Rehn: SAA initialing must wait

They will still sign the SAA documentation since Monetenegro's SAA was initialed despite the fact that Karadzic was free to move around Montenegro with no sanctions as recently as 2 years ago and given that is his homeland it makes sense he hides in the places he best knows and will best protect him.

Funny how as recently as 2 years ago Karadzic was openly in Montenegro but when it is politically expedient that the likes of NATO or EU wish to coax Montenegro into their fold fully they turn a blind eye - thus it is all a political decision nothing to do with arrest or justice!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4644949.stm

Princip,
you are right so much, that
i wander why waste time here, when all is about who has the most effective army and weapons in this world.
Justice is just a means to persuade the minors that they are happy.

that´s a story for little children & voters of ds.

the new saa still treats kosmet as a seperate territory, allthough not any longer as a state.

so noone will sign it, that´s it.

Princip

Sorry to burst your bubble mate but was then Montenegro and Serbia an UNION.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/5003220.stm

I believe that if Kosovo becomes independent, Serbia should have easier and faster access to the EU (indeed war criminals need to be handed over), alongside Croatia.

For such a price as bending international law by giving Kosovo independence outside the UNSC, Serbia should also be allowed certain privileges when it comes to EU ascension.

Neither Serb nor Albanian nationalists agree with me certainly for such an opinion, but both sides need to get something so that we don't have anymore tension in the Balkans.

"We have to face up to reality and with the difficult situation, and to increase our efforts and activities, and take advantage of the next stage to convince the Tribunal of our sincere intentions, and to meet our remaining commitments,” said Ljajić.

Ljajić and the Serbian government, please, stop making a joke of yourselves. Stop hiding behind your "intentions" and ACT!

You don't have to sign SAA, you don't have to join EU. EU isn't forcing Serbia to join.
If you want to sign SAA, if you want to join EU, stop whining and ACT! Do what it takes!

Peter,

lets assume that what you suggested happens but then think this precedent through - any minority that becomes a majority in another nation states province or regional administrative regions can seccede through violent actions and demands that self determination over-rules state sovereignity.

Lets assume that Serbia does become a EU nation but its people remain bitter but realise the only lesson that can be learnt form such an abrupt precedent i.e. population growth is all that matters. Given they would be free to move around the EU maybe they would drift on mass into the depopulated rural regions of Southern Poland around the historical capital of Crakow perhaps & given the current drift of young Poles to other EU states - what then when in 50 years time through population influx and higher growth (learnt through the bitter pill of what happend in Kosovo & Metohija) aligned with gradually increasing intimidation upon the local Poles - would the Poles be happy for the the Serbians to acquire Polish territory? What about the industrial center of Nowa Huta - would the Poles be happy to just hand it over to the now majority Serbians?

All hypothetical but it helps explain the situation in refelection to what woud be the response from any other Soveriegn state and I guess when you think it through empthatically with regards what if the same was to happen to your own historical and cultural heartland I hope it makes you understand and appreciate the Serbiian viewpoint.

Peter, now consider the hundreds if not thousands of other current situations in the 200 nation states around the world - what message is being promoted and more importantly what is the price globally for "bending international law by giving Kosovo independence outside the UNSC"

- is this a price Turkey is willing to pay when it has to put self-determination over sovereignity in the Southern Kurdish province, or where ever else some minority wishes to seccede? What price are you willing to inflict on the next generation for such a "bending of the law"?

I agree Peter, and then when Serbia gets into the EU it can block the accession of an independent Kosovo, and be truly independent.

Nenad

This is also why I don't feel that unilateral independence will benefit Kosovo simply because all it takes is one country to veto at organizations like the UNSC and EU. We know that in both already, there are those who will not recognize Kosovo's independence, let alone membership.

However, as things are going now, I think Serbia needs to prepare for the fact that many countries will in fact recognize an independent Kosovo. I don't know how it will look in the future, it all seems very uncertain.

Princip

You are repeating all the things I have been saying with regards to ethnic division and precadents (I have discussed the Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Pridnestrovie and Nagorno-Karabakh on numerous occasions) and I agree with you from that perspective, but looking at it realistically, I see no agreement coming and I wonder what will happen next.

What will probably happen is US and a portion of the EU going for supervized independence, but I don't see it going further simply because the UNSC and EU will not permit membership of Kosovo if veto holders don't even recognize them, let alone accept them.

