U.S.: Only independent Kosovo can stabilize Balkans

The messege is cristal clear. Kosova will independent. The way forward Ahtisari Plan and Kosova's offer for a Frendship Pact with Serbia as two independent countries, free movement of goods, free movement of people, mutual agreements on policies in fighting crime and corruption,integration, full respect of minority rights on each country and final common path to NATO and European Union. That would mean being real and guaranteed results.

The bells are ringing loud and clear.

I absolutely agree with Kondi (Condoliza Rice), she knows what she is talking about ... when I hear of partition, I am absolutely shocked, how can someone think that by partitioning Kosovo into pieces ballkans will be a secure place? Analize a bit the situation please before you comment my friends?!!!

Kate
Americans will not declare our independence for us, nor will British, French or Russian for that matter. Independence will be a solemn act of Kosova parliament expressing the will of the absolute majority of the Kosova's people for a better future and for a clean break from the past.
Now Ceku has said after the 10th of December and that’s good enough for me.

Condi is absolutely spot on when she equates giving independence to Kosova with doing the right thing. In the end all the factors that are needed to make a sound judgement on the matter like justice, peace, stability, development and integration, emphasise the need for a sovereign Kosova.

It is not only Rice that is behind the Kosova Independece but most of EU too.
Here is the link to Sarkozy's interview given to NY Times http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/23/world/europe/24excerpts.html?pagewanted=5&_r=1
I know that Princip and Kate are going to try ans spin this somehow to look different but guys you are not doing it good.

"...there's going to be an independent Kosovo. We're dedicated to that. It's the only solution that is potentially stabilizing for the Balkans rather than destabilizing for the Balkans,". very clear, very sagacious statement. there is a big hope that prosperous, european is ahead of us, both nations. come on people, lets try and make better future for the sake of new generations. it is the right time to read the history soberly.



IT IS TIME FOR PEACE!

Serbia and it's nice people don't know many things about Kosovo. They don't know how people lived here before and how they are living now. If someone would like to pay a price of war for peace this makes no sense any moore ...it's like ruining for building...

Therefore, Serbia should live in peace and get closer to Europe...by agreeing on Kosovo's independence...with the good will...
Kosovo will appreciate this to build friendship with Serbia in the FUTURE.

Cheers

There was an article on International Herald Tribune that said that the US and the EU are gonna recognize the independence of Kosova if there is no agreement by the 10th of December. The only really serious problem was of course Greece and Cyprus (=little Greece). Well as long as the rest of the EU go along who cares about them.They'll come along eventually.

Goal and decision is there, now we are going step by step and there is no way back...
I don't understand who can think different and with which argumentations?!

If Slavic brother (by language, religion, culture, tradition, common history,...) couldn't agree to live under one roof, how can the others...

Where would be logic of NATO intervention if NATO would say 'here you can take your victim back and continue with your intentions'!?

How would be reasoning of investments in Kosovo from USA, Europe and other tax payers?!

And, finally something 'between' doesn't exist. There will be independence and first steps are already done...

Good luck Kosovo on your on way...

KATE and some other posters can try and make themselves happy by switching and switching the words but the truth is that Ms. Rice is making it VERY CLEAR that the only outcome is KOSOVA INDEPENDENT. As for EU's stance, our french friend Sarkozy made it very clear yesterday also that the only outcome for Kosova solution is INDEPENDENCE.
INDEPENDENCE AND ONLY INDEPENDENCE from a country like Serbia who has been violation the MOST BASIC HUMAN LAW, which is the right to live.

EA - BY declaring independence, Kosovo IS splitting Serbia, so splitting Kosovo is also acceptable. If Serbia can be split on ethnic lines, that sets a precedent, which should allow Kosovo to also be split on ethnic lines.

So what if there are 100,000 Albanians in the rest of Serbia. That's a drop in the ocean of a population of 8/9 million in Serbia. What's that got to do with anything? Are you inferring that they would also have a right to break away? Come back down to earth.

Also, when is ANY Albanian going to give a sound, logical reason why northern Kosovo, which is populated by Serbs who don't want to live in an Albanian dominated state, should not be allowed to break away, just like the Albanians in Kosovo want to break free from Serbia, a country they claim they can't live in !!!!

The US idea of stabilization is pure hocum. The reality is that the US wants a puppet state in the Balkans where it can control future pipelines, and the Albanians want the Trepca mines, which is the REAL reason why they are so against partition of Kosovo.

