Đelić: Exert more pressure on Priština

"Đelić stressed that the talks had reached a stalemate because of a lack of cooperation on the part of the Kosovo Albanians, and underlined that Belgrade had a “red line” that could not be crossed".
What can you expect from a politition whom "can not see the woods for the trees". What kind of "cooperations" is he talking about? Giving up the aspiration for full independence from Serbia? His arrogance in pointing out the Serbian "red lines" on one side and denying the Kosovars "red lines" is just another Serbian paradox. Let me remind him and other Serbs here that the Kosovar will not accept anything less than full independent and sovran Kosova.
Let me elaborate just a bit. The Kosovar Albanians would like you to agree with it. If you don't agree again "Thanks very much let's agree to disagree". No threat, no blackmail for our different stands on this issue. OK? Can we talk about things that we might agree? Yes? Great! Let's talk! No? Why? Ahhhh...because you want to talk about the status first that we can't agree? 10th of December is coming....Thanks the talks are over. From now on we can talk only if you recognise Republic of Kosova.

The kosovo negotiating team are being as constructive as their counterparts, if you say serbia are being constructive. Both teams layed out their proposals, the kosovo team viewing that two independent states working together and the serbian team viewing ..blabla

It hasnt changed from either side...

When is everyone going to realise that both countries will not give up on their stances. When is serbia going to accept an independent Kosovo? Never, When is Kosovo not going to accept independence? Never.

So why have continued negotiations, especially beyond december 10th???
Its not going to happen.

The only way to go about it is to have the washington thing they proposed earlier on, and everyone to have a vote, since russia blocked the initiative of having a vote through security council.

Or... kosovo wil declare independence with most of european countries including the US recognizing it, either way its quite clear that kosovo is going to be independent.

Its sad to see serbians in such self-denial and deluding themselves into actually believing they can stop the process.

theres a lot of stuff said here over and over that is taken for granted that shouldnt be. what is the root of this problem with kosovo?
i have no doubt in my mind that Albanians in Kosovo suffered in 1999. i also have no doubt that some of them formed a terrorist group that attacked serbs and albanians and directly and unacceptably the state of serbia by shooting at cops in mid 1990s. and looking at how serbs go shopping under armed escort 8 years after the war ended, i wonder, if albanians were in the position of serbs in 1999, would we not have had the Rwanda style genocide of serbs. maybe, hopefully not.
Albanians here say their trouble with respecting their country and behaving normally like other minorities all over Europe has to do with Milosevic. Also, we all know milo got hugely popular because he spoke about protecting serbs in Kosovo. In 1987. of course he manipulated them and as we can see did exactly the opposite, but do tell me, what were the serbs in Kosovo seeking protection from, in 1987?
Autonomy the way 1974 constitution set it was taken both from kosovo and vojvodina in 1989. how do Albanians here explain that there was trouble, armed groups that the state department said were terrorist shooting police and war only in Kosovo, if that was normal acceptable reaction? After all you claim, a shady claim at best, that Kosovo used to be Albanian, well Vojvodina certainly used to be Hungarian, and yet no savage confrontation and war. i am not asking rhetorical questions here, I am genuinely wondering.
And it did not start with milo. When dictator broz died in 1980, Kosovo Albanians probably thought they would exploit weakness and there were huge demos in pristina. Why? You had your 1974 constitution then. Army had to restore order, that was 27 years ago.
if the truth is that you never accepted this state no matter who was in power or what policy, then you must know that action to violently separate is illegal in serbia, in france, in china and argentina. In Albania too. Everywhere.
If you were killed, expelled, lost property, the remedy for that is to remove those responsible from power, to send perps to jail, to pay damages and come up with trust building such as autonomy. The remedy for that cannot be and never will be to give you a state. I don’t know who gave you that idea or why you as reasonable people took to it.

Smile,
A free gift for you.
This is a free gift for you.

One if the reasons why Kosova must be independent...