Princip

Sorry to burst your bubble mate but was then Montenegro and Serbia an UNION.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/5003220.stm

They will still sign the SAA documentation since Monetenegro's SAA was initialed despite the fact that Karadzic was free to move around Montenegro with no sanctions as recently as 2 years ago and given that is his homeland it makes sense he hides in the places he best knows and will best protect him.

Funny how as recently as 2 years ago Karadzic was openly in Montenegro but when it is politically expedient that the likes of NATO or EU wish to coax Montenegro into their fold fully they turn a blind eye - thus it is all a political decision nothing to do with arrest or justice!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4644949.stm

Princip,
you are right so much, that
i wander why waste time here, when all is about who has the most effective army and weapons in this world.
Justice is just a means to persuade the minors that they are happy.

that´s a story for little children & voters of ds.

the new saa still treats kosmet as a seperate territory, allthough not any longer as a state.

so noone will sign it, that´s it.

I believe that if Kosovo becomes independent, Serbia should have easier and faster access to the EU (indeed war criminals need to be handed over), alongside Croatia.

For such a price as bending international law by giving Kosovo independence outside the UNSC, Serbia should also be allowed certain privileges when it comes to EU ascension.

Neither Serb nor Albanian nationalists agree with me certainly for such an opinion, but both sides need to get something so that we don't have anymore tension in the Balkans.

"We have to face up to reality and with the difficult situation, and to increase our efforts and activities, and take advantage of the next stage to convince the Tribunal of our sincere intentions, and to meet our remaining commitments,” said Ljajić.

Ljajić and the Serbian government, please, stop making a joke of yourselves. Stop hiding behind your "intentions" and ACT!

You don't have to sign SAA, you don't have to join EU. EU isn't forcing Serbia to join.
If you want to sign SAA, if you want to join EU, stop whining and ACT! Do what it takes!

Peter,

lets assume that what you suggested happens but then think this precedent through - any minority that becomes a majority in another nation states province or regional administrative regions can seccede through violent actions and demands that self determination over-rules state sovereignity.

Lets assume that Serbia does become a EU nation but its people remain bitter but realise the only lesson that can be learnt form such an abrupt precedent i.e. population growth is all that matters. Given they would be free to move around the EU maybe they would drift on mass into the depopulated rural regions of Southern Poland around the historical capital of Crakow perhaps & given the current drift of young Poles to other EU states - what then when in 50 years time through population influx and higher growth (learnt through the bitter pill of what happend in Kosovo & Metohija) aligned with gradually increasing intimidation upon the local Poles - would the Poles be happy for the the Serbians to acquire Polish territory? What about the industrial center of Nowa Huta - would the Poles be happy to just hand it over to the now majority Serbians?

All hypothetical but it helps explain the situation in refelection to what woud be the response from any other Soveriegn state and I guess when you think it through empthatically with regards what if the same was to happen to your own historical and cultural heartland I hope it makes you understand and appreciate the Serbiian viewpoint.

Peter, now consider the hundreds if not thousands of other current situations in the 200 nation states around the world - what message is being promoted and more importantly what is the price globally for "bending international law by giving Kosovo independence outside the UNSC"

- is this a price Turkey is willing to pay when it has to put self-determination over sovereignity in the Southern Kurdish province, or where ever else some minority wishes to seccede? What price are you willing to inflict on the next generation for such a "bending of the law"?

I agree Peter, and then when Serbia gets into the EU it can block the accession of an independent Kosovo, and be truly independent.

Nenad

This is also why I don't feel that unilateral independence will benefit Kosovo simply because all it takes is one country to veto at organizations like the UNSC and EU. We know that in both already, there are those who will not recognize Kosovo's independence, let alone membership.

However, as things are going now, I think Serbia needs to prepare for the fact that many countries will in fact recognize an independent Kosovo. I don't know how it will look in the future, it all seems very uncertain.

Princip

You are repeating all the things I have been saying with regards to ethnic division and precadents (I have discussed the Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Pridnestrovie and Nagorno-Karabakh on numerous occasions) and I agree with you from that perspective, but looking at it realistically, I see no agreement coming and I wonder what will happen next.

What will probably happen is US and a portion of the EU going for supervized independence, but I don't see it going further simply because the UNSC and EU will not permit membership of Kosovo if veto holders don't even recognize them, let alone accept them.