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Direct Kosovo talks resume on Sunday

Direct talks between Belgrade and Priština are set to resume tomorrow in the UN Headquarters in Brussels.

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Peter Sudyka

pre 16 godina

EA

All what you say of the possibilities for Kosovo are quite possible of course, I just doubt the diaspora will return to a country with a practically non-existent economy when they are living the good life in the West. Look at the story of this girl in Austria.

Fact of the matter is, Kosovo may have the youngest population in Europe, but whether or not they have "status", I am sure most will be pushing for life in the West. Trust me, as a Pole I know this very well, and Poland's economy is much stronger than that of Kosovo. I just don't see Kosovo (independent, if it happens) getting on its feet in a good 10-15 years.

lazer

pre 16 godina

Clean Cut,
thay named that guy Baghdad Bob. He was on TV saying there were no Americans here while we could see the tanks rolling behind hem. That was funny.

Samardjic should switch from de-caffinated to regular coffee.
Serbia is not going to be allowed to have parallel institutions in Kosova/o.

Serbia's politicians are feeling that the check-mate is coming thats why they are sending a weak delegation.

Princip, UK

pre 16 godina

To those comments that there are no Serbian institutions within Kosovo & Metohija one needs look no further then the clearest acceptance of the the State they are.

This is exemplified by obtaining the consent of the highest recognition of state insitutions namely the request and issuing of the State Passport.

Hundreds of thousands of Serbian Passports have been requested by and issued to the Albanians in it's southern province.

Maybe the commentators who are in denial of the state they are in but there are hundreds of thousands more who understand and accept the state they are in and accept its insitutions which issued the Serbian passport - after all it is the highest acceptance of Serbian citizenship.

Unknown Comic

pre 16 godina

Please folks let not start this about who will show up for negoitions. No one will talk just sit there like a knot on a log. Why waste the time. Kosovo Albanians have been promised independence by a country that has not say in Europe. EU is going to make the call on Kosovo. See what happen when the US messed in Turkey Business, recalled the Ambassador and now is getting ready to invade northern Iraq. See what happens you mess in someone's business get your access to Northern Iraq cut off and possible good relations too. So does the US want to do that to the EU too?

johny

pre 16 godina

Delije said:" Do you want Kosovo in the EU with Serbia & the rest of the balkans or independence and poverty?"

Delije we would rather be independent from Serbia and poor rather than within Serbia and in any other situation then you'll understand the reality on the ground, then you'll understand that when we say independence from Serbia we are not kidding ourselves.

m.h.

pre 16 godina

"Albanians have more than 4000 years in Balkan."

written by "m.h."

dear m.h.:

I can understand that you desperately wish that to be true... but, ...unfortunately the illyrian myth is simply an Albanian dream! your "friends" the Americans de-mystified that invention...and have scientifically proven that you came from the Caucasus at the same time as the Serbs arrived in the Balkans.

so, these attempts to present yourself as the native owners of that part of Europe is only a lousy joke.

by the way, did you know that the Slovenians call themselves the descendants of the Illyrians?
(Jovan, 13. October 2007 20:48)


I am sorry JOVAN
The Library of Congress
Albania
THE ANCIENT ILLYRIANS

Figure 2. Illyria under Roman Rule, First Century B.C.
Source: Based on information from R. Ernest Dupuy and Trevor N. Dupuy, The Encyclopedia of Military History, New York, 1970, 95; Herman Kinder and Werner Hilgemann, The Anchor Atlas of World History, 1, New York, 1974, 90, 94; and Encyclopaedia Britannica, 15, New York, , 1092.
Mystery enshrouds the exact origins of today's Albanians. Most historians of the Balkans believe the Albanian people are in large part descendants of the ancient Illyrians, who, like other Balkan peoples, were subdivided into tribes and clans. The name Albania is derived from the name of an Illyrian tribe called the Arber, or Arbereshë, and later Albanoi, that lived near Durrës. The Illyrians were Indo-European tribesmen who appeared in the western part of the Balkan Peninsula about 1000 B.C., a period coinciding with the end of the Bronze Age and beginning of the Iron Age. They inhabited much of the area for at least the next millennium. Archaeologists associate the Illyrians with the Hallstatt culture, an Iron Age people noted for production of iron and bronze swords with winged-shaped handles and for domestication of horses. The Illyrians occupied lands extending from the Danube, Sava, and Morava rivers to the Adriatic Sea and the Sar Mountains. At various times, groups of Illyrians migrated over land and sea into Italy.
The Illyrians carried on commerce and warfare with their neighbors. The ancient Macedonians probably had some Illyrian roots, but their ruling class adopted Greek cultural characteristics. The Illyrians also mingled with the Thracians, another ancient people with adjoining lands on the east. In the south and along the Adriatic Sea coast, the Illyrians were heavily influenced by the Greeks, who founded trading colonies there. The present-day city of Durrës evolved from a Greek colony known as Epidamnos, which was founded at the end of the seventh century B.C. Another famous Greek colony, Apollonia, arose between Durrës and the port city of Vlorë.
Link:
http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?frd/cstdy:@field(DOCID+al0014)