After Tito's death on 4 May 1980, ethnic tensions grew in Yugoslavia. The legacy of the Constitution of 1974 was used to throw the system of decision-making into a state of paralysis, made all the more hopeless as the conflict of interests had become irreconcilable. The constitutional crisis that inevitably followed resulted in a rise of nationalism in all republics: Slovenia and Croatia made demands for looser ties within the Federation, the Albanian majority in Kosovo demanded the status of a republic, SERBIA SOUGHT ABSOLUTE, NOT RELATIVE DOMINION OVER YUGOSLAVIA. Added to this, the Croat quest for independence led to large Serb communities within Croatia rebelling and trying to secede from the Croat republic.

In 1986, the Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts drafted a memorandum addressing some burning issues concerning position of Serbs as the most numerous people in Yugoslavia. The largest Yugoslav republic in territory and population, Serbia's influence over the REGIONS OF KOSOVA AND VOJVODINA WAS REDUCED BY THE 1974 CONSTITUTION. Because its two autonomous provinces HAD DE FACTO THE PREROGATIVE of full-fledged republics, Serbia found that its hands were tied, for the republican government was restricted in making and carrying out decisions that would apply to the provinces. Since the provinces had a vote in the Federal Presidency Council (an eight member council composed of representatives from six republics and two autonomous provinces), they sometimes even entered into coalition with other republics, thus outvoting Serbia. Serbia's political IMPOTANCE made it possible for others to exert pressure on the 2 million Serbs (20% of total Serbian population) living outside Serbia.


Slobodan MiloševićSerbian communist leader Slobodan Milošević sought to restore pre-1974 Serbian sovereignty. Other republics, especially Slovenia and Croatia, denounced this move as a revival of great Serbian hegemonism. Milošević succeeded in reducing the autonomy of Vojvodina and of Kosovo and Metohija, but both entities retained a vote in the Yugoslav Presidency Council.
I do not see any difference between Slobodan Milloshevic and Kostunica and Tomislav.

Smile please go back to 1912, please review the Conferences of London and Paris around that time. You will not have to wonder anymore why stuff happened in the 70's 80's 90's and even now. Go back and review how Kosova/o was incorporated into Jugoslavia and Serbia. There won't be the need for you to wonder.
What is happening now is the same, with the only difference that unlike then we Albanians have allies now. Belgrade can no longer lie and claim Albanians have tails (Yes literally tails- thesw are words of Serbian statesmen back then). It can no longer scare European powers by the help of mother Russia. This time around we Albanians are not alone.
Yes we will never accept any government or any form of autonomy, no matter if other ethnicities decides to accept them or not. We are not them. We wanted a Republic back then we want it now. Simple as that. I find no reason whatsoever as to why should all the slavs in the Balkans have their own Republics and all the Albanians in the Balkans have only one Republic. Are the Slavs in the Balkans better people for such privelleges? Do they have some special right to be on their own and we don't?
So why not fight for Kosova/o to be a Republic, why not fight for us to decide about our own fate rather then depend on the mood of Serbs,about how much freedom, how much rights, if we're gonna even exist in Kosova/o tomorrow or not.
See smile, there is no need for you even to start the wondering process, it is all logical. We will not let our fate be in the hands of Serbs, simple as that. It was our blood that was spilled, we decide what to do, it is our compromise, not yours.

Mirsad, EA, others:

Truth is that Kosovo future it is not upon Serbia to decide.
It seems to me more and more this is a matter of US and Russia to negotiate, and then for EU to adapt to the Moscow-Washington deal:

"Visiting Russian President Vladimir Putin said in Lisbon on Thursday that Russia is firmly opposed to a unilateral independence of Kosovo and to new sanctions against Iran."

It seems Kosovo issue will be "solved" in the bigger framework of US missiles shield and Iran dossier. If this is the case, then all the bets are off...

However, whatever the decision regarding Kosovo, it will be handed over for implementation to EU (for financial reasons, and because Balkans have no future without EU support and involvement). And in EU, the problems with Kosovo independence are three: Greece, Cyprus, and Spain.

