These Serbs committed a jewel heist . . . pales into comparison with albanian crimes eg drugs running, prostitution, people smuggling, extortion . . . need i go on?
"Well for all their boasting at least they know they are not European. (As if that had not become clear already in the 1990s.) So since you are gonna lose Kosova you gonna get your chance to move closer to Russia and kiss Europe good bye forever. It would be crazy on your party but if you are hellbent on doing it we Albanians are certainly gonna do everything in our power to pave the way for you to drift away from Europe. The EU is probably gonna be a nicer place without Serbia in it, as far as we are concerned.
(teni, 3. October 2007 12:41) "
You talk as if you are a part of the EU already.
Fact of the matter is, Albania will not see EU membership in a long time (I would say 15-20 years), as the EU already has enough new states to invest in and does not want to pump millions of Euros into a completely backward economy like Albania has. Romania and Bulgaria are the last states they will let in for a while, aside from Croatia and Serbia (if they let go of Kosovo) which may be in the next 2-5 years.
And by the way, if Kosovo breaks away from Serbia, you will be together with Moldova, Belarus and the Ukraine at the back of the queue for EU membership.
BTW I don't think the idea of Albania and Albanians in the EU is something citizens of the EU dream about, personally I think they would prefer Serbia and Serbians. Negative connotations I know, but there is a lot of prejudice everywhere in Europe. Most people think crime (mafia, narcotics and human trafficking, islamic terrorism etc.) and poverty when they think of Albania, sorry to say.
Rovena,
it seems you have never attended this forum before:
I am persuaded that the only possible outcome for the Kosovo's status solution is independence, as I have always being affirming in my posts.
As a matter of fact I could be judged pro Albanian.
That said I am strongly persuaded that Kosovo status solution could harm the political Serbian scenario giving the anti EU and/or NATO political stances more support amongst the Serbian population.
In that way I fear that also the Serbian economical situation could suffer in the next years; that is why I expect more Serbian people coming in Italy and I confirm what I wrote in my post above.
B92 you should have posted my commented. All I said was that Italy joined all Albanian lands a couple decades ago. I don't see the reason for the ban, it's not logical, than again a lot of actions taken against me personally aren't.
Teni,
I'm sorry to disappoint you but I have nothing against Serbia joining the EU, and I'm albanian. I believe that one day we can be good neighbours, independently from what one may think if follows this forum. There is a world out there that wants to wake up in the morning and live peacefully and serenely, it doesn't matter if they are albanians, serbs, bosnians, macedonians or other.
I support the independence of Kosova/o becaue it is the will of the people that lives there, not for any hypotetical political strategy.
As for you Jovan and Ratko, I would suggest to read less misinformed quasi-newspapers and know some more people.
Massimo, what can I say, your filoserbismo this time didn't go in the right way...
Well, dear Serbian neighbours. It is clear to every human being that you can't look forward, but are stuck in this circle of selfdestruction that everyone sees but you. First, the same words were said for Slovenia, and off they go. Then Macedonia, Croatia, Bosnia, Montenegro and now Kosova. The story and the result is the same, and you still don't get it. Kosova will be independent as a whole, just like the rest of them.
And there is no one to blame but the policy of the Serbian State and its politicians that manipulate their own people on wars and life-wasting. It's time that they too think about people and not territories or borders. It's time to think civilized.
People!!! Is this real or what?
Do you people actually think that serb leaders actually beleive that they can keep Kosova. Let's suggest that by miracle it was given to them again. How do you manage 2 milion people in Kosova, 1 milion in the region outside Kosova and Albania who have strong ties to Kosova, and of course 4 milions albanians in Albania who also view Kosova as the cradle of their history.
The truth is that serb leaders and any person with an IQ of 80 and above knows that it is not possible because serbia would have to use all their income to pay their forces to handle Kosova. All the income I mean the income that they do not have. Put it this way, and economy like America and Japan would have a very hard time to manage the cost. Serbia can maybe manage for 6 month to a year before it would choke in submission from cost.
