I have read in the past some of your comments with respect though I didn't agree in few things. Like this one for example
"This seems to confirm my earlier suspicions that Kosovo will be basically an EU mandate, de facto independent from Serbia, but probably remaining de jure within Serbia's boundaries, albeit in an INCREDIBLE SYMBOLIC FASHION.
What does "in an incredible symbolic fashion" means Mike? You are not having a laugh aren't you? Let's be CREDIBLE my friend. Are you expecting two million Kosovar Albanians to be Serbian citizens again? Let's be credible Mike with arguments we lay down.
"EU mission is fine. As long as Kosovo stays a Serbian province", said Ron.
I don't know where you from ron but your wishes will not come true because as you can see Serbia has not had any sovregnity over Kosova since June 1999 and never will. You can call Kosova a province or a borough it does not matter, what it matters that Serbian boot will never walk Kosova land.
“He who has the most money wins!!!
He who will supply jobs wins!!
He who can buy out properties wins!!
Economic stability.
This is how things will get dictated in the future..
That is all fine and dandy but that is why Kosova/o wants its own state and to run its own affairs so they can keep all the proceedings (money) from whatever economical activity they have.
“Without sounding like George Orwell...the Balkans are in the midst of being aquired by Western investments, and the seeds for future cheap labour are being planted.. “
That is a step in a good direction, thanks to Serbian policy of wars and ethnic cleansing most of the former Yugoslavia was left in economic ruins, after Mr. Miloshevic and his murderous CRONIES took away US $23 billion from the Yugoslavian national Bank, then started the wars to hide the robbery of the century.
“People are chasing their tails with the independence debate, and are missing the bigger picture.... “
Sooner the Independence, better for all of us.
I expect one more thing, and that is, RS in Bosnia should comply with the treaty of Dayton, and I also think that Koshtunica should not interfere with another country’s internal affairs.
I think the Western Countrie will smack his efforts early so he can go back in his burrow.
If the UN leaves, then anybody can send a mission into Kosovo, the EU, Russia and even Serbia. They are going to have to re-think that idea. The only organization that brings any legitimacy to the Kosovo occupation is the UN. It is funny to watch how these Western media sources (like B92) try to spin their nonsense.
Yeah, I'd say that the most likely scenario is that EU countries individually recognize independence, but EU as a whole also recognizes it...with the opposers of independence abstaining from a veto.
That way the invitation for the EU mission would make much more sense, otherwise why would Kosovo allow in it's territory an entity that doesn't recognize it's existence as a state? It would be like letting Serbia in.
I really think the small opposers and a constructive Spain will abstain from vetoing EU's recognition of Kosovo, in an attempt to keep EU united...while also not giving their own personal OK as individual countries.
Serbia does not have enough pull for an EU country to actually use a VETO and sacrifice the entire EU fragile unity, just to help a non-EU country with a non-so-perfect reputation.
It would be Kostunica's biggest dream, but why would a country of EU, hurt EU by causing such a foreign policy split, just to help Serbia? It's like taking the food out of your own home that is barely keeping it together, and feeding the neighborhood stray dog.
This seems to confirm my earlier suspicions that Kosovo will be basically an EU mandate, de facto independent from Serbia, but probably remaining de jure within Serbia's boundaries, albeit in an incredibly symbolic fashion. If the EU came in December 11, and said "OK guys, we're taking over now" something tells me most Serbs wouldn't object.
Besides, once the rest of the Balkans get in the EU, all this talk of boundaries will be meaningless and Serbs and Albanians can travel where they please.
Kosova is de facto independent since 8 years. It will be de jure independent in a few weeks and everyone will be happy that all this mess ended without anymore bloodshed. The only people not happy about this would be some politicians in Belgrade who want the status quo to stay forever, so they can suck on Serbias teets for as long as they live.
Lazer wrote:
"I think that Kosova/o will never be under Serbian sovereignity again."
I have a bit of a problem with posters claiming that Serbia won't rule Kosovo again..
Only due to the fact, that....well, nobody rules anybody anymore...Really..
The concept of a centralized state is getting to be less economically feasable, and decentralization is the name of the game..
And this is not due to your nationality, but rather MORESO with economics...
I mean, everything is so decentralized, that the concept of "Serbs ruling over Albanians" seems medieval..
