Priština: Nothing but independence

If Ceku and team fail to even show willing, they are quickly going to try the patience of the EU, Russia and even the US. They are making a mockery of the entire Troika concept.

Kosova Team has prepared documents for signing a Treaty between two countires for good neihgborly relations in all aspects of life. Even though I do not agree totally considering what Albanians had to endure for decades, but than again for the sake of peace I have to agree with this Treaty. This should be signed and we should all move along and enjoy peace for the sake of future generations to come.

Ansolutely right. It is now or never. That is the will of more than two people of Kosova. It was not an easy road even for the tiny republic of Montenegro to win independence where almost half of its population are Serbs or wanted to be with Serbia. I know few Serbs in here will say that it was a republic in the former Yugoslavia and ......Why Serbia didnt gave the independece straight away to them. That another reason why the Kosovar Albanian cause is right for full independence

And here we go again.

Kosova will only renew its will of the 1991, and re-announce Independence, whether Kate, or any other Serbians like or dislike this fact.

THE INDEPENDENCE OF KOSOVA, IS THE ONLY WAY FOR PEACE AND STABILITY IN THE BALKANS.

EA, you can compare Kosovo with Sandzak but not with Montenegro. I'm sure that most Montenegrins would find your comments offending since Montenegro has a long history of statehood unlike Kosovo which has always been a part of Serbia and will always be.

EA,

- lets have self determination for everyone in that case - is this all that the Serbian Albanians from Serbia's province are basing their case upon? I look forward to seeing the events unfold in the next few days but everyone needs to come to the "netotiation" talks ready to "compromise" otherwise like Kate states it won't look too good.

Dear EA,

I assume independent Kosovo will be the first state to support the Declaration of Independence of Northern-Kosovo as soon as it is announced?
Do you know what is the will of majority living in Northern Kosovo?
Are you ready to support the will of people?

The ethnic Albanian team will head to New York with its proposed "agreement for friendship and cooperation with Serbia."

Keep your friends close & your enemies closer.

THE INDEPENDENCE OF KOSOVA, IS THE ONLY WAY FOR PEACE AND STABILITY IN THE BALKANS.
(Enis XHEMAILI, 25. September 2007 11:54)

What if Serbia said they will regain control of the their souther province if its territorial integrity were threatened? Then how would independence lead to peace? Only more war. That why Serbs are always the victims. But are blamed for everything when they have no choice but to fight back.

I was in Montenegro when it declared the independence. I didn't witness a single disturbance by the state of Serbia against the declaration.
Furthermore, Serbia was in no position to "give independancy" to Montenegro.
Personally I am pleased that Montenegro, as Serbia, is an independent country -as now neither of them can accuse the other one of their own problems.

If Montenegrians or Serbs want to achieve something they must be ready to stand in front of mirror and tell themselves honestly what do they see.
Are Kosovars able to do this?

Kate: they are doing exactly what they should do and what we expect them to do. They are stating their position, their bottom line and then showing their willingness to discuss the other matters. If Serbia wants to waste time talking about the topic of negotiations, fine by us. It's the Serbs that are under time constraints. We have Kosova, we have the US and most of the EU and it is clear that Kosova will be independent so the Serb government can best admit to that and start trying to secure K-Albanian Serbs the best conditions. There is nothing else left to talk about.

"Kate and other Serbs..."

Nope, ENIS, as I have regularly said I am not Serbian.

I wrote a ver modest coment in regard to this article yet was not posted. It's very strange WHY?

Pristina can in fact get their de facto independence this minute if they want -- just declare independence -- the price however will be north Kosovo. Pristina never controlled that area anyway.

Olli:
Montenegro had a constitutional right to hold a referendum. Serbia recognized them immediately. Kosovo & Metohija is a Serb province not a republic and its residents have no legal right to do the same.
Maybe a United Kingdom parallel might explain it better for you. Scotland has a constitutional right for an independence referendum but Yorkshire and its "Bradfordars" do not.

