“Troika views don’t always reflect Moscow’s”

Alekseyev's words, “Serbia can rest assured that we will not accept any solution that goes against our stance. Of that, there can be no doubt,” he said.
This is music to my ears.
I have not heard Americans making similar statements to the albanians. In fact, the Americans are being ominously quiet these days. I wonder why?

lili,

maybe it will happen, but just maybe, in the "twilight zone."

ok,that serbia and russia will not reconnize the independence of kosovo is not surprising!
that does not mean that independence can not happen,

Dragan, nice that you like this music, soon you have to change the CD.

Like I said many many times

along with China and Russia comes a BIG sphere of influence in the world. Meaning If China and Russia will not recognize it.. most countries in Asia will not recognize it... most countries in Leftist Latin America will NOT recognize it... peaceful countries who do not meddle in politics in Africa will not recognize it

and not members of the EU will not recognize it..

the highest Kosovo will be recognized is Northern Cyprus status and nothing more


THANK YOU PUTIN

Alekseyev's words, “Serbia can rest assured that we will not accept any solution that goes against our stance. Of that, there can be no doubt,” he said.
This is music to my ears.
I have not heard Americans making similar statements to the albanians. In fact, the Americans are being ominously quiet these days. I wonder why?
(Dragan, 2. November 2007 12:12)

Well Dragan personally i like more the one who bites instead of someone that just barks!

But Troika is supposed to bring closer the statements of all involved parties, and if there are not serious intentions and commitments of certain members of Troika I don't see why this Troika is loosing time... Anyway, there is not much time left and Kosovo does not has much time for waiting.
As for statements of USA - they are still not clear for somebody?!
Good luck Kosovo on your own way...

@ dragan

come on man, be fair! the us said everything (that´s why they afterwards won´t be liars) and currently is giving to the pristinars a new word of honor: in round-about 12 years! ;-) this time really!

that´s the "superpower" that bites!

Russia is pretending that they are stakeholders in process, but very soon decision will be from real owner.

EA,

If you wanted independence why did you ever accept 1244.

By the way now on Dutch television. Darfur: 200.000 deaths. 2 MILLION refugees.

We do nothing. And for Kosovo we would breach international law. No way!!!

I have not heard Americans making similar statements to the albanians. In fact, the Americans are being ominously quiet these days. I wonder why?
(Dragan, 2. November 2007 12:12)

You must be deaf.

http://fpc.state.gov/fpc/82674.htm
http://usinfo.state.gov/xarchives/display.html?p=washfile-english&y=2007&m=April&x=20070425171811MVyelwarC0.8978083

Few of many links.

It is sad to see that some states support the independence of Kosovo when it is the legal territory of Serbia.

It is not alright that people who live in Kosovo are spreading organized crime throughout Europe.

We need to ask ourselves, do we really want a GREATER ALBANIA?

International rights are suppose to protect original borders of states.

Serbians and Albanians should work diplomatically together. However, Albanians should understand that just because NATO helped them during the war in 1999 does not mean that they have the right to do whatever they want such as burn and destroy Serbian churches and to steal Serbian peoples homes.

Politics is a dirty game. I sure hope that the educated politicians will step up their game in Serbia through diplomacy because this indepence question is a joke.

Sure Serbia has gone through much horror with so many wars. I do not want to see another one.

At the same time, we all need to fight against international terrorism that is spreading from the KLA from the Albanian side within Kosovo.

Terror is not freedom and anyone who accepts it does not support FREEDOM, LIBERTY AND DEMOCRACY.

"Serbia can rest assured that we will not accept any solution that goes against our stance. Of that, there can be no doubt,” he said.
To the Serbian panel I would like to say to "sleep well" until the 10th of December because these "negotiations" are a waste of time.

1# Dragane, you know why...

The americans are quiet because they have more important things than Kosovo-Metohija to think about now.

I'll bet 100 euro that they are busy these days to draw out the plans to start a new war against Iran during the next year, President Bush´s last as a president... And then leave the mess to the next democratic party president.

If I were albanian I wouldnt put to much hope at the americans. Kosovo-Metohija means nothing to them when they have another conflict sailing up the next year. After all, to conquer Iran´s oil are more important than Kosovo-Metohijas independence for them...

Well to be fair, the Troika is not representing Washington's views either. America is becoming increasingly frustrated at what they see as Europeans once again dragging their feet at what Washington believes to be a self-evident issue. Ischinger is trying to bridge the uncompromising gaps between Washington and Moscow, and that is why the road to Kosovo's independence must go through international mediation, rather than unilateral declarations.