mark

pre 16 godina

here is a quiz for the smart people here: who started several wars in balkans and lost all of them? oh yes it was not serbs right -:) .... why do people care who leads kosova- please get real Serbia's osition is weak, they did masacres is kosova and albanians dont wnat anything to do with serbs - it clear - go live on in your own country and kosova has not been part of serboa for almost 10 years now

smile

pre 16 godina

Well done Rob. Our civilians and policemen were killed throughout 1998, and even 1997, yet not a single of our soldiers, civilians or politiciasn is accused of war crimes in Kosovo in 1998, they all relate to after 24 march1999. there was an armed rebellion by a group that was on the state department terrorism list there and apparently the response was restrained even though they killed our people, our offices. what happens stateside when someone killes a cop, just one? they give them a country?

EA

pre 16 godina

Peter,
The "talks" will continue until the 10th of December so don't worry about it. The Kosovar Albanians have agreed to it. We are talking after the 10th of December.
I can see from you comment that you do not like the idea of Kosova's independence
"Serbia means something to EU too (a lot better investment in having them as a part of the EU than some independent Kosovo, don't you think?). Don't think the EU is some kind of brother to Kosovo Albanians and that they are against Serbia, they are aiming for stability, and there is absolutely no guarantee they will back you after Dec 10 (they are definitely not as supportive as the US when it comes to unilateral recognition, surely you can see this)"
In your mind is fixed that Kosova can not live without Serbia. Do you know that Kosova soon will have access to the Albanian port of Durres and Shengjin in at least two hours. Secondly do you know that there is a strong Kosovar diaspora abroad, very successful who will be contributed to their country as soon as the status is settled once and for all. I have never been to Kosova but I have read that the landscape is wonderful and Kosova can be like Switzerland in a reasonably short period of time. Kosova is going to be a small country and with the support of the international community will be a success. The populations of Kosova is the youngest in Europe. I am not asking you to change your mind but have a peace of mind that Kosova will be independend have have full sovereignity soon after the 10th of December.

KS

pre 16 godina

Serb Camp: "The Americans recognizing Kosovo's independence doesn't make Kosovo an independent country any more than the Bulgarians recognizing California's independence would make California an independent country."

Serb camp these posts are getting childish by the day.

America is a super power ---- Bulgaria economically is the same with Kosova and its' military presence is WEAK.

Please don't post these MYTH facts because everyone is getting tired.

Ron

pre 16 godina

Kosovo is being led by the same KLA people who started all of this misery to begin with.

If you compare the Hague indictments that have been issued against KLA commanders to those issued against Serbian officials you see that the KLA's alleged war crimes began in 1998 BEFORE any of the alleged Serbian war crimes.

Every Serbian war crime alleged by Hague Prosecutors happened DURING the NATO bombing. There is not a single Serbian war crime alleged in Kosovo BEFORE the NATO attack.

The only exception to that was Racak, but ICTY prosecutors recently dropped Racak from the indictments against Milutinovic, and the rest of the so-called "Kosovo six".

The Kosovo-Albanians have nothing to fear by staying in Serbia as long as they don't provoke Serbia with NATO bombing raids and KLA terrorist attacks. All they have to do is behave like civilized people and they'll be fine.

The Kosovo-Albanians can either choose a common European future with Serbia or they can choose "independence" and a future of poverty and isolation.

Any form of Kosovo "independence" will be short lived anyway. The geo-political situation will change eventually and Serbia will get its territory back, no matter what the Albanians do now.

Recognition of an independent Kosovo can be recinded quite easily. The UN will never recognize Kosovo, and any country that does will do so in violation of Resolution 1244. If they want to take away Kosovo's recognition all they have to say is "we're going to abide by the Security Council resolition" and they'll be off the hook.

The Americans recognizing Kosovo's independence doesn't make Kosovo an independent country any more than the Bulgarians recognizing California's independence would make California an independent country.

Peter Sudyka

pre 16 godina

EA

How can Kosovo Albanians "boycott" further discussions with Serbia "with US and EU coordination" when the EU is just as strong as Russia in the opinion of further talks (at least until Dec 10).

Serbia means something to EU too (a lot better investment in having them as a part of the EU than some independent Kosovo, don't you think?). Don't think the EU is some kind of brother to Kosovo Albanians and that they are against Serbia, they are aiming for stability, and there is absolutely no guarantee they will back you after Dec 10 (they are definitely not as supportive as the US when it comes to unilateral recognition, surely you can see this).

lola

pre 16 godina

There are about 6 remarks before this one and all Albanien supporters-It is amazing how smart you all are. Imagine you all agree with each other. You all think that Kosovo Albaniens are so pure and peacefull mayby we should not call it Kosovo/a but ......... I leave it to you peacefull people since you know how to bad mouth and lie abot Serbs so well.

