You really make me laugh with your origin and historical "things" that you say, but I better deal with people like you everyday than with people with guns and whatever other freakish ideas, with all kinds of hats and symbols.
I can understand that you desperately wish that to be true... but, ...unfortunately the illyrian myth is simply an albanian dream! your "friends" the Americans de-mystified that invention...and have scientifically proven that you came from the Caucasus at the same time as the Serbs arrived in the Balkans.
so, these attempts to present yourself as the native owners of that part of Europe is only a lousy joke.
by the way, did you know that the Slovenians call themselves the descendants of the Illyrians?
Wow... unbelievable. Albanians here are actually complaining about Serbia settling SERBS in Serbia. Like what we can't even live in our own country now???
Suzy,
The fact is that the ethnic composition of Vojvodina was greatly altered in the last 80 some years by the policy of Serbia to settle there as many Serbs as possible.
I look at the commentaries made by many serbs of how Kosova/Kosovo should be named, how it can be related with Mexico-US problems, how it is an undisputable part of Serbia and so forth. I would really ask all of you if you were in Kosova before 1999. I did not see any sacretnes there except you sistematicaly making the Albanian lives miserable, and if this is sacred to you advised by the church(no disrespect)than so be it. But I would not wish this to have happen to any serbian what happened to albanians then. I can garantee you that there was no albanian family left without being beaten or being brutalized by the Serbian police over the course of years. For some of the serbian guys here for whom Kosova/Kosovo is the sacred place but they were never in kosova, they do not know what they're talking about(they are part of chain reaction caused by others). For those who lived there before '99, they know what I am talking about, and for many others who served side by side with Arkan this article does not have any meaning.
So I really do not know how do you guys think, when it comes integrating kosova back into Serbia, in which your pre-1999 mentality hasn't change. Last election the majority of the people voted for radical party(same party that supported the killing and mass expelling of Albanians from Kosova). Considering all this, you havent change much and therefore you cannot realisticly have control of kosova because the only way you know is to control with an iron grip.
I think it is nice to have a large pot to stick your hand and grab as much money as you want, and have somebody else fill it for you. I think that we paid enough,not only with money but with blood too. Just to convince you try and dig a little further into your own backyards or swim in Danube and you might run into evidence of what your trucks broat from kosova.
So I think it is best for you guys to go about your own way, and for us to head about our own way and live happily ever after.
All of these albanian bloggers are going to get an education in Realpolitik after Dec 10 when the UN (and the EU) rejects their declaration and passes a resolution denouncing the US for recognizing it. Then they will have no options left. The EU can't afford to have a Russian satellite (Serbia) in their midst and the UN can't stomach separatists demanding independence all over the world. I think this UN resolution will actually benefit the US because it will awaken the Bush administration to the reality of their failed Iraq policy.
Very well put Samardzic. A policy o force? that would be a breach of the laws which they so wholey claim to represent. KosovO always has and always will be Serbian land. The US seems to think that they can command the world. Going into iraq because there were supposedly nuclear weapons and what so ever. The have messed up iraq. They claim that Iran will use nuclear weapons. Its not iran we have to worry about, its the US. I mean Hiroshima was nothing? Then they dare to talk about genocide. The whole place is a joke. And yes it is true that albania, macedonia and parts around there were once part of the serbian kingdom but that is in the past.It even extended down to part of greece. Look it up. KosovO is serbian and always will be. For those supposed ex citizens, they have no more to say as they are illegally in serbia. No passports, im not surprised they are all rushing into Sremska Mitrovica, Novi Sad and other places for serbian passports. As stated we will not take militairy action. No need. To unilaterally take kosvo is again the UN Resolution 1244. Oh not to mention, what say has NATO got in this? Those questioning Russias stance, must only look no further than seeing that Russia is preventing a breach of laws which we are all expected to abide by as civil people. But the US is far from civil. Russia is also at a stance, it could easily take Ossetia and other states around it but it would lose Chechnya, so they, rather than breaking internation laws, put a veto against such a contradictive resolution. Oh and don't worry, as many very wise people have stated here, i will also be fully supporting the break off of texas and its handing over to the mexicans.The EU? That in itself is a joke. Who would give up 15% their own land, which has belonged to them for centuries just so that they would be recognised as being in Europe. Surprising they praise the thought of Serbia entering the EU to be recognised as a European country considering the world map shows that it is in Europe.
