longer be seen as a protectorate force but as occupying troops and they certainly don't want that status at the moment.
...
Fortunately for Kosovars, countries that make up the 16K troops in Kosova are on the list of countries that support and will recognize the independence of Kosova. If they do that and Kosovar parliament invites them in, they have the right to stay in there.
If Serbian army desires to fight the 16K troops and the 2 million Albanians that will provide the logistical support to these troops, we welcome them with arms wide open.
Remember, NATO bombing did not require a UN resolution in 1999.
With provocative statements you can not accomplish anything in the XXI century.
The current Kosovo or Kosova's Serbian population is just an insignificant 5%.
In 1920 when Hungary lost 75% of her territory Vojvodina had some 700-800,000 and Transylvania about 2,5 million Hungarians. Those percentages were about 40% and not a negligeable 5%. The Hungarians however could not tell the Serbs and the Rumanians that "Lisen this is our land for the last 1000 years, you have your own countries Serbia and Romania, go back to your countries".
Just consider yourself very lucky to lose only 12% of your territory and only 100,000 Serbs, whose rights will be garantued much more than the rights of the Hungarians in Serbia and Romania.
Dardan: "Fortunately for Kosovars, countries that make up the 16K troops in Kosova are on the list of countries that support and will recognize the independence of Kosova. If they do that and Kosovar parliament invites them in, they have the right to stay in there."
Legally Kosovo is not a nation and has no right to invite troops to stay.
Troops cannot fight on the behalf of a separatist seeking province within a sovereign UN nation.
1. Kosova was never part of any Serbia in all its history.
2. Kosova was part of the Ottoman Empire until that empire ceased to exist.
3. After the WWII, Kosova was supposed to held a referendum to decide about its fate - never happened because the Cold War "started".
4. Kosova was an Autonomous Province under Serbia, repeat: not part of, but under Serbia, and one of the 8 Constituive Subjects of Yugoslavia, a state that Now Does Not Exist.
5. The people of Kosova are mostly Albanian (over 95%), whose main object has been, is, and will be The Independence of Kosova. Their will has been put into referendums more than once so far.
6. The International Community has realized and made clear to everyone that Kosova will not be part of any other state from now on and that the stability of the Balkans will be cemented with the Independence of Kosova.
7. The time is now to cement this forecomming stability.
After reading carefully the comments every day in this forum,I would like to explain to Serbian Camp that even if the process for the future of Kosovo will last another 100 years,
Serbian Army will never sat foot in Kosovo again!
Maybe you are thinking that you are winning this one,but why you need a country which you can't control it?!!!
I have tried to be moderate as much as I could,but in this forum you have to be nationalist if you want to be heard!!!
Kosovo is free from Serbia,now we need to finish the paperwork and we know it will take longer then we think!
I'll repeat again:"Kosovo is free from Serbia"!
Clean Cut - your points are very clear, but they are all based on cicrcumstance and wishful thinking.
Whether you like it or not, the current fact is that Kosovo remains a province within Serbia, a UN sovereign territory. Everything else is just supposition.
Goodness me, where is this going? Belgrade says 1244 and no unilateral independence, Pristina says independence is the only option, and will declare unilaterally.
These talks have achieved nothing and will not, from what I see. It is like two brick walls talking. I see no point anymore because no progress has been made.
Reading this article makes me foresee the results of these latest talks, just like last time.
Belgrade makes playing Nostradamus very easy for all of us.
I agree with James, these negotiations need to end...we're in the last month, nothing has come out of them other than a complete waste of time, and a declaration and recognition of independence is unavoidable anyway...so yeah, I hope tomorrow is the last date for these failed talks.
Don't waste more fuel to fly these people all over Europe for nothing!
Resolution 1244 all of a sudden became the main propaganda point of all the Serb politicians, from Kostunica and below. So, according to resolution 1244, (all of a sudden followed religiously by Serb leadership) the Kosova Protection Corps must be recognized (by Serbia) as a civilian protection force in Kosova by Serbia. Also, Serbia is obliged to recognize UNMIK issued documents, ID cards, driver licenses and automotive plates since UNMIK is the only legitimate authority in Kosova according to that resolution. It must also endorse the privatization process in Kosova (managed by UNMIK). It must allow the Kosova international code (since the request was made by UNMIK). Kostunica must also hold a press conference and invite all the Kosovar Serbs to participate in the Kosova elections as those are the only legitimate institutions in Kosova.
Do you see any of the above happening anytime soon? I doubt it.
My message to the Serb leadership - read UN Charter as a whole - read Resolution 1244 (that pertains to Yugoslavia and not Serbia) as a whole - do not cut and paste only paragraphs that you like, and ignore everything else that you do not like.