Assume that the US and the EU recognise Kosovo, and Russia veto's it in the security council. What then? Kosovo CANNOT join the EU as you have to be a legal entity to do so. Without UN recognition, this is impossible to do.

Again, I reiterate, the logical step for all sides would be a partition. It would be seen to be a compromise for both sides, and leading on from that mutual recognition where both Serbia and Kosovo can enter the EU.

If Kosovo declares unilateral independence, Serbia will never accept it = NO official (UN) recognition + therefore NO EU accession for either country.

Unilateral declaration of independence is a stupid, illogical move which can only lead to a bleak future for Serbia and Kosovo.

The US clearly does not want a stable Balkans. They have been the most destabilizing force in the Balkans for the last 15 years in fact. I have a message for Condi: Unilateral recognition of a greater albania on Serbian soil (because it will not happen legally, that is for sure) will lead to unilateral recognition of Republika Srpska by Russia. In addition, Serbia will never accept this and will retain control of northern Koaovo regardless. If you think this is stabilizing to the Balkans, and the rest of the world, be my guest. Serbs are prepared for this scenario.

PB,
Spliting Kosova would be like asking spliting Serbia itself. You know that there are more than 100.000 Albanians living in Podujeva, Bujanovc and Medvegja, and sorrounding area. What do you think about that? That is one of the reasons why partition is not a good idea. As I have mentioned the Kosova independence is the real solutions as well the Kosovar Albanians offer for a Friendship Pact with the Serbian government is real.

"Spliting Kosova would be like asking spliting Serbia itself. You know that there are more than 100.000 Albanians living in Podujeva, Bujanovc and Medvegja, and sorrounding area. What do you think about that? " - EA

Wow! bang on EA. Kosovo-Methojia is an integral part of the Republic of Serbia and yes tearing it away from Serbia is splitting Serbia itself since KiM IS part of Serbia and Serbia is a sovereign state. Also, do you propose to split Belgrade itself as tens of thousands of ethnic Albanians live and work there.

US suggest that EU "should do the right thing."

- Put me right but what is the last time the US said everyone must believe the US and do the right thing - Iraq -

“Europe should join the United States in backing statehood for the Serbian province,” - which means it is not currently and thus the US are looking all the more isolated. Nice way to go Condi - remining everyone & backing up Dumbya's words is just digging a bigger hole. Good to see the US coming clean in their attempts at sabotaging the talks - nothing new here! Into the boiling pot the US add more oil - maybe the US want a war and instability - clearly their military companies have done well out of Iraq - maybe they have lined up deals with the Saudi's but Europeans are not so dumbya! What is clear is that the US won't do it any illegal recognition alone and the EU is not going to be united on such a move so way to go Condi divide and conquer seems like the ploy. Come winter I am sure many 'Europeans' will prefer lower gas bills rather then more US hot air!

"We've told the Kosovars that we don't think a unilateral declaration of independence is a very good idea," she said, although lower-ranking U.S. officials have suggested Washington would recognize such a declaration.

"The Europeans ... know the Balkans is ultimately much closer to Europe than to the United States, and if they need a stable Balkans, they're going to have to take the tough decisions and do the right thing," she concluded."

I read this entire article as saying that the US still favours independence, but that the EU is not on board with this idea.

Ms Rice has the chance to say that the US would recognise unilaterally declared independence but it is left up to a lower level official to suggest this annonymously. Munter obviously had all of his recent remarks sanctioned by the US admin, so they clearly still stand.

She also makes it clear that an agreed solution between Serbia and the Kosovan representatives would be by far the best (and only legal) outcome.

They may not be singing from the same hymn sheet, but at least they are now looking at the same book.

Is she blind and deaf? Does she realize that if Kosovo gains independence, whats to stop Republika Srpska from getting it as well? Basques? Northern Ireland? Serbs in Croatia? Sandzak in Serbia? Albanians in Macedonia? Hungarians in Slovakia? Russians in Moldova? Chechnya? Kurdistan? Kashmir? Cyprus? Osetia? Georgia? Crimea? Tibet? And many many others.

In one article, Condi/US is stating they won't get involved in the status of KosovO, but in another they (US) claim that they will back up & was even audaic enough to state that "KosovO will be independent".

Didn't the US government promise this about the status in the middle east too? Don't count your chickens before they've hatched.

When was it the last time that US supported a stabilizing solution anywhere in the world? I cannot recall. US have become so predictable that the rest of us only need to do exactly the opposite of what they want in order to achieve a guaranteed peace and prosperity.

