Del Ponte: Haradinaj is guilty

to the albanian posters here:

my dear friends...

by raising doubts in the guilt of the professional bouncer haradinaj... although Mrs. Del Ponte won´t make these remarks without having iron-hard proof...

you´re only making yourselves even more incredible than you already are.

you will certainly try to sell us that haradinaj is an intellectual, an angel without any bad records...right?

I am not a lawyer but, according to all the reports made by agencies such as AI, HRW and others, Haradinaj is guilty of war crimes just as Oric, and many others Albanians. The Serbs were not the only villains during the war. Ms Del Ponte knows this and this comment of hers wants to show precisely that there were criminals on all sides.

Ahmet Isufi, Lili, EA and all the other Albanian posters here, by your own logic Mladic and Karadzic are also innocent.

"I am losing witnesses on all sides in the case against Haradinaj,” she said.
Is that a sign that Del Ponte has failed on so-called Haradinaj case? Or is she desperate?
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No, it is due to witnesses being MURDERED or scared off, which is testiment to the mafia/terror of those who don't toe the Kosovo-majority pro-KLA agenda which governs Kosovo today.

Witnesses are threatened with death - both them and their families - and some have been killed over the last several years. That is severe fascism - when people who speak or believe otherwise are killed.

And most of the murdered are ethnic Albanian witnesses, as he killed several Albanians too.

So when Del Ponte points the finger at Mladic, Serbs shout and Albanians cheer. When Del Ponte points the finger at Haradinaj, Serbs cheer, and Albanians yell. It's so easy to pick out the predicatable nationalists on this site sometimes.

Victor, you're the only one who sticks to his guns here, and you're right: Mladic and Haradinaj are two of a kind. The only difference is Mladic is still holed up somewhere, while Haradinaj is using the Hague as a form of cheap publicity for himself, which makes him more like Seselj than Mladic.

It took her long enough!

I am sorry carla but is not for you to decide the guilt. You as a prosecutor have to present evidence behoynd resnoble doubt and defense attorneys part is to proov you wrong and than the Panel of Judges assigned during the trial will decide the verdict.
You are not loosing witnessess becasue they are being threatened , but you are loosing all albanian witnessess , because at one time Ibrahim rugova and his staff couched these so called witnessess to lie against Ramush. Now these people have come to its sense that they were dubbed against KLA Commander responsible for Dugagjini AOR.

Victor, you're the only one who sticks to his guns here, and you're right: it's so easy to pick out the predicatable nationalists on this site sometimes. ''

I try to be objective: a war criminal is a war criminal; no matter his ethnicity or his name. Milosevic, Tudjman and Izetbegovic were theee of a kind: nationalists who closed their eyes on the worst atrocities since WW2. Tens of thousands of civilians were massacred only because they were Serbs, Croats and Bosniak Muslims; and this had nothing to do with their political views.

'There is no comparison whatsoever.''

I don't agre. The three are war criminals because they did not stop kiling of civilians when they have the duty and morale obligation to do so. Hemce, they are more responsible than the perpetrators.

"I am losing witnesses on all sides in the case against Haradinaj,” she said.
Is that a sign that Del Ponte has failed on so-called Haradinaj case? Or is she desperate?

Two points:

1. - Tanjug's report is wrong to suggest that Haradinaj is being allowed to engage in political campaigning while on temporary release. Like a number of other Hague indictees (including Serbs), Haradinaj has been allowed home to attend a funeral. Under the terms of his temporary release, he is forbidden from making political speeches or giving media interviews. Haradinaj's name has been put on the ballot by his political party (also not a first for a Hague indictee), but under the rules of detention he is not allowed to campaign.

2. - A prosecutor would not bring charges against a person unless the prosecutor believed she had sufficient evidence to convict the accused. As such, Del Ponte is just stating the obvious when she says that she believes she has the evidence that proves Haradinaj is guilty. In the same way, Haradinaj's defense lawyers have publicly stated that they have evidence that their client is entirely innocent. That is normal. It is only the judges in the case who are obliged to refrain from making any statements about the guilt or innocence of an accused, until the trial is over and both sides have presented their evidence in court.

So,why do we need a judgement,Mme has decided!
She just forgets that as long as the judges do not say he is guilty,haradinaj is not guilty!
in any judiciary process ,her declarations would only invalid the judgement ,strange she does not know that?

Jovan, Ida and other
Kosovar Albanians are waiting patiently the Court verdict. Let's wait and see
I know that you are desperate to compare the scale of any crimes committed by the Serbian State to any individual one committed by Kosovar Albanians. That is where the Serbs get things wrong.