EA,

Indeed. Will Kosovo recognize the independence of North Kosovo?
The will of the people, you know...

it seems to me that the prishtina team is doing it with style

albanians say independence and here a document of friendship and cooperation

serbs say autonomy and have no idea on how to integrate 2 million albanians that have been murdered by the same state

Tim,

And what about the Serbs killed by Albanians since 1999?
Face it, you can't even govern yourself. You need SUPERVISON. For years and years. And then join EU as part of Serbia.

EA, you will never see that partnership, not in your lifetime. Would you want to be partners with a neighbor that killed your people, cleansed them from their ancestral homes, destroyed their ancient houses of worship, desecrated their cemeteries, and are attempting to steal your land? I believe you would not. Friendship works this way - you do something nice for me, and I'll do something nice for you.

I don't like the fact that Serbia is at least trying to bargain but Ceku is so stubborn on this! He seems to have no regard for compromize or diplomatic consensus, I wonder if one day an independent Kosovo in the EU would have the ordacity to behave in the same way! One thing is for sure, his approach will definitely not bring about stability to the Balkans, the history and current socio-political climate are too complex for that.

I believe that if there is no mutual agreement in this affair, the Balkans will see another war! Both sides have to agree and lose out on something, to make it fair!

Otherwise what we have is NOT a democracy!!! The EU does not want non-democratic states in their fold!

Dear EA,

I didn't yet read your view on the question Will Kosovo recognize the independence of North Kosovo?

What do you say, do you respect the will of people?

And dear "good evening",

If you read what I wrote... you could see that I understand something, even without United Kingdom parallel.
But I'm not sure if EA does...

I am an independent observer here, honestly speaking i don't think the granting of Kosovo independence will not bring stablity to the balkans but only the begining of rash of separtist movements not only in the balkans but in Europe itself. Now do the albanians deserve more say in the daily operations of Kosovo yes but to be independent no i am sorry to say this because i want to ask a question first can Kosovo operate independently without funding from outside of Kosovo? 2. Will the able bodied young workers stay and work in Kosovo or try to leave for the EU to get a better paying jobs. Just answer my questions and not give comments about never living under Serbian rule answer the questions please. A member of the Troika asked this question about funding and no one answered the question but instead making a point to never live under Serbian rule. Do you actually think the EU will allow Kosovo to join? Let us be realistic, the EU looks at Kosovo as a welfare case and you see why they are not united on Kosovo. If the EU has placed limits on Bulgarian and Romanian Workers do you not think they will not do the same for Kosovo. Like i said i am just an observer i am neither pro and anti any one just asking some questions that i hope will be answered. Thank you for your time.

Dear Olli,

You are missing the point when you look into Kosova issue and how the solve the problems there. We have to look into one issue in its entirity. Kosova is relatively a small country. Asking to divide Kosova would mean to looking the change of entire borders in the Balkans. I haven's suggested for the time being that the Albanian's living in Podujeva, Bujanovc and Medvegja being independent from Serbia. But I do believe that the Albanians living in this areas should have the same right as the Serbs in Kosova. I also believe in the Frendship Pact between the Kosova and Serbia as two independent countries, with free movements of people, free movement of goods, common agreements to fight crime and curruption. That would mean real partnership.

"I don't like the fact that Serbia is at least trying to bargain but Ceku is so stubborn on this!"

I fail to see what Serbia is bargaining. They offered more than autonomy and less than independence. This is what they are trumpeting as a compromise. I fail to see where the bargain is since they want to get exactly what they offer. I fail to also see the bargain because for all practical purposes Kosova/o is now functioning as an independent state, supervised by the UN. This is exactly how they want to be internationally recognized but with EU replacing the UN. Under the Serb plan Kosova/o will not be practically independent but dependent on Serbia. Kosova/o under the Serbian plan will lose a lot of the privileges it has now. I fail to see were the bargain comes from the Serbian side.
How can you call the Serbian plan a bargain when what it is offering is less than what Kosova/o already has.
You cannot call a bargain a status based on an inequality of less then or more then ( the less and the more depending on Belgrade's wishes). Nobody in their right mind would base their future and their children's future on an inequality.