"this is a free and globalized world, you don´t like serbia? very good, pack up and leave! i wish you all the luck in the world!"
(raso, 12. October 2007 18:50)
Albanians have more than 4000 years in Balkan. What about serbs? where they are from?, When they came in this soil?
Serb friends,Very generos people.
I find it very unwise of you to give Vojvodina as an example. For the last 80-85 years Serbia was constantly sending Serbian settlers or refugees to Vojvodina to alter the ethnical composition of that province. As a result Serbs make up today 70-75% of the population. The Hungarians, who used to be the largest group after the Serbs make up today only 300,000. It is not Kosova where some 2 million plus K-Albanians make up 95% of the population. If in Vojvodina the minorities would be in bigger numbers - meaning in majority - than believe me they would have rebeled against their treatment a long time ago.
I noticed some Albanians are not familiar with the map of Europe, which by the way, Russia is a part of, however, not in its entirety. These same people believe that Russia should not get involved in European matters, however, the US which is not a part of Europe, should. The truth to the matter is the US is a world menace that wishes to impose its will through force. In pursuit of their imperialistic goals, they will renege on any prior commitments and dishonour anything they have signed. They have double standards. If it were not for them, the world would be a better place. There would be peace amongst nations!! This war on terror is just a fascade for their real aspirations, global domination. Their strength and superiority can be demonstrated in their quest for righteousness, as they are the champions of freedom and justice. Why then are'nt they in China, a country that violates human rights. The answer, China is too big. They can only invade smaller countries where they believe they can win, afterall, look at their victories in Viet Nam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Somolia, etc.
One of the sticking points that Russia and Serbia have been persuading is that negotiations should continue indefinitly, the preparation document that will lead to conclusion that the Dec. 10 deadline WILL take effect has both Russia and Serbia very upset. Well well well, what do we have here, two unhappy puppies. Nothing lasts forever.
Kosova/o was a gift to the new formed Kingdom of Yugoslavia. It was done in a solemn conference without even asking the people who lived in Kosova/o at that time.
This time is different.
so even albania is serbian now! and greece too,i hope?
remenber me kalemagdan is a serbian word,isn't it? so bzeograd was not serbian according to toponyms?
Yeah Bob Petrovich,Japan was once also serbian land to...
Get real ,want do you think??that the one whose reading your comments gona belive that ??
If you missed your history classes..well is never to late to start over...
immigrants? what immigrants are you talking about?
those kosovo albanians that came back in their homes and that you expelled from kosovo during the so called agrarian reform?
according to your statistics there was only 2700 albanian citizen in kosova,so stop your delirium about albanians invading kosovo and just see reality:your politics has,is and will fail because YOU are the invaders in kosovo.
GSP, not even then. Texas was a part of Mexico, Kosovo was never part of Albania. It is wrong analogy and should never be used.
If you want comparrison, it is as if China force U.S. to surrender first 13 states
to Cuba.
Comparrison is even more flawed because present day Albania was once Serbian land, as toponyms and historical records show.
(Bob Petrovich, 12. October 2007 19:42)
Albania extend from one corner to the next, look up, "ethnic albania."
Bob wrote:
"Comparrison is even more flawed because present day Albania was once Serbian land, as toponyms and historical records show"
Bob, where did the Albanians come from, the moon ?
You sound like an inteligent man but i think your knowledge of history is flawed. Albanians have occupied land all the way up to Nish and beyond but it was the Serbian greed that drove albanins out of their land and into exile.
"The U.S. may try to impose Ahtisaari's plan with a policy of force, but it will realize that force may not change Resolution 1244 or the Constitution of Serbia, which means that it may never change the fact that Kosovo and Metohija is an integral and inalienable part of Serbia's territory," specified Samardžić.
Lili is right there are alot of people in Kosovo that don't want
to live in Kosovo. Those people should leave Serbia immediately and go live somewhere else.
Very emotional Samardzic,
I am sure is making USA cry now. Poor chap doesn't realise that Kosova is lost for good. Watch the other parts of Serbia. Get involved with the Albanian population in Presevo, Bujanovac and Medvedja and listen to their concerns otherwise you will be looking for more "negotiations" and "compromises" to solve their issues.
Actually, this minister reminds me of that famous television star Iraqi minister before troops got to Bagdad: Who? They? They are nowhere, not here, not there, Nowhere!
lily- Kosovo is still a part of Serbia legally. These ex citizen you are talking about are non existent. They are still Serbian citizens.