Yes, three, not four or five, because Romania and Slovakia will step back - being too new into EU club, and not wanting to put themselves in a bad light as spoilers of EU unity (especially that bigger spoilers are already at the table).

We are all in for a very interesting end of the year, isn't it?

Best from Bucharest,
George

You know these talks are all wrong. The talks should between Kosova and it's minorities (more than one). If the Albanians struck a deal with Serbs/Bosniaks/Romas than no one would even pay attention to what Serbia has to say. I say this because it is repeated by big dogs that, "we would love for Albanians and Serbs to reach an agreement.."

If the Kosovar-Serbs took the time to read the Ahtisari plan and its' advantages than they would agree.

Kosovar - Serbs get more power under the Ahtisari Plan than under "province of serbia" that Belgrade team keeps spewing out.

EA,

What is the difference between Saddam and Milosovic? Let's be honest: the first was much worse then the latter.
Still, George Bush is not saying: enough is enough, Kurdistand must be independent.

Well, I maybe a dumb boy from a small, stupid country (Holland) but that I don't get!

None of you have the slightest clue as to what is going on.
You all push similar lines that is at best, fantasy.

Why do you think Kosovo doesn't have its independance?
Why aren't other countries all pushing the unilateral line?

I'll tell you why, because if all talks fail, the default position is that Kosovo remains in Serbia. All the UN resolutions and International Law make it so. Anything else will be viewed by the world as theft, nothing more nothing less.
Current title is with Serbia regardless of what is going on on the ground.

The US and UK need Serbia to capitulate, hence why this is dragging on and why independance will be impossible to achieve whilst Serbia says NO.
All other talk is just BS and a distraction.

Wake up people, Ceku doesn't even control the North, and thats the reality as well.

greece ,cyprus and spain are not a problem for kosovo_we can be independent despite their stand_, but is a big problem for europe and europeen policy!

ea, you don’t really address any of my main points such as what it was that endangered Kosovo serbs so badly in 1987 that someone like milo got to exploit it so easily. Why do Serbian children in enclaves go to bed in fear this 2007. I consider myself a reasonably reasonable person but everytime I think about those kids limited to a couple of streets from home to school and with kfor escort all my blood rushes to my head. No sane person could ever even try to justify that.
And then your mixed up dates, when chronology is vitally important for this story. cro serbs seeking secession in 1980? Trouble all round, slovenia, croatia, kosovo, in 1980?
And most poignantly, "because its two autonomous provinces HAD DE FACTO THE PREROGATIVE of full-fledged…"
You have too many de facto stuff in your lives if i may note this. Then it was de facto republic, now its de facto independence. You need solid facts now, like a un seat, huge direct foreign investment. De facto un seat, de facto investment, I don’t think that exists, but then again I don’t think de facto republics or independences exist either.
I won't even communicate with the gentleman who brought up the tails story to back his argument. But I would like to know is it 1912 or 1999 that just makes it impossible to respect your country and live there peacefully. I've heard both claims here from many people.
Emotions are one thing and reality is another. I'm sure you hate serbia much but rest assured I don’t hate you and don’t oppose kosovos independence out of hatred for you but out of love for my country, serbia. But the reality is that if there was a way for those you consider your allies to make Kosovo a state they would have. Now there is this negotiating agony instead. Nothing is over and nothing is final not by a long shot. And words even grandiose like "we will never again, we will under no circumstances" can be made into a humble pie by a good chef.
But no smirks from me when/if that happens. I see no winners here whatever the outcome.

