Calling Albanians losers it makes you a soar loser who simply can't handle the fact that Kosova may become Independent soon. I don't think B92 should sanctions reasonable arguments, but Jovan's racial comments and name calling go beyond anything I have seen here posted by B92.
Hopefully the editors of B92 will refuse to post such offending comments especially if their aim is to stabilize relations between Serbs and Albanians.
(Destan Belaxhia, 30. September 2007 07:23) "
Destan, you should really sit back and read your own comment, before posting it...
if you´d been honest, you would not have presented it like I am calling ALL Albanians losers, no, I do not! I call those Albanians losers, whose only joy it is to dream of a greater Albania... of illyrian illusions and falsified history! THOSE I call losers...
you should not mix it up! ( althoug we all know why you are trying to do so here )
and please, I seriously ask you to STOP that nonsense calling me a racist, it won´t get any more credible if you repeat that rubbish a thousand times! you only harm yourself with remarks like that!
so, stop that propaganda-nonsense, it´s not about race, or religion, it´s only about international law.
that´s something you deliberately avoid to say. the reason for that is quite obvious. YOU HAVE SIMPLY NO VIABLE ARGUMENTS.
and to Glauk:
the guarantee is that it will be a supervised autonomy, what means, if you do not trust the Serbs, what I can understand to a certain extent after the last 20 years, you certainly can trust the international community that will guarantee the sovereignty of Serbia and also your security ( although it wont be in danger - remember Slobo is gone )
so, Albanians, please, stop those accusations and falsifications, they are futile and counterproductive!
ONCE AGAIN STOP CALLING ME A RACIST, I AM NO RACIST and do not like to be insulted.
if you do not know what a racist is, go and educate yourself!
It is going to be a curse for the Serbs for the upcoming decade, I see nothing but depression.
For some camp who claims that they don't need the WEST and going EAST is better they are sure sucking up to America trying to convince them otherwise.
Serbs ask, "why join EU when they hate us and support Kosova" or "why join NATO when they bombed us"....how about this, WHY PLEAD to AMERICA WHEN THEY BOMBED YOU.
According to your flawed logic AMERICA hates Serbia.
"The EU is continuing with talks in order to accommodate Russia, evidently Russia still means something to them. Kosovar's are indeed very naive if they think that the US and "EU" are enough for them to run as a country. It is FAR broader than that. They need to stop thinking that they are the world's belly button (as if anyone cares about their freedom) and look at the broader picture.
(Peter Sudyka, 30. September 2007 12:11) "
Kosovo/a might be the worlds belly button, but, here we have, which is very important THE PRINCIPLE of FREEDOM and DEMOCRACY and the RIGHT of PEPOPLE for SELF-DETERMINATION.
And, my dear friend, Peter,
there are those countries who value freedom and democracy, and its not Russia or Serbia.
On the other side you have USA, Canada and 95% of EU.
Kosovo/a will not do trade with Russia. It does NOT need Russia or any Serbian friendly countries that will impede the process of INDEPENDENCE which gives people of Kosovo/a freedom ,to live and prosper in piece.
That is why, they are even willing to allow supervision by EU, just to assure the world that there is no hidden agenda as far as minorities and as you Serbian posters claim, terrorism, mafia, drugs and what not.
In contrary, Kosovo/a will be a small but a very succesful country.
With mines and arable land, it will not need much of trade with countries that dont like Kosovo/a to become a nation and have its own borders, and of course interference from its neighbours.
Cheers!!!
Jovan, I take note and at the same time reject your invitation to go towards Europe under Serbia's armpit.
Your tone is sth like the owner's invitation that: you can live only as my slave and I'll throuw you some rubbish and you don't deserve more than that.
Please Jovan don't forget that this Europe is inviting Serbia and Kosovo to join as separate, and not united, entities.
Serbia is invited at the, not loud, condition of being realistic and forget the past.
Please Jovan forget the 19th century mentality.
I found this article this morning from a Google Alert i am not for or against but is this something the people of Kosovo should consider not talking about those who do not live in Kosovo/a how ever you want to pronounce it. Here is the link
[link]
(Kalsu, 30. September 2007 06:54)
Kalsu, I found another article, not from some indian pseudonymus, but by a well known british columnist of THE GUARDIAN. I published here it, but the unbiased editors of the serb website B92, decided it was too much hurting for their serb fellows. Perhaps because it was sayng some plain truths. If you are curious enough you can find it to The guardian site, looking for the latest articles of Jonathan Steele. Or if the unbiased editors of B92 will not cut it again this interesting fact, just surf to the following link:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,,2178986,00.html
I call all other Albanians to be happy since within Serbia peace and prosperity will mean also the faster integration into the EU!
and what is perhaps even more important for them, the end of those criminal clans which are illegaly ruling KiM now under the noses of UNMIK...
times will change, boys!
(Jovan, 29. September 2007 23:38)
Dear Jovan, we don't want your "peace" and "prosperity". Who garanties us that after 10 years, some other Milosevic will not take power and try to exterminate us? We don't want to have nothing in common with Serbia. If you want to join EU or became a russian oblas, it's your problem. We are different. We are not "serbs" nor even "slavs" by background so we'll never accept to be called serbs and live under a state called Serbia. You have a population of 10 millions, but 2,5 millions are albanians, 1 million is hungarian, another million is bosnian not talking about montenegrins, vlachs and romas. So, in a country where you have only 50% of the people, you want us to accept the fact that you call it after your nationality, and furthermore, to call ourselves "serbs". This is ridiculous, knowing what your army, your leaders and your priests did to us.
PS. A bad news for you dear serbs: Fatmir Limaj which you depict as criminal, is INNOCENT and free. The Hague tribunal decided all the accuses from the serb side are just rubish.
Kosovo is the land of 230000 Serb refugees who had to leave Kosovo because of Albanian repressions. It is their land too.
40000 had to leave Pristina alone.
I consider of the utmost importance the future relationship between Serbs and Albanians. We are here together and, even being side by side or together has not necessarily been a happy situation especially the efforts to bring us both closer, can be happy where we are.
Once this told I consider the article of Mr Singh as uncorrect: Albanians have shown their religious tolerance during the centuries following a simple truth: the Albanians religion is the Albanism, since we were fighting for our existence and not for our right of belief which comes immediately after you realize the basic need of having your ground. Albania and Albanians, after having had more than all necessary imposed harmful relationships, are fully commited to the democracy and democratic countries of the world who reply with the same behaviour.
I strongly think that tha future of the Balkans is one of piece and prosperity.
"I have written before on this blog, that the reason Russia is opposing Kosovo/a Independence is not because they love Serbia so much, but, there are about 20 new countries to emerge out of Russia in the very near future.
So Putin and his DUMA really have hot ashes under their feet. They are feeling the heat, and will NOT be able to sustain the country of Russia as is right now.
How is that for a wake up cup of coffe in the morning?
To all Serbian posters, just think about that for a moment.
As far as other frozen conflict areas such as So. Ossetia, Moldova, Abkhazia,Nagorno-Kaharabak Kurdistan, Kashmir, Tibet, Burma,East Timor, Taiwan...
nothing to connect to Kosovo/a.