K Albanians will have nothing less than independence--territorial integrity is another matter, so keep this in mind. Serbs, you have to understand why this makes sense, and accept that they are prepared for becoming another N Cyprus. A(Although Kosovo would receive more support than N Cyprus.) On the other hand, K Albanians know that a N Cyprus outcome would not be great since Kosovo would never attain a UN (or EU or NATO) seat.
Serbs still calling for autonomy, and Kosovo still calling for integrity seem like two race car drivers playing chicken. If both don't stop, a crash will occur, and Kosovo will become some quasi state, but the Serbs will have much more to lose.

So, it is in both parties' interest to negotiate on how Kosovo leaves Serbia--to see what guarantees it can give to Serbs in Kosovo and to determine the land it leaves behind. We need to convince parties to avoid the crash.

"I fail to see what Serbia is bargaining. They offered more than autonomy and less than independence. This is what they are trumpeting as a compromise. I fail to see where the bargain is since they want to get exactly what they offer. I fail to also see the bargain because for all practical purposes Kosova/o is now functioning as an independent state, supervised by the UN. This is exactly how they want to be internationally recognized but with EU replacing the UN. Under the Serb plan Kosova/o will not be practically independent but dependent on Serbia. Kosova/o under the Serbian plan will lose a lot of the privileges it has now. I fail to see were the bargain comes from the Serbian side.
How can you call the Serbian plan a bargain when what it is offering is less than what Kosova/o already has.
You cannot call a bargain a status based on an inequality of less then or more then ( the less and the more depending on Belgrade's wishes). Nobody in their right mind would base their future and their children's future on an inequality.
(johny, 26. September 2007 06:25)"

The only thing that I am saying is that Serbia is at least trying to propose something different from their initial stand, whilst the Kosovo Albanians are not being flexible at all.

The fundamental, underlining question is how both sides accept the outcome on December the 10th. An outcome favoring the one side will more than likely cause an unfavorable reaction from the other.

And that is a fact!

There has to be an outcome that will not cause a negative reaction from either side... except one where both lose something, and both win something.

I am a Pan-Europeanist and I do not wish for either people to suffer. It may seem like stupid blabbering from a neutral party for someone who lives there, but it is the only way for peace! I think that the US and Russia should have no say in this matter at all!

Ansolutely right. It is now or never. That is the will of more than two people of Kosova. It was not an easy road even for the tiny republic of Montenegro to win independence where almost half of its population are Serbs or wanted to be with Serbia. I know few Serbs in here will say that it was a republic in the former Yugoslavia and ......Why Serbia didnt gave the independece straight away to them. That another reason why the Kosovar Albanian cause is right for full independence

Kosova Team has prepared documents for signing a Treaty between two countires for good neihgborly relations in all aspects of life. Even though I do not agree totally considering what Albanians had to endure for decades, but than again for the sake of peace I have to agree with this Treaty. This should be signed and we should all move along and enjoy peace for the sake of future generations to come.

And here we go again.

Kosova will only renew its will of the 1991, and re-announce Independence, whether Kate, or any other Serbians like or dislike this fact.

THE INDEPENDENCE OF KOSOVA, IS THE ONLY WAY FOR PEACE AND STABILITY IN THE BALKANS.

If Ceku and team fail to even show willing, they are quickly going to try the patience of the EU, Russia and even the US. They are making a mockery of the entire Troika concept.

EA,

- lets have self determination for everyone in that case - is this all that the Serbian Albanians from Serbia's province are basing their case upon? I look forward to seeing the events unfold in the next few days but everyone needs to come to the "netotiation" talks ready to "compromise" otherwise like Kate states it won't look too good.

EA, you can compare Kosovo with Sandzak but not with Montenegro. I'm sure that most Montenegrins would find your comments offending since Montenegro has a long history of statehood unlike Kosovo which has always been a part of Serbia and will always be.

I wrote a ver modest coment in regard to this article yet was not posted. It's very strange WHY?