From many demands and justifications of K.Albanians - there emerges quite clearly a strong desire or exclusivity of K.Albanians - e.g - that Albanians have "nothing in common" with fellow Slavs, that they have a different language and culture, that they come from the Illyrian tribes, etc.
Simply saying that they will "compromise" buy accepting to treat Serbs and non-Albanians in a civilized manner (e.g what was suggested in Athisaari's plan) is very low concession for gaining that right to exclusivity... which at the heart of all Albanian demands.
Explanations such as: "We are looking into the future and Serbs are looking into the past" is not very modern either. Future is surely in tolerance, reconciliation (EU was built on reconciliation) and respecting of ones neighbor - even if he is a Slav or Roma. Future in Europe is not so much in getting more exclusive rights for particular group, at he expense of others.
So true compromise is surely lying further away from what K.Albanians like to portray as their compromise.
As for blood that was shed - again in their exclusivity - K.Albanians eagerly forget that Serbs had huge toll to pay in wars 1912-1918,(for those lands) and I think it still counts very much. This Johny should know, if he knows history.

Smile,
You are saying "You need solid facts now, like a un seat, huge direct foreign investment. De facto un seat, de facto investment, I don’t think that exists, but then again I don’t think de facto republics or independences exist either".
I am surprised with you for not being able to understand what is all about the whole this process. It is all about full independence of Kosova. I share the view that the lives of Serb in enclaves is not acceptable but why? Why they are not allowed to integrate? Who is interested for them not to be integrated? What was and is the Serbia's role in this? Let's be REAL. Do you really believe in Kosova being still part of Serbia? That would be mean being out of the REALITY.

EA,

Why Kosovo does not integrate in Serbia... Then no new solutions are needed.

Kosovo, an illegal pseudo state. Glad I live in Holland. A real state. WITH MINORITIES. Who are glad they live in Holland. Even a lot of German people are coming to Holland to live, work and have fun.

You can do the same in Serbia! Good luck!

EA,

You say unless we recognise (illegal) independence only then can we talk.

Well, in all sincerity I must tell you that since such a thing CAN NEVER HAPPEN I guess you guys will all have to sit in SILENCE!!!

Finally a bit of peace and quiet in that area for a change!

To Ron: "Kosovo, an illegal pseudo state. Glad I live in Holland. A real state. WITH MINORITIES. Who are glad they live in Holland. Even a lot of German people are coming to Holland to live, work and have fun."

Mister, Albanians wouldn't mind joining Kosovo with Holland, but Holland is not Serbia.

Smile please go back to 1912, please review the Conferences of London and Paris around that time. You will not have to wonder anymore why stuff happened in the 70's 80's 90's and even now. Go back and review how Kosova/o was incorporated into Jugoslavia and Serbia. There won't be the need for you to wonder.
What is happening now is the same, with the only difference that unlike then we Albanians have allies now. Belgrade can no longer lie and claim Albanians have tails (Yes literally tails- thesw are words of Serbian statesmen back then). It can no longer scare European powers by the help of mother Russia. This time around we Albanians are not alone.
Yes we will never accept any government or any form of autonomy, no matter if other ethnicities decides to accept them or not. We are not them. We wanted a Republic back then we want it now. Simple as that. I find no reason whatsoever as to why should all the slavs in the Balkans have their own Republics and all the Albanians in the Balkans have only one Republic. Are the Slavs in the Balkans better people for such privelleges? Do they have some special right to be on their own and we don't?
So why not fight for Kosova/o to be a Republic, why not fight for us to decide about our own fate rather then depend on the mood of Serbs,about how much freedom, how much rights, if we're gonna even exist in Kosova/o tomorrow or not.
See smile, there is no need for you even to start the wondering process, it is all logical. We will not let our fate be in the hands of Serbs, simple as that. It was our blood that was spilled, we decide what to do, it is our compromise, not yours.

"Đelić stressed that the talks had reached a stalemate because of a lack of cooperation on the part of the Kosovo Albanians, and underlined that Belgrade had a “red line” that could not be crossed".
What can you expect from a politition whom "can not see the woods for the trees". What kind of "cooperations" is he talking about? Giving up the aspiration for full independence from Serbia? His arrogance in pointing out the Serbian "red lines" on one side and denying the Kosovars "red lines" is just another Serbian paradox. Let me remind him and other Serbs here that the Kosovar will not accept anything less than full independent and sovran Kosova.
Let me elaborate just a bit. The Kosovar Albanians would like you to agree with it. If you don't agree again "Thanks very much let's agree to disagree". No threat, no blackmail for our different stands on this issue. OK? Can we talk about things that we might agree? Yes? Great! Let's talk! No? Why? Ahhhh...because you want to talk about the status first that we can't agree? 10th of December is coming....Thanks the talks are over. From now on we can talk only if you recognise Republic of Kosova.