Kosovo/a is a unique case, and is being treated as one.
That is why people like you guys are confused and dont know how to react to it, and writte in a very ridiculous way, like Princip=Kate, Mr. Cvele, lowe, Jovan, Bob etc. etc.
Cheers
(lazer, 30. September 2007 01:01)"
It is precisely for this reason and will probably be in the sole factor that Kosovo is not and probably will not gain independence. Russia is not some useless entity in the world, it is a massive trading partner of the EU and they both need each other.
If indeed it was so easily just to recognize Kosovo's independence without taking Russia and China into regard, wouldn't it have been done back in 1999?
The EU is continuing with talks in order to accommodate Russia, evidently Russia still means something to them. Kosovar's are indeed very naive if they think that the US and "EU" are enough for them to run as a country. It is FAR broader than that. They need to stop thinking that they are the world's belly button (as if anyone cares about their freedom) and look at the broader picture.
I hope that you are living in a real world. Kosova is independent from Serbia. The issue here is Sovereignity. Would the more than two million Kosovar Albanian accept to be Serbian citizens. I hope you will the point.
The negitiations are a very good thing no matter the result.
I think the big question is the following:
Would the Kosovar Albanians accept to be Serbian citizens or not.
It is clear that the Serbian side is negotiating for the future of Kosovo Land; the Albanian side is negotiating for the future of the Kosovo People who live on this land.
I think it's very, very clear why the world's democratic forces are vocally for the indipendence.
Kalsu,
I read your link is mind buggling to see the author's name Singh. Half of India is called Singh. Which Sing is he?
Who cares what Indian Sings think.
Calling Albanians losers it makes you a soar loser who simply can't handle the fact that Kosova may become Independent soon. I don't think B92 should sanctions reasonable arguments, but Jovan's racial comments and name calling go beyond anything I have seen here posted by B92.
Hopefully the editors of B92 will refuse to post such offending comments especially if their aim is to stabilize relations between Serbs and Albanians.
I found this article this morning from a Google Alert i am not for or against but is this something the people of Kosovo should consider not talking about those who do not live in Kosovo/a how ever you want to pronounce it. Here is the link
http://www.neurope.eu/articles/78326.php
Kosova is already independent. Now they're only waiting for the Serbs to finally realize it, as the rest of the world has realized since "Bondsteel" foundations were dug in.
"The independence of Kosova is unavoidable and very real."
Your posts are similar to Ahmed's and a couple others who have always issued failed prophesies of Kosovo's "inevitable" independance. Their predictions have become laughable because they have been saying that for the last 2 years and each time they have failed.
Try not to make the same mistakes as it is a pitiable situation to promise something you cannot deliver!
I have written before on this blog, that the reason Russia is opposing Kosovo/a Independence is not because they love Serbia so much, but, there are about 20 new countries to emerge out of Russia in the very near future.
So Putin and his DUMA really have hot ashes under their feet. They are feeling the heat, and will NOT be able to sustain the country of Russia as is right now.
How is that for a wake up cup of coffe in the morning?
To all Serbian posters, just think about that for a moment.
As far as other frozen conflict areas such as So. Ossetia, Moldova, Abkhazia,Nagorno-Kaharabak Kurdistan, Kashmir, Tibet, Burma,East Timor, Taiwan...
nothing to connect to Kosovo/a.
Kosovo/a is a unique case, and is being treated as one.
That is why people like you guys are confused and dont know how to react to it, and writte in a very ridiculous way, like Princip=Kate, Mr. Cvele, lowe, Jovan, Bob etc. etc.
Cheers
I have recently thought about this a lot.
Most comments here are recognizing the obvious, that most likely nothing will happen through the UN.
The real question is: What will happen outside the UN? We've heard several statements made by US politicians on various levels, including the highest (President Bush) that it will.
Yet, I am not convinced at all.
With all due respect for all the countries, there are only several of them that could, depending of their support or opposition to something, add or take away a lot of weight to the matter.
I would not include Slovakia nor Greece among those heavyweights.
But, the US needs support of the EU to carry the plan through, as it's obvious that any implementation will fall almost exclusivelly on Europeans.
Britain is siding with US, as always, but not so eagerly this time. I guess we have to keep in mind that there is a new administration there, that doesn't want to cozy up to the outgoing American one, especially given its unpopularity in the States, and very real possibility of Democratic government after the new elections.
Another one is somewhat surprising to many - France. French have been noted as being almost principally allied with Germany since the WW2, and opposed to just about anything comming from Anglo-block (US and Britain). And yes, that includes latest (2003) row before the war in Iraq, as Joe mentioned here.
Sarkozy seems to be willing to build new alliance here.
In the meantime, Germany is driffting away from France, not significantlly, but to small degree. Germans have been just to bussy building the new relationship with Russia, centred around North Stream gas pipeline and other energy projects.
Those new alliances and power blocks that are being formed right now, are influenting Kosovo talks right now, as well as positions of those countries.
Just recently France joined the group of countries issuing statements that unilateral recognition of Kosovo is "possibility" should negotiating process fail to find a solution.
On the other hand Germans have softened their stance considerably, to end up with the statements (just before the talks started), that "negotiated settlement agreeable to both sides" is the only way forward.
Of course, US and EU are not the only ones represented in Troika. There is Russia too, with position that needs to be considered.
Seemingly, they are the most relaxed at the start of the talks. Simply, they have nothing to lose.
They made it clear that they are planning to block Kosovo's independance in the UN.
It costs them nothing to do so, and should US back off, it would give them a great deal of influence in Serbia, free.
Should idenpendance be declared unilaterally by Kosovo Albanians, any recognition from the West would give them a chance to recognize Russian-backed breakaway republics in Georgia and Moldavia.
For them it's really a win-win situation.
It's almost certain that talks will fail, unless West pushes for consessions from Kosovo's negotieting team.
Should talks fail, unilateral declaration of independance will certainly follow.
The real question here is if anyone will recognize it? To give such opportunity to Russia to do the same?
It seems very unlikely.
It's more believable that everyone would simply walk away, blaming Kosovo Albanians for "unilateral actions".
Good exit strategy for them.
It will be very interesting to see what will happen in next few months. "Frozen conflict" appears to be a very real possibility, despite of so many bussy bees around, seemingly trying to solve this.
Mr Tadic is talking about autonomy for Kosovo as an end to the problem, when he knows, I am sure, that autonomy is barely a step among others. This is the only way to conceive autononomy, otherwise, it would be a half-measure with the pretention of making of the nation a corpse without a soul! Mr Tadic should think of this before making comments. Autonomy has a sense only at the condition that it leads towards independence... And the independence leads to a full liberty.
As we see, autonomy is one among many steps that leads towards independence.
oh Victor..now that the US are more and more realizing that they are becoming more and more marginalized with their view of the "inevitable" and "only viable solution" how they call their mistake...
you would call even broad autonomy a victory for the fanatized independence supporters... but in reality, it will only be a victory for those Albanians who want to live in peace and prosperity...
those who dream of a greater Albania...will stay what they actually always were...
losers.