The only way a possible lasting peace can be found is if Kosovo is partitioned. Neither side will probably like the idea but at least each side gets something out of the deal. Independence for Kosovo will not provide stability in the Balkans, regardless of what the Americans say (they are only interested in securing their pipelines like in Afghanistan), but neither will autonomy for Kosovo as the ALbanians want independence.

The smart thing to do would be to split the province, otherwise this issue will drag on for decades like the palestinian - Israeli conflict.

The way I read this article is that Miss Rice only says that Europe should join the US in recognizing independent Kosovo. She did not say that Europe has decided on that. She goes on to say that "We have already decided that". Who is we? The US alone? By saying that EU should join the US suggest to me that the term "we" is US.

The US has decided this a long time ago and nothing has eventuated yet. She is only singing the same song over and over.

It is still a long road ahead. First the EU has to be unanimous and that's not likely. I don't see any proof that this is going to happen.

With more European countries having concerns about independence, the possibility of EU having everyone on board is not looking well.

Then we have Russia and China (both with veto power) against it. The UN is not going to pass it either. I think the US will have to leave it to EU or UN to decide.

village-bey: "In the end all the factors that are needed to make a sound judgement on the matter like justice, peace, stability, development and integration, emphasise the need for a sovereign Kosova."

Hmmm. Maybe, at some point, but PLEASE, let's have a bit more rationality, and a bit less day dreaming. I write this from Pristina, there is little evidence of any of these bold statements for any non-Albanian here.

'Justice' - like the fact that Serb Prosecutors and Judges need to be taken to and from court houses by armed guard?

'Peace' - there was a bomb only yesterday morning in Pristina. 2 dead 12 injured, some seriously.

'Stability' - where is that to come from? The government has done nothing to provide a framework for a stable economy, environment, marketplace - you name it.

'Development' - by whom? The onlt 'development' I witness is based around laundering black money

'Integration' - by this do you mean the other ethnic groups? When will that happen. Serb enclaves live in fear and desperation, North Mitrovica is a de-facto no-go area.

You forgot to mention the mafia influence at all levels of society, or the corrupt politicians, or the nepotism and familial job-creation schemes in the civil service.

These are all aspirations, and I dearly hope they come to pass quickly, but the reality is that unless there is a genuine willingness for those in power to take their fingers out of the till, and start to think about the entire country, this will be decades away.

Kosovo to survive needs an economy. It has none. The fields lie falow, there is no manufacturing, the mineral resources are under utilised, there is no investment. Worst of all, there in no comprehensive plan by the PISG to change this.

I actually think that Kosovo will eventually gain independence. I know this will upset Serb readers, but IMHO this will be a fact. But the key is EVENTUALLY. Kosovo, in particular the PISG, need to stop grandstanding, and start a real drive to make their country viable. You can not live on EU hand outs indefinately.

Your politicians are your worst enemy.

Lowe
What will Serbia gain by acquiring a relatively small piece of land compared to the rest of Kosova? What message would that send to the small enclaves in the south? What about your historical and cultural heritage. What real value would you place on them if you take away the human factor?
Serbia could gain far more influence by having a united Kosova rather then being preoccupied so much about losing face.
Anton
I do agree with u to a certain extent and you are right about the economy but the regardless of the current status the premises are there for a bright future.
Uncertainty is the main obstacle for people not returning to work.
On integration, Serbs of Kosova would not have their rights based on the goodwill of the Albanians but rights sanctioned by laws as rightful citizens of the new state and Belgrade need to allow them to exercise those rights.

"Nations do not have allies, they have interests.” (Winston Churchill)

Continuing to banter, insult one other and occasionally share opinions in a civil manner regarding the Kosovo status is ultimately not going to impact the final outcome one bit.

Since Europe gets 25% of it's fuel from Russia, it will be interesting to see how ultimately the EU will lean..towards the US or Russia on the Kosovo issue.

The US foreign policy is based on the premise of “divide and conquer” (using NATO), ultimately making these smaller nations weaker and dependent on the West.

The US encourages independence and uses “nationalistic opportunism” as we currently see in Kosovo as their vehicle to achieve their desired outcome.

Their ultimate goal…oil.

Yes, you hear that Europe? The USA's resume on foreign policy is perfect. Look to Iraq to see just how perfect their track record is. They know very well about stability and peace. haha

Anton, your posting was very meaningful.

