State Department: No new plan for Kosovo

Oppps,

The Serbian panel for a moment thought the independence of Kosova is going to be dragged for many many years. It was just a journalist hoax)

If Kosovo's provincial authorities again declare independence (they did so once already in the early 1990s), they will not have international mechanisms (UN, OSCE, CoE, and, if Cyprus stays the course on its current policy, EU) to protect that semi-independence. Such semi-independence will be considered illegal in the international arena and in violation of standing UNSC Resolution 1244. Such a Kosovo would have to rely on an increasingly economically weak and militarily stretched U.S., along with a handful of pro-independence states, to protect the semi-independence. Pristina also would not be able to exercise its self-declared sovereignty over, not just northern Kosovo, but Strpce municipality and scores of other enclaves, some of which lie on strategic routes (such as Gracanica). In the meantime, economic indicators point to Serbia becoming much stronger and more capable of eventually taking its own unilateral steps to counter Kosovo's. In short, such a semi-indepdence would create a long-term disorderly frozen conflict where there is, for the moment, an orderly one. As such, proposals to delay establishing a legal status are infinitely preferable to haste in creating an illegal one.

EA,

What independence? You remember 1244. You can only ask the Serbs to say yes to independence.
Both sides cannot both get it all.
Kosovo is Serbian!

"And a senior NATO diplomat who requested anonymity said: "The U.S. is desperately finding incentives so as to win Russian support for Kosovo and Iran, but also in a way that would save the conventional arms treaty. The question is whether Russia but also some of the smaller NATO countries will buy into the compromise."

This paragraph is the most telling one in the entire article -- it is the US who is desperate now, not Moscow.

I can remember how those boys here were boasting about Russia going to "back down before the one and only global superpower"...

reading this article, it reminded me of how desperate they must have been, ...to throw all realism over board and talk nonsense...

once again some smart kids here will tell us stories about that all doesn´t matter to them and so on...

well, as I said it a few times yet: some things are not to be decided by you.
a bitter pill for you, but you will overcome it.

let´s all hope there won´t be another conflict in the region, it would only make things more complicated. the only ones who could have an interest in that are the albanian mafia-rulers in the serbian province of KiM.

KFOR and UNMIK ought to have an eye on them.

I fail to see how Kosovo is worth $84 billion to the US. Nor can I see how Kosovo could ever hope to repay this.

Even if the US used Kosovo as it's own private military base in Europe and filled it with airfields and military bases this would still be an incredibly expensive deal.

C'mon alban camp. Dec 10?? Is that where all your hopes lie? Nothing will happen on this day, except continued negotiations.

EA,

"The Serbian panel for a moment thought the independence of Kosova is going to be dragged for many many years. It was just a journalist hoax)"

So this hoax by the "comical" journalists Krenar Gashi and Berat Buzhala in Pristina is still being discussed but of course it cant be real its all just a hoax...right?
http://www.birn.eu.com/en/110/15/5439/

Oh I get it these deadlines every year just like the current one 10th December are just one elaborate hoax's too... gosh you guys are a laugh a minute!

I mean who fell for the folly of an illegal independence especially given that the UN has a Security Council Resolution reaffirming Serbia's soverignity over its province of Kosovo & Metohija as well as all other international norms and laws - yes it is a big hoax.

Jovan,

You look like getting some secret pleasure of forgetting the whole scope of truth. Serbian criminals (full time and part time gangsters) were not in any minor role as war profiteers during conflicts in the Balkans.
Find some true pride in you –and you start to see the light.

Ron please explain to me how a Dutchman can be a radical Serb nationalist? The Dutch after all are not even Dutch nationalists.
And I repeat it again for your sake Ron: Serbia lost Kosova in 1999. We do not care what 1244 or what that piece of paper the Serbs call their new constitution say, because we are already independent of Serbia and the US, France, Britain and yes, even Holland, are supporting us. And the irony or ironies my dear Ron, you are paying for it. Ain't life unfair! And the worse of it? There's not much you can do about it.
All you can do is argue about the rights and wrong of it, but as we say in Albania and Kosova: while the dogs bark, the caravan moves ahead. I'll leave it to you to figure out what it means.

To Ron: "Kosovo is Serbian!"

Wow Ron, so much for you being a dutch. Why are you ashamed to say that you are a hardcore Serb? You are who you are, don't have to hide it!!

Funcakes,

1244 is still valid. As long as the UNSC does not nullify it.
And I don't see that happen.

Why you want promises to be broken?
Funcakes, if the whole of the UN promises you independence for Kosovo, will you accept that they will break that promise? No!

So you know the deal is autonomy. Accept it. Welcome in Europe. As part of Serbia!