I call all other Albanians to be happy since within Serbia peace and prosperity will mean also the faster integration into the EU!
and what is perhaps even more important for them, the end of those criminal clans which are illegaly ruling KiM now under the noses of UNMIK...
The independence of Kosova is unavoidable and very real. Serbia now is pushing USA and Europe to declare illegal any unilaterally declaration of Independence from the Kosovar Albanian. The proclamation of independence will happen after the 10th of December. After that date the time is running out for Serbia. The Serbian government can start talking among itself all day and night. I am sure that the Kosovar delegation are thinking about exit strategy after the 10th of December. One thing is certain that when it comes to the the "compromise" and ask the Kosovar Albanians to be Serbian citizens that will never happen.
PLEASE explain to me and all others how France was humiliated in 2003?????
Have history proved US right and France wrong about Weapons of mass destruction in Iraq?
Hs the war in Iraq in ANYway improved US economy or influence in the world? Do I have to remind you how the US dollar have changed against all other world currencies since 2003?
Is it stronger now against the EURO which it was in 2003?
Do you see unilateral independece of Kosovo in the same way as Turkey sees independece of "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus"?
There can be no recognized/
legal/supported independence outside the UN, Good luck if you think that the UN doesn't matter...
"UN has proved to be impotent for resolving many problems of the world, including this one, so the process is taking place outside of UN.
Therefore the Russian VETO will NOT matter any more.
(lazer, 29. September 2007 15:12)"
I bet Pristina would disagree with you if they are serious about statehood. UN membership is the ultimate confirmation of independence. If the UN doesn't matter, Pristina would have unilaterally declared independence a long time ago!
If the USA encourage the independence of Kosovo, they know what happened there in 1999, what was done against the population, and they surely know that it is the best for the Serbs and the Albanians to live apart, in different states, in order to avoid wars and social disorders of all kinds.
I think that the Serbs should analyse the past and the present, and hope for the best for the future, and the best passes by the independence for Kosovo!
You are absolutely right. The UN was and will be an unfunctional, waistful blabla forum. Nothing meaningful or useful can be decided in that waistful site. All the important decisions have to be taken outside of it for a long time. There is always a "primadona" country, who treatens to use his veto. This was the case with France in 2003 and Russia in 2007. The simple way is to get around that country like you get around a car on the route trying to block the trafic.
France did not get her way in 2003 and was humiliated by her impuissance. The same thing will happen to Russia this time. The Serbs would say that Russia is stronger. Stronger perhaps but not strong enough.
If Kandi would only stop showing how good they are being to muslims by pushing Kosovo agenda.They did that with both Iran and Irak,and we know the results.Your trups are training with Serbiand.Why,? So you can protect Albanians with Serbian help.Give me a break.
Kate=Princip et al.:
Wisner has said he will support any compromise reached by the two parties, but, if no compromise is reached, they already have an idea what to do, and NOTHING you can do about it!
Time to move on, and Putin with his idea of a frozen conflict is such a passe.
Guys get real, and, lets move on and have good neighbourly relations. The economical relationship will erase all the differences,
Kosovo land is not moving away from Serbia, so dont panic, there is only a change of peoples in charge.
More you oppose it with the constant posting of ridiculous writtings more you look that you are out of touch with reality of the world.
UN has proved to be impotent for resolving many problems of the world, including this one, so the process is taking place outside of UN.
Therefore the Russian VETO will NOT matter any more.
Serbia now is trying to cut the USA administration in the middle when it comes to Kosova independence. Did Tadic hear what the USA President say in Tirana? Enough is enough and it is time to move on. Realistically here is not the issue of independence of Kosova because Kosova has been independent since 1999. Here is at stake the Sovereignity of Kosova. In other words would the Kosovar Albanians accept to be Serbian citizens or not. I presonally doubt. So what is to compromise about? When it comes to Citizenship (Sovereignity) I doubt than more the two million Kosovar Albanians would accept to be Serbian citizens. It is not realistic especially after what "their" Serbian State did to these people.
"“We will know for sure that Wisner’s words are genuine once Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice stops issuing further statements mentioning the independence of Kosovo,” Koštunica underscored."
Eaxctly right - that is what is needed.
Ceku is clearly stating that unless full independence is granted they will declare independence unilaterally. He is not taking the Troika remotely seriously.
The US needs to take responsibility and rein in Ceku, who is taking this approach largely because of their one-sided comments.
A lot of boiling has been going on yesterday in UN General Assembly where primeministers and ministers of Albania and Serbia had word clashes against each other.
One thing that must be mentioned is that the speech of Albanian Prime minister Dr. Sali Berisha was broadcasted LIVE by CNN. It was the only speech broadcasted live by CNN from the UN General Assembly.
A lot of boiling has been going on yesterday in UN General Assembly where primeministers and ministers of Albania and Serbia had word clashes against each other.
One thing that must be mentioned is that the speech of Albanian Prime minister Dr. Sali Berisha was broadcasted LIVE by CNN. It was the only speech broadcasted live by CNN from the UN General Assembly.
"“We will know for sure that Wisner’s words are genuine once Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice stops issuing further statements mentioning the independence of Kosovo,” Koštunica underscored."
Eaxctly right - that is what is needed.
Ceku is clearly stating that unless full independence is granted they will declare independence unilaterally. He is not taking the Troika remotely seriously.
The US needs to take responsibility and rein in Ceku, who is taking this approach largely because of their one-sided comments.
Serbia now is trying to cut the USA administration in the middle when it comes to Kosova independence. Did Tadic hear what the USA President say in Tirana? Enough is enough and it is time to move on. Realistically here is not the issue of independence of Kosova because Kosova has been independent since 1999. Here is at stake the Sovereignity of Kosova. In other words would the Kosovar Albanians accept to be Serbian citizens or not. I presonally doubt. So what is to compromise about? When it comes to Citizenship (Sovereignity) I doubt than more the two million Kosovar Albanians would accept to be Serbian citizens. It is not realistic especially after what "their" Serbian State did to these people.
If the USA encourage the independence of Kosovo, they know what happened there in 1999, what was done against the population, and they surely know that it is the best for the Serbs and the Albanians to live apart, in different states, in order to avoid wars and social disorders of all kinds.
I think that the Serbs should analyse the past and the present, and hope for the best for the future, and the best passes by the independence for Kosovo!
Kate=Princip et al.:
Wisner has said he will support any compromise reached by the two parties, but, if no compromise is reached, they already have an idea what to do, and NOTHING you can do about it!
Time to move on, and Putin with his idea of a frozen conflict is such a passe.
Guys get real, and, lets move on and have good neighbourly relations. The economical relationship will erase all the differences,
Kosovo land is not moving away from Serbia, so dont panic, there is only a change of peoples in charge.
More you oppose it with the constant posting of ridiculous writtings more you look that you are out of touch with reality of the world.
UN has proved to be impotent for resolving many problems of the world, including this one, so the process is taking place outside of UN.
Therefore the Russian VETO will NOT matter any more.