PB,
Do you know that Haridinaj made himself available to the Court to answer the charges? Mladic and Karadzic are still at large in Serbia. There is no comparison whatsoever.

"you will certainly try to sell us that haradinaj is an intellectual, an angel withoutany badrecords.right?"

Nope. Albanians don't have to sell you or any Serb or European @ Haradinaj's record. The court is doing a fine job all by itself. :))

Victor, you are wrong. The reason why is because one of the three, Milosevic, had nothing to do with it. He even went against the serbs in BiH. As for Kosmet, that was self defense from terrorism. What happened after the bombing started was the overwhelming amount of the things in the kosmet war, and those things were a predictable consequence of the bombing. It was out of Milosevic's control, once NATO started bombing. NATO did not help anyone.

As to ahmet isuft, what you said is disgraceful and is the equivalent of saying that one is not to judge if hitler was bad. Of course he was, and of course Haradinaj was bad.

Two points.

1.) To those who claim that Haradinaj is 'murdering' witnesses. Name one. Come on now, be specific, don't just settle for rumours and innuendo. Find just one witness that you can reliably claim was killed by Haradinaj, or on his orders. Don't worry, I won't hold my breath.

2.) What happened in the Kosovo conflict was this, as far as I can tell. Firstly a very small group of men began to smuggle weapons into Kosovo in order to prepare for a violent uprising against what can charitably be described as an apartheid regime. Now this is morally debatable, but many of the worlds countries started out in this way, and in any case, it does not justify the disproportionate response of the government, who carried out several 'operations' in early 1998 that left upwards of 70 civilians dead. Collateral damage in an anti-terrorist action? One may make that claim, but regardless, these acts so terrified the Albanian population that the majority of able-bodied men took up arms to defend themselves and their villages. The government forces then began to attack any village harbouring KLA 'terrorists', ignoring or not understanding the fact that prior to March '98, there had been less than 30 KLA in Western Kosovo, and the ten thousand or so who they were now fighting were a civil defense militia, untrained, poorly armed and disorganised. From this point, one might argue, war was inevitable.
Haradinaj is not charged with personal responsibility for murder, rape torture, or any of the other crimes. The prosecution never alleges that he personally pulled the trigger. Is he guilty of crimes committed by those under him? I don't know. The trial is supposed to show us. But please, for the sake of the future of your country, pay attention to the facts, the context, and don't simply believe what someone on the street has told you. If Haradinaj is in fact acquitted, as it looks increasingly likely that he will be, wouldn't it be nice if you knew why?

«Milosevic, had nothing to do with it. He even went against the serbs in BiH.»

Milosevic was the architect of the 'joint criminal enterprise'. Milosevic could have opposed Karadzic and nothing of this would have happened. Milosevic is even more responsible fro the destruction of Yugoslavia than Tudjman and Ize.

To Rob: Tahir Zemaj was a witness against Haradinaj who was assassinated in an attack which also killed his nephew and son.

As for your outline, you leave out the KLA training and supply bases in northern Albania and Macedonia. You leave out that civilian Serbs (including children) were being kidnapped and murdered by the KLA, not just Serb police.

You leave out that the KLA and Albanians were selling drugs heavily in Europe and even America years before 1998 to raise money for their war.

You leave out that Albanians threw grenades in cafes and killed Serb teens in late 1998.

You leave out the terror Albanians subjected Serbs to in the 1970's and 1980's which caused many to leave. The Yugoslav government forbid Serbs to talk about what was going on there.

A New York Times article from the 1980's told just how severe the tension was and the violence Albanians perpetrated against Serbs.

Albanians have a major network over Europe and Britain in white slavery and drugs. They control 80% of the prostitution in Soho and the money is often set to the Balkans to buy weapons for their uprisings in Kosovo and Macedonia.

They are not a multi-ethnic people and were determined to have Kosovo all to themselves.

You leave out their systematic attacks on Roma and the kidnappings, torture, murder and disappearances they perpetrated on them.

Some Roma have complained of the names of their compatriots, killed by the KLA, showing up on the Albanian lists as Albanians missings. Many Kosovo Roma spoke Albanian and had Albanian names but it did not stop the Albanians from murdering them.

ida,

Tahir Zemaj was NEVER a witness against Haradinaj. He was interviewed by ICTY investigators, but never agreed to testify. It is theorectically possible that he may have done, if he had not been gunned down in an incident that occurred before Haradinaj had even been indicted, and which has never been linked to Haradinaj himself, except in rumour.

As for the rest of your post, since I see that you have ignored my exhortations not to engage in the perpetuation of rumour and propaganda, I see no need to engage with you upon them. I am not interested in a point-by-point listing of every personal greivance you carry against the Albanian population of a province that you, in all likelihood, have never even visited.