To my understanding, village-bey merely was acknowledging all the problems that you mention and IHHO he offers a solution to these issues. The counter-question is; would all these problems go away if Kosovo was to be ruled again by Serbia? The answer to this is a big NO, and I am not going to justify my answer here. Independence of Kosovo will come with all its pain. No one says it is going to be a milky way. Serbia has a chance to contribute positively to the development of the province by first recognizing it as as an independent entity, but instead it chooses to take its revenge by hoping to starve the population of Kosovo, just like Cvele frequently recommends.

I agree in many things with Anton, he is quite realistic.
Our PISG (Provisional Institutions for Self Government) is working very slow and with a wrong approach to solving problems. Nobody can state that Kosovo is almost like heaven, but it aint like hell (1998-1999) either. I hope these new elections will bring a new Government here in Kosovo as these current ones and the ones before when they speak the sound is like a SAGA to me...............
But you have to break economical and minority and social problems from the political status independence ... once you treat them seperate you can see the end results clearer ....

It seems to me that Serbia is gonna get nothing at all in the end. Kosova will be independent and since the Serbs refuse to accept that K-Albanians should not even consider partition any longer - although I personally think that would be better than having such a large, hostile Serb enclave in Kosova. And if the Serbs keep on pushing themselves into a corner and sell out to Russia they will also lose NATO and EU and well good luck to them then. I for one wouldn't mind Serbia turning into Byelorussia, but I guess the Serbs themselves would not enjoy it very much.

It is unbelievable how serbian commentators here read the news. The message in the news here is clear cut. Kosova will get independence. End of the story.

Does Mrs Rice supports freedom, self determination and eventually independence or join to Greece of Northern Epirus as well?

Kate, Princip & company just look how serious Belgrade is about protecting K-Albanian Serbs and about tolerance to other ethnicities. By the way the quote is from B92. And then you can lecture us on tolerance and corruption:

"He raised the question of funds allocated to Kosovo from the state budget, asking what had happened to the money, and who had made good out of it, buying apartments, property and jeeps.

Jakšić responded by accusing Batić of coming to the session not in order to defend Kosovo, but to “provoke others with his Roma and Gypsy mentality.”

Well let's get independence for Kosova first and then let Russia deal with its breakaway provinces. It sounds like a good deal to me: Kosova free and Russia getting smaller.

Fine, Madam Secretary, I hear you loud and clear. You have been pushing the independent Kosovo card vigorously, yet you and your government fail to outline what incentives you will offer Serbia as compensation for taking away territory.

Are you willing to set up Kosovo along a Dayton-like model with two confederations in one state?

Are you willing to forcefully push Pristina to accept the unconditional return of all Serbian refugees, or at the very least provide just compensation for the homes and property lost?

Are you ready to grant Serbia a fast track to the EU with full international support in order to avoid the government in Belgrade falling to the Radicals?

Are you willing to play the role of objective arbiter in the Balkans, taking the side of Serbia if proper grievances are leveled at Pristina?

Are you, in essence willing to play the role America is supposed to play in the world, rather than using smaller powers as pawns for a failed international agenda?

If you and your government are willing to do all of these, and not treat Serbia as a pariah state (which will only push them further towards Moscow), then, and ONLY then, will I support your efforts towards an independent Kosovo.

Kosova will be independent this December whether Serb camp likes it or not. There are just as many Albanians living in Serbia proper as there are Serbs living in Kosova. You want a peaceful solution, then, Preseva, Bujanoc, Medvedja, for the North. If not, stop with this Kosova is integral part of Serbia, because it has never been pecaefully. In fact, the only time has ever Kosova been part of Serbia is during Serbia's violent occupation.

I find that the USA is so bent on policy that it has abandoned reason for policy. It has presented absolutely no argument to back their claims that the Kosovo issue is unique and that it will not start a precedent for other regions to follow.

I really see absolutely no difference between the Kosovo scenario and Transdniestr, Abkhazia and Chechnya. All declared unilateral independence in the face of oppression and thus far, none have been recognized by the US. How is Kosovo different, please tell me this?

It is quite obvious to me that the US has no interest in the Albanian people, it is simply a political game! Why have they not done the same for the other three areas I spoke of? Because of Russia. So because Kosovo is outside the Russian "sphere of influence" they have the right to determine the sovereignity of nations not even on their continent?

It is pure arrogance! Like Russia before them in Afghanistan, they have achieved NOTHING in both Iraq and Afghanistan!