So People!!! My dear good hearted people!!!
-Serb leaders loose nothing by the fact that serbia would grow poor and eventually would give up Kosova even without Kosovar effort (based on practicality). They will have money, cars, jobs. And considering their hopes that Kosova status take a long time to solve they beleive that they might get old and pass away before they have to account for anything. People!!! How can you not see this?
Do you have any other purpose with that comment besides insulting people?
(Carl, Sweden, 3. October 2007 15:22)"
Carl, don´t worry, we are used to this behaviour! teni is just one of those albanian who cannot express their frustration other than trying to insult otherst here.
calling others "racist" or "go back to Sebiria(!) where you come from" and other immature attempts to insult are just the only way of expressing themselves!
they have a lot to learn and especially a lot of time to calm down, once they realize that there will be no greater Albania...
Teni's logic work the other way around too.
I though about it and realised who will become European in the not so distant future. Teni will, and there will be Thomson from Croatia singing songs.
Hell, guys, Russia NOW!
"Well for all their boasting at least they know they are not European. (As if that had not become clear already in the 1990s.) So since you are gonna lose Kosova you gonna get your chance to move closer to Russia and kiss Europe good bye forever. It would be crazy on your party but if you are hellbent on doing it we Albanians are certainly gonna do everything in our power to pave the way for you to drift away from Europe. The EU is probably gonna be a nicer place without Serbia in it, as far as we are concerned."
Teni,
Do you have any other purpose with that comment besides insulting people?
Ratko since you don't want to be in the EU anyway, and since you have chosen in favor of Mother Russia and Daddy Putin, I guess this discussion is useless. And I said it is gonna be nicer for the Albanians, Albanians being the operative word. By that I do not mean that I think of Serbs as some sort of monsters that are gonna ruin the EU or any such thing if that is what you thought. I actually think Serbia has a lot to offer to the EU.
The reason why I say that is another: we as Albanians rather prefer to be on different sides of the border from you guys. Call it a sort of complex if you want. And as long as your mind set remains the same as it was in the 1990s I guess we won't change our opinion.
As for the crimes etc, I do not deny that Albanians are involved. Of course, but I just want to remind you of that saying with a pot and a kettle calling each other names.
Why would Europe be a better place without Serbia? It's albanians who are the ringleaders of crime, drugs, smuggling etc. And please there is no need to deny it.
By the way it's albanians who have been doing the kissing the most with america.
Why wouldn't the Serbs put KosovO before the EU? This is preposterous! The EU is using KosovO as a bargaining chip - in addition to other requirements.
I would love to see the day when the US is requesting assistance from the UN due to Mexico invading Texas!
The EU, although "beneficial" in some eyes - it's nothing more that a woman holding a designer handbag with pride. Pretty soon the EU will have the same affect on people as the US does. Not too good. It's really a shame.
Once again - pawns on a chessboard with politicians playing for the winning move.
Massimo, I am afraid ..due to market saturation in Italy the probability will be higher that Italians come to Serbia, I mean qualified people.
so, Italians will be welcome too, of course. I remember that I have read it was the Italians who fought the albanian mob back when they tried to attack an christian monastery in Kosovo. The Italians now are knowing very well what is going on there...
those Italians who come are invited to bring some music and wine too! ;)
Well for all their boasting at least they know they are not European. (As if that had not become clear already in the 1990s.) So since you are gonna lose Kosova you gonna get your chance to move closer to Russia and kiss Europe good bye forever. It would be crazy on your party but if you are hellbent on doing it we Albanians are certainly gonna do everything in our power to pave the way for you to drift away from Europe. The EU is probably gonna be a nicer place without Serbia in it, as far as we are concerned.
I expect more Serbian people coming in Italy looking for a job.
After all, being the Serbian people often well educated and willing to commit themselves, they are welcome.