I am sorry carla but is not for you to decide the guilt. You as a prosecutor have to present evidence behoynd resnoble doubt and defense attorneys part is to proov you wrong and than the Panel of Judges assigned during the trial will decide the verdict.
You are not loosing witnessess becasue they are being threatened , but you are loosing all albanian witnessess , because at one time Ibrahim rugova and his staff couched these so called witnessess to lie against Ramush. Now these people have come to its sense that they were dubbed against KLA Commander responsible for Dugagjini AOR.

Jovan, Ida and other
Kosovar Albanians are waiting patiently the Court verdict. Let's wait and see
I know that you are desperate to compare the scale of any crimes committed by the Serbian State to any individual one committed by Kosovar Albanians. That is where the Serbs get things wrong.

So,why do we need a judgement,Mme has decided!
She just forgets that as long as the judges do not say he is guilty,haradinaj is not guilty!
in any judiciary process ,her declarations would only invalid the judgement ,strange she does not know that?

I am not a lawyer but, according to all the reports made by agencies such as AI, HRW and others, Haradinaj is guilty of war crimes just as Oric, and many others Albanians. The Serbs were not the only villains during the war. Ms Del Ponte knows this and this comment of hers wants to show precisely that there were criminals on all sides.

"I am losing witnesses on all sides in the case against Haradinaj,” she said.
Is that a sign that Del Ponte has failed on so-called Haradinaj case? Or is she desperate?

PB,
Do you know that Haridinaj made himself available to the Court to answer the charges? Mladic and Karadzic are still at large in Serbia. There is no comparison whatsoever.

It took her long enough!

Victor, you're the only one who sticks to his guns here, and you're right: it's so easy to pick out the predicatable nationalists on this site sometimes. ''

I try to be objective: a war criminal is a war criminal; no matter his ethnicity or his name. Milosevic, Tudjman and Izetbegovic were theee of a kind: nationalists who closed their eyes on the worst atrocities since WW2. Tens of thousands of civilians were massacred only because they were Serbs, Croats and Bosniak Muslims; and this had nothing to do with their political views.

to the albanian posters here:

my dear friends...

by raising doubts in the guilt of the professional bouncer haradinaj... although Mrs. Del Ponte won´t make these remarks without having iron-hard proof...

you´re only making yourselves even more incredible than you already are.

you will certainly try to sell us that haradinaj is an intellectual, an angel without any bad records...right?

Two points:

1. - Tanjug's report is wrong to suggest that Haradinaj is being allowed to engage in political campaigning while on temporary release. Like a number of other Hague indictees (including Serbs), Haradinaj has been allowed home to attend a funeral. Under the terms of his temporary release, he is forbidden from making political speeches or giving media interviews. Haradinaj's name has been put on the ballot by his political party (also not a first for a Hague indictee), but under the rules of detention he is not allowed to campaign.

2. - A prosecutor would not bring charges against a person unless the prosecutor believed she had sufficient evidence to convict the accused. As such, Del Ponte is just stating the obvious when she says that she believes she has the evidence that proves Haradinaj is guilty. In the same way, Haradinaj's defense lawyers have publicly stated that they have evidence that their client is entirely innocent. That is normal. It is only the judges in the case who are obliged to refrain from making any statements about the guilt or innocence of an accused, until the trial is over and both sides have presented their evidence in court.

"I am losing witnesses on all sides in the case against Haradinaj,” she said.
Is that a sign that Del Ponte has failed on so-called Haradinaj case? Or is she desperate?
_________________

No, it is due to witnesses being MURDERED or scared off, which is testiment to the mafia/terror of those who don't toe the Kosovo-majority pro-KLA agenda which governs Kosovo today.

Witnesses are threatened with death - both them and their families - and some have been killed over the last several years. That is severe fascism - when people who speak or believe otherwise are killed.

And most of the murdered are ethnic Albanian witnesses, as he killed several Albanians too.

So when Del Ponte points the finger at Mladic, Serbs shout and Albanians cheer. When Del Ponte points the finger at Haradinaj, Serbs cheer, and Albanians yell. It's so easy to pick out the predicatable nationalists on this site sometimes.

Victor, you're the only one who sticks to his guns here, and you're right: Mladic and Haradinaj are two of a kind. The only difference is Mladic is still holed up somewhere, while Haradinaj is using the Hague as a form of cheap publicity for himself, which makes him more like Seselj than Mladic.

Ahmet Isufi, Lili, EA and all the other Albanian posters here, by your own logic Mladic and Karadzic are also innocent.

"you will certainly try to sell us that haradinaj is an intellectual, an angel withoutany badrecords.right?"