Delije

pre 16 godina

EA, yes it's over. The dream of independence is over. Pristina comes with the same demands, independence or unrest. The EU & UN see this & sees Serbia, no matter who it sends, trying hard to come to a solution. Pristina isn't ready for independence and will never be. Take autonomy, ride Serbia's coat-tails into the EU & all this will end because boarders won't matter. Kosovo on it's own will never get into the EU, muchless before other balkan countries. Albania herself will get in before Kosovo does standing alone. But I know, you rather be independent and live in poverty then have anything to do Serbia & that is Pristinas problem. Leaders that can't see the future but only demand the present. The K-Albanians should elect succesful businessmen to their gov not the people they have now. All they care about is their goals not Kosovo's or her people. Former military heads can't lead people bcause they lead with a military attitude. Look @ Burma.

Delije

pre 16 godina

Cont... Look @ Burma. Military leaders only want power even if they have to turn on their people. At that point autonomy isn't so bad. Do you want Kosovo in the EU with Serbia & the rest of the balkans or independence and poverty? Serbia is almost their the EU is in sight, but Kosovo alone is 50 years away to even be considered by EU & it's standerds. Think like a businessmen not a militant.

Clean Cut

pre 16 godina

I'm telling you. This guy, Mr. Samardzic is exactly like that ex-Iraqi-Minister who while American troops were on the outskirts of Bagdad, he was declaring on TV: Who? They? They are nowhere! Not here! Not there! Nowhere! :-)

For the sake of your own people, stop lying!

serbiasnightmare

pre 16 godina

'cede over numerous competencies" . This guy needs a reality check. After all that happened in the balkans and Serbia's initiations of those events, those competencies this person speaks about should be first tested and monitored in Belgrade before they think they can try 'ceding' it to people who already have it.

Jovan

pre 16 godina

reading those albanian comments, one can get the impression that you don´t know what you want, at all.
there are no serbian institutions in Kosmet? well, do you want some? I guess, sooner or later there will be some, but only a few, since you will have your broad autonomy. you will call it "independence" ...even if it will be only a placebo without any UNSC-decision... so it is only a question of time, and you will be asking for serbian institutions...

Lenard

pre 16 godina

Serbians talks of damage to the state if Kosovo is independent. What about the damage to Bosnia in Srpska where over 690,000 Bosniaks ,Croatians and others remain ethnically cleansed 12years after the war. That was planed ,financed ,supported and orchestrated from Belgrade. Where Serbia makes special deals with the Srpska entity in all kind of state fields. Treats Srpska like it is independent state which is not and by pases the legitimate internationally recognized Bosnian government. Serbia plays a double standard when it suits them. Talks about intrinsic law when it is in there interest. Treat other nations and people like you like to be treated then all will go well for Serbia.

Agim Elshani

pre 16 godina

In any case, should the worse-case scenario come to being, the Serbian state will continue to function in Kosovo the way it does today or even to a larger extent,” the Kosovo minister noted.

Wait a minute , where is this guy living , is it another planet.
With all due respect Mr. Minister how in the world are yopu maintaining so called teritorial integrity ?
I do not see around me any Serbian institutions anywhere, so what are you talking about.

louie

pre 16 godina

I don't know who yet from K-Albanians will be there,but to send a Foreign Minister and a mini Minister to Brussels on behalf of Serbia,it shows how serious the Belgrade are!
They are again stalling and underestimating K-Albanians.
Until the day when Serbia treat K-Albanians as an equal partners,they will be in losing side.

EA

pre 16 godina

To me the talks with Serbia are over. I really do believe so. The delay of independence after the 10th of December is purely in respect of the USA and Europe. Nevertheless I still believe that Kosovar Albanians should co-ordinate their actions with the USA and Europe and boycott further "talks" and "negotiations" with Serbia.

Ron

pre 16 godina

Kosovo is being led by the same KLA people who started all of this misery to begin with.

If you compare the Hague indictments that have been issued against KLA commanders to those issued against Serbian officials you see that the KLA's alleged war crimes began in 1998 BEFORE any of the alleged Serbian war crimes.

Every Serbian war crime alleged by Hague Prosecutors happened DURING the NATO bombing. There is not a single Serbian war crime alleged in Kosovo BEFORE the NATO attack.

The only exception to that was Racak, but ICTY prosecutors recently dropped Racak from the indictments against Milutinovic, and the rest of the so-called "Kosovo six".

The Kosovo-Albanians have nothing to fear by staying in Serbia as long as they don't provoke Serbia with NATO bombing raids and KLA terrorist attacks. All they have to do is behave like civilized people and they'll be fine.

The Kosovo-Albanians can either choose a common European future with Serbia or they can choose "independence" and a future of poverty and isolation.

Any form of Kosovo "independence" will be short lived anyway. The geo-political situation will change eventually and Serbia will get its territory back, no matter what the Albanians do now.

Recognition of an independent Kosovo can be recinded quite easily. The UN will never recognize Kosovo, and any country that does will do so in violation of Resolution 1244. If they want to take away Kosovo's recognition all they have to say is "we're going to abide by the Security Council resolition" and they'll be off the hook.

The Americans recognizing Kosovo's independence doesn't make Kosovo an independent country any more than the Bulgarians recognizing California's independence would make California an independent country.