There is no reason to still continue talkes with serbs. Serbs need to understand that we want to have our own country and we are going to. No one can stop us . No one. We live in 21 century. Its our right to decide about our future. We have had enought from them. No more serbs represion will be allowed. Indipendence and now.
Jeremic is warning the failure of these "negotiations" with his principles.
Let me remind Jeremic that the Kosovar Albanians PRINCIPLE is the FULL INDEPENDENCE of Kosova from Serbia is UNNEGOTIABLE. Time for a coffee now. You have until the 10th of December to negotiate for the good of both independent countries Kosova and Serbia.
With provocative statements you can not accomplish anything in the XXI century.
The current Kosovo or Kosova's Serbian population is just an insignificant 5%.
In 1920 when Hungary lost 75% of her territory Vojvodina had some 700-800,000 and Transylvania about 2,5 million Hungarians. Those percentages were about 40% and not a negligeable 5%. The Hungarians however could not tell the Serbs and the Rumanians that "Lisen this is our land for the last 1000 years, you have your own countries Serbia and Romania, go back to your countries".
Just consider yourself very lucky to lose only 12% of your territory and only 100,000 Serbs, whose rights will be garantued much more than the rights of the Hungarians in Serbia and Romania.
The Kurds want their own country too! The Tibetans.
Albania already exists. You are just a minority in Serbia.
Like there are Dutch people in France!
You live in Serbia. Accept it. Welcome to Europe!
(Ron, 4. November 2007 16:49)
This logic is totally flawed. Why is it ok to have so many slavic states in the Balkans but very very wrong to have two Albanian states in the Balkans? I don't see any logical reason why two Albanian states is so wrong and so many slavic states is so right. Why have Austria and Germany, why have Greece and Cyprus, France and Belgium etc etc.? I can give you countless of examples. Your logic makes no sense Ron, and the others that follow him.
If the Kurds and the Tibetians rally the world around them and are able to get in the same phase that we are now then what is the reason for them not having the same state. No reason. What you cannot do however is for other place exploit the blood that we spilled, our suffering for them to gain a better status. This is not all for one and one for all. This is each for its own. We fight for our own independence regardless of what the Kurds, Tibetians etc. want or achieve.
Someone wrote...
Albania already exists. You are just a minority in Serbia.
Like there are Dutch people in France!
You live in Serbia. Accept it. Welcome to Europe!
...
Let's see:
German nations/countries: Germany, Austria, Denmark etc.
Spanish nations/countries: Argentina, Bolivia, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Cuba, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, Equatorial Guinea, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Mexico, Nicaragua, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Spain, Uruguay, Venezuela etc.
English nations/countries: Australia, Canada, the Commonwealth of the Caribbean, Ireland, New Zealand, the United Kingdom and the United States of America etc.
Arabic nations/countries: Algeria, Bahrain, Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Mauritania, Morocco, Oman, Palestinian territories, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Syria, Tunisia, United Arab Emirates, Western Sahara, Yemen etc.
I do not see a problem with another Albanian speaking country...
They would no longer be seen as a protectorate force but as occupying troops and they certainly don't want that status at the moment.
...
Fortunately for Kosovars, countries that make up the 16K troops in Kosova are on the list of countries that support and will recognize the independence of Kosova. If they do that and Kosovar parliament invites them in, they have the right to stay in there.
If Serbian army desires to fight the 16K troops and the 2 million Albanians that will provide the logistical support to these troops, we welcome them with arms wide open.
Remember, NATO bombing did not require a UN resolution in 1999.
After reading carefully the comments every day in this forum,I would like to explain to Serbian Camp that even if the process for the future of Kosovo will last another 100 years,
Serbian Army will never sat foot in Kosovo again!
Maybe you are thinking that you are winning this one,but why you need a country which you can't control it?!!!
I have tried to be moderate as much as I could,but in this forum you have to be nationalist if you want to be heard!!!
Kosovo is free from Serbia,now we need to finish the paperwork and we know it will take longer then we think!
I'll repeat again:"Kosovo is free from Serbia"!
1. Kosova was never part of any Serbia in all its history.
2. Kosova was part of the Ottoman Empire until that empire ceased to exist.
3. After the WWII, Kosova was supposed to held a referendum to decide about its fate - never happened because the Cold War "started".
4. Kosova was an Autonomous Province under Serbia, repeat: not part of, but under Serbia, and one of the 8 Constituive Subjects of Yugoslavia, a state that Now Does Not Exist.
