"No troops in Kosovo in case of independence"

"We would not intervene directly with our army, but we would keep our institutions in Kosovo," Samardžić told the newspaper.
There would be no reason then to blame Albanians for the Serbian minority concerns. Belgrade is taking all the responsibility. Just to remind him that Kosova will have its own Army and fully integrated with NATO. It will be small but extremey efficent to protect Kosova's territory.

It annoys me when these Albanians come here and say "they finally see that we will get independence." Well, nothing is clear yet, so they may continue to keep on dreaming. Why are their provocative comments even allowed here? They just create arguments and do not really focus much on the topic at hand.

"in a way, those countries backed the ethnic Albanian demand for secession."

Well they back it, full stop. no "back-ed" and no "in a way" at all.
At least Belgrade is starting to realize that there is no going back. Thank you very much for paying for the Serbs as it saves Kosova a lot of money, which it needs for other things - and they say Belgrade is not generous! - but don't worry about the other minorities. As far as I know none of them has asked for any assistance from Belgrade.

dear Lazer, ...some of those countries do already think of pulling out their troops if there should be no solution in line with international law.

so, maybe you should rather start counting!

in the meantime the serbian foreignminister recently visitied Macedonia on a short weekend-meeting.
maybe they are coordinating something just for the case the Albanians start a new conflict.
you never know.
everything will be fine, without independence. you do not have to fear that!

Being Serbian, I think the Serbs deserve to lose Kosovo. If this is their attitude, then stop wasting time and just hand Kosovo over to the Albanians. The Albanians could threaten all they want, but God forbid should the Serbs counter them. We don't have the right politicians in place to initiate a strong offensive. We are submissive and therefore deserve to lose Kosovo and everything else. Our politicians are corrupt and will eventually sell the entire country. Congradulations Albanians, you deserve Kosovo, Sandjak, and the entire Serbia. More power to you, and good luck in your quest for a Greater Albania.

"The Serb population in the province would continue to have strong ties with Belgrade as regards education, infrastructure, the health care system and many other fields," he specified

So Belgrade is now announcing that it accepts the Ahtissari Plan?

"One thing, though, I dont think Serbia is going to be allowed to have parallel institutions in another country"

Isn't this what the albanian speakers have been doing for ages in Serbia?

How on earth does B92 allow such comments?

Anyways, Russia said it, no Independence.
Also did you notice that the only active country in Space Exploration and aeronautics is Russia???
Americans launch on Russian spacecrafts, from Russian bases.

Capici?

It is very CLEAR, that Serbia's leaders are starting to sink it into their brains that Kosova/o is going to be an Independent Nation, multi ethnic, equal rights and so on.
One thing, though, I dont think Serbia is going to be allowed to have parallel institutions in another country. There should be representation, but not the way this government of Serbia envisions.
He talks of sending and not sending troops, like that is so easy, what is he in a dreamland?
Kosova/o is being patroled by NATO troops, I dont even count how many countries.

A country which started wars is now afraid to send its army anywhere (Iraq, Kosova, etc). Serbia is getting weaker by the day...than again the signs did read
"Russia HELP."

Everything Samardžić said Serbia would do, and continue to do, with Serb communities in Kosovo is fully backed by the Ahtisaari Plan. So even if the worst case scenario manifests and a solution has to be imposed, Ahtisaari still remains the default setting, so at the very least, Belgrade, the SPC, and the local Serb governments in Kosovo are guaranteed to maintain these contacts. If a solution is imposed, Belgrade would probably have virtually uninterrupted communication with North Mitrovica on up.

"The Serb population in the province would continue to have strong ties with Belgrade as regards education, infrastructure, the health care system and many other fields,"
That sounds very reasonable Mr Samardžić.
I totally agree with him on demilitarisation of Kosova too. If we receive international guaranties, I don’t foresee Kosova needing a military at all. With solution on Kosova all the security matters in western Balkans do automatically cease. Those military revenues would be better used in rebuilding our shattered economies.
At last some positive signals and wise suggestions from BG. Small signals like this will help a great deal in building trust between two sides.
Well done Mr Samardžić.

I can hardly believe what I sometimes read coming out from the mouth of Serb politicians! It seems to me that they live on another planet.

When Kosovo is independent, Belgrade won't have no business there, because Kosovo would have become a sovereign nation, inhabited by Serbs, Albanians, and other ethnies.