I expect more Serbian people coming in Italy looking for a job.
After all, being the Serbian people often well educated and willing to commit themselves, they are welcome.
Well for all their boasting at least they know they are not European. (As if that had not become clear already in the 1990s.) So since you are gonna lose Kosova you gonna get your chance to move closer to Russia and kiss Europe good bye forever. It would be crazy on your party but if you are hellbent on doing it we Albanians are certainly gonna do everything in our power to pave the way for you to drift away from Europe. The EU is probably gonna be a nicer place without Serbia in it, as far as we are concerned.
Why would Europe be a better place without Serbia? It's albanians who are the ringleaders of crime, drugs, smuggling etc. And please there is no need to deny it.
By the way it's albanians who have been doing the kissing the most with america.
"Well for all their boasting at least they know they are not European. (As if that had not become clear already in the 1990s.) So since you are gonna lose Kosova you gonna get your chance to move closer to Russia and kiss Europe good bye forever. It would be crazy on your party but if you are hellbent on doing it we Albanians are certainly gonna do everything in our power to pave the way for you to drift away from Europe. The EU is probably gonna be a nicer place without Serbia in it, as far as we are concerned."
Teni,
Do you have any other purpose with that comment besides insulting people?
Do you have any other purpose with that comment besides insulting people?
(Carl, Sweden, 3. October 2007 15:22)"
Carl, don´t worry, we are used to this behaviour! teni is just one of those albanian who cannot express their frustration other than trying to insult otherst here.
calling others "racist" or "go back to Sebiria(!) where you come from" and other immature attempts to insult are just the only way of expressing themselves!
they have a lot to learn and especially a lot of time to calm down, once they realize that there will be no greater Albania...
Massimo, I am afraid ..due to market saturation in Italy the probability will be higher that Italians come to Serbia, I mean qualified people.
so, Italians will be welcome too, of course. I remember that I have read it was the Italians who fought the albanian mob back when they tried to attack an christian monastery in Kosovo. The Italians now are knowing very well what is going on there...
those Italians who come are invited to bring some music and wine too! ;)
Ratko since you don't want to be in the EU anyway, and since you have chosen in favor of Mother Russia and Daddy Putin, I guess this discussion is useless. And I said it is gonna be nicer for the Albanians, Albanians being the operative word. By that I do not mean that I think of Serbs as some sort of monsters that are gonna ruin the EU or any such thing if that is what you thought. I actually think Serbia has a lot to offer to the EU.
The reason why I say that is another: we as Albanians rather prefer to be on different sides of the border from you guys. Call it a sort of complex if you want. And as long as your mind set remains the same as it was in the 1990s I guess we won't change our opinion.
As for the crimes etc, I do not deny that Albanians are involved. Of course, but I just want to remind you of that saying with a pot and a kettle calling each other names.
Why wouldn't the Serbs put KosovO before the EU? This is preposterous! The EU is using KosovO as a bargaining chip - in addition to other requirements.
I would love to see the day when the US is requesting assistance from the UN due to Mexico invading Texas!
The EU, although "beneficial" in some eyes - it's nothing more that a woman holding a designer handbag with pride. Pretty soon the EU will have the same affect on people as the US does. Not too good. It's really a shame.
Once again - pawns on a chessboard with politicians playing for the winning move.
Teni's logic work the other way around too.
I though about it and realised who will become European in the not so distant future. Teni will, and there will be Thomson from Croatia singing songs.
Hell, guys, Russia NOW!
People!!! Is this real or what?
Do you people actually think that serb leaders actually beleive that they can keep Kosova. Let's suggest that by miracle it was given to them again. How do you manage 2 milion people in Kosova, 1 milion in the region outside Kosova and Albania who have strong ties to Kosova, and of course 4 milions albanians in Albania who also view Kosova as the cradle of their history.
