Slovenia digs up proof of post-WW2 crimes

These "murders" are no secret and the mass graves were no secrets nor were these the murder of "Nazi collaborators" as they included whole families - mothers & their children and grandparents. This is a episode that many who helped assist in the Communist genocide against all those who wanted a free and democratic Yugoslavia would rather remains a secret and that includes the British officers in Austria who sent the anti-communist Yugoslavs forces and family members back to the murder squads of Tito on trains which the British Senior officers lied and said was going to Italy.

- this not a secret nor a unknown mass grave but an example of the truth finally being given light from those who have decevied and continue to deceive especially with regards to the recent turmoil that has befallen former Yugoslavia.

I strongly believe that the recent wars in the Balkans were a continuation of what occurred during WWII.

It would be most interesting if they could ever get any names of the dead. As far as I know they haven't gotten an identities. Perhaps to much is lost and destroyed at this point. But anti-communists were also the target of Tito and those included many Serbs. He fought fiercest against the Chetniks who were his #1 enemy during the war, and he did continue to kill these Serbs (many of whom were forceably returned to Yugoslavia) after the war's end. So simply saying they were mostly Ustasha or Montenegrins without good evidence (names, for example) is rather too much guesswork and assuming.

There is not much of a difference between hard line Communist ,Nazis and Nationalist. The millions of there victims can testify of there insane pogroms of madness and murderous lunacy. They should be all condemned and there supporters.

Many of these mass graves can also be found in the Kočevje region. My father and grandparents were born in the region then known as Gottschee (Kočevje is the Slovenian name), and the entire community that had lived there for over 600 years had to flee after the war on account of being seen as Nazi collaborators. Those that made it out (roughly one half to two thirds) reached Austria. When we went back there last summer, the village my father was born in had completely disappeared - overgrown by nature. Tito's Partisans used the mountains of the Gottschee region as other places for his mass killings. While these graves hold the remains of many Ustasha, they also hold the remains of many Volkdeutsche, both from Kočevje and from the Novi Sad region.

Ida, why spoil the fragile script? Stating that Serbs were the victims of extermination, even 60 years ago, can ruin fragile "Serbs are Nazis" propaganda theme.

Historical record clearly shows that Chetniks were not Nazi collaborators. The reason for treir mass murder in Slovenia is ether:

a) ideological
b) their ethnic origin.

Although some Chetniks were Slovenes, Croats, Muslims and Montenegrins, the bulk were Serbs.

Prof. Rummel coined the term "democide" to describe cases of mass slaughter of ideological adversaries. Genocide applies if Chetiniks were murdered for being Serbs.

Also, it is quite telling that Slovene octagenarians are aftaid of reprisals even today. It shows that Slovenia may be in EU, but the reins od power are still in the old hands. This is scary part.

serbian and also montenegrin chetniks, people who were loyal to the kingdom and basically picked their side in the war because they were anticommunist and there was no other choice were also killed in slovenia in 1945 immediately after the war. some who survived were captured by the british and turned over to the russians who were in austria. then russians transferred some of them to labor camps in siberia. this is according to the international red cross letter sent to my family about the fate of my grandfather. he died in a russian labor or shall we say death camp in 1946.

Its a known fact that more than 80% of the dead were Croats, some where Ustasha but many were innocent civilians that withdrew in fear of communism, the partisans, the Soviets, etc.

Similar mass graves exist in Croatia. One of the largest is Jazovka in northern Croatia.

And some say the Croats didn't pay the price for siding with the Germans. All in all, some 300,000 Croats were murdered after WW2 finished as partisan reprisals.

Much of this has been written about by Nikolai Tolstoy, particularly in his book "The Minister and The Massacres", which is excellent background reading for anyone wishing to read more on this and the connivance of British political and military authorities in sending refugees into the hands of Communists and on to their deaths, after the Communist bandits had smashed any gold teeth out of their victims mouths with a hammer. His previous book, "Victims of Yalta" also leads up to this by way of introduction and, a few years before that, Lord Nicholas Bethell wrote "The Last Secret" which opened the area that people now recognize as the British complicity in these war crimes by the Communists. The Bethell book features on the cover a painting by a Cossack of Russian refugees in Austria being beaten up by British soldiers to force them to go to the USSR, and some were not even born there.

A blot on British history, and, in popular culture, briefly alluded to in the James Bond film 'Goldeneye' where there is a character who is an orphan of Lienz refugees. Further into popular sporting culture, it is why Partizan foorball team will never have any kind of substantial popular support in Serbian diaspora, just because of the name.

Ironically, the British allowed 8000 Ukrainian SS Galicia Division troops as refugees just on a 'trust' basis in an interview for each soldier to ask them if they had been bad. Nobody in the British military - perhaps deliberately? - thought to ask them to strip off their shirts and raise their left arms to show the (SS) tattoos for blood types. So many of them went on to Canada, home of saints and with no war criminals in the population. The latter part of that last sentence is, of course, ironic.