Kate: they are doing exactly what they should do and what we expect them to do. They are stating their position, their bottom line and then showing their willingness to discuss the other matters. If Serbia wants to waste time talking about the topic of negotiations, fine by us. It's the Serbs that are under time constraints. We have Kosova, we have the US and most of the EU and it is clear that Kosova will be independent so the Serb government can best admit to that and start trying to secure K-Albanian Serbs the best conditions. There is nothing else left to talk about.

it seems to me that the prishtina team is doing it with style

albanians say independence and here a document of friendship and cooperation

serbs say autonomy and have no idea on how to integrate 2 million albanians that have been murdered by the same state

Dear EA,

I assume independent Kosovo will be the first state to support the Declaration of Independence of Northern-Kosovo as soon as it is announced?
Do you know what is the will of majority living in Northern Kosovo?
Are you ready to support the will of people?

Pristina can in fact get their de facto independence this minute if they want -- just declare independence -- the price however will be north Kosovo. Pristina never controlled that area anyway.

"Kate and other Serbs..."

Nope, ENIS, as I have regularly said I am not Serbian.

Olli:
Montenegro had a constitutional right to hold a referendum. Serbia recognized them immediately. Kosovo & Metohija is a Serb province not a republic and its residents have no legal right to do the same.
Maybe a United Kingdom parallel might explain it better for you. Scotland has a constitutional right for an independence referendum but Yorkshire and its "Bradfordars" do not.

I don't like the fact that Serbia is at least trying to bargain but Ceku is so stubborn on this! He seems to have no regard for compromize or diplomatic consensus, I wonder if one day an independent Kosovo in the EU would have the ordacity to behave in the same way! One thing is for sure, his approach will definitely not bring about stability to the Balkans, the history and current socio-political climate are too complex for that.

I believe that if there is no mutual agreement in this affair, the Balkans will see another war! Both sides have to agree and lose out on something, to make it fair!

Otherwise what we have is NOT a democracy!!! The EU does not want non-democratic states in their fold!

EA,

Indeed. Will Kosovo recognize the independence of North Kosovo?
The will of the people, you know...

Dear Olli,

You are missing the point when you look into Kosova issue and how the solve the problems there. We have to look into one issue in its entirity. Kosova is relatively a small country. Asking to divide Kosova would mean to looking the change of entire borders in the Balkans. I haven's suggested for the time being that the Albanian's living in Podujeva, Bujanovc and Medvegja being independent from Serbia. But I do believe that the Albanians living in this areas should have the same right as the Serbs in Kosova. I also believe in the Frendship Pact between the Kosova and Serbia as two independent countries, with free movements of people, free movement of goods, common agreements to fight crime and curruption. That would mean real partnership.

I was in Montenegro when it declared the independence. I didn't witness a single disturbance by the state of Serbia against the declaration.
Furthermore, Serbia was in no position to "give independancy" to Montenegro.
Personally I am pleased that Montenegro, as Serbia, is an independent country -as now neither of them can accuse the other one of their own problems.

If Montenegrians or Serbs want to achieve something they must be ready to stand in front of mirror and tell themselves honestly what do they see.
Are Kosovars able to do this?

Dear EA,

I didn't yet read your view on the question Will Kosovo recognize the independence of North Kosovo?

What do you say, do you respect the will of people?

And dear "good evening",

If you read what I wrote... you could see that I understand something, even without United Kingdom parallel.
But I'm not sure if EA does...

K Albanians will have nothing less than independence--territorial integrity is another matter, so keep this in mind. Serbs, you have to understand why this makes sense, and accept that they are prepared for becoming another N Cyprus. A(Although Kosovo would receive more support than N Cyprus.) On the other hand, K Albanians know that a N Cyprus outcome would not be great since Kosovo would never attain a UN (or EU or NATO) seat.
Serbs still calling for autonomy, and Kosovo still calling for integrity seem like two race car drivers playing chicken. If both don't stop, a crash will occur, and Kosovo will become some quasi state, but the Serbs will have much more to lose.

So, it is in both parties' interest to negotiate on how Kosovo leaves Serbia--to see what guarantees it can give to Serbs in Kosovo and to determine the land it leaves behind. We need to convince parties to avoid the crash.

The ethnic Albanian team will head to New York with its proposed "agreement for friendship and cooperation with Serbia."

Keep your friends close & your enemies closer.

Tim,

And what about the Serbs killed by Albanians since 1999?
Face it, you can't even govern yourself. You need SUPERVISON. For years and years. And then join EU as part of Serbia.