You are absolutely right. The UN was and will be an unfunctional, waistful blabla forum. Nothing meaningful or useful can be decided in that waistful site. All the important decisions have to be taken outside of it for a long time. There is always a "primadona" country, who treatens to use his veto. This was the case with France in 2003 and Russia in 2007. The simple way is to get around that country like you get around a car on the route trying to block the trafic.
France did not get her way in 2003 and was humiliated by her impuissance. The same thing will happen to Russia this time. The Serbs would say that Russia is stronger. Stronger perhaps but not strong enough.
I call all other Albanians to be happy since within Serbia peace and prosperity will mean also the faster integration into the EU!
and what is perhaps even more important for them, the end of those criminal clans which are illegaly ruling KiM now under the noses of UNMIK...
times will change, boys!
(Jovan, 29. September 2007 23:38)
Dear Jovan, we don't want your "peace" and "prosperity". Who garanties us that after 10 years, some other Milosevic will not take power and try to exterminate us? We don't want to have nothing in common with Serbia. If you want to join EU or became a russian oblas, it's your problem. We are different. We are not "serbs" nor even "slavs" by background so we'll never accept to be called serbs and live under a state called Serbia. You have a population of 10 millions, but 2,5 millions are albanians, 1 million is hungarian, another million is bosnian not talking about montenegrins, vlachs and romas. So, in a country where you have only 50% of the people, you want us to accept the fact that you call it after your nationality, and furthermore, to call ourselves "serbs". This is ridiculous, knowing what your army, your leaders and your priests did to us.
PS. A bad news for you dear serbs: Fatmir Limaj which you depict as criminal, is INNOCENT and free. The Hague tribunal decided all the accuses from the serb side are just rubish.
"UN has proved to be impotent for resolving many problems of the world, including this one, so the process is taking place outside of UN.
Therefore the Russian VETO will NOT matter any more.
(lazer, 29. September 2007 15:12)"
I bet Pristina would disagree with you if they are serious about statehood. UN membership is the ultimate confirmation of independence. If the UN doesn't matter, Pristina would have unilaterally declared independence a long time ago!
PLEASE explain to me and all others how France was humiliated in 2003?????
Have history proved US right and France wrong about Weapons of mass destruction in Iraq?
Hs the war in Iraq in ANYway improved US economy or influence in the world? Do I have to remind you how the US dollar have changed against all other world currencies since 2003?
Is it stronger now against the EURO which it was in 2003?
Do you see unilateral independece of Kosovo in the same way as Turkey sees independece of "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus"?
There can be no recognized/
legal/supported independence outside the UN, Good luck if you think that the UN doesn't matter...
I have recently thought about this a lot.
Most comments here are recognizing the obvious, that most likely nothing will happen through the UN.
The real question is: What will happen outside the UN? We've heard several statements made by US politicians on various levels, including the highest (President Bush) that it will.
Yet, I am not convinced at all.
With all due respect for all the countries, there are only several of them that could, depending of their support or opposition to something, add or take away a lot of weight to the matter.
I would not include Slovakia nor Greece among those heavyweights.
But, the US needs support of the EU to carry the plan through, as it's obvious that any implementation will fall almost exclusivelly on Europeans.
Britain is siding with US, as always, but not so eagerly this time. I guess we have to keep in mind that there is a new administration there, that doesn't want to cozy up to the outgoing American one, especially given its unpopularity in the States, and very real possibility of Democratic government after the new elections.
Another one is somewhat surprising to many - France. French have been noted as being almost principally allied with Germany since the WW2, and opposed to just about anything comming from Anglo-block (US and Britain). And yes, that includes latest (2003) row before the war in Iraq, as Joe mentioned here.
Sarkozy seems to be willing to build new alliance here.
In the meantime, Germany is driffting away from France, not significantlly, but to small degree. Germans have been just to bussy building the new relationship with Russia, centred around North Stream gas pipeline and other energy projects.
Those new alliances and power blocks that are being formed right now, are influenting Kosovo talks right now, as well as positions of those countries.
Just recently France joined the group of countries issuing statements that unilateral recognition of Kosovo is "possibility" should negotiating process fail to find a solution.
On the other hand Germans have softened their stance considerably, to end up with the statements (just before the talks started), that "negotiated settlement agreeable to both sides" is the only way forward.
Of course, US and EU are not the only ones represented in Troika. There is Russia too, with position that needs to be considered.
Seemingly, they are the most relaxed at the start of the talks. Simply, they have nothing to lose.
They made it clear that they are planning to block Kosovo's independance in the UN.
It costs them nothing to do so, and should US back off, it would give them a great deal of influence in Serbia, free.
Should idenpendance be declared unilaterally by Kosovo Albanians, any recognition from the West would give them a chance to recognize Russian-backed breakaway republics in Georgia and Moldavia.
For them it's really a win-win situation.
It's almost certain that talks will fail, unless West pushes for consessions from Kosovo's negotieting team.
Should talks fail, unilateral declaration of independance will certainly follow.
The real question here is if anyone will recognize it? To give such opportunity to Russia to do the same?
It seems very unlikely.
It's more believable that everyone would simply walk away, blaming Kosovo Albanians for "unilateral actions".
Good exit strategy for them.
It will be very interesting to see what will happen in next few months. "Frozen conflict" appears to be a very real possibility, despite of so many bussy bees around, seemingly trying to solve this.
The independence of Kosova is unavoidable and very real. Serbia now is pushing USA and Europe to declare illegal any unilaterally declaration of Independence from the Kosovar Albanian. The proclamation of independence will happen after the 10th of December. After that date the time is running out for Serbia. The Serbian government can start talking among itself all day and night. I am sure that the Kosovar delegation are thinking about exit strategy after the 10th of December. One thing is certain that when it comes to the the "compromise" and ask the Kosovar Albanians to be Serbian citizens that will never happen.
Kosovo is the land of 230000 Serb refugees who had to leave Kosovo because of Albanian repressions. It is their land too.
40000 had to leave Pristina alone.
If Kandi would only stop showing how good they are being to muslims by pushing Kosovo agenda.They did that with both Iran and Irak,and we know the results.Your trups are training with Serbiand.Why,? So you can protect Albanians with Serbian help.Give me a break.
oh Victor..now that the US are more and more realizing that they are becoming more and more marginalized with their view of the "inevitable" and "only viable solution" how they call their mistake...
you would call even broad autonomy a victory for the fanatized independence supporters... but in reality, it will only be a victory for those Albanians who want to live in peace and prosperity...
those who dream of a greater Albania...will stay what they actually always were...
losers.
I call all other Albanians to be happy since within Serbia peace and prosperity will mean also the faster integration into the EU!
and what is perhaps even more important for them, the end of those criminal clans which are illegaly ruling KiM now under the noses of UNMIK...
"The independence of Kosova is unavoidable and very real."
Your posts are similar to Ahmed's and a couple others who have always issued failed prophesies of Kosovo's "inevitable" independance. Their predictions have become laughable because they have been saying that for the last 2 years and each time they have failed.
Try not to make the same mistakes as it is a pitiable situation to promise something you cannot deliver!