The kosovo negotiating team are being as constructive as their counterparts, if you say serbia are being constructive. Both teams layed out their proposals, the kosovo team viewing that two independent states working together and the serbian team viewing ..blabla

It hasnt changed from either side...

When is everyone going to realise that both countries will not give up on their stances. When is serbia going to accept an independent Kosovo? Never, When is Kosovo not going to accept independence? Never.

So why have continued negotiations, especially beyond december 10th???
Its not going to happen.

The only way to go about it is to have the washington thing they proposed earlier on, and everyone to have a vote, since russia blocked the initiative of having a vote through security council.

Or... kosovo wil declare independence with most of european countries including the US recognizing it, either way its quite clear that kosovo is going to be independent.

Its sad to see serbians in such self-denial and deluding themselves into actually believing they can stop the process.

theres a lot of stuff said here over and over that is taken for granted that shouldnt be. what is the root of this problem with kosovo?
i have no doubt in my mind that Albanians in Kosovo suffered in 1999. i also have no doubt that some of them formed a terrorist group that attacked serbs and albanians and directly and unacceptably the state of serbia by shooting at cops in mid 1990s. and looking at how serbs go shopping under armed escort 8 years after the war ended, i wonder, if albanians were in the position of serbs in 1999, would we not have had the Rwanda style genocide of serbs. maybe, hopefully not.
Albanians here say their trouble with respecting their country and behaving normally like other minorities all over Europe has to do with Milosevic. Also, we all know milo got hugely popular because he spoke about protecting serbs in Kosovo. In 1987. of course he manipulated them and as we can see did exactly the opposite, but do tell me, what were the serbs in Kosovo seeking protection from, in 1987?
Autonomy the way 1974 constitution set it was taken both from kosovo and vojvodina in 1989. how do Albanians here explain that there was trouble, armed groups that the state department said were terrorist shooting police and war only in Kosovo, if that was normal acceptable reaction? After all you claim, a shady claim at best, that Kosovo used to be Albanian, well Vojvodina certainly used to be Hungarian, and yet no savage confrontation and war. i am not asking rhetorical questions here, I am genuinely wondering.
And it did not start with milo. When dictator broz died in 1980, Kosovo Albanians probably thought they would exploit weakness and there were huge demos in pristina. Why? You had your 1974 constitution then. Army had to restore order, that was 27 years ago.
if the truth is that you never accepted this state no matter who was in power or what policy, then you must know that action to violently separate is illegal in serbia, in france, in china and argentina. In Albania too. Everywhere.
If you were killed, expelled, lost property, the remedy for that is to remove those responsible from power, to send perps to jail, to pay damages and come up with trust building such as autonomy. The remedy for that cannot be and never will be to give you a state. I don’t know who gave you that idea or why you as reasonable people took to it.

Smile,
A free gift for you.
This is a free gift for you.

One if the reasons why Kosova must be independent...

After Tito's death on 4 May 1980, ethnic tensions grew in Yugoslavia. The legacy of the Constitution of 1974 was used to throw the system of decision-making into a state of paralysis, made all the more hopeless as the conflict of interests had become irreconcilable. The constitutional crisis that inevitably followed resulted in a rise of nationalism in all republics: Slovenia and Croatia made demands for looser ties within the Federation, the Albanian majority in Kosovo demanded the status of a republic, SERBIA SOUGHT ABSOLUTE, NOT RELATIVE DOMINION OVER YUGOSLAVIA. Added to this, the Croat quest for independence led to large Serb communities within Croatia rebelling and trying to secede from the Croat republic.