EA

pre 16 godina

To me the talks with Serbia are over. I really do believe so. The delay of independence after the 10th of December is purely in respect of the USA and Europe. Nevertheless I still believe that Kosovar Albanians should co-ordinate their actions with the USA and Europe and boycott further "talks" and "negotiations" with Serbia.

Lenard

pre 16 godina

Serbians talks of damage to the state if Kosovo is independent. What about the damage to Bosnia in Srpska where over 690,000 Bosniaks ,Croatians and others remain ethnically cleansed 12years after the war. That was planed ,financed ,supported and orchestrated from Belgrade. Where Serbia makes special deals with the Srpska entity in all kind of state fields. Treats Srpska like it is independent state which is not and by pases the legitimate internationally recognized Bosnian government. Serbia plays a double standard when it suits them. Talks about intrinsic law when it is in there interest. Treat other nations and people like you like to be treated then all will go well for Serbia.

Jovan

pre 16 godina

reading those albanian comments, one can get the impression that you don´t know what you want, at all.
there are no serbian institutions in Kosmet? well, do you want some? I guess, sooner or later there will be some, but only a few, since you will have your broad autonomy. you will call it "independence" ...even if it will be only a placebo without any UNSC-decision... so it is only a question of time, and you will be asking for serbian institutions...

Agim Elshani

pre 16 godina

In any case, should the worse-case scenario come to being, the Serbian state will continue to function in Kosovo the way it does today or even to a larger extent,” the Kosovo minister noted.

Wait a minute , where is this guy living , is it another planet.
With all due respect Mr. Minister how in the world are yopu maintaining so called teritorial integrity ?
I do not see around me any Serbian institutions anywhere, so what are you talking about.

Clean Cut

pre 16 godina

I'm telling you. This guy, Mr. Samardzic is exactly like that ex-Iraqi-Minister who while American troops were on the outskirts of Bagdad, he was declaring on TV: Who? They? They are nowhere! Not here! Not there! Nowhere! :-)

For the sake of your own people, stop lying!

Delije

pre 16 godina

EA, yes it's over. The dream of independence is over. Pristina comes with the same demands, independence or unrest. The EU & UN see this & sees Serbia, no matter who it sends, trying hard to come to a solution. Pristina isn't ready for independence and will never be. Take autonomy, ride Serbia's coat-tails into the EU & all this will end because boarders won't matter. Kosovo on it's own will never get into the EU, muchless before other balkan countries. Albania herself will get in before Kosovo does standing alone. But I know, you rather be independent and live in poverty then have anything to do Serbia & that is Pristinas problem. Leaders that can't see the future but only demand the present. The K-Albanians should elect succesful businessmen to their gov not the people they have now. All they care about is their goals not Kosovo's or her people. Former military heads can't lead people bcause they lead with a military attitude. Look @ Burma.

Peter Sudyka

pre 16 godina

EA

How can Kosovo Albanians "boycott" further discussions with Serbia "with US and EU coordination" when the EU is just as strong as Russia in the opinion of further talks (at least until Dec 10).

Serbia means something to EU too (a lot better investment in having them as a part of the EU than some independent Kosovo, don't you think?). Don't think the EU is some kind of brother to Kosovo Albanians and that they are against Serbia, they are aiming for stability, and there is absolutely no guarantee they will back you after Dec 10 (they are definitely not as supportive as the US when it comes to unilateral recognition, surely you can see this).

louie

pre 16 godina

I don't know who yet from K-Albanians will be there,but to send a Foreign Minister and a mini Minister to Brussels on behalf of Serbia,it shows how serious the Belgrade are!
They are again stalling and underestimating K-Albanians.
Until the day when Serbia treat K-Albanians as an equal partners,they will be in losing side.

lola

pre 16 godina

There are about 6 remarks before this one and all Albanien supporters-It is amazing how smart you all are. Imagine you all agree with each other. You all think that Kosovo Albaniens are so pure and peacefull mayby we should not call it Kosovo/a but ......... I leave it to you peacefull people since you know how to bad mouth and lie abot Serbs so well.

Delije

pre 16 godina

Cont... Look @ Burma. Military leaders only want power even if they have to turn on their people. At that point autonomy isn't so bad. Do you want Kosovo in the EU with Serbia & the rest of the balkans or independence and poverty? Serbia is almost their the EU is in sight, but Kosovo alone is 50 years away to even be considered by EU & it's standerds. Think like a businessmen not a militant.

smile

pre 16 godina

Well done Rob. Our civilians and policemen were killed throughout 1998, and even 1997, yet not a single of our soldiers, civilians or politiciasn is accused of war crimes in Kosovo in 1998, they all relate to after 24 march1999. there was an armed rebellion by a group that was on the state department terrorism list there and apparently the response was restrained even though they killed our people, our offices. what happens stateside when someone killes a cop, just one? they give them a country?

serbiasnightmare

pre 16 godina

'cede over numerous competencies" . This guy needs a reality check. After all that happened in the balkans and Serbia's initiations of those events, those competencies this person speaks about should be first tested and monitored in Belgrade before they think they can try 'ceding' it to people who already have it.