Calling Albanians losers it makes you a soar loser who simply can't handle the fact that Kosova may become Independent soon. I don't think B92 should sanctions reasonable arguments, but Jovan's racial comments and name calling go beyond anything I have seen here posted by B92.
Hopefully the editors of B92 will refuse to post such offending comments especially if their aim is to stabilize relations between Serbs and Albanians.
Kalsu,
I read your link is mind buggling to see the author's name Singh. Half of India is called Singh. Which Sing is he?
Who cares what Indian Sings think.
The negitiations are a very good thing no matter the result.
I think the big question is the following:
Would the Kosovar Albanians accept to be Serbian citizens or not.
It is clear that the Serbian side is negotiating for the future of Kosovo Land; the Albanian side is negotiating for the future of the Kosovo People who live on this land.
I think it's very, very clear why the world's democratic forces are vocally for the indipendence.
"I have written before on this blog, that the reason Russia is opposing Kosovo/a Independence is not because they love Serbia so much, but, there are about 20 new countries to emerge out of Russia in the very near future.
So Putin and his DUMA really have hot ashes under their feet. They are feeling the heat, and will NOT be able to sustain the country of Russia as is right now.
How is that for a wake up cup of coffe in the morning?
To all Serbian posters, just think about that for a moment.
As far as other frozen conflict areas such as So. Ossetia, Moldova, Abkhazia,Nagorno-Kaharabak Kurdistan, Kashmir, Tibet, Burma,East Timor, Taiwan...
nothing to connect to Kosovo/a.
Kosovo/a is a unique case, and is being treated as one.
That is why people like you guys are confused and dont know how to react to it, and writte in a very ridiculous way, like Princip=Kate, Mr. Cvele, lowe, Jovan, Bob etc. etc.
Cheers
(lazer, 30. September 2007 01:01)"
It is precisely for this reason and will probably be in the sole factor that Kosovo is not and probably will not gain independence. Russia is not some useless entity in the world, it is a massive trading partner of the EU and they both need each other.
If indeed it was so easily just to recognize Kosovo's independence without taking Russia and China into regard, wouldn't it have been done back in 1999?
The EU is continuing with talks in order to accommodate Russia, evidently Russia still means something to them. Kosovar's are indeed very naive if they think that the US and "EU" are enough for them to run as a country. It is FAR broader than that. They need to stop thinking that they are the world's belly button (as if anyone cares about their freedom) and look at the broader picture.
Mr Tadic is talking about autonomy for Kosovo as an end to the problem, when he knows, I am sure, that autonomy is barely a step among others. This is the only way to conceive autononomy, otherwise, it would be a half-measure with the pretention of making of the nation a corpse without a soul! Mr Tadic should think of this before making comments. Autonomy has a sense only at the condition that it leads towards independence... And the independence leads to a full liberty.
As we see, autonomy is one among many steps that leads towards independence.
I have written before on this blog, that the reason Russia is opposing Kosovo/a Independence is not because they love Serbia so much, but, there are about 20 new countries to emerge out of Russia in the very near future.
So Putin and his DUMA really have hot ashes under their feet. They are feeling the heat, and will NOT be able to sustain the country of Russia as is right now.
How is that for a wake up cup of coffe in the morning?
To all Serbian posters, just think about that for a moment.
As far as other frozen conflict areas such as So. Ossetia, Moldova, Abkhazia,Nagorno-Kaharabak Kurdistan, Kashmir, Tibet, Burma,East Timor, Taiwan...
nothing to connect to Kosovo/a.
Kosovo/a is a unique case, and is being treated as one.
That is why people like you guys are confused and dont know how to react to it, and writte in a very ridiculous way, like Princip=Kate, Mr. Cvele, lowe, Jovan, Bob etc. etc.
Cheers
Kosova is already independent. Now they're only waiting for the Serbs to finally realize it, as the rest of the world has realized since "Bondsteel" foundations were dug in.
I hope that you are living in a real world. Kosova is independent from Serbia. The issue here is Sovereignity. Would the more than two million Kosovar Albanian accept to be Serbian citizens. I hope you will the point.
I found this article this morning from a Google Alert i am not for or against but is this something the people of Kosovo should consider not talking about those who do not live in Kosovo/a how ever you want to pronounce it. Here is the link
http://www.neurope.eu/articles/78326.php
I found this article this morning from a Google Alert i am not for or against but is this something the people of Kosovo should consider not talking about those who do not live in Kosovo/a how ever you want to pronounce it. Here is the link
[link]
(Kalsu, 30. September 2007 06:54)
Kalsu, I found another article, not from some indian pseudonymus, but by a well known british columnist of THE GUARDIAN. I published here it, but the unbiased editors of the serb website B92, decided it was too much hurting for their serb fellows. Perhaps because it was sayng some plain truths. If you are curious enough you can find it to The guardian site, looking for the latest articles of Jonathan Steele. Or if the unbiased editors of B92 will not cut it again this interesting fact, just surf to the following link:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,,2178986,00.html
Jovan, I take note and at the same time reject your invitation to go towards Europe under Serbia's armpit.
Your tone is sth like the owner's invitation that: you can live only as my slave and I'll throuw you some rubbish and you don't deserve more than that.
Please Jovan don't forget that this Europe is inviting Serbia and Kosovo to join as separate, and not united, entities.
Serbia is invited at the, not loud, condition of being realistic and forget the past.
Please Jovan forget the 19th century mentality.
"The EU is continuing with talks in order to accommodate Russia, evidently Russia still means something to them. Kosovar's are indeed very naive if they think that the US and "EU" are enough for them to run as a country. It is FAR broader than that. They need to stop thinking that they are the world's belly button (as if anyone cares about their freedom) and look at the broader picture.
(Peter Sudyka, 30. September 2007 12:11) "
Kosovo/a might be the worlds belly button, but, here we have, which is very important THE PRINCIPLE of FREEDOM and DEMOCRACY and the RIGHT of PEPOPLE for SELF-DETERMINATION.
And, my dear friend, Peter,
there are those countries who value freedom and democracy, and its not Russia or Serbia.
On the other side you have USA, Canada and 95% of EU.
Kosovo/a will not do trade with Russia. It does NOT need Russia or any Serbian friendly countries that will impede the process of INDEPENDENCE which gives people of Kosovo/a freedom ,to live and prosper in piece.
That is why, they are even willing to allow supervision by EU, just to assure the world that there is no hidden agenda as far as minorities and as you Serbian posters claim, terrorism, mafia, drugs and what not.
In contrary, Kosovo/a will be a small but a very succesful country.
With mines and arable land, it will not need much of trade with countries that dont like Kosovo/a to become a nation and have its own borders, and of course interference from its neighbours.
Cheers!!!
Calling Albanians losers it makes you a soar loser who simply can't handle the fact that Kosova may become Independent soon. I don't think B92 should sanctions reasonable arguments, but Jovan's racial comments and name calling go beyond anything I have seen here posted by B92.
Hopefully the editors of B92 will refuse to post such offending comments especially if their aim is to stabilize relations between Serbs and Albanians.