In 1986, the Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts drafted a memorandum addressing some burning issues concerning position of Serbs as the most numerous people in Yugoslavia. The largest Yugoslav republic in territory and population, Serbia's influence over the REGIONS OF KOSOVA AND VOJVODINA WAS REDUCED BY THE 1974 CONSTITUTION. Because its two autonomous provinces HAD DE FACTO THE PREROGATIVE of full-fledged republics, Serbia found that its hands were tied, for the republican government was restricted in making and carrying out decisions that would apply to the provinces. Since the provinces had a vote in the Federal Presidency Council (an eight member council composed of representatives from six republics and two autonomous provinces), they sometimes even entered into coalition with other republics, thus outvoting Serbia. Serbia's political IMPOTANCE made it possible for others to exert pressure on the 2 million Serbs (20% of total Serbian population) living outside Serbia.


Slobodan MiloševićSerbian communist leader Slobodan Milošević sought to restore pre-1974 Serbian sovereignty. Other republics, especially Slovenia and Croatia, denounced this move as a revival of great Serbian hegemonism. Milošević succeeded in reducing the autonomy of Vojvodina and of Kosovo and Metohija, but both entities retained a vote in the Yugoslav Presidency Council.
I do not see any difference between Slobodan Milloshevic and Kostunica and Tomislav.

greece ,cyprus and spain are not a problem for kosovo_we can be independent despite their stand_, but is a big problem for europe and europeen policy!

You know these talks are all wrong. The talks should between Kosova and it's minorities (more than one). If the Albanians struck a deal with Serbs/Bosniaks/Romas than no one would even pay attention to what Serbia has to say. I say this because it is repeated by big dogs that, "we would love for Albanians and Serbs to reach an agreement.."

If the Kosovar-Serbs took the time to read the Ahtisari plan and its' advantages than they would agree.

Kosovar - Serbs get more power under the Ahtisari Plan than under "province of serbia" that Belgrade team keeps spewing out.

Smile,
You are saying "You need solid facts now, like a un seat, huge direct foreign investment. De facto un seat, de facto investment, I don’t think that exists, but then again I don’t think de facto republics or independences exist either".
I am surprised with you for not being able to understand what is all about the whole this process. It is all about full independence of Kosova. I share the view that the lives of Serb in enclaves is not acceptable but why? Why they are not allowed to integrate? Who is interested for them not to be integrated? What was and is the Serbia's role in this? Let's be REAL. Do you really believe in Kosova being still part of Serbia? That would be mean being out of the REALITY.

Mirsad, EA, others:

Truth is that Kosovo future it is not upon Serbia to decide.
It seems to me more and more this is a matter of US and Russia to negotiate, and then for EU to adapt to the Moscow-Washington deal:

"Visiting Russian President Vladimir Putin said in Lisbon on Thursday that Russia is firmly opposed to a unilateral independence of Kosovo and to new sanctions against Iran."

It seems Kosovo issue will be "solved" in the bigger framework of US missiles shield and Iran dossier. If this is the case, then all the bets are off...

However, whatever the decision regarding Kosovo, it will be handed over for implementation to EU (for financial reasons, and because Balkans have no future without EU support and involvement). And in EU, the problems with Kosovo independence are three: Greece, Cyprus, and Spain.

Yes, three, not four or five, because Romania and Slovakia will step back - being too new into EU club, and not wanting to put themselves in a bad light as spoilers of EU unity (especially that bigger spoilers are already at the table).

We are all in for a very interesting end of the year, isn't it?

