Vojvodina to fund death camp memorial in Hungary

"the internees, most of them Serbs from Bačka, Vojvodina."

"The camp, located in a former artificial silk plant, was opened in April 1941, imprisoning 15,000 civilians, including 1,500 mothers and 4,500 children."

It's striking how many children were put in WWII camps by the Germans and their allies.

That shows true genocidal intentions.

Exactly Ida. People nowadays are confused what classifies as genocide. Genocide is a systematic execution of a speficific people which includes all women, children and all men.

Jovan, that is the definition given by a couple of guys in suits that said that is what genocide is. Just because it is written in the book UN Security Definitions of Really Serious Words We Need Everyone to Abide By doesn't mean it is a correct. The term was coined by a Polish Jew after WW2 so they could describe what happened to the Jews. What I believe Ida was referring to was the intentions of complete and total destruction of the Serbian people during WW2 because Serbs were all in Serbian Lands, not spread across Europe so it was much easier. We can all just pick apart one word someone uses and write 10 pages about how they are wrong, but what does that prove if you don't even know what the intentions were?

I think what Ida was trying to say was the scale of destruction during WWII was much greater and that the holocaust was a complete destruction of a people. How can Srebenica and the Bosnia be compared to the holocaust? A civil war that all three sides in various degrees ALL participated in genocide be compared to Auschwitz? Jovan, you don't really think that Nasar Oric was the welcome wagon do you? Also you had few Muslims fighting on the Serbian side and a few Serbs fighting on the Muslim side...this surely did not occur with the Jews and the Germans. I do not know of one proven case where a known Jew was an SS member. I think that your comments belittle the suffering of the Jews during the holocaust.

Genocide does not mean the destruction of all men, all women and all children of an national, ethnical, racial or religious group. If killing everyone was a requirement, then even the Holocaust or what happened in Rwanda in 1994 might not qualify as "genocide" -- after all, not every Jew and not every member of Rwanda's Tutsi ethnic group was killed. There are still surviors of both groups alive.

Read the text of the genocide convention
http://www.preventgenocide.org/law/convention/text.htm

It says genocide is one of a specified set of acts committed with the intent of destruction of the group "in whole or in part."

Both the World Court (ICJ) and the ICTY have ruled that the killing of Bosnian Muslim men and boys at Srebrenica was genocide. They ruled it was genocide, even though the July 1995 mass killings carried out by the VRS were limited to killing Bosnian Muslim males from Srebrenica (just one town out of many in Bosnia where Muslims lived), and even though not every Bosnian Muslim from the Srebrenica enclave was killed (some of the men and boys managed to escape through the woods and across the front lines without being caught and killed, while most of the women and children from Srebrenica were expelled but were not killed).

Genocide is genocide -- whether at Auschwitz, at Jasenovac, in Rwanda, or in Srebrenica. Those responsible for such acts are enemies of humanity. They must be arrested and made to face justice.

In Rwanda the intent and the attempt was to destroy ALL Tutsis. Only an invading force of expatriot Tutsis who'd been in the armies of the surrounding countries stopped it.

The killings were of virtually ALL me, ALL women, ALL children, ALL babies that they could get their hands on.

The killings amounted to 800,000 in only 100 days! That was an intent to destroy them all - the fact that they didn't was because Tutsis who lived in surrounding countries conquered the Hutu's and then resettled into Rwanda making up for the population loss of Tutsis who had been living there during the genocide.

Also, the Tutsis killed were PURE CIVILIANS and were not in an uprising against Rwanda. The same could be said for the Jews who were peaceful citizens in Europe and not in an armed uprising.

In Yugoslavia, you had mainly armed factions against each other.

Mostly it was MILITARY, PARAMILITARY and POLICE killed in the Balkans. Even Bosnia they found the majority were soldiers and 89% of those killed were grown men.

In Bosnia you could say that the percentage of women and children killed were far lower than most other wars around the world.

By the way, some of the Srebrenica Muslims ran to SERBIA after the fall and they numbered about 850. After being detained they were all released alive. Besides that most of the army column arrived in Tuzla in tact. Over 3,000 Srebrenica men were on the 1996 OSCE voting lists in Tuzla.

Additionally they've settled in the U.S. and other countries outside Bosnia.

For instance, St. Louis, Missouri in the U.S. has a very large number of Srebrenica Muslims, including men.

Then the father of the teen, Suleiman Talovic, who shot 5 or 6 people to death in a Utah mall last February, was a Srebrenica fighter who is now living in the U.S. Other adult male members of the Talovic family are living in the U.S. too.