You don't have to accept it, if the us stands with Serbia but you still have to live with the desicion made for the the province. At that point will the Albanian community start a revolution? Its not fair to say that nobody wants to stay with us, just look at Vojvodina. That area of Serbia is filled with others including Romanians, Hungarians and Bulgarians and they can be civil and not want to make it a independent province. Now tell me how SERBIA is the problem. And please people stop insulting us by calling it Kosova it has no meaning. It is a made up word to accommidate your own beliefs. It is KOSOVO and it will ALWAYS BE KOSOVO.
No Mr. Minister! U.S. wants to break Serbia from people like you, who drag their own people into confusion, illusion, and despair. U.S. wants to have Serbia in EU, but not with people like you, who still see NATO as a "monster" that seeks slavic victims around the world.
GSP, not even then. Texas was a part of Mexico, Kosovo was never part of Albania. It is wrong analogy and should never be used.
If you want comparrison, it is as if China force U.S. to surrender first 13 states
to Cuba.
Comparrison is even more flawed because present day Albania was once Serbian land, as toponyms and historical records show.
The US is putting it's nose where it doesn't belong?
Oh yeah? So why is Russia putting it's nose where it doesn't belong also?
Kosovo is an EU problem. EU has strong ties to US, economically speaking. Of course US will have a say, because that's where it's investments will be at.
And Russia also wants a say, because it also has economic ties with Serbia, and it is in Russia's interest to draw a country like Serbia under it's umbrella.
The EU and US are great business partners, and the EU gets alot of energy from Russia...that's why both US and Russia get to have a say on this issue.
But only 1 can win, and it's usually the US who does. But that's a talent, not a negative.
To GSP: "the problem here is the US putting their nose where it doesn't belong. "
The problem is that Russia is putting its nose where it doesn't belong. The problem would have been resolved while ago if it wasn't fur russians who are feeding false hopes to serbia and Serbs living in Kosovo.
Lili, know what you're talking about. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that the US has screwed up in the past and now in the present. Kosovo is still a part of Serbia and will never be independent of it's country. NEVER!
It is a fact that if independence is declared Serbia's territorial protection under 1244 still stands - while of course its obligations do not!!! At any time in the future a military intervention by Serbia would therefore be legal - even in 100 years time. (Provided they obeyed the laws of war of course).
The best solution is an agreed solution with a proper legal basis. It would leave the way clear for integration with the EU project - when that happens borders won't matter much anyway.
Also a mutual agreement would do much to undermine the nationalistic nasties (Albanian or Serbian).
the only thing here is that SERBIA IS THE PROBLEM,not usa,not kosovo,just the way serbia and serbian stand:they still believe kosova is " theirs" and have not yet understand that their ex citizen,do not want to live with them and will not want to live with them,whatever america can say futher more!
even if usa says us:stand with serbia,we will notaccept it:that's the only thing that matters and you DO know why nobody wants to stay with you!
GSP, not even then. Texas was a part of Mexico, Kosovo was never part of Albania. It is wrong analogy and should never be used.
If you want comparrison, it is as if China force U.S. to surrender first 13 states
to Cuba.
Comparrison is even more flawed because present day Albania was once Serbian land, as toponyms and historical records show.
the only thing here is that SERBIA IS THE PROBLEM,not usa,not kosovo,just the way serbia and serbian stand:they still believe kosova is " theirs" and have not yet understand that their ex citizen,do not want to live with them and will not want to live with them,whatever america can say futher more!
even if usa says us:stand with serbia,we will notaccept it:that's the only thing that matters and you DO know why nobody wants to stay with you!
Lili, know what you're talking about. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that the US has screwed up in the past and now in the present. Kosovo is still a part of Serbia and will never be independent of it's country. NEVER!
It is a fact that if independence is declared Serbia's territorial protection under 1244 still stands - while of course its obligations do not!!! At any time in the future a military intervention by Serbia would therefore be legal - even in 100 years time. (Provided they obeyed the laws of war of course).
The best solution is an agreed solution with a proper legal basis. It would leave the way clear for integration with the EU project - when that happens borders won't matter much anyway.
Also a mutual agreement would do much to undermine the nationalistic nasties (Albanian or Serbian).
To GSP: "the problem here is the US putting their nose where it doesn't belong. "
The problem is that Russia is putting its nose where it doesn't belong. The problem would have been resolved while ago if it wasn't fur russians who are feeding false hopes to serbia and Serbs living in Kosovo.