To Slavko -

You call yourself Serbian and post what you do - that is fine, but many Serbs may find your comments unacceptable for many reasons.

When you post such comments as you have, you are giving up. Serbians have lived through SO much & have still come out with the ability to hold their heads up. Let's look at OTPOR - if these students gave up to the corrupt leadership of the disgraced Milosevic - it would have been Milosevic & not the invaders that would have been victorious & Serbia would be in the dregs of society.

Rome wasn't built in a day, Serbia (KosovO) was destroyed when the invaders came in & took over property that wasn't theirs in the first place.

To GSP:

I am more Serbian than I care to mention and fully aware of our great history. But let's face facts, the DSS was slowly moving into the Radicals' turf, they criticised Nato, snubbed the EU, and it even looked promising they were gaging themselves eastward. The Brazilian, Chinese, Indian and Russian markets are booming, so who needs the EU,
Kosovo is too high of a price to pay for EU membership.
They (DSS) are now aligning themselves more with the policies of the DS, who would give up Kosovo within a blink of an eye. Every time we mention some means of
retalliation we are silenced.
Meanwhile the Albanians can threaten, provoke and insult the Serbian nation and that is acceptable. Until we stand up, and I mean really stand up, like joining a confederation with the Russians, I'm sorry to tell you, and hoping I'm wrong, but Kosovo is GONE!!!

has belgrade just announced partition?

teni, I would like to know where this money that kosovo will save is going to be spent. could it be for the rebuilding of the state. Your people destroyed it. As for Beograd taking the responsibility for the serbs and other minorities shouldn't happen. The government in Kosovo should,we took care of your people for years.

To KS- Please enlighten me If its not ours ,who's is it? I'm curious, does it belong to Turkey? You can't make statements like that and not give an explaination to your thinking. And it doesn't belong to the kosovars. It belongs to Serbia. It always belonged to Serbia and always will belong to Serbia. Like it or not it won't become independant!

I liked mr minister's coments in case Kosova declares indipendence. It's not gonna hapen exactly as he sais but it still is a good thing to hear from the mouthe of a serbian official.
I am an albanian and I strongly suport the indipendence of Kosova. I think that the proposal plan of the albanian president of Kosova mr Seidiu makes more sence even for the serbian minoritis in Kosova, but anyway, as I stated in the begining giving signs of ecceptens of Kosova as a sovereign state from a serb representative is a good thing these days.
I hope that after the indipendence boath nations will find the ways to cooperate in the good reciprocity. Maybe as neighbours we will get along beter than living together.i belive so.

to KS -
It wasn't and isn't yours either.

Us Albanians don't say Kosova is Albanians bc that would upset people. We say Kosova belongs to the Kosovars (people who live and are from KOSOVA).

So let's agree that Kosova doesn't belong to Serbia or Albania bc if you say Kosova is Serbian I can bring up valid points how you are the invader and Kosova should be reunited with Albania since it is HER territory.
(KS, 12. October 2007 16:59)

Perhaps it would be a good thing to give this to you, the invader - then the world can see where the real problem lies.

Mike, there are more Serbs in the other part of Kosova/o
then in Mitrovica, you have to think of them.
Ahtisari UN plan is really the best solution for Kosova/o and the rest of non-Albanians. I have been saying that all along.

Jovan, I aint afraid of anything. My military id at Camp BONDSTEELE, so I have the protection, but even If I came to visit in Serbia, believe you me I have many friends so....

No country is pulling their soldiers out of Kosova/o soon, they may be rotating them, but not leaving.

"It is very CLEAR, that Serbia's leaders are starting to sink it into their brains that Kosova/o is going to be an Independent Nation, multi ethnic, equal rights and so on.
One thing, though, I dont think Serbia is going to be allowed to have parallel institutions in another country. There should be representation, but not the way this government of Serbia envisions.
He talks of sending and not sending troops, like that is so easy, what is he in a dreamland?
Kosova/o is being patroled by NATO troops, I dont even count how many countries.
(lazer, 11. October 2007 12:34)"

You are not exactly right. I think Kosovo will become independent but SOUTH OF THE IBAR only.

Belgrade not to be allowed to have parallel institutions in Kosovo? But they already exist in the north! The truth is that Pristina never controlled the north and cannot expect to do so in the future.