He who has the most money wins!!!
He who will supply jobs wins!!
He who can buy out properties wins!!
Economic stability.
This is how things will get dictated in the future..
Without sounding like George Orwell...the Balkans are in the midst of being aquired by Western investments, and the seeds for future cheap labour are being planted..
The whole independence thing will fall through those unseeming cracks..
People are chasing their tails with the independence debate, and are missing the bigger picture....
It's like the saying goes.."We can't the forest through the trees"...
they tell this nonsense for 1,5 years now, and still no one cares. putin probably still loughs about the clown-performance.
but don´t get me wrong, i would love to see nato leaving, and an illegal eu-occupation with all of 1800 cops following.
but, let´s stay outside the western world (also known as reality): due to the genetics-science we will probably really see flying pigs before we see that!
Read this Reuters article:
"A declaration of independence without a new U.N. resolution would leave Kosovo under U.N. Security Council Resolution 1244, which affirms the sovereignty of the then Yugoslavia, to which Serbia is the successor state.
But diplomats say Western capitals are working on a way around the document, to allow the EU to deploy a 1,800-strong police mission and for individual countries -- led by the United States, Britain and France -- to recognize the new state."
I think that Kosova/o will never be under Serbian sovereignity again. Its gonna be written in STONE.
What does it take for pro-Serbian posters to realize that Kosova/o issue is finished, dead as far as staying within Serbia???
Read this Reuters article:
"A declaration of independence without a new U.N. resolution would leave Kosovo under U.N. Security Council Resolution 1244, which affirms the sovereignty of the then Yugoslavia, to which Serbia is the successor state.
But diplomats say Western capitals are working on a way around the document, to allow the EU to deploy a 1,800-strong police mission and for individual countries -- led by the United States, Britain and France -- to recognize the new state."
I think that Kosova/o will never be under Serbian sovereignity again. Its gonna be written in STONE.
What does it take for pro-Serbian posters to realize that Kosova/o issue is finished, dead as far as staying within Serbia???
they tell this nonsense for 1,5 years now, and still no one cares. putin probably still loughs about the clown-performance.
but don´t get me wrong, i would love to see nato leaving, and an illegal eu-occupation with all of 1800 cops following.
but, let´s stay outside the western world (also known as reality): due to the genetics-science we will probably really see flying pigs before we see that!
I have read in the past some of your comments with respect though I didn't agree in few things. Like this one for example
"This seems to confirm my earlier suspicions that Kosovo will be basically an EU mandate, de facto independent from Serbia, but probably remaining de jure within Serbia's boundaries, albeit in an INCREDIBLE SYMBOLIC FASHION.
What does "in an incredible symbolic fashion" means Mike? You are not having a laugh aren't you? Let's be CREDIBLE my friend. Are you expecting two million Kosovar Albanians to be Serbian citizens again? Let's be credible Mike with arguments we lay down.
Lazer wrote:
"I think that Kosova/o will never be under Serbian sovereignity again."
I have a bit of a problem with posters claiming that Serbia won't rule Kosovo again..
Only due to the fact, that....well, nobody rules anybody anymore...Really..
The concept of a centralized state is getting to be less economically feasable, and decentralization is the name of the game..
And this is not due to your nationality, but rather MORESO with economics...
I mean, everything is so decentralized, that the concept of "Serbs ruling over Albanians" seems medieval..
He who has the most money wins!!!
He who will supply jobs wins!!
He who can buy out properties wins!!
Economic stability.
This is how things will get dictated in the future..
Without sounding like George Orwell...the Balkans are in the midst of being aquired by Western investments, and the seeds for future cheap labour are being planted..
The whole independence thing will fall through those unseeming cracks..
People are chasing their tails with the independence debate, and are missing the bigger picture....
It's like the saying goes.."We can't the forest through the trees"...
Kosova is de facto independent since 8 years. It will be de jure independent in a few weeks and everyone will be happy that all this mess ended without anymore bloodshed. The only people not happy about this would be some politicians in Belgrade who want the status quo to stay forever, so they can suck on Serbias teets for as long as they live.
"EU mission is fine. As long as Kosovo stays a Serbian province", said Ron.