No Mr. Minister! U.S. wants to break Serbia from people like you, who drag their own people into confusion, illusion, and despair. U.S. wants to have Serbia in EU, but not with people like you, who still see NATO as a "monster" that seeks slavic victims around the world.
Very emotional Samardzic,
I am sure is making USA cry now. Poor chap doesn't realise that Kosova is lost for good. Watch the other parts of Serbia. Get involved with the Albanian population in Presevo, Bujanovac and Medvedja and listen to their concerns otherwise you will be looking for more "negotiations" and "compromises" to solve their issues.
Yeah Bob Petrovich,Japan was once also serbian land to...
Get real ,want do you think??that the one whose reading your comments gona belive that ??
If you missed your history classes..well is never to late to start over...
The US is putting it's nose where it doesn't belong?
Oh yeah? So why is Russia putting it's nose where it doesn't belong also?
Kosovo is an EU problem. EU has strong ties to US, economically speaking. Of course US will have a say, because that's where it's investments will be at.
And Russia also wants a say, because it also has economic ties with Serbia, and it is in Russia's interest to draw a country like Serbia under it's umbrella.
The EU and US are great business partners, and the EU gets alot of energy from Russia...that's why both US and Russia get to have a say on this issue.
But only 1 can win, and it's usually the US who does. But that's a talent, not a negative.
Actually, this minister reminds me of that famous television star Iraqi minister before troops got to Bagdad: Who? They? They are nowhere, not here, not there, Nowhere!
Bob wrote:
"Comparrison is even more flawed because present day Albania was once Serbian land, as toponyms and historical records show"
Bob, where did the Albanians come from, the moon ?
You sound like an inteligent man but i think your knowledge of history is flawed. Albanians have occupied land all the way up to Nish and beyond but it was the Serbian greed that drove albanins out of their land and into exile.
I look at the commentaries made by many serbs of how Kosova/Kosovo should be named, how it can be related with Mexico-US problems, how it is an undisputable part of Serbia and so forth. I would really ask all of you if you were in Kosova before 1999. I did not see any sacretnes there except you sistematicaly making the Albanian lives miserable, and if this is sacred to you advised by the church(no disrespect)than so be it. But I would not wish this to have happen to any serbian what happened to albanians then. I can garantee you that there was no albanian family left without being beaten or being brutalized by the Serbian police over the course of years. For some of the serbian guys here for whom Kosova/Kosovo is the sacred place but they were never in kosova, they do not know what they're talking about(they are part of chain reaction caused by others). For those who lived there before '99, they know what I am talking about, and for many others who served side by side with Arkan this article does not have any meaning.
So I really do not know how do you guys think, when it comes integrating kosova back into Serbia, in which your pre-1999 mentality hasn't change. Last election the majority of the people voted for radical party(same party that supported the killing and mass expelling of Albanians from Kosova). Considering all this, you havent change much and therefore you cannot realisticly have control of kosova because the only way you know is to control with an iron grip.
I think it is nice to have a large pot to stick your hand and grab as much money as you want, and have somebody else fill it for you. I think that we paid enough,not only with money but with blood too. Just to convince you try and dig a little further into your own backyards or swim in Danube and you might run into evidence of what your trucks broat from kosova.
So I think it is best for you guys to go about your own way, and for us to head about our own way and live happily ever after.
lily- Kosovo is still a part of Serbia legally. These ex citizen you are talking about are non existent. They are still Serbian citizens.
You don't have to accept it, if the us stands with Serbia but you still have to live with the desicion made for the the province. At that point will the Albanian community start a revolution? Its not fair to say that nobody wants to stay with us, just look at Vojvodina. That area of Serbia is filled with others including Romanians, Hungarians and Bulgarians and they can be civil and not want to make it a independent province. Now tell me how SERBIA is the problem. And please people stop insulting us by calling it Kosova it has no meaning. It is a made up word to accommidate your own beliefs. It is KOSOVO and it will ALWAYS BE KOSOVO.
Lili is right there are alot of people in Kosovo that don't want
to live in Kosovo. Those people should leave Serbia immediately and go live somewhere else.
GSP, not even then. Texas was a part of Mexico, Kosovo was never part of Albania. It is wrong analogy and should never be used.
If you want comparrison, it is as if China force U.S. to surrender first 13 states
to Cuba.