Best from Bucharest,
George

ea, you don’t really address any of my main points such as what it was that endangered Kosovo serbs so badly in 1987 that someone like milo got to exploit it so easily. Why do Serbian children in enclaves go to bed in fear this 2007. I consider myself a reasonably reasonable person but everytime I think about those kids limited to a couple of streets from home to school and with kfor escort all my blood rushes to my head. No sane person could ever even try to justify that.
And then your mixed up dates, when chronology is vitally important for this story. cro serbs seeking secession in 1980? Trouble all round, slovenia, croatia, kosovo, in 1980?
And most poignantly, "because its two autonomous provinces HAD DE FACTO THE PREROGATIVE of full-fledged…"
You have too many de facto stuff in your lives if i may note this. Then it was de facto republic, now its de facto independence. You need solid facts now, like a un seat, huge direct foreign investment. De facto un seat, de facto investment, I don’t think that exists, but then again I don’t think de facto republics or independences exist either.
I won't even communicate with the gentleman who brought up the tails story to back his argument. But I would like to know is it 1912 or 1999 that just makes it impossible to respect your country and live there peacefully. I've heard both claims here from many people.
Emotions are one thing and reality is another. I'm sure you hate serbia much but rest assured I don’t hate you and don’t oppose kosovos independence out of hatred for you but out of love for my country, serbia. But the reality is that if there was a way for those you consider your allies to make Kosovo a state they would have. Now there is this negotiating agony instead. Nothing is over and nothing is final not by a long shot. And words even grandiose like "we will never again, we will under no circumstances" can be made into a humble pie by a good chef.
But no smirks from me when/if that happens. I see no winners here whatever the outcome.

From many demands and justifications of K.Albanians - there emerges quite clearly a strong desire or exclusivity of K.Albanians - e.g - that Albanians have "nothing in common" with fellow Slavs, that they have a different language and culture, that they come from the Illyrian tribes, etc.
Simply saying that they will "compromise" buy accepting to treat Serbs and non-Albanians in a civilized manner (e.g what was suggested in Athisaari's plan) is very low concession for gaining that right to exclusivity... which at the heart of all Albanian demands.
Explanations such as: "We are looking into the future and Serbs are looking into the past" is not very modern either. Future is surely in tolerance, reconciliation (EU was built on reconciliation) and respecting of ones neighbor - even if he is a Slav or Roma. Future in Europe is not so much in getting more exclusive rights for particular group, at he expense of others.
So true compromise is surely lying further away from what K.Albanians like to portray as their compromise.
As for blood that was shed - again in their exclusivity - K.Albanians eagerly forget that Serbs had huge toll to pay in wars 1912-1918,(for those lands) and I think it still counts very much. This Johny should know, if he knows history.

EA,

What is the difference between Saddam and Milosovic? Let's be honest: the first was much worse then the latter.
Still, George Bush is not saying: enough is enough, Kurdistand must be independent.

Well, I maybe a dumb boy from a small, stupid country (Holland) but that I don't get!

None of you have the slightest clue as to what is going on.
You all push similar lines that is at best, fantasy.

Why do you think Kosovo doesn't have its independance?
Why aren't other countries all pushing the unilateral line?

I'll tell you why, because if all talks fail, the default position is that Kosovo remains in Serbia. All the UN resolutions and International Law make it so. Anything else will be viewed by the world as theft, nothing more nothing less.
Current title is with Serbia regardless of what is going on on the ground.

The US and UK need Serbia to capitulate, hence why this is dragging on and why independance will be impossible to achieve whilst Serbia says NO.
All other talk is just BS and a distraction.

Wake up people, Ceku doesn't even control the North, and thats the reality as well.

EA,

Why Kosovo does not integrate in Serbia... Then no new solutions are needed.

Kosovo, an illegal pseudo state. Glad I live in Holland. A real state. WITH MINORITIES. Who are glad they live in Holland. Even a lot of German people are coming to Holland to live, work and have fun.

You can do the same in Serbia! Good luck!

EA,

You say unless we recognise (illegal) independence only then can we talk.

Well, in all sincerity I must tell you that since such a thing CAN NEVER HAPPEN I guess you guys will all have to sit in SILENCE!!!

Finally a bit of peace and quiet in that area for a change!

To Ron: "Kosovo, an illegal pseudo state. Glad I live in Holland. A real state. WITH MINORITIES. Who are glad they live in Holland. Even a lot of German people are coming to Holland to live, work and have fun."

Mister, Albanians wouldn't mind joining Kosovo with Holland, but Holland is not Serbia.