Nope. Albanians don't have to sell you or any Serb or European @ Haradinaj's record. The court is doing a fine job all by itself. :))

'There is no comparison whatsoever.''

I don't agre. The three are war criminals because they did not stop kiling of civilians when they have the duty and morale obligation to do so. Hemce, they are more responsible than the perpetrators.

Victor, you are wrong. The reason why is because one of the three, Milosevic, had nothing to do with it. He even went against the serbs in BiH. As for Kosmet, that was self defense from terrorism. What happened after the bombing started was the overwhelming amount of the things in the kosmet war, and those things were a predictable consequence of the bombing. It was out of Milosevic's control, once NATO started bombing. NATO did not help anyone.

As to ahmet isuft, what you said is disgraceful and is the equivalent of saying that one is not to judge if hitler was bad. Of course he was, and of course Haradinaj was bad.

Two points.

1.) To those who claim that Haradinaj is 'murdering' witnesses. Name one. Come on now, be specific, don't just settle for rumours and innuendo. Find just one witness that you can reliably claim was killed by Haradinaj, or on his orders. Don't worry, I won't hold my breath.

2.) What happened in the Kosovo conflict was this, as far as I can tell. Firstly a very small group of men began to smuggle weapons into Kosovo in order to prepare for a violent uprising against what can charitably be described as an apartheid regime. Now this is morally debatable, but many of the worlds countries started out in this way, and in any case, it does not justify the disproportionate response of the government, who carried out several 'operations' in early 1998 that left upwards of 70 civilians dead. Collateral damage in an anti-terrorist action? One may make that claim, but regardless, these acts so terrified the Albanian population that the majority of able-bodied men took up arms to defend themselves and their villages. The government forces then began to attack any village harbouring KLA 'terrorists', ignoring or not understanding the fact that prior to March '98, there had been less than 30 KLA in Western Kosovo, and the ten thousand or so who they were now fighting were a civil defense militia, untrained, poorly armed and disorganised. From this point, one might argue, war was inevitable.
Haradinaj is not charged with personal responsibility for murder, rape torture, or any of the other crimes. The prosecution never alleges that he personally pulled the trigger. Is he guilty of crimes committed by those under him? I don't know. The trial is supposed to show us. But please, for the sake of the future of your country, pay attention to the facts, the context, and don't simply believe what someone on the street has told you. If Haradinaj is in fact acquitted, as it looks increasingly likely that he will be, wouldn't it be nice if you knew why?

«Milosevic, had nothing to do with it. He even went against the serbs in BiH.»

Milosevic was the architect of the 'joint criminal enterprise'. Milosevic could have opposed Karadzic and nothing of this would have happened. Milosevic is even more responsible fro the destruction of Yugoslavia than Tudjman and Ize.

To Rob: Tahir Zemaj was a witness against Haradinaj who was assassinated in an attack which also killed his nephew and son.

As for your outline, you leave out the KLA training and supply bases in northern Albania and Macedonia. You leave out that civilian Serbs (including children) were being kidnapped and murdered by the KLA, not just Serb police.

You leave out that the KLA and Albanians were selling drugs heavily in Europe and even America years before 1998 to raise money for their war.

You leave out that Albanians threw grenades in cafes and killed Serb teens in late 1998.

You leave out the terror Albanians subjected Serbs to in the 1970's and 1980's which caused many to leave. The Yugoslav government forbid Serbs to talk about what was going on there.

A New York Times article from the 1980's told just how severe the tension was and the violence Albanians perpetrated against Serbs.

Albanians have a major network over Europe and Britain in white slavery and drugs. They control 80% of the prostitution in Soho and the money is often set to the Balkans to buy weapons for their uprisings in Kosovo and Macedonia.

They are not a multi-ethnic people and were determined to have Kosovo all to themselves.

You leave out their systematic attacks on Roma and the kidnappings, torture, murder and disappearances they perpetrated on them.

Some Roma have complained of the names of their compatriots, killed by the KLA, showing up on the Albanian lists as Albanians missings. Many Kosovo Roma spoke Albanian and had Albanian names but it did not stop the Albanians from murdering them.

ida,

Tahir Zemaj was NEVER a witness against Haradinaj. He was interviewed by ICTY investigators, but never agreed to testify. It is theorectically possible that he may have done, if he had not been gunned down in an incident that occurred before Haradinaj had even been indicted, and which has never been linked to Haradinaj himself, except in rumour.

As for the rest of your post, since I see that you have ignored my exhortations not to engage in the perpetuation of rumour and propaganda, I see no need to engage with you upon them. I am not interested in a point-by-point listing of every personal greivance you carry against the Albanian population of a province that you, in all likelihood, have never even visited.