Comparrison is even more flawed because present day Albania was once Serbian land, as toponyms and historical records show.
(Bob Petrovich, 12. October 2007 19:42)
Albania extend from one corner to the next, look up, "ethnic albania."
so even albania is serbian now! and greece too,i hope?
remenber me kalemagdan is a serbian word,isn't it? so bzeograd was not serbian according to toponyms?
"The U.S. may try to impose Ahtisaari's plan with a policy of force, but it will realize that force may not change Resolution 1244 or the Constitution of Serbia, which means that it may never change the fact that Kosovo and Metohija is an integral and inalienable part of Serbia's territory," specified Samardžić.
I noticed some Albanians are not familiar with the map of Europe, which by the way, Russia is a part of, however, not in its entirety. These same people believe that Russia should not get involved in European matters, however, the US which is not a part of Europe, should. The truth to the matter is the US is a world menace that wishes to impose its will through force. In pursuit of their imperialistic goals, they will renege on any prior commitments and dishonour anything they have signed. They have double standards. If it were not for them, the world would be a better place. There would be peace amongst nations!! This war on terror is just a fascade for their real aspirations, global domination. Their strength and superiority can be demonstrated in their quest for righteousness, as they are the champions of freedom and justice. Why then are'nt they in China, a country that violates human rights. The answer, China is too big. They can only invade smaller countries where they believe they can win, afterall, look at their victories in Viet Nam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Somolia, etc.
"this is a free and globalized world, you don´t like serbia? very good, pack up and leave! i wish you all the luck in the world!"
(raso, 12. October 2007 18:50)
Albanians have more than 4000 years in Balkan. What about serbs? where they are from?, When they came in this soil?
Serb friends,Very generos people.
One of the sticking points that Russia and Serbia have been persuading is that negotiations should continue indefinitly, the preparation document that will lead to conclusion that the Dec. 10 deadline WILL take effect has both Russia and Serbia very upset. Well well well, what do we have here, two unhappy puppies. Nothing lasts forever.
Kosova/o was a gift to the new formed Kingdom of Yugoslavia. It was done in a solemn conference without even asking the people who lived in Kosova/o at that time.
This time is different.
I find it very unwise of you to give Vojvodina as an example. For the last 80-85 years Serbia was constantly sending Serbian settlers or refugees to Vojvodina to alter the ethnical composition of that province. As a result Serbs make up today 70-75% of the population. The Hungarians, who used to be the largest group after the Serbs make up today only 300,000. It is not Kosova where some 2 million plus K-Albanians make up 95% of the population. If in Vojvodina the minorities would be in bigger numbers - meaning in majority - than believe me they would have rebeled against their treatment a long time ago.
Suzy,
The fact is that the ethnic composition of Vojvodina was greatly altered in the last 80 some years by the policy of Serbia to settle there as many Serbs as possible.
immigrants? what immigrants are you talking about?
those kosovo albanians that came back in their homes and that you expelled from kosovo during the so called agrarian reform?
according to your statistics there was only 2700 albanian citizen in kosova,so stop your delirium about albanians invading kosovo and just see reality:your politics has,is and will fail because YOU are the invaders in kosovo.
All of these albanian bloggers are going to get an education in Realpolitik after Dec 10 when the UN (and the EU) rejects their declaration and passes a resolution denouncing the US for recognizing it. Then they will have no options left. The EU can't afford to have a Russian satellite (Serbia) in their midst and the UN can't stomach separatists demanding independence all over the world. I think this UN resolution will actually benefit the US because it will awaken the Bush administration to the reality of their failed Iraq policy.
Very well put Samardzic. A policy o force? that would be a breach of the laws which they so wholey claim to represent. KosovO always has and always will be Serbian land. The US seems to think that they can command the world. Going into iraq because there were supposedly nuclear weapons and what so ever. The have messed up iraq. They claim that Iran will use nuclear weapons. Its not iran we have to worry about, its the US. I mean Hiroshima was nothing? Then they dare to talk about genocide. The whole place is a joke. And yes it is true that albania, macedonia and parts around there were once part of the serbian kingdom but that is in the past.It even extended down to part of greece. Look it up. KosovO is serbian and always will be. For those supposed ex citizens, they have no more to say as they are illegally in serbia. No passports, im not surprised they are all rushing into Sremska Mitrovica, Novi Sad and other places for serbian passports. As stated we will not take militairy action. No need. To unilaterally take kosvo is again the UN Resolution 1244. Oh not to mention, what say has NATO got in this? Those questioning Russias stance, must only look no further than seeing that Russia is preventing a breach of laws which we are all expected to abide by as civil people. But the US is far from civil. Russia is also at a stance, it could easily take Ossetia and other states around it but it would lose Chechnya, so they, rather than breaking internation laws, put a veto against such a contradictive resolution. Oh and don't worry, as many very wise people have stated here, i will also be fully supporting the break off of texas and its handing over to the mexicans.The EU? That in itself is a joke. Who would give up 15% their own land, which has belonged to them for centuries just so that they would be recognised as being in Europe. Surprising they praise the thought of Serbia entering the EU to be recognised as a European country considering the world map shows that it is in Europe.
