Police counting abandoned homes in Vojvodina

Joe what is kosova?

Lot of the homes belong to Croatians that the Radicals and Serb refugees had thrown out.It happened in so called democratic Serbia. The home owners are to scared to go home because of brutal expulsions and threats from radicals and Serb refugees if they dare to return. The police are finishing the job.

It is nice to see that B92 is ready to bring such news. If I reported it on my own several nationalist Serbs would have denied it. As I read on a Hungarian site in Vojvodina the inventory of empty homes is also prepared in expectation of a refugee influx of Serbs from Kosova.

Well fellow Hungarians, Serbia of course counts the abandoned houses because they will need them if they continue to manipulate with serbs in Kosova just like they did with the ones in Croatia when they had to bring them all to Kosova and then again send them back to Serbia.

Pastor is sounding a little paranoid - making an extreme assumption from an unverified claim. Surely counting the number of abandonded or unhinhabited dwellings is normal government house keeping.

The constitution is actually worded slightly different as quoted here (at least the English translation):

"Forced assimilation of members of national minorities shall be strictly
prohibited.

Protection of members of national minorities from all activities directed towards their forced assimilation shall be regulated by the Law.
Undertaking measures, which would cause artificial changes in ethnic structure of population in areas where members of national minorities live traditionally
and in large numbers, shall be strictly prohibited."

The word large and greater have different meanings. Greater indicates a local majority whereas large indicates at lease a significant minority.

Also would it be wrong for a government to house returning people in what are abandoned houses make more sense than building new ones for them? And would that be "artificial"?

How does he know that empty houses are not being counted across all of Serbia and not just the areas he is worried about?

If these homes are really abandened and there is no rightful owner..then what is the problem? Is it better for these homes to be abandoned? If we go down a path of who is actually a rightful owner then half of Vojvodina should be returned to the 500,000 ethnic Germans that were ethnically cleansed by Tito. How about all the homes that were forcefully abandoned during and at the end of WWII. How many Jews had their property returned to them? Aren't all people equal?

Lenard... your comment has no basis. First of all most Croatians that left Serbia had homes waiting for them in Croatia that used to belong to Serbs. So what is your point?

Milan ,the point is Serbia should uphold the law. Minorities should feel safe and should not at a wim be gotten rid from Serbia without any recourse.Serbia is offering Kosovo autonomy but how can anyone trust Serbia it will not be taken away like before.

Here we go again! Serbian nationalism, forced assimilation and artificial changes in ethnic structure of population in areas where members of national minorities live traditionally and in large numbers. Is there any way that anytime soon Serbian government is going to start acting as a civilized one? Where does your extreme dislike toward everybody else living among you comes from? Don’t you guys ever learn from your mistakes? It will not work and will backfire on you again and again... Vojvodina is trying to stay together with you, to give you a one more chance. You have to deserve it! It is up to you!

Ida

Ida

The war was fought in Croatian territory. Serbian army did kill a lot of Croatian innocent civilians and destroyed churches, homes and businesses in Croatia. Yes, I left Vojvodina at the time of war, but did not join the Croatian Army. The reason I had to leave was because the Serbian government would make me join the Serbian Army and kill my Croatian brothers and sisters! Shame on Serbia to make us leave our homes so we don’t have to fight Serbian war! No genocide you say? Just by repeating the lies, those will not become the truth.

The homes would be those who moved away to escape the draft as there were many thousands of Serbs who did this and those who moved to the cities or other countries for economic reasons.

Most Croats stayed as their population in the census is about the same as before the wars. Those who left did to join Croatia's army or for economic reasons.

No Croat living in Serbia was killed in the war according to all information, nor were churches desecrated, looted or destroyed (as happened to Serbian churches in Croat or Muslim controlled-territory), nor were houses burned down.

Croats continue to live in Serbia unmolested which is A LOT different than Serbs in Croatia who've been ethnically cleansed or genocided out.

Josip, what you are saying is a downright lie. There was no such thing as the Serbian Army until 2006 when Serbia and Montenegro parted. Before that there was the JNA until April 1992 and then the army of Yugoslvia (VJ). The VJ wasn't involved in the war in Croatia so there was no chance that had you been drafted you would have had to "kill" Croats. The JNA prior to that was not a "Serbian Army" and was not controlled by Serbia.

Philip
Are you kidding me? The Yugoslavian Army? Well, maybe only by name. Let me remind you that Yugoslavia already did not exist at that time, the head quarter was in Belgrade, generals were Serbians, Milosevic was the boss and Seselj and Arkan paramilitary forces were killing and stilling all over the Croatia! If you say this is lie too, I think we are talking about different wars…

Josip,

I think you are forgeting what the war was about. Seperatism. And the Yugoslav Army at the beggining of the war was a mixed one, but given the country split not along ethnic lines but republic ones, most of the army was Serbian. Not to mention that Serbs are the most numerous in Yugoslavia.

Therefore nobody was interested in killing Croats but perserving a part of Yugoslavia (Croatia), when that becaume increasingly impossible, then the goal was to preserve Krajina. Do the Serbs have no right to live in one country? Because Croatia certainly had no constitutional right to seccede, nor do the Albanians in Kosovo, yet that is viewed as neccesary, whilst Republika Srpska must be abolished ASAP. Although if conditions don't improve for minorities in Vojvodina, then since it's a part of Serbia, it automatically has the right to break away.

Crazy? That is what you are getting across, the typical "Serb & Victim" scnario. Funny how no minority in Serbia actually got harmed, accept the Albanians who clearly tried to steal our province...Yet to the whole world, Serbs are the only purpatrators. Truly sad.