KS,

I am not a Serb. I am a fullblooded Dutch person. From Holland. A real state. Which lives in piece with its neighbours. Not an illegal pseudo state based on broken promises (the Albanese want full independence now, but said in 1999 that autonomy was OK: 1244).

'...If something comes from the Troika, that does not mean that it reflects Moscow's stance 100 percent.'

actualy he says that Moscow is only playing theatre here, no matter what the Troika will decide this will not bend Moscow- a great democracy/a real partner

This just shows that we are wasting time with these negotiations. Why did Russia send a representative if they won't agree with his conclusions?

This is intellectual blindness. Even experienced diplomats like the Russian member of the Troika, after seeing the reality come up with sensible conclusions, i.e. Serbia will NEVER rule Kosovo again. What does Russia say? Not necessarily our view? I hope the "democratic" state doesn't send someone to kill him now.

After all though, the Kosovo's independence is still valid with or without Russia recognizing it.

Serbia is more than welcome to join Russia, Iran, Myanmar and N Korea as the most undemocratic countries in the world.

@ B92

I have noticed that some of my comments don't get through even though I am sure that they had no offending language or anything. Sometimes they get "trimmed" in a way that changes the meaning. It's like taking away the conclusion from an essay.

Anyway, the profession of 'humanfilter' must be quite challenging. It is interesting though, it seems that more than one person does this job at this site, as I can notice the degree of "anger" or "correctness" that one aplies to the posts. If there are two guys, I can immagine one of them wearing a baseball hat, and the other one of those old army caps with emblems upfront...lol.

I'm genuinly guessing my deleted comments were too advanced for the Balcanic audience of today.

Ron, you serbs from the Serb Camp are getting desperate by the day. Darfur does not equal Kosova. The end. Not in the same continent, not same cause and effect, NOTHING. Stop trying to compare two different situations. Also FYI there is a UN mission in darfur, so I am sure this international law has been "breached."

Ron wrote. 2 Million refugees in Darfur,
We do nothing and for Kosovo we would breach international law. No way?

Sadly yes. Darfur has nothing to offer the US but Kosovo Albanians offer the whole of Kosovo to do as they please. Natural resources and bases.
This is very apetizing for the US as they are known for their hunger for power and greed.
Whether they will get away with it is another thing, especially since now they have REAL opposition.

ok,that serbia and russia will not reconnize the independence of kosovo is not surprising!
that does not mean that independence can not happen,

But Troika is supposed to bring closer the statements of all involved parties, and if there are not serious intentions and commitments of certain members of Troika I don't see why this Troika is loosing time... Anyway, there is not much time left and Kosovo does not has much time for waiting.
As for statements of USA - they are still not clear for somebody?!
Good luck Kosovo on your own way...

Dragan, nice that you like this music, soon you have to change the CD.

Alekseyev's words, “Serbia can rest assured that we will not accept any solution that goes against our stance. Of that, there can be no doubt,” he said.
This is music to my ears.
I have not heard Americans making similar statements to the albanians. In fact, the Americans are being ominously quiet these days. I wonder why?
(Dragan, 2. November 2007 12:12)

Well Dragan personally i like more the one who bites instead of someone that just barks!

"Serbia can rest assured that we will not accept any solution that goes against our stance. Of that, there can be no doubt,” he said.
To the Serbian panel I would like to say to "sleep well" until the 10th of December because these "negotiations" are a waste of time.

Alekseyev's words, “Serbia can rest assured that we will not accept any solution that goes against our stance. Of that, there can be no doubt,” he said.
This is music to my ears.
I have not heard Americans making similar statements to the albanians. In fact, the Americans are being ominously quiet these days. I wonder why?

lili,

maybe it will happen, but just maybe, in the "twilight zone."

Russia is pretending that they are stakeholders in process, but very soon decision will be from real owner.

I have not heard Americans making similar statements to the albanians. In fact, the Americans are being ominously quiet these days. I wonder why?
(Dragan, 2. November 2007 12:12)

You must be deaf.

http://fpc.state.gov/fpc/82674.htm
http://usinfo.state.gov/xarchives/display.html?p=washfile-english&y=2007&m=April&x=20070425171811MVyelwarC0.8978083

Few of many links.

@ dragan

come on man, be fair! the us said everything (that´s why they afterwards won´t be liars) and currently is giving to the pristinars a new word of honor: in round-about 12 years! ;-) this time really!

that´s the "superpower" that bites!