The truth is that serb leaders and any person with an IQ of 80 and above knows that it is not possible because serbia would have to use all their income to pay their forces to handle Kosova. All the income I mean the income that they do not have. Put it this way, and economy like America and Japan would have a very hard time to manage the cost. Serbia can maybe manage for 6 month to a year before it would choke in submission from cost.
So People!!! My dear good hearted people!!!
-Serb leaders loose nothing by the fact that serbia would grow poor and eventually would give up Kosova even without Kosovar effort (based on practicality). They will have money, cars, jobs. And considering their hopes that Kosova status take a long time to solve they beleive that they might get old and pass away before they have to account for anything. People!!! How can you not see this?
"Well for all their boasting at least they know they are not European. (As if that had not become clear already in the 1990s.) So since you are gonna lose Kosova you gonna get your chance to move closer to Russia and kiss Europe good bye forever. It would be crazy on your party but if you are hellbent on doing it we Albanians are certainly gonna do everything in our power to pave the way for you to drift away from Europe. The EU is probably gonna be a nicer place without Serbia in it, as far as we are concerned.
(teni, 3. October 2007 12:41) "
You talk as if you are a part of the EU already.
Fact of the matter is, Albania will not see EU membership in a long time (I would say 15-20 years), as the EU already has enough new states to invest in and does not want to pump millions of Euros into a completely backward economy like Albania has. Romania and Bulgaria are the last states they will let in for a while, aside from Croatia and Serbia (if they let go of Kosovo) which may be in the next 2-5 years.
And by the way, if Kosovo breaks away from Serbia, you will be together with Moldova, Belarus and the Ukraine at the back of the queue for EU membership.
BTW I don't think the idea of Albania and Albanians in the EU is something citizens of the EU dream about, personally I think they would prefer Serbia and Serbians. Negative connotations I know, but there is a lot of prejudice everywhere in Europe. Most people think crime (mafia, narcotics and human trafficking, islamic terrorism etc.) and poverty when they think of Albania, sorry to say.
Well, dear Serbian neighbours. It is clear to every human being that you can't look forward, but are stuck in this circle of selfdestruction that everyone sees but you. First, the same words were said for Slovenia, and off they go. Then Macedonia, Croatia, Bosnia, Montenegro and now Kosova. The story and the result is the same, and you still don't get it. Kosova will be independent as a whole, just like the rest of them.
And there is no one to blame but the policy of the Serbian State and its politicians that manipulate their own people on wars and life-wasting. It's time that they too think about people and not territories or borders. It's time to think civilized.
B92 you should have posted my commented. All I said was that Italy joined all Albanian lands a couple decades ago. I don't see the reason for the ban, it's not logical, than again a lot of actions taken against me personally aren't.
Teni,
I'm sorry to disappoint you but I have nothing against Serbia joining the EU, and I'm albanian. I believe that one day we can be good neighbours, independently from what one may think if follows this forum. There is a world out there that wants to wake up in the morning and live peacefully and serenely, it doesn't matter if they are albanians, serbs, bosnians, macedonians or other.
I support the independence of Kosova/o becaue it is the will of the people that lives there, not for any hypotetical political strategy.
As for you Jovan and Ratko, I would suggest to read less misinformed quasi-newspapers and know some more people.
Massimo, what can I say, your filoserbismo this time didn't go in the right way...
Rovena,
it seems you have never attended this forum before:
I am persuaded that the only possible outcome for the Kosovo's status solution is independence, as I have always being affirming in my posts.
As a matter of fact I could be judged pro Albanian.
That said I am strongly persuaded that Kosovo status solution could harm the political Serbian scenario giving the anti EU and/or NATO political stances more support amongst the Serbian population.
In that way I fear that also the Serbian economical situation could suffer in the next years; that is why I expect more Serbian people coming in Italy and I confirm what I wrote in my post above.
These Serbs committed a jewel heist . . . pales into comparison with albanian crimes eg drugs running, prostitution, people smuggling, extortion . . . need i go on?