(Destan Belaxhia, 30. September 2007 07:23) "
Destan, you should really sit back and read your own comment, before posting it...
if you´d been honest, you would not have presented it like I am calling ALL Albanians losers, no, I do not! I call those Albanians losers, whose only joy it is to dream of a greater Albania... of illyrian illusions and falsified history! THOSE I call losers...
you should not mix it up! ( althoug we all know why you are trying to do so here )
and please, I seriously ask you to STOP that nonsense calling me a racist, it won´t get any more credible if you repeat that rubbish a thousand times! you only harm yourself with remarks like that!
so, stop that propaganda-nonsense, it´s not about race, or religion, it´s only about international law.
that´s something you deliberately avoid to say. the reason for that is quite obvious. YOU HAVE SIMPLY NO VIABLE ARGUMENTS.
and to Glauk:
the guarantee is that it will be a supervised autonomy, what means, if you do not trust the Serbs, what I can understand to a certain extent after the last 20 years, you certainly can trust the international community that will guarantee the sovereignty of Serbia and also your security ( although it wont be in danger - remember Slobo is gone )
so, Albanians, please, stop those accusations and falsifications, they are futile and counterproductive!
ONCE AGAIN STOP CALLING ME A RACIST, I AM NO RACIST and do not like to be insulted.
if you do not know what a racist is, go and educate yourself!
I consider of the utmost importance the future relationship between Serbs and Albanians. We are here together and, even being side by side or together has not necessarily been a happy situation especially the efforts to bring us both closer, can be happy where we are.
Once this told I consider the article of Mr Singh as uncorrect: Albanians have shown their religious tolerance during the centuries following a simple truth: the Albanians religion is the Albanism, since we were fighting for our existence and not for our right of belief which comes immediately after you realize the basic need of having your ground. Albania and Albanians, after having had more than all necessary imposed harmful relationships, are fully commited to the democracy and democratic countries of the world who reply with the same behaviour.
I strongly think that tha future of the Balkans is one of piece and prosperity.
It is going to be a curse for the Serbs for the upcoming decade, I see nothing but depression.
For some camp who claims that they don't need the WEST and going EAST is better they are sure sucking up to America trying to convince them otherwise.
Serbs ask, "why join EU when they hate us and support Kosova" or "why join NATO when they bombed us"....how about this, WHY PLEAD to AMERICA WHEN THEY BOMBED YOU.
According to your flawed logic AMERICA hates Serbia.
"“We will know for sure that Wisner’s words are genuine once Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice stops issuing further statements mentioning the independence of Kosovo,” Koštunica underscored."
Eaxctly right - that is what is needed.
Ceku is clearly stating that unless full independence is granted they will declare independence unilaterally. He is not taking the Troika remotely seriously.
The US needs to take responsibility and rein in Ceku, who is taking this approach largely because of their one-sided comments.
You are absolutely right. The UN was and will be an unfunctional, waistful blabla forum. Nothing meaningful or useful can be decided in that waistful site. All the important decisions have to be taken outside of it for a long time. There is always a "primadona" country, who treatens to use his veto. This was the case with France in 2003 and Russia in 2007. The simple way is to get around that country like you get around a car on the route trying to block the trafic.
France did not get her way in 2003 and was humiliated by her impuissance. The same thing will happen to Russia this time. The Serbs would say that Russia is stronger. Stronger perhaps but not strong enough.
Serbia now is trying to cut the USA administration in the middle when it comes to Kosova independence. Did Tadic hear what the USA President say in Tirana? Enough is enough and it is time to move on. Realistically here is not the issue of independence of Kosova because Kosova has been independent since 1999. Here is at stake the Sovereignity of Kosova. In other words would the Kosovar Albanians accept to be Serbian citizens or not. I presonally doubt. So what is to compromise about? When it comes to Citizenship (Sovereignity) I doubt than more the two million Kosovar Albanians would accept to be Serbian citizens. It is not realistic especially after what "their" Serbian State did to these people.
Kate=Princip et al.:
Wisner has said he will support any compromise reached by the two parties, but, if no compromise is reached, they already have an idea what to do, and NOTHING you can do about it!
Time to move on, and Putin with his idea of a frozen conflict is such a passe.
Guys get real, and, lets move on and have good neighbourly relations. The economical relationship will erase all the differences,
Kosovo land is not moving away from Serbia, so dont panic, there is only a change of peoples in charge.
More you oppose it with the constant posting of ridiculous writtings more you look that you are out of touch with reality of the world.
UN has proved to be impotent for resolving many problems of the world, including this one, so the process is taking place outside of UN.
Therefore the Russian VETO will NOT matter any more.
If the USA encourage the independence of Kosovo, they know what happened there in 1999, what was done against the population, and they surely know that it is the best for the Serbs and the Albanians to live apart, in different states, in order to avoid wars and social disorders of all kinds.
I think that the Serbs should analyse the past and the present, and hope for the best for the future, and the best passes by the independence for Kosovo!
Calling Albanians losers it makes you a soar loser who simply can't handle the fact that Kosova may become Independent soon. I don't think B92 should sanctions reasonable arguments, but Jovan's racial comments and name calling go beyond anything I have seen here posted by B92.
Hopefully the editors of B92 will refuse to post such offending comments especially if their aim is to stabilize relations between Serbs and Albanians.
A lot of boiling has been going on yesterday in UN General Assembly where primeministers and ministers of Albania and Serbia had word clashes against each other.
One thing that must be mentioned is that the speech of Albanian Prime minister Dr. Sali Berisha was broadcasted LIVE by CNN. It was the only speech broadcasted live by CNN from the UN General Assembly.
"UN has proved to be impotent for resolving many problems of the world, including this one, so the process is taking place outside of UN.
Therefore the Russian VETO will NOT matter any more.
(lazer, 29. September 2007 15:12)"
I bet Pristina would disagree with you if they are serious about statehood. UN membership is the ultimate confirmation of independence. If the UN doesn't matter, Pristina would have unilaterally declared independence a long time ago!
The independence of Kosova is unavoidable and very real. Serbia now is pushing USA and Europe to declare illegal any unilaterally declaration of Independence from the Kosovar Albanian. The proclamation of independence will happen after the 10th of December. After that date the time is running out for Serbia. The Serbian government can start talking among itself all day and night. I am sure that the Kosovar delegation are thinking about exit strategy after the 10th of December. One thing is certain that when it comes to the the "compromise" and ask the Kosovar Albanians to be Serbian citizens that will never happen.
I have written before on this blog, that the reason Russia is opposing Kosovo/a Independence is not because they love Serbia so much, but, there are about 20 new countries to emerge out of Russia in the very near future.
So Putin and his DUMA really have hot ashes under their feet. They are feeling the heat, and will NOT be able to sustain the country of Russia as is right now.
How is that for a wake up cup of coffe in the morning?
To all Serbian posters, just think about that for a moment.
As far as other frozen conflict areas such as So. Ossetia, Moldova, Abkhazia,Nagorno-Kaharabak Kurdistan, Kashmir, Tibet, Burma,East Timor, Taiwan...
nothing to connect to Kosovo/a.