And another thing - and this is an irony -- the same Nato troops now patrolling Kosovo will prevent Pristina from sending any troops of its own north simply because Nato has no stomach left for another wave of ethnic violence anywhere in the world.

This effectively means de facto partition.

I wonde if Minister's coments have anything to do with NATO excersise in Croatia, see bellow paragraphs taken from BBC article:
Croatia hosts major Nato exercise
It appears to be a thinly disguised reference to current events in nearby Kosovo, whose its majority ethnic Albanian population is seeking independence from Serbia.

But any direct links are denied by French Rear Adm Alain Hinden, who is in charge of the Noble Midas exercise.

Rome wasn't built in a day, Serbia (KosovO) was destroyed when the invaders came in & took over property that wasn't theirs in the first place.
(GSP, 12. October 2007 03:41)

It wasn't and isn't yours either.

Us Albanians don't say Kosova is Albanians bc that would upset people. We say Kosova belongs to the Kosovars (people who live and are from KOSOVA).

So let's agree that Kosova doesn't belong to Serbia or Albania bc if you say Kosova is Serbian I can bring up valid points how you are the invader and Kosova should be reunited with Albania since it is HER territory.

The sooner serbia recognises that Kosova should have it's intependence just like Mountenegro the better it's going get for serbians, albanians and everyone. The serbians in Kosovo are going to have more freedom, and i believe they will have as much rights as ethnic albanians and others. However i know it is going to be really hard for serbians to swallow it as they have been missguided and manipulated for decades by their leaders and their extremist priests who tend to all be nationalistic. Just because serbians built churches 500 years ago and fought the battles against the ottoman empire there it dosn't make it a serbian spiritual land and a heart of serbia. Kosova was an ancient Illyrian (albanian)land called Dardania (in albanian the land of Darrdh which means Pear). There is plenty of information on the net even some libraries to prove my statement above. I believe there will be peace once the serbians realise that Kosovo belongs to the people that live in it not Serbia or Albania. Therefore everyone should support Kosovo's independence in order to stabilise the area. All these nations shoud respect one and other, albanian, serbian, croation, bosnian, we all look the same wether we like it or not. It's all an illusion. We should respect eachother and get along rather then fight, and stop degrading eachother. We are all the same.
*Give Kosovo Independence*

Peace from New Zealand

"We would not intervene directly with our army, but we would keep our institutions in Kosovo," Samardžić told the newspaper.
There would be no reason then to blame Albanians for the Serbian minority concerns. Belgrade is taking all the responsibility. Just to remind him that Kosova will have its own Army and fully integrated with NATO. It will be small but extremey efficent to protect Kosova's territory.

I can hardly believe what I sometimes read coming out from the mouth of Serb politicians! It seems to me that they live on another planet.

When Kosovo is independent, Belgrade won't have no business there, because Kosovo would have become a sovereign nation, inhabited by Serbs, Albanians, and other ethnies.

A country which started wars is now afraid to send its army anywhere (Iraq, Kosova, etc). Serbia is getting weaker by the day...than again the signs did read
"Russia HELP."

It is very CLEAR, that Serbia's leaders are starting to sink it into their brains that Kosova/o is going to be an Independent Nation, multi ethnic, equal rights and so on.
One thing, though, I dont think Serbia is going to be allowed to have parallel institutions in another country. There should be representation, but not the way this government of Serbia envisions.
He talks of sending and not sending troops, like that is so easy, what is he in a dreamland?
Kosova/o is being patroled by NATO troops, I dont even count how many countries.

"The Serb population in the province would continue to have strong ties with Belgrade as regards education, infrastructure, the health care system and many other fields," he specified

So Belgrade is now announcing that it accepts the Ahtissari Plan?

Being Serbian, I think the Serbs deserve to lose Kosovo. If this is their attitude, then stop wasting time and just hand Kosovo over to the Albanians. The Albanians could threaten all they want, but God forbid should the Serbs counter them. We don't have the right politicians in place to initiate a strong offensive. We are submissive and therefore deserve to lose Kosovo and everything else. Our politicians are corrupt and will eventually sell the entire country. Congradulations Albanians, you deserve Kosovo, Sandjak, and the entire Serbia. More power to you, and good luck in your quest for a Greater Albania.

"in a way, those countries backed the ethnic Albanian demand for secession."