Well for all their boasting at least they know they are not European. (As if that had not become clear already in the 1990s.) So since you are gonna lose Kosova you gonna get your chance to move closer to Russia and kiss Europe good bye forever. It would be crazy on your party but if you are hellbent on doing it we Albanians are certainly gonna do everything in our power to pave the way for you to drift away from Europe. The EU is probably gonna be a nicer place without Serbia in it, as far as we are concerned.
Why would Europe be a better place without Serbia? It's albanians who are the ringleaders of crime, drugs, smuggling etc. And please there is no need to deny it.
By the way it's albanians who have been doing the kissing the most with america.
Ratko since you don't want to be in the EU anyway, and since you have chosen in favor of Mother Russia and Daddy Putin, I guess this discussion is useless. And I said it is gonna be nicer for the Albanians, Albanians being the operative word. By that I do not mean that I think of Serbs as some sort of monsters that are gonna ruin the EU or any such thing if that is what you thought. I actually think Serbia has a lot to offer to the EU.
The reason why I say that is another: we as Albanians rather prefer to be on different sides of the border from you guys. Call it a sort of complex if you want. And as long as your mind set remains the same as it was in the 1990s I guess we won't change our opinion.
As for the crimes etc, I do not deny that Albanians are involved. Of course, but I just want to remind you of that saying with a pot and a kettle calling each other names.
People!!! Is this real or what?
Do you people actually think that serb leaders actually beleive that they can keep Kosova. Let's suggest that by miracle it was given to them again. How do you manage 2 milion people in Kosova, 1 milion in the region outside Kosova and Albania who have strong ties to Kosova, and of course 4 milions albanians in Albania who also view Kosova as the cradle of their history.
The truth is that serb leaders and any person with an IQ of 80 and above knows that it is not possible because serbia would have to use all their income to pay their forces to handle Kosova. All the income I mean the income that they do not have. Put it this way, and economy like America and Japan would have a very hard time to manage the cost. Serbia can maybe manage for 6 month to a year before it would choke in submission from cost.
So People!!! My dear good hearted people!!!
-Serb leaders loose nothing by the fact that serbia would grow poor and eventually would give up Kosova even without Kosovar effort (based on practicality). They will have money, cars, jobs. And considering their hopes that Kosova status take a long time to solve they beleive that they might get old and pass away before they have to account for anything. People!!! How can you not see this?
I expect more Serbian people coming in Italy looking for a job.
After all, being the Serbian people often well educated and willing to commit themselves, they are welcome.
Massimo, I am afraid ..due to market saturation in Italy the probability will be higher that Italians come to Serbia, I mean qualified people.
so, Italians will be welcome too, of course. I remember that I have read it was the Italians who fought the albanian mob back when they tried to attack an christian monastery in Kosovo. The Italians now are knowing very well what is going on there...
those Italians who come are invited to bring some music and wine too! ;)
Why wouldn't the Serbs put KosovO before the EU? This is preposterous! The EU is using KosovO as a bargaining chip - in addition to other requirements.
I would love to see the day when the US is requesting assistance from the UN due to Mexico invading Texas!
The EU, although "beneficial" in some eyes - it's nothing more that a woman holding a designer handbag with pride. Pretty soon the EU will have the same affect on people as the US does. Not too good. It's really a shame.
Once again - pawns on a chessboard with politicians playing for the winning move.
"Well for all their boasting at least they know they are not European. (As if that had not become clear already in the 1990s.) So since you are gonna lose Kosova you gonna get your chance to move closer to Russia and kiss Europe good bye forever. It would be crazy on your party but if you are hellbent on doing it we Albanians are certainly gonna do everything in our power to pave the way for you to drift away from Europe. The EU is probably gonna be a nicer place without Serbia in it, as far as we are concerned."
Teni,
Do you have any other purpose with that comment besides insulting people?