It is nice to see that B92 is ready to bring such news. If I reported it on my own several nationalist Serbs would have denied it. As I read on a Hungarian site in Vojvodina the inventory of empty homes is also prepared in expectation of a refugee influx of Serbs from Kosova.

Well fellow Hungarians, Serbia of course counts the abandoned houses because they will need them if they continue to manipulate with serbs in Kosova just like they did with the ones in Croatia when they had to bring them all to Kosova and then again send them back to Serbia.

Lot of the homes belong to Croatians that the Radicals and Serb refugees had thrown out.It happened in so called democratic Serbia. The home owners are to scared to go home because of brutal expulsions and threats from radicals and Serb refugees if they dare to return. The police are finishing the job.

Ida

Ida

The war was fought in Croatian territory. Serbian army did kill a lot of Croatian innocent civilians and destroyed churches, homes and businesses in Croatia. Yes, I left Vojvodina at the time of war, but did not join the Croatian Army. The reason I had to leave was because the Serbian government would make me join the Serbian Army and kill my Croatian brothers and sisters! Shame on Serbia to make us leave our homes so we don’t have to fight Serbian war! No genocide you say? Just by repeating the lies, those will not become the truth.

Pastor is sounding a little paranoid - making an extreme assumption from an unverified claim. Surely counting the number of abandonded or unhinhabited dwellings is normal government house keeping.

The constitution is actually worded slightly different as quoted here (at least the English translation):

"Forced assimilation of members of national minorities shall be strictly
prohibited.

Protection of members of national minorities from all activities directed towards their forced assimilation shall be regulated by the Law.
Undertaking measures, which would cause artificial changes in ethnic structure of population in areas where members of national minorities live traditionally
and in large numbers, shall be strictly prohibited."

The word large and greater have different meanings. Greater indicates a local majority whereas large indicates at lease a significant minority.

Also would it be wrong for a government to house returning people in what are abandoned houses make more sense than building new ones for them? And would that be "artificial"?

How does he know that empty houses are not being counted across all of Serbia and not just the areas he is worried about?

Joe what is kosova?

If these homes are really abandened and there is no rightful owner..then what is the problem? Is it better for these homes to be abandoned? If we go down a path of who is actually a rightful owner then half of Vojvodina should be returned to the 500,000 ethnic Germans that were ethnically cleansed by Tito. How about all the homes that were forcefully abandoned during and at the end of WWII. How many Jews had their property returned to them? Aren't all people equal?

Lenard... your comment has no basis. First of all most Croatians that left Serbia had homes waiting for them in Croatia that used to belong to Serbs. So what is your point?

Milan ,the point is Serbia should uphold the law. Minorities should feel safe and should not at a wim be gotten rid from Serbia without any recourse.Serbia is offering Kosovo autonomy but how can anyone trust Serbia it will not be taken away like before.

Here we go again! Serbian nationalism, forced assimilation and artificial changes in ethnic structure of population in areas where members of national minorities live traditionally and in large numbers. Is there any way that anytime soon Serbian government is going to start acting as a civilized one? Where does your extreme dislike toward everybody else living among you comes from? Don’t you guys ever learn from your mistakes? It will not work and will backfire on you again and again... Vojvodina is trying to stay together with you, to give you a one more chance. You have to deserve it! It is up to you!

The homes would be those who moved away to escape the draft as there were many thousands of Serbs who did this and those who moved to the cities or other countries for economic reasons.

Most Croats stayed as their population in the census is about the same as before the wars. Those who left did to join Croatia's army or for economic reasons.

No Croat living in Serbia was killed in the war according to all information, nor were churches desecrated, looted or destroyed (as happened to Serbian churches in Croat or Muslim controlled-territory), nor were houses burned down.

Croats continue to live in Serbia unmolested which is A LOT different than Serbs in Croatia who've been ethnically cleansed or genocided out.

Josip, what you are saying is a downright lie. There was no such thing as the Serbian Army until 2006 when Serbia and Montenegro parted. Before that there was the JNA until April 1992 and then the army of Yugoslvia (VJ). The VJ wasn't involved in the war in Croatia so there was no chance that had you been drafted you would have had to "kill" Croats. The JNA prior to that was not a "Serbian Army" and was not controlled by Serbia.

Philip
Are you kidding me? The Yugoslavian Army? Well, maybe only by name. Let me remind you that Yugoslavia already did not exist at that time, the head quarter was in Belgrade, generals were Serbians, Milosevic was the boss and Seselj and Arkan paramilitary forces were killing and stilling all over the Croatia! If you say this is lie too, I think we are talking about different wars…

Josip,

I think you are forgeting what the war was about. Seperatism. And the Yugoslav Army at the beggining of the war was a mixed one, but given the country split not along ethnic lines but republic ones, most of the army was Serbian. Not to mention that Serbs are the most numerous in Yugoslavia.

Therefore nobody was interested in killing Croats but perserving a part of Yugoslavia (Croatia), when that becaume increasingly impossible, then the goal was to preserve Krajina. Do the Serbs have no right to live in one country? Because Croatia certainly had no constitutional right to seccede, nor do the Albanians in Kosovo, yet that is viewed as neccesary, whilst Republika Srpska must be abolished ASAP. Although if conditions don't improve for minorities in Vojvodina, then since it's a part of Serbia, it automatically has the right to break away.

Crazy? That is what you are getting across, the typical "Serb & Victim" scnario. Funny how no minority in Serbia actually got harmed, accept the Albanians who clearly tried to steal our province...Yet to the whole world, Serbs are the only purpatrators. Truly sad.