EA

pre 16 godina

Peter,
The "talks" will continue until the 10th of December so don't worry about it. The Kosovar Albanians have agreed to it. We are talking after the 10th of December.
I can see from you comment that you do not like the idea of Kosova's independence
"Serbia means something to EU too (a lot better investment in having them as a part of the EU than some independent Kosovo, don't you think?). Don't think the EU is some kind of brother to Kosovo Albanians and that they are against Serbia, they are aiming for stability, and there is absolutely no guarantee they will back you after Dec 10 (they are definitely not as supportive as the US when it comes to unilateral recognition, surely you can see this)"
In your mind is fixed that Kosova can not live without Serbia. Do you know that Kosova soon will have access to the Albanian port of Durres and Shengjin in at least two hours. Secondly do you know that there is a strong Kosovar diaspora abroad, very successful who will be contributed to their country as soon as the status is settled once and for all. I have never been to Kosova but I have read that the landscape is wonderful and Kosova can be like Switzerland in a reasonably short period of time. Kosova is going to be a small country and with the support of the international community will be a success. The populations of Kosova is the youngest in Europe. I am not asking you to change your mind but have a peace of mind that Kosova will be independend have have full sovereignity soon after the 10th of December.

m.h.

pre 16 godina

"Albanians have more than 4000 years in Balkan."

written by "m.h."

dear m.h.:

I can understand that you desperately wish that to be true... but, ...unfortunately the illyrian myth is simply an Albanian dream! your "friends" the Americans de-mystified that invention...and have scientifically proven that you came from the Caucasus at the same time as the Serbs arrived in the Balkans.

so, these attempts to present yourself as the native owners of that part of Europe is only a lousy joke.

by the way, did you know that the Slovenians call themselves the descendants of the Illyrians?
(Jovan, 13. October 2007 20:48)


I am sorry JOVAN
The Library of Congress
Albania
THE ANCIENT ILLYRIANS

Figure 2. Illyria under Roman Rule, First Century B.C.
Source: Based on information from R. Ernest Dupuy and Trevor N. Dupuy, The Encyclopedia of Military History, New York, 1970, 95; Herman Kinder and Werner Hilgemann, The Anchor Atlas of World History, 1, New York, 1974, 90, 94; and Encyclopaedia Britannica, 15, New York, , 1092.
Mystery enshrouds the exact origins of today's Albanians. Most historians of the Balkans believe the Albanian people are in large part descendants of the ancient Illyrians, who, like other Balkan peoples, were subdivided into tribes and clans. The name Albania is derived from the name of an Illyrian tribe called the Arber, or Arbereshë, and later Albanoi, that lived near Durrës. The Illyrians were Indo-European tribesmen who appeared in the western part of the Balkan Peninsula about 1000 B.C., a period coinciding with the end of the Bronze Age and beginning of the Iron Age. They inhabited much of the area for at least the next millennium. Archaeologists associate the Illyrians with the Hallstatt culture, an Iron Age people noted for production of iron and bronze swords with winged-shaped handles and for domestication of horses. The Illyrians occupied lands extending from the Danube, Sava, and Morava rivers to the Adriatic Sea and the Sar Mountains. At various times, groups of Illyrians migrated over land and sea into Italy.
The Illyrians carried on commerce and warfare with their neighbors. The ancient Macedonians probably had some Illyrian roots, but their ruling class adopted Greek cultural characteristics. The Illyrians also mingled with the Thracians, another ancient people with adjoining lands on the east. In the south and along the Adriatic Sea coast, the Illyrians were heavily influenced by the Greeks, who founded trading colonies there. The present-day city of Durrës evolved from a Greek colony known as Epidamnos, which was founded at the end of the seventh century B.C. Another famous Greek colony, Apollonia, arose between Durrës and the port city of Vlorë.
Link:
http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?frd/cstdy:@field(DOCID+al0014)

Unknown Comic

pre 16 godina

Please folks let not start this about who will show up for negoitions. No one will talk just sit there like a knot on a log. Why waste the time. Kosovo Albanians have been promised independence by a country that has not say in Europe. EU is going to make the call on Kosovo. See what happen when the US messed in Turkey Business, recalled the Ambassador and now is getting ready to invade northern Iraq. See what happens you mess in someone's business get your access to Northern Iraq cut off and possible good relations too. So does the US want to do that to the EU too?

Princip, UK

pre 16 godina

To those comments that there are no Serbian institutions within Kosovo & Metohija one needs look no further then the clearest acceptance of the the State they are.

This is exemplified by obtaining the consent of the highest recognition of state insitutions namely the request and issuing of the State Passport.

Hundreds of thousands of Serbian Passports have been requested by and issued to the Albanians in it's southern province.

Maybe the commentators who are in denial of the state they are in but there are hundreds of thousands more who understand and accept the state they are in and accept its insitutions which issued the Serbian passport - after all it is the highest acceptance of Serbian citizenship.

lazer

pre 16 godina

Clean Cut,
thay named that guy Baghdad Bob. He was on TV saying there were no Americans here while we could see the tanks rolling behind hem. That was funny.

Samardjic should switch from de-caffinated to regular coffee.
Serbia is not going to be allowed to have parallel institutions in Kosova/o.