"Well for all their boasting at least they know they are not European. (As if that had not become clear already in the 1990s.) So since you are gonna lose Kosova you gonna get your chance to move closer to Russia and kiss Europe good bye forever. It would be crazy on your party but if you are hellbent on doing it we Albanians are certainly gonna do everything in our power to pave the way for you to drift away from Europe. The EU is probably gonna be a nicer place without Serbia in it, as far as we are concerned.
(teni, 3. October 2007 12:41) "
You talk as if you are a part of the EU already.
Fact of the matter is, Albania will not see EU membership in a long time (I would say 15-20 years), as the EU already has enough new states to invest in and does not want to pump millions of Euros into a completely backward economy like Albania has. Romania and Bulgaria are the last states they will let in for a while, aside from Croatia and Serbia (if they let go of Kosovo) which may be in the next 2-5 years.
And by the way, if Kosovo breaks away from Serbia, you will be together with Moldova, Belarus and the Ukraine at the back of the queue for EU membership.
BTW I don't think the idea of Albania and Albanians in the EU is something citizens of the EU dream about, personally I think they would prefer Serbia and Serbians. Negative connotations I know, but there is a lot of prejudice everywhere in Europe. Most people think crime (mafia, narcotics and human trafficking, islamic terrorism etc.) and poverty when they think of Albania, sorry to say.
Teni's logic work the other way around too.
I though about it and realised who will become European in the not so distant future. Teni will, and there will be Thomson from Croatia singing songs.
Hell, guys, Russia NOW!
Do you have any other purpose with that comment besides insulting people?
(Carl, Sweden, 3. October 2007 15:22)"
Carl, don´t worry, we are used to this behaviour! teni is just one of those albanian who cannot express their frustration other than trying to insult otherst here.
calling others "racist" or "go back to Sebiria(!) where you come from" and other immature attempts to insult are just the only way of expressing themselves!
they have a lot to learn and especially a lot of time to calm down, once they realize that there will be no greater Albania...
Well, dear Serbian neighbours. It is clear to every human being that you can't look forward, but are stuck in this circle of selfdestruction that everyone sees but you. First, the same words were said for Slovenia, and off they go. Then Macedonia, Croatia, Bosnia, Montenegro and now Kosova. The story and the result is the same, and you still don't get it. Kosova will be independent as a whole, just like the rest of them.
And there is no one to blame but the policy of the Serbian State and its politicians that manipulate their own people on wars and life-wasting. It's time that they too think about people and not territories or borders. It's time to think civilized.
Teni,
I'm sorry to disappoint you but I have nothing against Serbia joining the EU, and I'm albanian. I believe that one day we can be good neighbours, independently from what one may think if follows this forum. There is a world out there that wants to wake up in the morning and live peacefully and serenely, it doesn't matter if they are albanians, serbs, bosnians, macedonians or other.
I support the independence of Kosova/o becaue it is the will of the people that lives there, not for any hypotetical political strategy.
As for you Jovan and Ratko, I would suggest to read less misinformed quasi-newspapers and know some more people.
Massimo, what can I say, your filoserbismo this time didn't go in the right way...
B92 you should have posted my commented. All I said was that Italy joined all Albanian lands a couple decades ago. I don't see the reason for the ban, it's not logical, than again a lot of actions taken against me personally aren't.
Rovena,
it seems you have never attended this forum before:
I am persuaded that the only possible outcome for the Kosovo's status solution is independence, as I have always being affirming in my posts.
As a matter of fact I could be judged pro Albanian.
That said I am strongly persuaded that Kosovo status solution could harm the political Serbian scenario giving the anti EU and/or NATO political stances more support amongst the Serbian population.
In that way I fear that also the Serbian economical situation could suffer in the next years; that is why I expect more Serbian people coming in Italy and I confirm what I wrote in my post above.
These Serbs committed a jewel heist . . . pales into comparison with albanian crimes eg drugs running, prostitution, people smuggling, extortion . . . need i go on?
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