To recognize KosovO's independence would be a grave mistake. It's irrevalent that Russia isn't part of the EU - China isn't either, but they still buy products from China.

Guess a number of EU member states residents will be cold without Russian oil.

Think before you act. Russia still holds the trump card.

"Jovan,

You look like getting some secret pleasure of forgetting the whole scope of truth. Serbian criminals (full time and part time gangsters) were not in any minor role as war profiteers during conflicts in the Balkans.
Find some true pride in you –and you start to see the light.
(Olli, 30. October 2007 14:25)"

dear Olli, strange that Albanians tend to use western names in order to show how "civilized" and western-oriented they are...

but, let´s answer your comment:

I take pride in the fact that Serbia is sentencing the own criminals, I mean those of serbian ethnicity... while Albanians in Kosovo ( serbian province ) still regard war criminals and profiteers as "hero´s"...trusting in radicals has never brought any good. but if they think to be smarter than the rest of the world...

your ineffectual attempt to provoke me was a nice try, though.

I hope you have finally realized, that you have shot yourself in the foot.

not the first time, by the way.

Pumping 7 billion dollar a year in an area with a GDP of 2 billion? That might have some distorting effects (see Eastern Germany). And given how little the aid in the past 8 year has helped the economy it would need to be very carefully planned.

Lazer, Athisari's plan best for Kosovo.

Russia?
Not in this life time.

This is the reality according to you. I think the world powers don't agree with you, and they are the onces that count.
Like I keep saying. What's on Albanian's Christmas wish list may not be what Santa brings.

Serbia and Russia would want to extend the time for the final status of Kosova but even they wouldnt want it to be as long as 12 years, forget about America.
Now some journalists have nothing else to do but just put these so called " new" proposals. These journalists arent just from Serbia or Kosova but from the west also.
Anyway, the status of Kosova will be settled in few days not years. December 10 is coming so fast.

The Ahtisari plan is the best solution for Kosova/o under the circumstances.
All these reports coming out of make believe media are full of false information.
Dont believe anything they come up with other then proposed UN plan by M. Ahtisari.
That is what US and the EU are going by.
Russia?
I dont think so, not in this lifetime.

Jack - Well, there might be more than meets the eye.

Obviously the US is not dumb to make such a "stupid" investment.

"If Moscow refuses to yield on Kosovo, the United States and most European Union countries might recognize its independence anyway. That move could further destabilize the Balkans, worsen relations with Moscow and lead to a Chinese-Russian veto in the United Nations Security Council to block new sanctions on Iran, diplomats said."

I don't think that the rift between Russia/China and US/Europe will be the issue here, none of them really care about Kosovo or Serbia, it's all a political game anyway, vetos at the security council and action thereafter have always existed since the forming of the UNSC thanks to the egos of these superpowers.

However, leaving Kosovo a part of Serbia will destabilize the region, but how will taking it away from Serbia not destabilize the region? It is obvious Serbia will not cooperate when it comes to the Ahtisaari Plan, so what next?

As I said somewhere before, realistically speaking it will not be an independent Kosovo with sunshine and flowers and people living happily ever after, it will probably more likely be an Israel-Palestine.

1244, UNSC...past tense.

Independence, recognition...near future.

Ron,

Sorry to burst your bubble but I don't think the K-Albanians care too much about your opinion. Since Srebenica people esteem the Dutch more for their tulips than for their advise.

Funcakes

A UN seat would mean both Russia and China would have to agree to it. A seat on the UN is endorsed by UNSC.

Ron - 1244 can be valid all it wants, it still can't stop the declaration or recognition of independence.

From the Albanian side, 1244 is a ghost.

And not all of UN has to agree...just enough countries to grant the UN seat, and it's not easy but not that hard either.

Pretty doable actually.

Peggy, thats right, Russia? Not in this lifetime, I mean K-Albanians, EU, and most importantly US will recognize Independence of Kosoa/o, though bypassing the UNSC.
UNSG has asked the Troyka to take over the negotiations between Serbia and kosova/o, and as you know two of the three are going to say YES to Independence.
Who cares about Russia?
Not me, not in this lifetime.
Take it from this AMERICAN.

Funcakes,

You say: 1244 is a ghost.

Would you also say that if 1244 promised you independence?
If the US breaks its promise of independence will you also say: hey, that's reality.

What is more important for you: general principles or your own specific case?

Ron - Kosovo is considered a unique case by US & EU for reasons that are very serious, but that you enjoy downplaying by either denial, stubborness, or just negative feelingS.

However, these special and unique circumstances make Kosovo a strong candidate for a special act like independence.

Peter - Then why are Albania and US and EU countries lobbying for as much support as possible from UN members? It surely must serve for something.

All is good. I mean, Serbia is counting on Congo support, why shouldn't Kosovo also gather as much support as possible.