Serbia's politicians are feeling that the check-mate is coming thats why they are sending a weak delegation.

Peter Sudyka

pre 16 godina

EA

All what you say of the possibilities for Kosovo are quite possible of course, I just doubt the diaspora will return to a country with a practically non-existent economy when they are living the good life in the West. Look at the story of this girl in Austria.

Fact of the matter is, Kosovo may have the youngest population in Europe, but whether or not they have "status", I am sure most will be pushing for life in the West. Trust me, as a Pole I know this very well, and Poland's economy is much stronger than that of Kosovo. I just don't see Kosovo (independent, if it happens) getting on its feet in a good 10-15 years.

KS

pre 16 godina

Serb Camp: "The Americans recognizing Kosovo's independence doesn't make Kosovo an independent country any more than the Bulgarians recognizing California's independence would make California an independent country."

Serb camp these posts are getting childish by the day.

America is a super power ---- Bulgaria economically is the same with Kosova and its' military presence is WEAK.

Please don't post these MYTH facts because everyone is getting tired.

mark

pre 16 godina

here is a quiz for the smart people here: who started several wars in balkans and lost all of them? oh yes it was not serbs right -:) .... why do people care who leads kosova- please get real Serbia's osition is weak, they did masacres is kosova and albanians dont wnat anything to do with serbs - it clear - go live on in your own country and kosova has not been part of serboa for almost 10 years now

johny

pre 16 godina

Delije said:" Do you want Kosovo in the EU with Serbia & the rest of the balkans or independence and poverty?"

Delije we would rather be independent from Serbia and poor rather than within Serbia and in any other situation then you'll understand the reality on the ground, then you'll understand that when we say independence from Serbia we are not kidding ourselves.

EA

pre 16 godina

To me the talks with Serbia are over. I really do believe so. The delay of independence after the 10th of December is purely in respect of the USA and Europe. Nevertheless I still believe that Kosovar Albanians should co-ordinate their actions with the USA and Europe and boycott further "talks" and "negotiations" with Serbia.

Lenard

pre 16 godina

Serbians talks of damage to the state if Kosovo is independent. What about the damage to Bosnia in Srpska where over 690,000 Bosniaks ,Croatians and others remain ethnically cleansed 12years after the war. That was planed ,financed ,supported and orchestrated from Belgrade. Where Serbia makes special deals with the Srpska entity in all kind of state fields. Treats Srpska like it is independent state which is not and by pases the legitimate internationally recognized Bosnian government. Serbia plays a double standard when it suits them. Talks about intrinsic law when it is in there interest. Treat other nations and people like you like to be treated then all will go well for Serbia.

Agim Elshani

pre 16 godina

In any case, should the worse-case scenario come to being, the Serbian state will continue to function in Kosovo the way it does today or even to a larger extent,” the Kosovo minister noted.

Wait a minute , where is this guy living , is it another planet.
With all due respect Mr. Minister how in the world are yopu maintaining so called teritorial integrity ?
I do not see around me any Serbian institutions anywhere, so what are you talking about.

Clean Cut

pre 16 godina

I'm telling you. This guy, Mr. Samardzic is exactly like that ex-Iraqi-Minister who while American troops were on the outskirts of Bagdad, he was declaring on TV: Who? They? They are nowhere! Not here! Not there! Nowhere! :-)

For the sake of your own people, stop lying!

louie

pre 16 godina

I don't know who yet from K-Albanians will be there,but to send a Foreign Minister and a mini Minister to Brussels on behalf of Serbia,it shows how serious the Belgrade are!
They are again stalling and underestimating K-Albanians.
Until the day when Serbia treat K-Albanians as an equal partners,they will be in losing side.

serbiasnightmare

pre 16 godina

'cede over numerous competencies" . This guy needs a reality check. After all that happened in the balkans and Serbia's initiations of those events, those competencies this person speaks about should be first tested and monitored in Belgrade before they think they can try 'ceding' it to people who already have it.

Delije

pre 16 godina

EA, yes it's over. The dream of independence is over. Pristina comes with the same demands, independence or unrest. The EU & UN see this & sees Serbia, no matter who it sends, trying hard to come to a solution. Pristina isn't ready for independence and will never be. Take autonomy, ride Serbia's coat-tails into the EU & all this will end because boarders won't matter. Kosovo on it's own will never get into the EU, muchless before other balkan countries. Albania herself will get in before Kosovo does standing alone. But I know, you rather be independent and live in poverty then have anything to do Serbia & that is Pristinas problem. Leaders that can't see the future but only demand the present. The K-Albanians should elect succesful businessmen to their gov not the people they have now. All they care about is their goals not Kosovo's or her people. Former military heads can't lead people bcause they lead with a military attitude. Look @ Burma.