Well they back it, full stop. no "back-ed" and no "in a way" at all.
At least Belgrade is starting to realize that there is no going back. Thank you very much for paying for the Serbs as it saves Kosova a lot of money, which it needs for other things - and they say Belgrade is not generous! - but don't worry about the other minorities. As far as I know none of them has asked for any assistance from Belgrade.

I liked mr minister's coments in case Kosova declares indipendence. It's not gonna hapen exactly as he sais but it still is a good thing to hear from the mouthe of a serbian official.
I am an albanian and I strongly suport the indipendence of Kosova. I think that the proposal plan of the albanian president of Kosova mr Seidiu makes more sence even for the serbian minoritis in Kosova, but anyway, as I stated in the begining giving signs of ecceptens of Kosova as a sovereign state from a serb representative is a good thing these days.
I hope that after the indipendence boath nations will find the ways to cooperate in the good reciprocity. Maybe as neighbours we will get along beter than living together.i belive so.

"The Serb population in the province would continue to have strong ties with Belgrade as regards education, infrastructure, the health care system and many other fields,"
That sounds very reasonable Mr Samardžić.
I totally agree with him on demilitarisation of Kosova too. If we receive international guaranties, I don’t foresee Kosova needing a military at all. With solution on Kosova all the security matters in western Balkans do automatically cease. Those military revenues would be better used in rebuilding our shattered economies.
At last some positive signals and wise suggestions from BG. Small signals like this will help a great deal in building trust between two sides.
Well done Mr Samardžić.

dear Lazer, ...some of those countries do already think of pulling out their troops if there should be no solution in line with international law.

so, maybe you should rather start counting!

in the meantime the serbian foreignminister recently visitied Macedonia on a short weekend-meeting.
maybe they are coordinating something just for the case the Albanians start a new conflict.
you never know.
everything will be fine, without independence. you do not have to fear that!

Mike, there are more Serbs in the other part of Kosova/o
then in Mitrovica, you have to think of them.
Ahtisari UN plan is really the best solution for Kosova/o and the rest of non-Albanians. I have been saying that all along.

Jovan, I aint afraid of anything. My military id at Camp BONDSTEELE, so I have the protection, but even If I came to visit in Serbia, believe you me I have many friends so....

No country is pulling their soldiers out of Kosova/o soon, they may be rotating them, but not leaving.

teni, I would like to know where this money that kosovo will save is going to be spent. could it be for the rebuilding of the state. Your people destroyed it. As for Beograd taking the responsibility for the serbs and other minorities shouldn't happen. The government in Kosovo should,we took care of your people for years.

I wonde if Minister's coments have anything to do with NATO excersise in Croatia, see bellow paragraphs taken from BBC article:
Croatia hosts major Nato exercise
It appears to be a thinly disguised reference to current events in nearby Kosovo, whose its majority ethnic Albanian population is seeking independence from Serbia.

But any direct links are denied by French Rear Adm Alain Hinden, who is in charge of the Noble Midas exercise.

Rome wasn't built in a day, Serbia (KosovO) was destroyed when the invaders came in & took over property that wasn't theirs in the first place.
(GSP, 12. October 2007 03:41)

It wasn't and isn't yours either.

Us Albanians don't say Kosova is Albanians bc that would upset people. We say Kosova belongs to the Kosovars (people who live and are from KOSOVA).

So let's agree that Kosova doesn't belong to Serbia or Albania bc if you say Kosova is Serbian I can bring up valid points how you are the invader and Kosova should be reunited with Albania since it is HER territory.

has belgrade just announced partition?

"One thing, though, I dont think Serbia is going to be allowed to have parallel institutions in another country"

Isn't this what the albanian speakers have been doing for ages in Serbia?

How on earth does B92 allow such comments?

Anyways, Russia said it, no Independence.
Also did you notice that the only active country in Space Exploration and aeronautics is Russia???
Americans launch on Russian spacecrafts, from Russian bases.

Capici?

It annoys me when these Albanians come here and say "they finally see that we will get independence." Well, nothing is clear yet, so they may continue to keep on dreaming. Why are their provocative comments even allowed here? They just create arguments and do not really focus much on the topic at hand.

Everything Samardžić said Serbia would do, and continue to do, with Serb communities in Kosovo is fully backed by the Ahtisaari Plan. So even if the worst case scenario manifests and a solution has to be imposed, Ahtisaari still remains the default setting, so at the very least, Belgrade, the SPC, and the local Serb governments in Kosovo are guaranteed to maintain these contacts. If a solution is imposed, Belgrade would probably have virtually uninterrupted communication with North Mitrovica on up.