Oppps,

The Serbian panel for a moment thought the independence of Kosova is going to be dragged for many many years. It was just a journalist hoax)

To Ron: "Kosovo is Serbian!"

Wow Ron, so much for you being a dutch. Why are you ashamed to say that you are a hardcore Serb? You are who you are, don't have to hide it!!

Serbia and Russia would want to extend the time for the final status of Kosova but even they wouldnt want it to be as long as 12 years, forget about America.
Now some journalists have nothing else to do but just put these so called " new" proposals. These journalists arent just from Serbia or Kosova but from the west also.
Anyway, the status of Kosova will be settled in few days not years. December 10 is coming so fast.

Jovan,

You look like getting some secret pleasure of forgetting the whole scope of truth. Serbian criminals (full time and part time gangsters) were not in any minor role as war profiteers during conflicts in the Balkans.
Find some true pride in you –and you start to see the light.

Ron please explain to me how a Dutchman can be a radical Serb nationalist? The Dutch after all are not even Dutch nationalists.
And I repeat it again for your sake Ron: Serbia lost Kosova in 1999. We do not care what 1244 or what that piece of paper the Serbs call their new constitution say, because we are already independent of Serbia and the US, France, Britain and yes, even Holland, are supporting us. And the irony or ironies my dear Ron, you are paying for it. Ain't life unfair! And the worse of it? There's not much you can do about it.
All you can do is argue about the rights and wrong of it, but as we say in Albania and Kosova: while the dogs bark, the caravan moves ahead. I'll leave it to you to figure out what it means.

Ron,

Sorry to burst your bubble but I don't think the K-Albanians care too much about your opinion. Since Srebenica people esteem the Dutch more for their tulips than for their advise.

The Ahtisari plan is the best solution for Kosova/o under the circumstances.
All these reports coming out of make believe media are full of false information.
Dont believe anything they come up with other then proposed UN plan by M. Ahtisari.
That is what US and the EU are going by.
Russia?
I dont think so, not in this lifetime.

I can remember how those boys here were boasting about Russia going to "back down before the one and only global superpower"...

reading this article, it reminded me of how desperate they must have been, ...to throw all realism over board and talk nonsense...

once again some smart kids here will tell us stories about that all doesn´t matter to them and so on...

well, as I said it a few times yet: some things are not to be decided by you.
a bitter pill for you, but you will overcome it.

let´s all hope there won´t be another conflict in the region, it would only make things more complicated. the only ones who could have an interest in that are the albanian mafia-rulers in the serbian province of KiM.

KFOR and UNMIK ought to have an eye on them.

1244, UNSC...past tense.

Independence, recognition...near future.

Jack - Well, there might be more than meets the eye.

Obviously the US is not dumb to make such a "stupid" investment.

C'mon alban camp. Dec 10?? Is that where all your hopes lie? Nothing will happen on this day, except continued negotiations.

EA,

What independence? You remember 1244. You can only ask the Serbs to say yes to independence.
Both sides cannot both get it all.
Kosovo is Serbian!

Lazer, Athisari's plan best for Kosovo.

Russia?
Not in this life time.

This is the reality according to you. I think the world powers don't agree with you, and they are the onces that count.
Like I keep saying. What's on Albanian's Christmas wish list may not be what Santa brings.

Pumping 7 billion dollar a year in an area with a GDP of 2 billion? That might have some distorting effects (see Eastern Germany). And given how little the aid in the past 8 year has helped the economy it would need to be very carefully planned.

I fail to see how Kosovo is worth $84 billion to the US. Nor can I see how Kosovo could ever hope to repay this.

Even if the US used Kosovo as it's own private military base in Europe and filled it with airfields and military bases this would still be an incredibly expensive deal.

"And a senior NATO diplomat who requested anonymity said: "The U.S. is desperately finding incentives so as to win Russian support for Kosovo and Iran, but also in a way that would save the conventional arms treaty. The question is whether Russia but also some of the smaller NATO countries will buy into the compromise."

This paragraph is the most telling one in the entire article -- it is the US who is desperate now, not Moscow.

If Kosovo's provincial authorities again declare independence (they did so once already in the early 1990s), they will not have international mechanisms (UN, OSCE, CoE, and, if Cyprus stays the course on its current policy, EU) to protect that semi-independence. Such semi-independence will be considered illegal in the international arena and in violation of standing UNSC Resolution 1244. Such a Kosovo would have to rely on an increasingly economically weak and militarily stretched U.S., along with a handful of pro-independence states, to protect the semi-independence. Pristina also would not be able to exercise its self-declared sovereignty over, not just northern Kosovo, but Strpce municipality and scores of other enclaves, some of which lie on strategic routes (such as Gracanica). In the meantime, economic indicators point to Serbia becoming much stronger and more capable of eventually taking its own unilateral steps to counter Kosovo's. In short, such a semi-indepdence would create a long-term disorderly frozen conflict where there is, for the moment, an orderly one. As such, proposals to delay establishing a legal status are infinitely preferable to haste in creating an illegal one.