Like I said many many times

along with China and Russia comes a BIG sphere of influence in the world. Meaning If China and Russia will not recognize it.. most countries in Asia will not recognize it... most countries in Leftist Latin America will NOT recognize it... peaceful countries who do not meddle in politics in Africa will not recognize it

and not members of the EU will not recognize it..

the highest Kosovo will be recognized is Northern Cyprus status and nothing more


THANK YOU PUTIN

It is sad to see that some states support the independence of Kosovo when it is the legal territory of Serbia.

It is not alright that people who live in Kosovo are spreading organized crime throughout Europe.

We need to ask ourselves, do we really want a GREATER ALBANIA?

International rights are suppose to protect original borders of states.

Serbians and Albanians should work diplomatically together. However, Albanians should understand that just because NATO helped them during the war in 1999 does not mean that they have the right to do whatever they want such as burn and destroy Serbian churches and to steal Serbian peoples homes.

Politics is a dirty game. I sure hope that the educated politicians will step up their game in Serbia through diplomacy because this indepence question is a joke.

Sure Serbia has gone through much horror with so many wars. I do not want to see another one.

At the same time, we all need to fight against international terrorism that is spreading from the KLA from the Albanian side within Kosovo.

Terror is not freedom and anyone who accepts it does not support FREEDOM, LIBERTY AND DEMOCRACY.

This just shows that we are wasting time with these negotiations. Why did Russia send a representative if they won't agree with his conclusions?

This is intellectual blindness. Even experienced diplomats like the Russian member of the Troika, after seeing the reality come up with sensible conclusions, i.e. Serbia will NEVER rule Kosovo again. What does Russia say? Not necessarily our view? I hope the "democratic" state doesn't send someone to kill him now.

After all though, the Kosovo's independence is still valid with or without Russia recognizing it.

Serbia is more than welcome to join Russia, Iran, Myanmar and N Korea as the most undemocratic countries in the world.

EA,

If you wanted independence why did you ever accept 1244.

By the way now on Dutch television. Darfur: 200.000 deaths. 2 MILLION refugees.

We do nothing. And for Kosovo we would breach international law. No way!!!

1# Dragane, you know why...

The americans are quiet because they have more important things than Kosovo-Metohija to think about now.

I'll bet 100 euro that they are busy these days to draw out the plans to start a new war against Iran during the next year, President Bush´s last as a president... And then leave the mess to the next democratic party president.

If I were albanian I wouldnt put to much hope at the americans. Kosovo-Metohija means nothing to them when they have another conflict sailing up the next year. After all, to conquer Iran´s oil are more important than Kosovo-Metohijas independence for them...

Ron, you serbs from the Serb Camp are getting desperate by the day. Darfur does not equal Kosova. The end. Not in the same continent, not same cause and effect, NOTHING. Stop trying to compare two different situations. Also FYI there is a UN mission in darfur, so I am sure this international law has been "breached."

'...If something comes from the Troika, that does not mean that it reflects Moscow's stance 100 percent.'

actualy he says that Moscow is only playing theatre here, no matter what the Troika will decide this will not bend Moscow- a great democracy/a real partner

Well to be fair, the Troika is not representing Washington's views either. America is becoming increasingly frustrated at what they see as Europeans once again dragging their feet at what Washington believes to be a self-evident issue. Ischinger is trying to bridge the uncompromising gaps between Washington and Moscow, and that is why the road to Kosovo's independence must go through international mediation, rather than unilateral declarations.

@ B92

I have noticed that some of my comments don't get through even though I am sure that they had no offending language or anything. Sometimes they get "trimmed" in a way that changes the meaning. It's like taking away the conclusion from an essay.

Anyway, the profession of 'humanfilter' must be quite challenging. It is interesting though, it seems that more than one person does this job at this site, as I can notice the degree of "anger" or "correctness" that one aplies to the posts. If there are two guys, I can immagine one of them wearing a baseball hat, and the other one of those old army caps with emblems upfront...lol.

I'm genuinly guessing my deleted comments were too advanced for the Balcanic audience of today.

KS,

I am not a Serb. I am a fullblooded Dutch person. From Holland. A real state. Which lives in piece with its neighbours. Not an illegal pseudo state based on broken promises (the Albanese want full independence now, but said in 1999 that autonomy was OK: 1244).

Ron wrote. 2 Million refugees in Darfur,
We do nothing and for Kosovo we would breach international law. No way?

Sadly yes. Darfur has nothing to offer the US but Kosovo Albanians offer the whole of Kosovo to do as they please. Natural resources and bases.
This is very apetizing for the US as they are known for their hunger for power and greed.
Whether they will get away with it is another thing, especially since now they have REAL opposition.