These "murders" are no secret and the mass graves were no secrets nor were these the murder of "Nazi collaborators" as they included whole families - mothers & their children and grandparents. This is a episode that many who helped assist in the Communist genocide against all those who wanted a free and democratic Yugoslavia would rather remains a secret and that includes the British officers in Austria who sent the anti-communist Yugoslavs forces and family members back to the murder squads of Tito on trains which the British Senior officers lied and said was going to Italy.

- this not a secret nor a unknown mass grave but an example of the truth finally being given light from those who have decevied and continue to deceive especially with regards to the recent turmoil that has befallen former Yugoslavia.

There is not much of a difference between hard line Communist ,Nazis and Nationalist. The millions of there victims can testify of there insane pogroms of madness and murderous lunacy. They should be all condemned and there supporters.

serbian and also montenegrin chetniks, people who were loyal to the kingdom and basically picked their side in the war because they were anticommunist and there was no other choice were also killed in slovenia in 1945 immediately after the war. some who survived were captured by the british and turned over to the russians who were in austria. then russians transferred some of them to labor camps in siberia. this is according to the international red cross letter sent to my family about the fate of my grandfather. he died in a russian labor or shall we say death camp in 1946.

Much of this has been written about by Nikolai Tolstoy, particularly in his book "The Minister and The Massacres", which is excellent background reading for anyone wishing to read more on this and the connivance of British political and military authorities in sending refugees into the hands of Communists and on to their deaths, after the Communist bandits had smashed any gold teeth out of their victims mouths with a hammer. His previous book, "Victims of Yalta" also leads up to this by way of introduction and, a few years before that, Lord Nicholas Bethell wrote "The Last Secret" which opened the area that people now recognize as the British complicity in these war crimes by the Communists. The Bethell book features on the cover a painting by a Cossack of Russian refugees in Austria being beaten up by British soldiers to force them to go to the USSR, and some were not even born there.

A blot on British history, and, in popular culture, briefly alluded to in the James Bond film 'Goldeneye' where there is a character who is an orphan of Lienz refugees. Further into popular sporting culture, it is why Partizan foorball team will never have any kind of substantial popular support in Serbian diaspora, just because of the name.

Ironically, the British allowed 8000 Ukrainian SS Galicia Division troops as refugees just on a 'trust' basis in an interview for each soldier to ask them if they had been bad. Nobody in the British military - perhaps deliberately? - thought to ask them to strip off their shirts and raise their left arms to show the (SS) tattoos for blood types. So many of them went on to Canada, home of saints and with no war criminals in the population. The latter part of that last sentence is, of course, ironic.

Many of these mass graves can also be found in the Kočevje region. My father and grandparents were born in the region then known as Gottschee (Kočevje is the Slovenian name), and the entire community that had lived there for over 600 years had to flee after the war on account of being seen as Nazi collaborators. Those that made it out (roughly one half to two thirds) reached Austria. When we went back there last summer, the village my father was born in had completely disappeared - overgrown by nature. Tito's Partisans used the mountains of the Gottschee region as other places for his mass killings. While these graves hold the remains of many Ustasha, they also hold the remains of many Volkdeutsche, both from Kočevje and from the Novi Sad region.

It would be most interesting if they could ever get any names of the dead. As far as I know they haven't gotten an identities. Perhaps to much is lost and destroyed at this point. But anti-communists were also the target of Tito and those included many Serbs. He fought fiercest against the Chetniks who were his #1 enemy during the war, and he did continue to kill these Serbs (many of whom were forceably returned to Yugoslavia) after the war's end. So simply saying they were mostly Ustasha or Montenegrins without good evidence (names, for example) is rather too much guesswork and assuming.

I strongly believe that the recent wars in the Balkans were a continuation of what occurred during WWII.

Ida, why spoil the fragile script? Stating that Serbs were the victims of extermination, even 60 years ago, can ruin fragile "Serbs are Nazis" propaganda theme.

Historical record clearly shows that Chetniks were not Nazi collaborators. The reason for treir mass murder in Slovenia is ether:

a) ideological
b) their ethnic origin.

Although some Chetniks were Slovenes, Croats, Muslims and Montenegrins, the bulk were Serbs.

Prof. Rummel coined the term "democide" to describe cases of mass slaughter of ideological adversaries. Genocide applies if Chetiniks were murdered for being Serbs.

Also, it is quite telling that Slovene octagenarians are aftaid of reprisals even today. It shows that Slovenia may be in EU, but the reins od power are still in the old hands. This is scary part.

Its a known fact that more than 80% of the dead were Croats, some where Ustasha but many were innocent civilians that withdrew in fear of communism, the partisans, the Soviets, etc.

Similar mass graves exist in Croatia. One of the largest is Jazovka in northern Croatia.

And some say the Croats didn't pay the price for siding with the Germans. All in all, some 300,000 Croats were murdered after WW2 finished as partisan reprisals.