EA,

"The Serbian panel for a moment thought the independence of Kosova is going to be dragged for many many years. It was just a journalist hoax)"

So this hoax by the "comical" journalists Krenar Gashi and Berat Buzhala in Pristina is still being discussed but of course it cant be real its all just a hoax...right?
http://www.birn.eu.com/en/110/15/5439/

Oh I get it these deadlines every year just like the current one 10th December are just one elaborate hoax's too... gosh you guys are a laugh a minute!

I mean who fell for the folly of an illegal independence especially given that the UN has a Security Council Resolution reaffirming Serbia's soverignity over its province of Kosovo & Metohija as well as all other international norms and laws - yes it is a big hoax.

"If Moscow refuses to yield on Kosovo, the United States and most European Union countries might recognize its independence anyway. That move could further destabilize the Balkans, worsen relations with Moscow and lead to a Chinese-Russian veto in the United Nations Security Council to block new sanctions on Iran, diplomats said."

I don't think that the rift between Russia/China and US/Europe will be the issue here, none of them really care about Kosovo or Serbia, it's all a political game anyway, vetos at the security council and action thereafter have always existed since the forming of the UNSC thanks to the egos of these superpowers.

However, leaving Kosovo a part of Serbia will destabilize the region, but how will taking it away from Serbia not destabilize the region? It is obvious Serbia will not cooperate when it comes to the Ahtisaari Plan, so what next?

As I said somewhere before, realistically speaking it will not be an independent Kosovo with sunshine and flowers and people living happily ever after, it will probably more likely be an Israel-Palestine.

"Jovan,

You look like getting some secret pleasure of forgetting the whole scope of truth. Serbian criminals (full time and part time gangsters) were not in any minor role as war profiteers during conflicts in the Balkans.
Find some true pride in you –and you start to see the light.
(Olli, 30. October 2007 14:25)"

dear Olli, strange that Albanians tend to use western names in order to show how "civilized" and western-oriented they are...

but, let´s answer your comment:

I take pride in the fact that Serbia is sentencing the own criminals, I mean those of serbian ethnicity... while Albanians in Kosovo ( serbian province ) still regard war criminals and profiteers as "hero´s"...trusting in radicals has never brought any good. but if they think to be smarter than the rest of the world...

your ineffectual attempt to provoke me was a nice try, though.

I hope you have finally realized, that you have shot yourself in the foot.

not the first time, by the way.

Funcakes,

1244 is still valid. As long as the UNSC does not nullify it.
And I don't see that happen.

Why you want promises to be broken?
Funcakes, if the whole of the UN promises you independence for Kosovo, will you accept that they will break that promise? No!

So you know the deal is autonomy. Accept it. Welcome in Europe. As part of Serbia!

To recognize KosovO's independence would be a grave mistake. It's irrevalent that Russia isn't part of the EU - China isn't either, but they still buy products from China.

Guess a number of EU member states residents will be cold without Russian oil.

Think before you act. Russia still holds the trump card.

Ron - 1244 can be valid all it wants, it still can't stop the declaration or recognition of independence.

From the Albanian side, 1244 is a ghost.

And not all of UN has to agree...just enough countries to grant the UN seat, and it's not easy but not that hard either.

Pretty doable actually.

Funcakes

A UN seat would mean both Russia and China would have to agree to it. A seat on the UN is endorsed by UNSC.

Peggy, thats right, Russia? Not in this lifetime, I mean K-Albanians, EU, and most importantly US will recognize Independence of Kosoa/o, though bypassing the UNSC.
UNSG has asked the Troyka to take over the negotiations between Serbia and kosova/o, and as you know two of the three are going to say YES to Independence.
Who cares about Russia?
Not me, not in this lifetime.
Take it from this AMERICAN.

Funcakes,

You say: 1244 is a ghost.

Would you also say that if 1244 promised you independence?
If the US breaks its promise of independence will you also say: hey, that's reality.

What is more important for you: general principles or your own specific case?

Ron - Kosovo is considered a unique case by US & EU for reasons that are very serious, but that you enjoy downplaying by either denial, stubborness, or just negative feelingS.

However, these special and unique circumstances make Kosovo a strong candidate for a special act like independence.

Peter - Then why are Albania and US and EU countries lobbying for as much support as possible from UN members? It surely must serve for something.

All is good. I mean, Serbia is counting on Congo support, why shouldn't Kosovo also gather as much support as possible.