Wow... unbelievable. Albanians here are actually complaining about Serbia settling SERBS in Serbia. Like what we can't even live in our own country now???
I can understand that you desperately wish that to be true... but, ...unfortunately the illyrian myth is simply an albanian dream! your "friends" the Americans de-mystified that invention...and have scientifically proven that you came from the Caucasus at the same time as the Serbs arrived in the Balkans.
so, these attempts to present yourself as the native owners of that part of Europe is only a lousy joke.
by the way, did you know that the Slovenians call themselves the descendants of the Illyrians?
You really make me laugh with your origin and historical "things" that you say, but I better deal with people like you everyday than with people with guns and whatever other freakish ideas, with all kinds of hats and symbols.
the only thing here is that SERBIA IS THE PROBLEM,not usa,not kosovo,just the way serbia and serbian stand:they still believe kosova is " theirs" and have not yet understand that their ex citizen,do not want to live with them and will not want to live with them,whatever america can say futher more!
even if usa says us:stand with serbia,we will notaccept it:that's the only thing that matters and you DO know why nobody wants to stay with you!
GSP, not even then. Texas was a part of Mexico, Kosovo was never part of Albania. It is wrong analogy and should never be used.
If you want comparrison, it is as if China force U.S. to surrender first 13 states
to Cuba.
Comparrison is even more flawed because present day Albania was once Serbian land, as toponyms and historical records show.
Lili, know what you're talking about. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that the US has screwed up in the past and now in the present. Kosovo is still a part of Serbia and will never be independent of it's country. NEVER!
No Mr. Minister! U.S. wants to break Serbia from people like you, who drag their own people into confusion, illusion, and despair. U.S. wants to have Serbia in EU, but not with people like you, who still see NATO as a "monster" that seeks slavic victims around the world.
Very emotional Samardzic,
I am sure is making USA cry now. Poor chap doesn't realise that Kosova is lost for good. Watch the other parts of Serbia. Get involved with the Albanian population in Presevo, Bujanovac and Medvedja and listen to their concerns otherwise you will be looking for more "negotiations" and "compromises" to solve their issues.
To GSP: "the problem here is the US putting their nose where it doesn't belong. "
The problem is that Russia is putting its nose where it doesn't belong. The problem would have been resolved while ago if it wasn't fur russians who are feeding false hopes to serbia and Serbs living in Kosovo.
Bob wrote:
"Comparrison is even more flawed because present day Albania was once Serbian land, as toponyms and historical records show"
Bob, where did the Albanians come from, the moon ?
You sound like an inteligent man but i think your knowledge of history is flawed. Albanians have occupied land all the way up to Nish and beyond but it was the Serbian greed that drove albanins out of their land and into exile.
GSP, not even then. Texas was a part of Mexico, Kosovo was never part of Albania. It is wrong analogy and should never be used.
If you want comparrison, it is as if China force U.S. to surrender first 13 states
to Cuba.
Comparrison is even more flawed because present day Albania was once Serbian land, as toponyms and historical records show.
(Bob Petrovich, 12. October 2007 19:42)
Albania extend from one corner to the next, look up, "ethnic albania."
Yeah Bob Petrovich,Japan was once also serbian land to...
Get real ,want do you think??that the one whose reading your comments gona belive that ??
If you missed your history classes..well is never to late to start over...
so even albania is serbian now! and greece too,i hope?
remenber me kalemagdan is a serbian word,isn't it? so bzeograd was not serbian according to toponyms?
The US is putting it's nose where it doesn't belong?
Oh yeah? So why is Russia putting it's nose where it doesn't belong also?