I don't know where you from ron but your wishes will not come true because as you can see Serbia has not had any sovregnity over Kosova since June 1999 and never will. You can call Kosova a province or a borough it does not matter, what it matters that Serbian boot will never walk Kosova land.
Yeah, I'd say that the most likely scenario is that EU countries individually recognize independence, but EU as a whole also recognizes it...with the opposers of independence abstaining from a veto.
That way the invitation for the EU mission would make much more sense, otherwise why would Kosovo allow in it's territory an entity that doesn't recognize it's existence as a state? It would be like letting Serbia in.
I really think the small opposers and a constructive Spain will abstain from vetoing EU's recognition of Kosovo, in an attempt to keep EU united...while also not giving their own personal OK as individual countries.
Serbia does not have enough pull for an EU country to actually use a VETO and sacrifice the entire EU fragile unity, just to help a non-EU country with a non-so-perfect reputation.
It would be Kostunica's biggest dream, but why would a country of EU, hurt EU by causing such a foreign policy split, just to help Serbia? It's like taking the food out of your own home that is barely keeping it together, and feeding the neighborhood stray dog.
“He who has the most money wins!!!
He who will supply jobs wins!!
He who can buy out properties wins!!
Economic stability.
This is how things will get dictated in the future..
That is all fine and dandy but that is why Kosova/o wants its own state and to run its own affairs so they can keep all the proceedings (money) from whatever economical activity they have.
“Without sounding like George Orwell...the Balkans are in the midst of being aquired by Western investments, and the seeds for future cheap labour are being planted.. “
That is a step in a good direction, thanks to Serbian policy of wars and ethnic cleansing most of the former Yugoslavia was left in economic ruins, after Mr. Miloshevic and his murderous CRONIES took away US $23 billion from the Yugoslavian national Bank, then started the wars to hide the robbery of the century.
“People are chasing their tails with the independence debate, and are missing the bigger picture.... “
Sooner the Independence, better for all of us.
I expect one more thing, and that is, RS in Bosnia should comply with the treaty of Dayton, and I also think that Koshtunica should not interfere with another country’s internal affairs.
I think the Western Countrie will smack his efforts early so he can go back in his burrow.
If the UN leaves, then anybody can send a mission into Kosovo, the EU, Russia and even Serbia. They are going to have to re-think that idea. The only organization that brings any legitimacy to the Kosovo occupation is the UN. It is funny to watch how these Western media sources (like B92) try to spin their nonsense.
This seems to confirm my earlier suspicions that Kosovo will be basically an EU mandate, de facto independent from Serbia, but probably remaining de jure within Serbia's boundaries, albeit in an incredibly symbolic fashion. If the EU came in December 11, and said "OK guys, we're taking over now" something tells me most Serbs wouldn't object.
Besides, once the rest of the Balkans get in the EU, all this talk of boundaries will be meaningless and Serbs and Albanians can travel where they please.
Read this Reuters article:
"A declaration of independence without a new U.N. resolution would leave Kosovo under U.N. Security Council Resolution 1244, which affirms the sovereignty of the then Yugoslavia, to which Serbia is the successor state.
But diplomats say Western capitals are working on a way around the document, to allow the EU to deploy a 1,800-strong police mission and for individual countries -- led by the United States, Britain and France -- to recognize the new state."
I think that Kosova/o will never be under Serbian sovereignity again. Its gonna be written in STONE.
What does it take for pro-Serbian posters to realize that Kosova/o issue is finished, dead as far as staying within Serbia???
they tell this nonsense for 1,5 years now, and still no one cares. putin probably still loughs about the clown-performance.
but don´t get me wrong, i would love to see nato leaving, and an illegal eu-occupation with all of 1800 cops following.
but, let´s stay outside the western world (also known as reality): due to the genetics-science we will probably really see flying pigs before we see that!
Lazer wrote:
"I think that Kosova/o will never be under Serbian sovereignity again."
I have a bit of a problem with posters claiming that Serbia won't rule Kosovo again..
Only due to the fact, that....well, nobody rules anybody anymore...Really..
The concept of a centralized state is getting to be less economically feasable, and decentralization is the name of the game..
And this is not due to your nationality, but rather MORESO with economics...
I mean, everything is so decentralized, that the concept of "Serbs ruling over Albanians" seems medieval..
