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Monday, 22.10.2007.

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Fifteen year commemoration of Sjeverin crime

Today marks 15 years since the kidnapping and murder of 16 Serbian citizens from Sjeverin.

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Markane

pre 16 godina

Ratko killing a Serb at a wedding doesn't constitiute mass murder across the whole of Bosnia. How could one muslim start a Bosnian war? Offically the war started in Bijeljina in early 92' with Serb tigers on a killing spree of local muslims.

Roger7

pre 16 godina

Victor,
I was not comparing any conflicts, I was addressing your dangerous attitude of collective guilt.
Were the crimes by the Ustache accomplished in the name of all Croats, were all the crimes of the Nazi's accomplished in the name of all Germans?
I would tell you that an entire society is not guilty for the chosen behavior of a few.

Regarding the military action of the US you stated that ... "They act as if they were the 'Gendarme de la planète'.
(Victor, 9. September 2007"
It seems that whenever it fits your needs you can quickly change your opinion.

Ratko

pre 16 godina

"And all Iraqis will never forget that the American people set them free, and chase the mad dictator. All Americans can be proud of what their troops have accomplished in Iraq. Of course, a few committed atrocities, and they were sentenced for what they did! Unfortunately, the Serb troops destroyed entire villages in Bosnia. You just cannot compared these two conflicts.
(Victor, 22. October 2007 18:54) "

victor,

Most of your comments really amaze me. Like the one above for example. You mention a few attrocities committed by americans in Iraq and make it seem like it was nothing. How do you know exaclty it was only a few attrocities? Do you think they will all end up on CNN? Do you know the amount of civillians killed in Iraq so far?

What really made me laugh is the line where victor wrote, "And all Iraqis will never forget that the American people set them free." Did you go to Iraq and ask the people if they feel the same way? What kind of freedom are you talking about? Is it the daily civil warafe that people have to live with?

Then you mention Serbs destroyed entire villages in Bosna. Well yes victor, you are right. There is no way to comapre these 2 because america on the other hand, has destroyed the whole country of Iraq for years to come. What a shame. americans need to be ashamed of what their government has done, and keeps on doing.

Pijetro

pre 16 godina

Victor,

Might i ask you WHERE in the world did you learn what you know??
It's astounding that somebody who comes to a relatively educated board, can be so misinformed, opinionated and prejudgemental..

Please, have a look around you. Chances are, any Serb living near you in the blessed country of Canada, is a result of everything you claim only the other side does...

Please mods, i understand there's a fine line between free speech and censorship, but please, can somebody at least try and give him a warning or something??

Like a hockey penalty box...
Stupid statements get you five time outs or something like that...

Thx....

ida

pre 16 godina

"Unfortunately, the Serb troops destroyed entire villages in Bosnia."

Nothing like Fallujah and other population centers in Iraq which had far more deaths and destruction and a greater percentage of women and children.

Latest I read was that around 1,000,000 Iraq civilians were killed and it still isn't over.

There is no peace in Iraq and there are millions of refugees and displace people. The people are dying 10,000 times greater than when Saddam ruled.

vrnjak

pre 16 godina

"And all Iraqis will never forget that the American people set them free, and chase the mad dictator."

All of Iraq has been turned on its head precisely because the Iraq people don't approve of foreign occupation. Just ask American servicemen. Americans continue to die every day for the Bushs' oil dynasty.

Secondly, Milan Lukic didn't get the entire Serbian nation's approval to commit his heinous acts. He embarrassed Serbs. But, his actions do not come close to mitigating the full gravity of WWII atrocities committed upon Serbs by Nazi-puppet Croats, Bosnian Muslims & Kosovo Albanians; not even close. Lets not lose perspective.

Victor

pre 16 godina

«So, "all Americans" should not forget what has been accomplished in their name in Iraq?»

And all Iraqis will never forget that the American people set them free, and chase the mad dictator. All Americans can be proud of what their troops have accomplished in Iraq. Of course, a few committed atrocities, and they were sentenced for what they did! Unfortunately, the Serb troops destroyed entire villages in Bosnia. You just cannot compared these two conflicts.

Pijetro

pre 16 godina

Lenarnd wrote:
"They were paid ,financed ,supported ,armed by Serbia and blessed by the Serbian church. "

I highly doubt it..
Since when was an entity that has been prosecuted since WW2 get all this new found money and weaponry to create these evil deeds??
Unless of course, it was Vatican money that got rerouted from Croat strongholds..