To Slavko -

You call yourself Serbian and post what you do - that is fine, but many Serbs may find your comments unacceptable for many reasons.

When you post such comments as you have, you are giving up. Serbians have lived through SO much & have still come out with the ability to hold their heads up. Let's look at OTPOR - if these students gave up to the corrupt leadership of the disgraced Milosevic - it would have been Milosevic & not the invaders that would have been victorious & Serbia would be in the dregs of society.

Rome wasn't built in a day, Serbia (KosovO) was destroyed when the invaders came in & took over property that wasn't theirs in the first place.

"It is very CLEAR, that Serbia's leaders are starting to sink it into their brains that Kosova/o is going to be an Independent Nation, multi ethnic, equal rights and so on.
One thing, though, I dont think Serbia is going to be allowed to have parallel institutions in another country. There should be representation, but not the way this government of Serbia envisions.
He talks of sending and not sending troops, like that is so easy, what is he in a dreamland?
Kosova/o is being patroled by NATO troops, I dont even count how many countries.
(lazer, 11. October 2007 12:34)"

You are not exactly right. I think Kosovo will become independent but SOUTH OF THE IBAR only.

Belgrade not to be allowed to have parallel institutions in Kosovo? But they already exist in the north! The truth is that Pristina never controlled the north and cannot expect to do so in the future.

And another thing - and this is an irony -- the same Nato troops now patrolling Kosovo will prevent Pristina from sending any troops of its own north simply because Nato has no stomach left for another wave of ethnic violence anywhere in the world.

This effectively means de facto partition.

To GSP:

I am more Serbian than I care to mention and fully aware of our great history. But let's face facts, the DSS was slowly moving into the Radicals' turf, they criticised Nato, snubbed the EU, and it even looked promising they were gaging themselves eastward. The Brazilian, Chinese, Indian and Russian markets are booming, so who needs the EU,
Kosovo is too high of a price to pay for EU membership.
They (DSS) are now aligning themselves more with the policies of the DS, who would give up Kosovo within a blink of an eye. Every time we mention some means of
retalliation we are silenced.
Meanwhile the Albanians can threaten, provoke and insult the Serbian nation and that is acceptable. Until we stand up, and I mean really stand up, like joining a confederation with the Russians, I'm sorry to tell you, and hoping I'm wrong, but Kosovo is GONE!!!

to KS -
It wasn't and isn't yours either.

Us Albanians don't say Kosova is Albanians bc that would upset people. We say Kosova belongs to the Kosovars (people who live and are from KOSOVA).

So let's agree that Kosova doesn't belong to Serbia or Albania bc if you say Kosova is Serbian I can bring up valid points how you are the invader and Kosova should be reunited with Albania since it is HER territory.
(KS, 12. October 2007 16:59)

Perhaps it would be a good thing to give this to you, the invader - then the world can see where the real problem lies.

To KS- Please enlighten me If its not ours ,who's is it? I'm curious, does it belong to Turkey? You can't make statements like that and not give an explaination to your thinking. And it doesn't belong to the kosovars. It belongs to Serbia. It always belonged to Serbia and always will belong to Serbia. Like it or not it won't become independant!

The sooner serbia recognises that Kosova should have it's intependence just like Mountenegro the better it's going get for serbians, albanians and everyone. The serbians in Kosovo are going to have more freedom, and i believe they will have as much rights as ethnic albanians and others. However i know it is going to be really hard for serbians to swallow it as they have been missguided and manipulated for decades by their leaders and their extremist priests who tend to all be nationalistic. Just because serbians built churches 500 years ago and fought the battles against the ottoman empire there it dosn't make it a serbian spiritual land and a heart of serbia. Kosova was an ancient Illyrian (albanian)land called Dardania (in albanian the land of Darrdh which means Pear). There is plenty of information on the net even some libraries to prove my statement above. I believe there will be peace once the serbians realise that Kosovo belongs to the people that live in it not Serbia or Albania. Therefore everyone should support Kosovo's independence in order to stabilise the area. All these nations shoud respect one and other, albanian, serbian, croation, bosnian, we all look the same wether we like it or not. It's all an illusion. We should respect eachother and get along rather then fight, and stop degrading eachother. We are all the same.
*Give Kosovo Independence*

Peace from New Zealand