Kosovo/a is a unique case, and is being treated as one.
That is why people like you guys are confused and dont know how to react to it, and writte in a very ridiculous way, like Princip=Kate, Mr. Cvele, lowe, Jovan, Bob etc. etc.
Cheers
Kosova is already independent. Now they're only waiting for the Serbs to finally realize it, as the rest of the world has realized since "Bondsteel" foundations were dug in.
Kalsu,
I read your link is mind buggling to see the author's name Singh. Half of India is called Singh. Which Sing is he?
Who cares what Indian Sings think.
Jovan, I take note and at the same time reject your invitation to go towards Europe under Serbia's armpit.
Your tone is sth like the owner's invitation that: you can live only as my slave and I'll throuw you some rubbish and you don't deserve more than that.
Please Jovan don't forget that this Europe is inviting Serbia and Kosovo to join as separate, and not united, entities.
Serbia is invited at the, not loud, condition of being realistic and forget the past.
Please Jovan forget the 19th century mentality.
If Kandi would only stop showing how good they are being to muslims by pushing Kosovo agenda.They did that with both Iran and Irak,and we know the results.Your trups are training with Serbiand.Why,? So you can protect Albanians with Serbian help.Give me a break.
I have recently thought about this a lot.
Most comments here are recognizing the obvious, that most likely nothing will happen through the UN.
The real question is: What will happen outside the UN? We've heard several statements made by US politicians on various levels, including the highest (President Bush) that it will.
Yet, I am not convinced at all.
With all due respect for all the countries, there are only several of them that could, depending of their support or opposition to something, add or take away a lot of weight to the matter.
I would not include Slovakia nor Greece among those heavyweights.
But, the US needs support of the EU to carry the plan through, as it's obvious that any implementation will fall almost exclusivelly on Europeans.
Britain is siding with US, as always, but not so eagerly this time. I guess we have to keep in mind that there is a new administration there, that doesn't want to cozy up to the outgoing American one, especially given its unpopularity in the States, and very real possibility of Democratic government after the new elections.
Another one is somewhat surprising to many - France. French have been noted as being almost principally allied with Germany since the WW2, and opposed to just about anything comming from Anglo-block (US and Britain). And yes, that includes latest (2003) row before the war in Iraq, as Joe mentioned here.
Sarkozy seems to be willing to build new alliance here.
In the meantime, Germany is driffting away from France, not significantlly, but to small degree. Germans have been just to bussy building the new relationship with Russia, centred around North Stream gas pipeline and other energy projects.
Those new alliances and power blocks that are being formed right now, are influenting Kosovo talks right now, as well as positions of those countries.
Just recently France joined the group of countries issuing statements that unilateral recognition of Kosovo is "possibility" should negotiating process fail to find a solution.
On the other hand Germans have softened their stance considerably, to end up with the statements (just before the talks started), that "negotiated settlement agreeable to both sides" is the only way forward.
Of course, US and EU are not the only ones represented in Troika. There is Russia too, with position that needs to be considered.
Seemingly, they are the most relaxed at the start of the talks. Simply, they have nothing to lose.
They made it clear that they are planning to block Kosovo's independance in the UN.
It costs them nothing to do so, and should US back off, it would give them a great deal of influence in Serbia, free.
Should idenpendance be declared unilaterally by Kosovo Albanians, any recognition from the West would give them a chance to recognize Russian-backed breakaway republics in Georgia and Moldavia.
For them it's really a win-win situation.
It's almost certain that talks will fail, unless West pushes for consessions from Kosovo's negotieting team.
Should talks fail, unilateral declaration of independance will certainly follow.
The real question here is if anyone will recognize it? To give such opportunity to Russia to do the same?
It seems very unlikely.
It's more believable that everyone would simply walk away, blaming Kosovo Albanians for "unilateral actions".
Good exit strategy for them.
It will be very interesting to see what will happen in next few months. "Frozen conflict" appears to be a very real possibility, despite of so many bussy bees around, seemingly trying to solve this.
Mr Tadic is talking about autonomy for Kosovo as an end to the problem, when he knows, I am sure, that autonomy is barely a step among others. This is the only way to conceive autononomy, otherwise, it would be a half-measure with the pretention of making of the nation a corpse without a soul! Mr Tadic should think of this before making comments. Autonomy has a sense only at the condition that it leads towards independence... And the independence leads to a full liberty.
As we see, autonomy is one among many steps that leads towards independence.
The negitiations are a very good thing no matter the result.
I think the big question is the following:
Would the Kosovar Albanians accept to be Serbian citizens or not.
It is clear that the Serbian side is negotiating for the future of Kosovo Land; the Albanian side is negotiating for the future of the Kosovo People who live on this land.
I think it's very, very clear why the world's democratic forces are vocally for the indipendence.
I hope that you are living in a real world. Kosova is independent from Serbia. The issue here is Sovereignity. Would the more than two million Kosovar Albanian accept to be Serbian citizens. I hope you will the point.
I call all other Albanians to be happy since within Serbia peace and prosperity will mean also the faster integration into the EU!
and what is perhaps even more important for them, the end of those criminal clans which are illegaly ruling KiM now under the noses of UNMIK...
times will change, boys!
(Jovan, 29. September 2007 23:38)
Dear Jovan, we don't want your "peace" and "prosperity". Who garanties us that after 10 years, some other Milosevic will not take power and try to exterminate us? We don't want to have nothing in common with Serbia. If you want to join EU or became a russian oblas, it's your problem. We are different. We are not "serbs" nor even "slavs" by background so we'll never accept to be called serbs and live under a state called Serbia. You have a population of 10 millions, but 2,5 millions are albanians, 1 million is hungarian, another million is bosnian not talking about montenegrins, vlachs and romas. So, in a country where you have only 50% of the people, you want us to accept the fact that you call it after your nationality, and furthermore, to call ourselves "serbs". This is ridiculous, knowing what your army, your leaders and your priests did to us.
PS. A bad news for you dear serbs: Fatmir Limaj which you depict as criminal, is INNOCENT and free. The Hague tribunal decided all the accuses from the serb side are just rubish.
I found this article this morning from a Google Alert i am not for or against but is this something the people of Kosovo should consider not talking about those who do not live in Kosovo/a how ever you want to pronounce it. Here is the link
[link]
(Kalsu, 30. September 2007 06:54)
Kalsu, I found another article, not from some indian pseudonymus, but by a well known british columnist of THE GUARDIAN. I published here it, but the unbiased editors of the serb website B92, decided it was too much hurting for their serb fellows. Perhaps because it was sayng some plain truths. If you are curious enough you can find it to The guardian site, looking for the latest articles of Jonathan Steele. Or if the unbiased editors of B92 will not cut it again this interesting fact, just surf to the following link:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,,2178986,00.html
"The EU is continuing with talks in order to accommodate Russia, evidently Russia still means something to them. Kosovar's are indeed very naive if they think that the US and "EU" are enough for them to run as a country. It is FAR broader than that. They need to stop thinking that they are the world's belly button (as if anyone cares about their freedom) and look at the broader picture.