Funny how you're able to rewrite history, and wrongfully return lies...

Roger7

pre 16 godina

Victor says..."I hope that all Serbs don't forget what has been accomplished in their name."

As usual, your phrase 'all Serbs" clearly shows your chronic crusade preaching the dangerous thinking of collective guilt.

So, "all Americans" should not forget what has been accomplished in their name in Iraq? How ridiculous!

Ratko

pre 16 godina

victor,

And I hope that all croatians don't also forget what has been accomplished in their name.

The Serbs are the ones who have been the most ethnically clensed people out of all ethnicities. Just alone from croatia - hundreds of thousands have been clensed and were never allowed to return.

lenard,

Are you aware that the muslims are the ones who started the conflict in Bosna? You remember who was shot at a Serbian wedding?

Lenarnd

pre 16 godina

Thats the Serbian heroes how murdered tens of thousands of unarmed civilians. Brutally sadistically ethnic cleansed over a million civilians. There were and still are dozens of groups like them how got there marching orders from Serbia. They were paid ,financed ,supported ,armed by Serbia and blessed by the Serbian church. Before they went out to do there murderous evil deeds. That is what Srpska entity in Bosnia is founded on the 10s of thousands of murdered life's.

Victor

pre 16 godina

Milan Lukic is also the one responsible for the death of 131 women and children who were herded in one house in Visegrad and burned alive.

This crime is worse than the Sjeverin crime.

During the war in Bosnia, there were paramilitary units and local militias who went in every village and killed without discrimination men, women and men.

I hope that all Serbs don't forget what has been accomplished in their name.

Lenarnd

pre 16 godina

Thats the Serbian heroes how murdered tens of thousands of unarmed civilians. Brutally sadistically ethnic cleansed over a million civilians. There were and still are dozens of groups like them how got there marching orders from Serbia. They were paid ,financed ,supported ,armed by Serbia and blessed by the Serbian church. Before they went out to do there murderous evil deeds. That is what Srpska entity in Bosnia is founded on the 10s of thousands of murdered life's.

Victor

pre 16 godina

Milan Lukic is also the one responsible for the death of 131 women and children who were herded in one house in Visegrad and burned alive.

This crime is worse than the Sjeverin crime.

During the war in Bosnia, there were paramilitary units and local militias who went in every village and killed without discrimination men, women and men.

I hope that all Serbs don't forget what has been accomplished in their name.

Roger7

pre 16 godina

Victor says..."I hope that all Serbs don't forget what has been accomplished in their name."

As usual, your phrase 'all Serbs" clearly shows your chronic crusade preaching the dangerous thinking of collective guilt.

So, "all Americans" should not forget what has been accomplished in their name in Iraq? How ridiculous!

Roger7

pre 16 godina

Victor,
I was not comparing any conflicts, I was addressing your dangerous attitude of collective guilt.
Were the crimes by the Ustache accomplished in the name of all Croats, were all the crimes of the Nazi's accomplished in the name of all Germans?
I would tell you that an entire society is not guilty for the chosen behavior of a few.

Regarding the military action of the US you stated that ... "They act as if they were the 'Gendarme de la planète'.
(Victor, 9. September 2007"
It seems that whenever it fits your needs you can quickly change your opinion.

Ratko

pre 16 godina

victor,

And I hope that all croatians don't also forget what has been accomplished in their name.

The Serbs are the ones who have been the most ethnically clensed people out of all ethnicities. Just alone from croatia - hundreds of thousands have been clensed and were never allowed to return.

lenard,

Are you aware that the muslims are the ones who started the conflict in Bosna? You remember who was shot at a Serbian wedding?

Victor

pre 16 godina

«So, "all Americans" should not forget what has been accomplished in their name in Iraq?»

And all Iraqis will never forget that the American people set them free, and chase the mad dictator. All Americans can be proud of what their troops have accomplished in Iraq. Of course, a few committed atrocities, and they were sentenced for what they did! Unfortunately, the Serb troops destroyed entire villages in Bosnia. You just cannot compared these two conflicts.

Pijetro

pre 16 godina

Lenarnd wrote:
"They were paid ,financed ,supported ,armed by Serbia and blessed by the Serbian church. "

I highly doubt it..
Since when was an entity that has been prosecuted since WW2 get all this new found money and weaponry to create these evil deeds??
Unless of course, it was Vatican money that got rerouted from Croat strongholds..