They are no different from Russia in this regard, at least the Russians have a stronger argument this time round, there has to be dialogue between the two and no other solution can be imposed on anyone! An imposed solution will destabilize the region, so compromize and dialogue is the only way to achieve a brighter future for the region!

That is all I have to say!

Does Mrs Rice supports freedom, self determination and eventually independence or join to Greece of Northern Epirus as well?
(Ahilleas, 25. September 2007 16:01)


How about southern Epirus (Chameria) to join albania?!! :)

We must remember that a country doesn’t need UN Security Council’s approval nor full international recognition to exist. Israel in 1948 and Bangladesh in 1971 illustrate this very well.

Two Albanias would destablise the Balkans forever. Macedonia -forget it, it would deteriorate. Bosnia? Forget about Bosnia.

Anton - I disagree that Kosovo will have independence, but your post was very interesting and good. It also sticks out because you have constructive criticisms to make and aren't against independence - that'll throw 'em!

The Washington-sponsored Albanian militants that are trying to annex southern Serbia need to remember that many of the people that they claim to represent are legal Serbian citizens of Albanian origin and would in due course be entitled to the new Serb EU-passports (March 2008), Serbian health care, free education, normal salaries. A future, basically. The day that the Albanian separatists declare unilateral independece on "their" peoples behalf there is no going back. On that date they permanently renounce their Serb citizenship rights forever. A unilateral independence declaration would rid Belgrade of a very big headache, namely the long term obligation of integrating up to 1,000,000 legal/illegal Albanian immigrants into Serb society. If this was the best solution for the USA, their ruling elite would have given the nod to the KLA warlords to do it many years ago.

To Roger7.

I don't know in what part of the world you live but you have to understand that economic threat doesn't work anymore. Russia has no power to dictate EU foreign policy . If Russia brings out, even for a moment, any threat to cut gas or oil to Europe by linking its action to this matter, that will be the end of Russian hegemony. Russia needs Europe more than the other way around. The end of the cold war showed who was the winner, despite vast Russia's mineral resources and its military might. If EU decide pro independence it is because its principled foreign policy based in big part on the human rights respect and not out of any threat from Russia or US.
Likewise, K-Albanians will not bow to any of Cvele's threats of starvation after they declare independence from Serbia. They will manage quite well for themselves.

Luke,

Indeed. This will have huge consequences. Yes!

An independent Kosovo would inevitably mean a bunch of new Balkan wars.

only independent Kosovo can DEstabilize the western balkans.


Americans are once again playing with fire...
and as always in history, Albanians are trusting the wrong side.

"I made it clear that...two things [are needed]," Bush said of his talks with senior Albanian officials. "One, that we need to get moving. And two, that the end result is independence. And we spent a lot of time talking about this issue, here."- President of United States of America.
"But there's going to be an independent Kosovo. We're dedicated to that. It's the only solution that is potentially stabilizing for the Balkans rather than destabilizing for the Balkans,"- The secretary of state Condoleezza Rice

ITS VERY VERY CLEAR!

How has the US reached such a low level? In all its history it has never made such a calculated mistake as this! Never has there been a period of determined cannibalism of devouring its allies, friends and partners as this. God have mercy on its soul and its victims.

Mike,

What you are saying is Ahtisaari plan in principle which Serbia refuses to accept.
As far as fast track to EU Serbia, as any other state, has to fulfill its requirements first starting with delivering war criminals.

Destan Belaxhia,

Yes. Live together. Then no new states are needed!

teni,

US and Western Europe are paying for your Kosovo-province.
You should at least be a bit more thankful to your saviours.

How about southern Epirus (Chameria) to join albania?!! :)
(Alban, 25. September 2007 16:46)

I am all for it, as long as you find one single albania there.

Also i would support independence of the Serbs in albania (100,000), Serbs in FYROM (300,000) and Serbs in bulgaria (5,000), and ofcourse RS joining Srbija!!!

Deal?

To everyone, please listen carefully!!

The only reason why US is after Kosova is because they want to install the biggest rdar system against Russia, of course with a military base.
Let's not be used by anyone.

Marko-Londona

US also promised independance to Hungry and Checkoslovakia amd then watched Russian tanks roll in. Britain promised to protect Poland and watched Russia and Germany split that country.

Nothing will happen on Dec. 10 but more talks.

Republika Srpska gets independence and join Serbia aswell as Krajina and nortern Kosovo. That is along ethnic lines. Deal?