Jovan

pre 16 godina

reading those albanian comments, one can get the impression that you don´t know what you want, at all.
there are no serbian institutions in Kosmet? well, do you want some? I guess, sooner or later there will be some, but only a few, since you will have your broad autonomy. you will call it "independence" ...even if it will be only a placebo without any UNSC-decision... so it is only a question of time, and you will be asking for serbian institutions...

lola

pre 16 godina

There are about 6 remarks before this one and all Albanien supporters-It is amazing how smart you all are. Imagine you all agree with each other. You all think that Kosovo Albaniens are so pure and peacefull mayby we should not call it Kosovo/a but ......... I leave it to you peacefull people since you know how to bad mouth and lie abot Serbs so well.

Delije

pre 16 godina

Cont... Look @ Burma. Military leaders only want power even if they have to turn on their people. At that point autonomy isn't so bad. Do you want Kosovo in the EU with Serbia & the rest of the balkans or independence and poverty? Serbia is almost their the EU is in sight, but Kosovo alone is 50 years away to even be considered by EU & it's standerds. Think like a businessmen not a militant.

Ron

pre 16 godina

Kosovo is being led by the same KLA people who started all of this misery to begin with.

If you compare the Hague indictments that have been issued against KLA commanders to those issued against Serbian officials you see that the KLA's alleged war crimes began in 1998 BEFORE any of the alleged Serbian war crimes.

Every Serbian war crime alleged by Hague Prosecutors happened DURING the NATO bombing. There is not a single Serbian war crime alleged in Kosovo BEFORE the NATO attack.

The only exception to that was Racak, but ICTY prosecutors recently dropped Racak from the indictments against Milutinovic, and the rest of the so-called "Kosovo six".

The Kosovo-Albanians have nothing to fear by staying in Serbia as long as they don't provoke Serbia with NATO bombing raids and KLA terrorist attacks. All they have to do is behave like civilized people and they'll be fine.

The Kosovo-Albanians can either choose a common European future with Serbia or they can choose "independence" and a future of poverty and isolation.

Any form of Kosovo "independence" will be short lived anyway. The geo-political situation will change eventually and Serbia will get its territory back, no matter what the Albanians do now.

Recognition of an independent Kosovo can be recinded quite easily. The UN will never recognize Kosovo, and any country that does will do so in violation of Resolution 1244. If they want to take away Kosovo's recognition all they have to say is "we're going to abide by the Security Council resolition" and they'll be off the hook.

The Americans recognizing Kosovo's independence doesn't make Kosovo an independent country any more than the Bulgarians recognizing California's independence would make California an independent country.

smile

pre 16 godina

Well done Rob. Our civilians and policemen were killed throughout 1998, and even 1997, yet not a single of our soldiers, civilians or politiciasn is accused of war crimes in Kosovo in 1998, they all relate to after 24 march1999. there was an armed rebellion by a group that was on the state department terrorism list there and apparently the response was restrained even though they killed our people, our offices. what happens stateside when someone killes a cop, just one? they give them a country?

EA

pre 16 godina

Peter,
The "talks" will continue until the 10th of December so don't worry about it. The Kosovar Albanians have agreed to it. We are talking after the 10th of December.
I can see from you comment that you do not like the idea of Kosova's independence
"Serbia means something to EU too (a lot better investment in having them as a part of the EU than some independent Kosovo, don't you think?). Don't think the EU is some kind of brother to Kosovo Albanians and that they are against Serbia, they are aiming for stability, and there is absolutely no guarantee they will back you after Dec 10 (they are definitely not as supportive as the US when it comes to unilateral recognition, surely you can see this)"
In your mind is fixed that Kosova can not live without Serbia. Do you know that Kosova soon will have access to the Albanian port of Durres and Shengjin in at least two hours. Secondly do you know that there is a strong Kosovar diaspora abroad, very successful who will be contributed to their country as soon as the status is settled once and for all. I have never been to Kosova but I have read that the landscape is wonderful and Kosova can be like Switzerland in a reasonably short period of time. Kosova is going to be a small country and with the support of the international community will be a success. The populations of Kosova is the youngest in Europe. I am not asking you to change your mind but have a peace of mind that Kosova will be independend have have full sovereignity soon after the 10th of December.

Peter Sudyka

pre 16 godina

EA

How can Kosovo Albanians "boycott" further discussions with Serbia "with US and EU coordination" when the EU is just as strong as Russia in the opinion of further talks (at least until Dec 10).

Serbia means something to EU too (a lot better investment in having them as a part of the EU than some independent Kosovo, don't you think?). Don't think the EU is some kind of brother to Kosovo Albanians and that they are against Serbia, they are aiming for stability, and there is absolutely no guarantee they will back you after Dec 10 (they are definitely not as supportive as the US when it comes to unilateral recognition, surely you can see this).

KS

pre 16 godina

Serb Camp: "The Americans recognizing Kosovo's independence doesn't make Kosovo an independent country any more than the Bulgarians recognizing California's independence would make California an independent country."

Serb camp these posts are getting childish by the day.

America is a super power ---- Bulgaria economically is the same with Kosova and its' military presence is WEAK.