Genocide does not mean the destruction of all men, all women and all children of an national, ethnical, racial or religious group. If killing everyone was a requirement, then even the Holocaust or what happened in Rwanda in 1994 might not qualify as "genocide" -- after all, not every Jew and not every member of Rwanda's Tutsi ethnic group was killed. There are still surviors of both groups alive.

Read the text of the genocide convention
http://www.preventgenocide.org/law/convention/text.htm

It says genocide is one of a specified set of acts committed with the intent of destruction of the group "in whole or in part."

Both the World Court (ICJ) and the ICTY have ruled that the killing of Bosnian Muslim men and boys at Srebrenica was genocide. They ruled it was genocide, even though the July 1995 mass killings carried out by the VRS were limited to killing Bosnian Muslim males from Srebrenica (just one town out of many in Bosnia where Muslims lived), and even though not every Bosnian Muslim from the Srebrenica enclave was killed (some of the men and boys managed to escape through the woods and across the front lines without being caught and killed, while most of the women and children from Srebrenica were expelled but were not killed).

Genocide is genocide -- whether at Auschwitz, at Jasenovac, in Rwanda, or in Srebrenica. Those responsible for such acts are enemies of humanity. They must be arrested and made to face justice.

"the internees, most of them Serbs from Bačka, Vojvodina."

"The camp, located in a former artificial silk plant, was opened in April 1941, imprisoning 15,000 civilians, including 1,500 mothers and 4,500 children."

It's striking how many children were put in WWII camps by the Germans and their allies.

That shows true genocidal intentions.

Exactly Ida. People nowadays are confused what classifies as genocide. Genocide is a systematic execution of a speficific people which includes all women, children and all men.

Jovan, that is the definition given by a couple of guys in suits that said that is what genocide is. Just because it is written in the book UN Security Definitions of Really Serious Words We Need Everyone to Abide By doesn't mean it is a correct. The term was coined by a Polish Jew after WW2 so they could describe what happened to the Jews. What I believe Ida was referring to was the intentions of complete and total destruction of the Serbian people during WW2 because Serbs were all in Serbian Lands, not spread across Europe so it was much easier. We can all just pick apart one word someone uses and write 10 pages about how they are wrong, but what does that prove if you don't even know what the intentions were?

I think what Ida was trying to say was the scale of destruction during WWII was much greater and that the holocaust was a complete destruction of a people. How can Srebenica and the Bosnia be compared to the holocaust? A civil war that all three sides in various degrees ALL participated in genocide be compared to Auschwitz? Jovan, you don't really think that Nasar Oric was the welcome wagon do you? Also you had few Muslims fighting on the Serbian side and a few Serbs fighting on the Muslim side...this surely did not occur with the Jews and the Germans. I do not know of one proven case where a known Jew was an SS member. I think that your comments belittle the suffering of the Jews during the holocaust.

In Rwanda the intent and the attempt was to destroy ALL Tutsis. Only an invading force of expatriot Tutsis who'd been in the armies of the surrounding countries stopped it.

The killings were of virtually ALL me, ALL women, ALL children, ALL babies that they could get their hands on.

The killings amounted to 800,000 in only 100 days! That was an intent to destroy them all - the fact that they didn't was because Tutsis who lived in surrounding countries conquered the Hutu's and then resettled into Rwanda making up for the population loss of Tutsis who had been living there during the genocide.

Also, the Tutsis killed were PURE CIVILIANS and were not in an uprising against Rwanda. The same could be said for the Jews who were peaceful citizens in Europe and not in an armed uprising.

In Yugoslavia, you had mainly armed factions against each other.

Mostly it was MILITARY, PARAMILITARY and POLICE killed in the Balkans. Even Bosnia they found the majority were soldiers and 89% of those killed were grown men.

In Bosnia you could say that the percentage of women and children killed were far lower than most other wars around the world.

By the way, some of the Srebrenica Muslims ran to SERBIA after the fall and they numbered about 850. After being detained they were all released alive. Besides that most of the army column arrived in Tuzla in tact. Over 3,000 Srebrenica men were on the 1996 OSCE voting lists in Tuzla.

Additionally they've settled in the U.S. and other countries outside Bosnia.

For instance, St. Louis, Missouri in the U.S. has a very large number of Srebrenica Muslims, including men.

Then the father of the teen, Suleiman Talovic, who shot 5 or 6 people to death in a Utah mall last February, was a Srebrenica fighter who is now living in the U.S. Other adult male members of the Talovic family are living in the U.S. too.