5. The people of Kosova are mostly Albanian (over 95%), whose main object has been, is, and will be The Independence of Kosova. Their will has been put into referendums more than once so far.
6. The International Community has realized and made clear to everyone that Kosova will not be part of any other state from now on and that the stability of the Balkans will be cemented with the Independence of Kosova.
7. The time is now to cement this forecomming stability.
I find it utterly ridiculous that certain elements in the EU and the US are looking for a way to 'work around' the elements of agreed Res. 1244.
Creating the precedence of altering a UN resolution to suit political purposes without going through due process, is perhaps one of the greatest dangers to international law yet.
At a time when the EU is so strict on member countries adhering to its own Charter, how can they possibly justify 'editing' a UN resolution?
The US, Russia and the EU are all aware that Res. 1244 must be respected. What happens if Kosovo declares independence and various countries with troops on the ground recognise it?
They can't remain in place and support independence AND preserve Serbia's sovereignty of the province which is written in bold in 1244. And they can't just leave, but may be asked to by Serbia if they undermine the UN agreement that they themselves made.
They would no longer be seen as a protectorate force but as occupying troops and they certainly don't want that status at the moment.
This would create even more of a mess than already exists!
Reading this article makes me foresee the results of these latest talks, just like last time.
Belgrade makes playing Nostradamus very easy for all of us.
I agree with James, these negotiations need to end...we're in the last month, nothing has come out of them other than a complete waste of time, and a declaration and recognition of independence is unavoidable anyway...so yeah, I hope tomorrow is the last date for these failed talks.
Don't waste more fuel to fly these people all over Europe for nothing!
Dardan: "Fortunately for Kosovars, countries that make up the 16K troops in Kosova are on the list of countries that support and will recognize the independence of Kosova. If they do that and Kosovar parliament invites them in, they have the right to stay in there."
Legally Kosovo is not a nation and has no right to invite troops to stay.
Troops cannot fight on the behalf of a separatist seeking province within a sovereign UN nation.
it´s very likely that the extremists are threatening with unilateral moves just because they know that this is creating difficulties for a real discussion of the issue.
they are getting nervous, ...and with reason.
remember...the "one and only global superpower" withdrew the issue from the UNSC... that says it all.
can´t wait for december 10th, to see how many great superpowers will finally be there to recognise a toy-republic...
Goodness me, where is this going? Belgrade says 1244 and no unilateral independence, Pristina says independence is the only option, and will declare unilaterally.
These talks have achieved nothing and will not, from what I see. It is like two brick walls talking. I see no point anymore because no progress has been made.
Because there are various Slavic ethnic groups (Serbs, Croats, Bosniaks, Slovenes, Macedonians and Montenegrins are all distinct Slavic groups) while there is only one Albanian ethnic group. There is no such ethnic group as a Kosovar, so I don't think your argument is the same.
Dardan
All the Spanish and English speaking countries (aside from UK and Spain) are the countries where the original ethnic group lives, the rest are colonies outside of Europe due to colonialism. This does not make them a specific ethnic group.
Same goes for the Arabs, despite the fact that Arabic is the main spoken language does not mean all those countries are ethnically Arabic. Within the Arab world there are Berbers (Morocco), Moors (Mauritania), Egyptians (Egypt), Nubians (Sudan), though your argument holds true to Arabic states in the Middle East, fair enough.
Your German argument is only true in the event of Austria and Germany, because Danes are a separate ethnic Germanic group.
Dardan - Serbia is the legal successor to FR Yugoslavia. A point reiterated many times on these comment pages.
johny - "Why is it ok to have so many slavic states in the Balkans but very very wrong to have two Albanian states in the Balkans?"
Because the slavic states are based on a single ethnicity (apart from B-H) as is Albania. That is the important bit you missed out in your argument!
Dardan - the groups of countries you list are based on language and not ethnicity. Danish might be a Germanic language (and so is English) but try telling a Dane they are the same as a German!
Joe - There was 424,555 Hungarians in present day Vojvodina in 1910. Not 700-800,000.
"Just consider yourself very lucky to lose only 12% of your territory and only 100,000 Serbs, whose rights will be garantued much more than the rights of the Hungarians in Serbia and Romania."
The rights of Serbs in Kosovo have always been "guaranteed". It is how well that guarantee is implemented that counts. As you know the Serbs of Kosovo since 1999 cannot really describe themselves as being "lucky".
Clean Cut - your points are very clear, but they are all based on cicrcumstance and wishful thinking.
Whether you like it or not, the current fact is that Kosovo remains a province within Serbia, a UN sovereign territory. Everything else is just supposition.
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