Please don't post these MYTH facts because everyone is getting tired.

m.h.

pre 16 godina

"Albanians have more than 4000 years in Balkan."

written by "m.h."

dear m.h.:

I can understand that you desperately wish that to be true... but, ...unfortunately the illyrian myth is simply an Albanian dream! your "friends" the Americans de-mystified that invention...and have scientifically proven that you came from the Caucasus at the same time as the Serbs arrived in the Balkans.

so, these attempts to present yourself as the native owners of that part of Europe is only a lousy joke.

by the way, did you know that the Slovenians call themselves the descendants of the Illyrians?
(Jovan, 13. October 2007 20:48)


I am sorry JOVAN
The Library of Congress
Albania
THE ANCIENT ILLYRIANS

Figure 2. Illyria under Roman Rule, First Century B.C.
Source: Based on information from R. Ernest Dupuy and Trevor N. Dupuy, The Encyclopedia of Military History, New York, 1970, 95; Herman Kinder and Werner Hilgemann, The Anchor Atlas of World History, 1, New York, 1974, 90, 94; and Encyclopaedia Britannica, 15, New York, , 1092.
Mystery enshrouds the exact origins of today's Albanians. Most historians of the Balkans believe the Albanian people are in large part descendants of the ancient Illyrians, who, like other Balkan peoples, were subdivided into tribes and clans. The name Albania is derived from the name of an Illyrian tribe called the Arber, or Arbereshë, and later Albanoi, that lived near Durrës. The Illyrians were Indo-European tribesmen who appeared in the western part of the Balkan Peninsula about 1000 B.C., a period coinciding with the end of the Bronze Age and beginning of the Iron Age. They inhabited much of the area for at least the next millennium. Archaeologists associate the Illyrians with the Hallstatt culture, an Iron Age people noted for production of iron and bronze swords with winged-shaped handles and for domestication of horses. The Illyrians occupied lands extending from the Danube, Sava, and Morava rivers to the Adriatic Sea and the Sar Mountains. At various times, groups of Illyrians migrated over land and sea into Italy.
The Illyrians carried on commerce and warfare with their neighbors. The ancient Macedonians probably had some Illyrian roots, but their ruling class adopted Greek cultural characteristics. The Illyrians also mingled with the Thracians, another ancient people with adjoining lands on the east. In the south and along the Adriatic Sea coast, the Illyrians were heavily influenced by the Greeks, who founded trading colonies there. The present-day city of Durrës evolved from a Greek colony known as Epidamnos, which was founded at the end of the seventh century B.C. Another famous Greek colony, Apollonia, arose between Durrës and the port city of Vlorë.
Link:
http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?frd/cstdy:@field(DOCID+al0014)

mark

pre 16 godina

here is a quiz for the smart people here: who started several wars in balkans and lost all of them? oh yes it was not serbs right -:) .... why do people care who leads kosova- please get real Serbia's osition is weak, they did masacres is kosova and albanians dont wnat anything to do with serbs - it clear - go live on in your own country and kosova has not been part of serboa for almost 10 years now

Unknown Comic

pre 16 godina

Please folks let not start this about who will show up for negoitions. No one will talk just sit there like a knot on a log. Why waste the time. Kosovo Albanians have been promised independence by a country that has not say in Europe. EU is going to make the call on Kosovo. See what happen when the US messed in Turkey Business, recalled the Ambassador and now is getting ready to invade northern Iraq. See what happens you mess in someone's business get your access to Northern Iraq cut off and possible good relations too. So does the US want to do that to the EU too?

johny

pre 16 godina

Delije said:" Do you want Kosovo in the EU with Serbia & the rest of the balkans or independence and poverty?"

Delije we would rather be independent from Serbia and poor rather than within Serbia and in any other situation then you'll understand the reality on the ground, then you'll understand that when we say independence from Serbia we are not kidding ourselves.

Princip, UK

pre 16 godina

To those comments that there are no Serbian institutions within Kosovo & Metohija one needs look no further then the clearest acceptance of the the State they are.

This is exemplified by obtaining the consent of the highest recognition of state insitutions namely the request and issuing of the State Passport.

Hundreds of thousands of Serbian Passports have been requested by and issued to the Albanians in it's southern province.

Maybe the commentators who are in denial of the state they are in but there are hundreds of thousands more who understand and accept the state they are in and accept its insitutions which issued the Serbian passport - after all it is the highest acceptance of Serbian citizenship.

lazer

pre 16 godina

Clean Cut,
thay named that guy Baghdad Bob. He was on TV saying there were no Americans here while we could see the tanks rolling behind hem. That was funny.

Samardjic should switch from de-caffinated to regular coffee.
Serbia is not going to be allowed to have parallel institutions in Kosova/o.

Serbia's politicians are feeling that the check-mate is coming thats why they are sending a weak delegation.

Peter Sudyka

pre 16 godina

EA

All what you say of the possibilities for Kosovo are quite possible of course, I just doubt the diaspora will return to a country with a practically non-existent economy when they are living the good life in the West. Look at the story of this girl in Austria.

Fact of the matter is, Kosovo may have the youngest population in Europe, but whether or not they have "status", I am sure most will be pushing for life in the West. Trust me, as a Pole I know this very well, and Poland's economy is much stronger than that of Kosovo. I just don't see Kosovo (independent, if it happens) getting on its feet in a good 10-15 years.