Kosovo is an EU problem. EU has strong ties to US, economically speaking. Of course US will have a say, because that's where it's investments will be at.
And Russia also wants a say, because it also has economic ties with Serbia, and it is in Russia's interest to draw a country like Serbia under it's umbrella.
The EU and US are great business partners, and the EU gets alot of energy from Russia...that's why both US and Russia get to have a say on this issue.
But only 1 can win, and it's usually the US who does. But that's a talent, not a negative.
lily- Kosovo is still a part of Serbia legally. These ex citizen you are talking about are non existent. They are still Serbian citizens.
You don't have to accept it, if the us stands with Serbia but you still have to live with the desicion made for the the province. At that point will the Albanian community start a revolution? Its not fair to say that nobody wants to stay with us, just look at Vojvodina. That area of Serbia is filled with others including Romanians, Hungarians and Bulgarians and they can be civil and not want to make it a independent province. Now tell me how SERBIA is the problem. And please people stop insulting us by calling it Kosova it has no meaning. It is a made up word to accommidate your own beliefs. It is KOSOVO and it will ALWAYS BE KOSOVO.
Actually, this minister reminds me of that famous television star Iraqi minister before troops got to Bagdad: Who? They? They are nowhere, not here, not there, Nowhere!
"The U.S. may try to impose Ahtisaari's plan with a policy of force, but it will realize that force may not change Resolution 1244 or the Constitution of Serbia, which means that it may never change the fact that Kosovo and Metohija is an integral and inalienable part of Serbia's territory," specified Samardžić.
Lili is right there are alot of people in Kosovo that don't want
to live in Kosovo. Those people should leave Serbia immediately and go live somewhere else.
It is a fact that if independence is declared Serbia's territorial protection under 1244 still stands - while of course its obligations do not!!! At any time in the future a military intervention by Serbia would therefore be legal - even in 100 years time. (Provided they obeyed the laws of war of course).
The best solution is an agreed solution with a proper legal basis. It would leave the way clear for integration with the EU project - when that happens borders won't matter much anyway.
Also a mutual agreement would do much to undermine the nationalistic nasties (Albanian or Serbian).
immigrants? what immigrants are you talking about?
those kosovo albanians that came back in their homes and that you expelled from kosovo during the so called agrarian reform?
according to your statistics there was only 2700 albanian citizen in kosova,so stop your delirium about albanians invading kosovo and just see reality:your politics has,is and will fail because YOU are the invaders in kosovo.
One of the sticking points that Russia and Serbia have been persuading is that negotiations should continue indefinitly, the preparation document that will lead to conclusion that the Dec. 10 deadline WILL take effect has both Russia and Serbia very upset. Well well well, what do we have here, two unhappy puppies. Nothing lasts forever.
Kosova/o was a gift to the new formed Kingdom of Yugoslavia. It was done in a solemn conference without even asking the people who lived in Kosova/o at that time.
This time is different.
"this is a free and globalized world, you don´t like serbia? very good, pack up and leave! i wish you all the luck in the world!"
(raso, 12. October 2007 18:50)
Albanians have more than 4000 years in Balkan. What about serbs? where they are from?, When they came in this soil?
Serb friends,Very generos people.
I look at the commentaries made by many serbs of how Kosova/Kosovo should be named, how it can be related with Mexico-US problems, how it is an undisputable part of Serbia and so forth. I would really ask all of you if you were in Kosova before 1999. I did not see any sacretnes there except you sistematicaly making the Albanian lives miserable, and if this is sacred to you advised by the church(no disrespect)than so be it. But I would not wish this to have happen to any serbian what happened to albanians then. I can garantee you that there was no albanian family left without being beaten or being brutalized by the Serbian police over the course of years. For some of the serbian guys here for whom Kosova/Kosovo is the sacred place but they were never in kosova, they do not know what they're talking about(they are part of chain reaction caused by others). For those who lived there before '99, they know what I am talking about, and for many others who served side by side with Arkan this article does not have any meaning.
So I really do not know how do you guys think, when it comes integrating kosova back into Serbia, in which your pre-1999 mentality hasn't change. Last election the majority of the people voted for radical party(same party that supported the killing and mass expelling of Albanians from Kosova). Considering all this, you havent change much and therefore you cannot realisticly have control of kosova because the only way you know is to control with an iron grip.
I think it is nice to have a large pot to stick your hand and grab as much money as you want, and have somebody else fill it for you. I think that we paid enough,not only with money but with blood too. Just to convince you try and dig a little further into your own backyards or swim in Danube and you might run into evidence of what your trucks broat from kosova.