Funny how you're able to rewrite history, and wrongfully return lies...

vrnjak

pre 16 godina

"And all Iraqis will never forget that the American people set them free, and chase the mad dictator."

All of Iraq has been turned on its head precisely because the Iraq people don't approve of foreign occupation. Just ask American servicemen. Americans continue to die every day for the Bushs' oil dynasty.

Secondly, Milan Lukic didn't get the entire Serbian nation's approval to commit his heinous acts. He embarrassed Serbs. But, his actions do not come close to mitigating the full gravity of WWII atrocities committed upon Serbs by Nazi-puppet Croats, Bosnian Muslims & Kosovo Albanians; not even close. Lets not lose perspective.

Ratko

pre 16 godina

"And all Iraqis will never forget that the American people set them free, and chase the mad dictator. All Americans can be proud of what their troops have accomplished in Iraq. Of course, a few committed atrocities, and they were sentenced for what they did! Unfortunately, the Serb troops destroyed entire villages in Bosnia. You just cannot compared these two conflicts.
(Victor, 22. October 2007 18:54) "

victor,

Most of your comments really amaze me. Like the one above for example. You mention a few attrocities committed by americans in Iraq and make it seem like it was nothing. How do you know exaclty it was only a few attrocities? Do you think they will all end up on CNN? Do you know the amount of civillians killed in Iraq so far?

What really made me laugh is the line where victor wrote, "And all Iraqis will never forget that the American people set them free." Did you go to Iraq and ask the people if they feel the same way? What kind of freedom are you talking about? Is it the daily civil warafe that people have to live with?

Then you mention Serbs destroyed entire villages in Bosna. Well yes victor, you are right. There is no way to comapre these 2 because america on the other hand, has destroyed the whole country of Iraq for years to come. What a shame. americans need to be ashamed of what their government has done, and keeps on doing.

Pijetro

pre 16 godina

Victor,

Might i ask you WHERE in the world did you learn what you know??
It's astounding that somebody who comes to a relatively educated board, can be so misinformed, opinionated and prejudgemental..

Please, have a look around you. Chances are, any Serb living near you in the blessed country of Canada, is a result of everything you claim only the other side does...

Please mods, i understand there's a fine line between free speech and censorship, but please, can somebody at least try and give him a warning or something??

Like a hockey penalty box...
Stupid statements get you five time outs or something like that...

Thx....

ida

pre 16 godina

"Unfortunately, the Serb troops destroyed entire villages in Bosnia."

Nothing like Fallujah and other population centers in Iraq which had far more deaths and destruction and a greater percentage of women and children.

Latest I read was that around 1,000,000 Iraq civilians were killed and it still isn't over.

There is no peace in Iraq and there are millions of refugees and displace people. The people are dying 10,000 times greater than when Saddam ruled.

Markane

pre 16 godina

Ratko killing a Serb at a wedding doesn't constitiute mass murder across the whole of Bosnia. How could one muslim start a Bosnian war? Offically the war started in Bijeljina in early 92' with Serb tigers on a killing spree of local muslims.

Ratko

pre 16 godina

victor,

And I hope that all croatians don't also forget what has been accomplished in their name.

The Serbs are the ones who have been the most ethnically clensed people out of all ethnicities. Just alone from croatia - hundreds of thousands have been clensed and were never allowed to return.

lenard,

Are you aware that the muslims are the ones who started the conflict in Bosna? You remember who was shot at a Serbian wedding?

Victor

pre 16 godina

«So, "all Americans" should not forget what has been accomplished in their name in Iraq?»

And all Iraqis will never forget that the American people set them free, and chase the mad dictator. All Americans can be proud of what their troops have accomplished in Iraq. Of course, a few committed atrocities, and they were sentenced for what they did! Unfortunately, the Serb troops destroyed entire villages in Bosnia. You just cannot compared these two conflicts.

Victor

pre 16 godina

Milan Lukic is also the one responsible for the death of 131 women and children who were herded in one house in Visegrad and burned alive.

This crime is worse than the Sjeverin crime.

During the war in Bosnia, there were paramilitary units and local militias who went in every village and killed without discrimination men, women and men.

I hope that all Serbs don't forget what has been accomplished in their name.