THE INDEPENDENCE OF KOSOVA, IS THE ONLY WAY FOR PEACE AND STABILITY IN THE BALKANS.
(Enis XHEMAILI, 25. September 2007 11:54)

What if Serbia said they will regain control of the their souther province if its territorial integrity were threatened? Then how would independence lead to peace? Only more war. That why Serbs are always the victims. But are blamed for everything when they have no choice but to fight back.

EA, you will never see that partnership, not in your lifetime. Would you want to be partners with a neighbor that killed your people, cleansed them from their ancestral homes, destroyed their ancient houses of worship, desecrated their cemeteries, and are attempting to steal your land? I believe you would not. Friendship works this way - you do something nice for me, and I'll do something nice for you.

I am an independent observer here, honestly speaking i don't think the granting of Kosovo independence will not bring stablity to the balkans but only the begining of rash of separtist movements not only in the balkans but in Europe itself. Now do the albanians deserve more say in the daily operations of Kosovo yes but to be independent no i am sorry to say this because i want to ask a question first can Kosovo operate independently without funding from outside of Kosovo? 2. Will the able bodied young workers stay and work in Kosovo or try to leave for the EU to get a better paying jobs. Just answer my questions and not give comments about never living under Serbian rule answer the questions please. A member of the Troika asked this question about funding and no one answered the question but instead making a point to never live under Serbian rule. Do you actually think the EU will allow Kosovo to join? Let us be realistic, the EU looks at Kosovo as a welfare case and you see why they are not united on Kosovo. If the EU has placed limits on Bulgarian and Romanian Workers do you not think they will not do the same for Kosovo. Like i said i am just an observer i am neither pro and anti any one just asking some questions that i hope will be answered. Thank you for your time.

"I don't like the fact that Serbia is at least trying to bargain but Ceku is so stubborn on this!"

I fail to see what Serbia is bargaining. They offered more than autonomy and less than independence. This is what they are trumpeting as a compromise. I fail to see where the bargain is since they want to get exactly what they offer. I fail to also see the bargain because for all practical purposes Kosova/o is now functioning as an independent state, supervised by the UN. This is exactly how they want to be internationally recognized but with EU replacing the UN. Under the Serb plan Kosova/o will not be practically independent but dependent on Serbia. Kosova/o under the Serbian plan will lose a lot of the privileges it has now. I fail to see were the bargain comes from the Serbian side.
How can you call the Serbian plan a bargain when what it is offering is less than what Kosova/o already has.
You cannot call a bargain a status based on an inequality of less then or more then ( the less and the more depending on Belgrade's wishes). Nobody in their right mind would base their future and their children's future on an inequality.

"I fail to see what Serbia is bargaining. They offered more than autonomy and less than independence. This is what they are trumpeting as a compromise. I fail to see where the bargain is since they want to get exactly what they offer. I fail to also see the bargain because for all practical purposes Kosova/o is now functioning as an independent state, supervised by the UN. This is exactly how they want to be internationally recognized but with EU replacing the UN. Under the Serb plan Kosova/o will not be practically independent but dependent on Serbia. Kosova/o under the Serbian plan will lose a lot of the privileges it has now. I fail to see were the bargain comes from the Serbian side.
How can you call the Serbian plan a bargain when what it is offering is less than what Kosova/o already has.
You cannot call a bargain a status based on an inequality of less then or more then ( the less and the more depending on Belgrade's wishes). Nobody in their right mind would base their future and their children's future on an inequality.
(johny, 26. September 2007 06:25)"

The only thing that I am saying is that Serbia is at least trying to propose something different from their initial stand, whilst the Kosovo Albanians are not being flexible at all.

The fundamental, underlining question is how both sides accept the outcome on December the 10th. An outcome favoring the one side will more than likely cause an unfavorable reaction from the other.

And that is a fact!

There has to be an outcome that will not cause a negative reaction from either side... except one where both lose something, and both win something.

I am a Pan-Europeanist and I do not wish for either people to suffer. It may seem like stupid blabbering from a neutral party for someone who lives there, but it is the only way for peace! I think that the US and Russia should have no say in this matter at all!