So I think it is best for you guys to go about your own way, and for us to head about our own way and live happily ever after.
I can understand that you desperately wish that to be true... but, ...unfortunately the illyrian myth is simply an albanian dream! your "friends" the Americans de-mystified that invention...and have scientifically proven that you came from the Caucasus at the same time as the Serbs arrived in the Balkans.
so, these attempts to present yourself as the native owners of that part of Europe is only a lousy joke.
by the way, did you know that the Slovenians call themselves the descendants of the Illyrians?
I noticed some Albanians are not familiar with the map of Europe, which by the way, Russia is a part of, however, not in its entirety. These same people believe that Russia should not get involved in European matters, however, the US which is not a part of Europe, should. The truth to the matter is the US is a world menace that wishes to impose its will through force. In pursuit of their imperialistic goals, they will renege on any prior commitments and dishonour anything they have signed. They have double standards. If it were not for them, the world would be a better place. There would be peace amongst nations!! This war on terror is just a fascade for their real aspirations, global domination. Their strength and superiority can be demonstrated in their quest for righteousness, as they are the champions of freedom and justice. Why then are'nt they in China, a country that violates human rights. The answer, China is too big. They can only invade smaller countries where they believe they can win, afterall, look at their victories in Viet Nam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Somolia, etc.
I find it very unwise of you to give Vojvodina as an example. For the last 80-85 years Serbia was constantly sending Serbian settlers or refugees to Vojvodina to alter the ethnical composition of that province. As a result Serbs make up today 70-75% of the population. The Hungarians, who used to be the largest group after the Serbs make up today only 300,000. It is not Kosova where some 2 million plus K-Albanians make up 95% of the population. If in Vojvodina the minorities would be in bigger numbers - meaning in majority - than believe me they would have rebeled against their treatment a long time ago.
Very well put Samardzic. A policy o force? that would be a breach of the laws which they so wholey claim to represent. KosovO always has and always will be Serbian land. The US seems to think that they can command the world. Going into iraq because there were supposedly nuclear weapons and what so ever. The have messed up iraq. They claim that Iran will use nuclear weapons. Its not iran we have to worry about, its the US. I mean Hiroshima was nothing? Then they dare to talk about genocide. The whole place is a joke. And yes it is true that albania, macedonia and parts around there were once part of the serbian kingdom but that is in the past.It even extended down to part of greece. Look it up. KosovO is serbian and always will be. For those supposed ex citizens, they have no more to say as they are illegally in serbia. No passports, im not surprised they are all rushing into Sremska Mitrovica, Novi Sad and other places for serbian passports. As stated we will not take militairy action. No need. To unilaterally take kosvo is again the UN Resolution 1244. Oh not to mention, what say has NATO got in this? Those questioning Russias stance, must only look no further than seeing that Russia is preventing a breach of laws which we are all expected to abide by as civil people. But the US is far from civil. Russia is also at a stance, it could easily take Ossetia and other states around it but it would lose Chechnya, so they, rather than breaking internation laws, put a veto against such a contradictive resolution. Oh and don't worry, as many very wise people have stated here, i will also be fully supporting the break off of texas and its handing over to the mexicans.The EU? That in itself is a joke. Who would give up 15% their own land, which has belonged to them for centuries just so that they would be recognised as being in Europe. Surprising they praise the thought of Serbia entering the EU to be recognised as a European country considering the world map shows that it is in Europe.
All of these albanian bloggers are going to get an education in Realpolitik after Dec 10 when the UN (and the EU) rejects their declaration and passes a resolution denouncing the US for recognizing it. Then they will have no options left. The EU can't afford to have a Russian satellite (Serbia) in their midst and the UN can't stomach separatists demanding independence all over the world. I think this UN resolution will actually benefit the US because it will awaken the Bush administration to the reality of their failed Iraq policy.
Suzy,
The fact is that the ethnic composition of Vojvodina was greatly altered in the last 80 some years by the policy of Serbia to settle there as many Serbs as possible.
Wow... unbelievable. Albanians here are actually complaining about Serbia settling SERBS in Serbia. Like what we can't even live in our own country now???
You really make me laugh with your origin and historical "things" that you say, but I better deal with people like you everyday than with people with guns and whatever other freakish ideas, with all kinds of hats and symbols.
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