He who has the most money wins!!!
He who will supply jobs wins!!
He who can buy out properties wins!!
Economic stability.
This is how things will get dictated in the future..
Without sounding like George Orwell...the Balkans are in the midst of being aquired by Western investments, and the seeds for future cheap labour are being planted..
The whole independence thing will fall through those unseeming cracks..
People are chasing their tails with the independence debate, and are missing the bigger picture....
It's like the saying goes.."We can't the forest through the trees"...
Kosova is de facto independent since 8 years. It will be de jure independent in a few weeks and everyone will be happy that all this mess ended without anymore bloodshed. The only people not happy about this would be some politicians in Belgrade who want the status quo to stay forever, so they can suck on Serbias teets for as long as they live.
This seems to confirm my earlier suspicions that Kosovo will be basically an EU mandate, de facto independent from Serbia, but probably remaining de jure within Serbia's boundaries, albeit in an incredibly symbolic fashion. If the EU came in December 11, and said "OK guys, we're taking over now" something tells me most Serbs wouldn't object.
Besides, once the rest of the Balkans get in the EU, all this talk of boundaries will be meaningless and Serbs and Albanians can travel where they please.
Yeah, I'd say that the most likely scenario is that EU countries individually recognize independence, but EU as a whole also recognizes it...with the opposers of independence abstaining from a veto.
That way the invitation for the EU mission would make much more sense, otherwise why would Kosovo allow in it's territory an entity that doesn't recognize it's existence as a state? It would be like letting Serbia in.
I really think the small opposers and a constructive Spain will abstain from vetoing EU's recognition of Kosovo, in an attempt to keep EU united...while also not giving their own personal OK as individual countries.
Serbia does not have enough pull for an EU country to actually use a VETO and sacrifice the entire EU fragile unity, just to help a non-EU country with a non-so-perfect reputation.
It would be Kostunica's biggest dream, but why would a country of EU, hurt EU by causing such a foreign policy split, just to help Serbia? It's like taking the food out of your own home that is barely keeping it together, and feeding the neighborhood stray dog.
If the UN leaves, then anybody can send a mission into Kosovo, the EU, Russia and even Serbia. They are going to have to re-think that idea. The only organization that brings any legitimacy to the Kosovo occupation is the UN. It is funny to watch how these Western media sources (like B92) try to spin their nonsense.
"EU mission is fine. As long as Kosovo stays a Serbian province", said Ron.
I don't know where you from ron but your wishes will not come true because as you can see Serbia has not had any sovregnity over Kosova since June 1999 and never will. You can call Kosova a province or a borough it does not matter, what it matters that Serbian boot will never walk Kosova land.
“He who has the most money wins!!!
He who will supply jobs wins!!
He who can buy out properties wins!!
Economic stability.
This is how things will get dictated in the future..
That is all fine and dandy but that is why Kosova/o wants its own state and to run its own affairs so they can keep all the proceedings (money) from whatever economical activity they have.
“Without sounding like George Orwell...the Balkans are in the midst of being aquired by Western investments, and the seeds for future cheap labour are being planted.. “
That is a step in a good direction, thanks to Serbian policy of wars and ethnic cleansing most of the former Yugoslavia was left in economic ruins, after Mr. Miloshevic and his murderous CRONIES took away US $23 billion from the Yugoslavian national Bank, then started the wars to hide the robbery of the century.
“People are chasing their tails with the independence debate, and are missing the bigger picture.... “
Sooner the Independence, better for all of us.
I expect one more thing, and that is, RS in Bosnia should comply with the treaty of Dayton, and I also think that Koshtunica should not interfere with another country’s internal affairs.
I think the Western Countrie will smack his efforts early so he can go back in his burrow.
I have read in the past some of your comments with respect though I didn't agree in few things. Like this one for example
"This seems to confirm my earlier suspicions that Kosovo will be basically an EU mandate, de facto independent from Serbia, but probably remaining de jure within Serbia's boundaries, albeit in an INCREDIBLE SYMBOLIC FASHION.
What does "in an incredible symbolic fashion" means Mike? You are not having a laugh aren't you? Let's be CREDIBLE my friend. Are you expecting two million Kosovar Albanians to be Serbian citizens again? Let's be credible Mike with arguments we lay down.
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