(Peter Sudyka, 30. September 2007 12:11) "
Kosovo/a might be the worlds belly button, but, here we have, which is very important THE PRINCIPLE of FREEDOM and DEMOCRACY and the RIGHT of PEPOPLE for SELF-DETERMINATION.
And, my dear friend, Peter,
there are those countries who value freedom and democracy, and its not Russia or Serbia.
On the other side you have USA, Canada and 95% of EU.
Kosovo/a will not do trade with Russia. It does NOT need Russia or any Serbian friendly countries that will impede the process of INDEPENDENCE which gives people of Kosovo/a freedom ,to live and prosper in piece.
That is why, they are even willing to allow supervision by EU, just to assure the world that there is no hidden agenda as far as minorities and as you Serbian posters claim, terrorism, mafia, drugs and what not.
In contrary, Kosovo/a will be a small but a very succesful country.
With mines and arable land, it will not need much of trade with countries that dont like Kosovo/a to become a nation and have its own borders, and of course interference from its neighbours.
Cheers!!!
PLEASE explain to me and all others how France was humiliated in 2003?????
Have history proved US right and France wrong about Weapons of mass destruction in Iraq?
Hs the war in Iraq in ANYway improved US economy or influence in the world? Do I have to remind you how the US dollar have changed against all other world currencies since 2003?
Is it stronger now against the EURO which it was in 2003?
Do you see unilateral independece of Kosovo in the same way as Turkey sees independece of "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus"?
There can be no recognized/
legal/supported independence outside the UN, Good luck if you think that the UN doesn't matter...
oh Victor..now that the US are more and more realizing that they are becoming more and more marginalized with their view of the "inevitable" and "only viable solution" how they call their mistake...
you would call even broad autonomy a victory for the fanatized independence supporters... but in reality, it will only be a victory for those Albanians who want to live in peace and prosperity...
those who dream of a greater Albania...will stay what they actually always were...
losers.
I call all other Albanians to be happy since within Serbia peace and prosperity will mean also the faster integration into the EU!
and what is perhaps even more important for them, the end of those criminal clans which are illegaly ruling KiM now under the noses of UNMIK...
"The independence of Kosova is unavoidable and very real."
Your posts are similar to Ahmed's and a couple others who have always issued failed prophesies of Kosovo's "inevitable" independance. Their predictions have become laughable because they have been saying that for the last 2 years and each time they have failed.
Try not to make the same mistakes as it is a pitiable situation to promise something you cannot deliver!
I found this article this morning from a Google Alert i am not for or against but is this something the people of Kosovo should consider not talking about those who do not live in Kosovo/a how ever you want to pronounce it. Here is the link
http://www.neurope.eu/articles/78326.php
I consider of the utmost importance the future relationship between Serbs and Albanians. We are here together and, even being side by side or together has not necessarily been a happy situation especially the efforts to bring us both closer, can be happy where we are.
Once this told I consider the article of Mr Singh as uncorrect: Albanians have shown their religious tolerance during the centuries following a simple truth: the Albanians religion is the Albanism, since we were fighting for our existence and not for our right of belief which comes immediately after you realize the basic need of having your ground. Albania and Albanians, after having had more than all necessary imposed harmful relationships, are fully commited to the democracy and democratic countries of the world who reply with the same behaviour.
I strongly think that tha future of the Balkans is one of piece and prosperity.
"I have written before on this blog, that the reason Russia is opposing Kosovo/a Independence is not because they love Serbia so much, but, there are about 20 new countries to emerge out of Russia in the very near future.
So Putin and his DUMA really have hot ashes under their feet. They are feeling the heat, and will NOT be able to sustain the country of Russia as is right now.
How is that for a wake up cup of coffe in the morning?
To all Serbian posters, just think about that for a moment.
As far as other frozen conflict areas such as So. Ossetia, Moldova, Abkhazia,Nagorno-Kaharabak Kurdistan, Kashmir, Tibet, Burma,East Timor, Taiwan...
nothing to connect to Kosovo/a.
Kosovo/a is a unique case, and is being treated as one.
That is why people like you guys are confused and dont know how to react to it, and writte in a very ridiculous way, like Princip=Kate, Mr. Cvele, lowe, Jovan, Bob etc. etc.
Cheers
(lazer, 30. September 2007 01:01)"
It is precisely for this reason and will probably be in the sole factor that Kosovo is not and probably will not gain independence. Russia is not some useless entity in the world, it is a massive trading partner of the EU and they both need each other.
If indeed it was so easily just to recognize Kosovo's independence without taking Russia and China into regard, wouldn't it have been done back in 1999?
The EU is continuing with talks in order to accommodate Russia, evidently Russia still means something to them. Kosovar's are indeed very naive if they think that the US and "EU" are enough for them to run as a country. It is FAR broader than that. They need to stop thinking that they are the world's belly button (as if anyone cares about their freedom) and look at the broader picture.
Kosovo is the land of 230000 Serb refugees who had to leave Kosovo because of Albanian repressions. It is their land too.
40000 had to leave Pristina alone.
It is going to be a curse for the Serbs for the upcoming decade, I see nothing but depression.
For some camp who claims that they don't need the WEST and going EAST is better they are sure sucking up to America trying to convince them otherwise.
Serbs ask, "why join EU when they hate us and support Kosova" or "why join NATO when they bombed us"....how about this, WHY PLEAD to AMERICA WHEN THEY BOMBED YOU.
According to your flawed logic AMERICA hates Serbia.
Calling Albanians losers it makes you a soar loser who simply can't handle the fact that Kosova may become Independent soon. I don't think B92 should sanctions reasonable arguments, but Jovan's racial comments and name calling go beyond anything I have seen here posted by B92.
Hopefully the editors of B92 will refuse to post such offending comments especially if their aim is to stabilize relations between Serbs and Albanians.
(Destan Belaxhia, 30. September 2007 07:23) "
Destan, you should really sit back and read your own comment, before posting it...
if you´d been honest, you would not have presented it like I am calling ALL Albanians losers, no, I do not! I call those Albanians losers, whose only joy it is to dream of a greater Albania... of illyrian illusions and falsified history! THOSE I call losers...
you should not mix it up! ( althoug we all know why you are trying to do so here )
and please, I seriously ask you to STOP that nonsense calling me a racist, it won´t get any more credible if you repeat that rubbish a thousand times! you only harm yourself with remarks like that!
so, stop that propaganda-nonsense, it´s not about race, or religion, it´s only about international law.
that´s something you deliberately avoid to say. the reason for that is quite obvious. YOU HAVE SIMPLY NO VIABLE ARGUMENTS.
and to Glauk:
the guarantee is that it will be a supervised autonomy, what means, if you do not trust the Serbs, what I can understand to a certain extent after the last 20 years, you certainly can trust the international community that will guarantee the sovereignty of Serbia and also your security ( although it wont be in danger - remember Slobo is gone )
so, Albanians, please, stop those accusations and falsifications, they are futile and counterproductive!
ONCE AGAIN STOP CALLING ME A RACIST, I AM NO RACIST and do not like to be insulted.
if you do not know what a racist is, go and educate yourself!
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