Lenarnd

pre 16 godina

Thats the Serbian heroes how murdered tens of thousands of unarmed civilians. Brutally sadistically ethnic cleansed over a million civilians. There were and still are dozens of groups like them how got there marching orders from Serbia. They were paid ,financed ,supported ,armed by Serbia and blessed by the Serbian church. Before they went out to do there murderous evil deeds. That is what Srpska entity in Bosnia is founded on the 10s of thousands of murdered life's.

vrnjak

pre 16 godina

"And all Iraqis will never forget that the American people set them free, and chase the mad dictator."

All of Iraq has been turned on its head precisely because the Iraq people don't approve of foreign occupation. Just ask American servicemen. Americans continue to die every day for the Bushs' oil dynasty.

Secondly, Milan Lukic didn't get the entire Serbian nation's approval to commit his heinous acts. He embarrassed Serbs. But, his actions do not come close to mitigating the full gravity of WWII atrocities committed upon Serbs by Nazi-puppet Croats, Bosnian Muslims & Kosovo Albanians; not even close. Lets not lose perspective.

Roger7

pre 16 godina

Victor says..."I hope that all Serbs don't forget what has been accomplished in their name."

As usual, your phrase 'all Serbs" clearly shows your chronic crusade preaching the dangerous thinking of collective guilt.

So, "all Americans" should not forget what has been accomplished in their name in Iraq? How ridiculous!

Pijetro

pre 16 godina

Lenarnd wrote:
"They were paid ,financed ,supported ,armed by Serbia and blessed by the Serbian church. "

I highly doubt it..
Since when was an entity that has been prosecuted since WW2 get all this new found money and weaponry to create these evil deeds??
Unless of course, it was Vatican money that got rerouted from Croat strongholds..

Funny how you're able to rewrite history, and wrongfully return lies...

Ratko

pre 16 godina

"And all Iraqis will never forget that the American people set them free, and chase the mad dictator. All Americans can be proud of what their troops have accomplished in Iraq. Of course, a few committed atrocities, and they were sentenced for what they did! Unfortunately, the Serb troops destroyed entire villages in Bosnia. You just cannot compared these two conflicts.
(Victor, 22. October 2007 18:54) "

victor,

Most of your comments really amaze me. Like the one above for example. You mention a few attrocities committed by americans in Iraq and make it seem like it was nothing. How do you know exaclty it was only a few attrocities? Do you think they will all end up on CNN? Do you know the amount of civillians killed in Iraq so far?

What really made me laugh is the line where victor wrote, "And all Iraqis will never forget that the American people set them free." Did you go to Iraq and ask the people if they feel the same way? What kind of freedom are you talking about? Is it the daily civil warafe that people have to live with?

Then you mention Serbs destroyed entire villages in Bosna. Well yes victor, you are right. There is no way to comapre these 2 because america on the other hand, has destroyed the whole country of Iraq for years to come. What a shame. americans need to be ashamed of what their government has done, and keeps on doing.

Pijetro

pre 16 godina

Victor,

Might i ask you WHERE in the world did you learn what you know??
It's astounding that somebody who comes to a relatively educated board, can be so misinformed, opinionated and prejudgemental..

Please, have a look around you. Chances are, any Serb living near you in the blessed country of Canada, is a result of everything you claim only the other side does...

Please mods, i understand there's a fine line between free speech and censorship, but please, can somebody at least try and give him a warning or something??

Like a hockey penalty box...
Stupid statements get you five time outs or something like that...

Thx....

ida

pre 16 godina

"Unfortunately, the Serb troops destroyed entire villages in Bosnia."

Nothing like Fallujah and other population centers in Iraq which had far more deaths and destruction and a greater percentage of women and children.

Latest I read was that around 1,000,000 Iraq civilians were killed and it still isn't over.

There is no peace in Iraq and there are millions of refugees and displace people. The people are dying 10,000 times greater than when Saddam ruled.

Roger7

pre 16 godina

Victor,
I was not comparing any conflicts, I was addressing your dangerous attitude of collective guilt.
Were the crimes by the Ustache accomplished in the name of all Croats, were all the crimes of the Nazi's accomplished in the name of all Germans?
I would tell you that an entire society is not guilty for the chosen behavior of a few.

Regarding the military action of the US you stated that ... "They act as if they were the 'Gendarme de la planète'.
(Victor, 9. September 2007"
It seems that whenever it fits your needs you can quickly change your opinion.

Markane

pre 16 godina

Ratko killing a Serb at a wedding doesn't constitiute mass murder across the whole of Bosnia. How could one muslim start a Bosnian war? Offically the war started in Bijeljina in early 92' with Serb tigers on a killing spree of local muslims.