If we can break Serbia into pieces then why not Bosnia and Croatia? I think we also can find a good number of Serbs in Montenegro and Macedonia that are willing to join Serbia.

Where will this new borders drawings end?

Condolissa Rice talks like a criminal. Who cares if it forbidden! Who cares if it illegal? Who cares about Serbia and Russia? Well Rice that is not the way to get stability.

I just read an article about Kosovo and corruption all over with people and UN that is sepose to create peaceful sociaty. They say that there is no investment in Kosovo because it is corrupted on every level. Then she posed the question: How much investment do you need to plant the cucumber? People simple don't want to work-reminds me of Russia after fall of communism when military had to pick up potatoes. Russia finally woke up. Kosovars please go do somthing, plant somthing in your back yard and help yourself even in smallest way. Success brings pride. This dream of inndependence is holding you back. You have to learn to accept other people and religion.

By the way I was searchin on line trying to find more info about Muslom countries where Chrystianity flurishes without fear. Can anybody please give me a list of those countries I woudld appreciate. Thanks

It seems that (as usual) both camps see things only through their own particular coloured glasses. This is understandable, it is after all only a few years since the end of the wars here. BUT ...
IF there is to be a form of greater autonomy (perhaps leading to independence - I think that this will happen, as I have said before) then there has to be a plan for day 2! Let us imagine that Kosovo declares itself unillaterally independent on Dec 10th. What happens differently on Dec 11th? Will all the unemployed suddenly have jobs? Will the mafia up-roots and go back to wherever they came from? Will the civil service replace al the sycophants and family/political 'place men/women?
Well, the answer is of course not - unless someone actually starts to plan for it. This is the elephant in the room that no one will talk about. Kosovo can not live on charity alone. Unless there is a progressive and realisable plan to develop some form of basic economy, the west will not continue to subsidise the country. Unless there is a concerted effort to eliminate corruption, ditto; unless there is a genuine respect for law and justice, ditto.
Serbia will have to accept that Kosovo will no longer be under its juristinction, but in return Kosovo have to DEMONSTRATE a respect for law and ethnic freedoms. My experiences here in the last few years do not accord with these needs.
There is still time for hard decisions, but the time is running out. UDI is not the answer.

"They will manage quite well for themselves.
(miri, 25. September 2007 16:50)"

I believe that the region is the poorest in Europe save for Moldova (you might have to correct me on this), with the highest unemployment and a massive crime rate (the only other thing of this nature can be seen in Transdniestr, with their gun, narcotics and human trafficking and compolete economic backwardness).

If Ceku is so hell-bent on independence, he should present a viable and feasible program of economic development from a mid-term to a long-term perspective, because the EU will not pour massive funds into developing the infrastructure. They have enough new members to deal with (Romania and Bulgaria in particular, though Poland, Slovakia and the Baltics rely on a great deal of aid still).

There must be a compromize between the two regions because as things stand now, Ceku is NOT acting in the best interest of the Kosovars.

Supervized independence would theoretically work, but Serbia does not agree with the concept, and it is their right. Both sides must agree...

To Destan Belaxhia.
"You want a peaceful solution, then, Preseva, Bujanoc, Medvedja, for the North."

Well, this solution is not fair at all. If any part of Serbia can be granted independance, why should Bosnia or Croatia be exempt?
The main problem is Republics are indivisable or not? Some are and some aren't isn't good enough.
I agree with this trade, as long as it's followed by few other trades. Like Serb republic for Sanjak, etc.

"Well let's get independence for Kosova first and then let Russia deal with its breakaway provinces. It sounds like a good deal to me: Kosova free and Russia getting smaller.
(teni, 25. September 2007 17:52)"


I am afraid, neither of your wishes will come true.

better answer me one question,
what will Albanians do with their "hero´s" when they return without independence?

can you answer that question, or do you fear to think about htat? =)

I just forgot to write:

doesn´t that sound like the US are shifting away and trying to put the responsibility on the EU?

It would not be the first time the US betrayed their "friends"...

Albanians, wake up, you´re still being duped!

I am sick and tired of this good news/bad news routine. Make the decision already!!!! and lets get on with life.

Aca
How has the US reached such a low level? In all its history it has never made such a calculated mistake as this! Never has there been a period of determined cannibalism of devouring its allies, friends and partners as this. God have mercy on its soul and its victims.
(Aca, 26. September 2007 00:05)

One word. Bush!

Achileas,

in your dreams you've forgotten to support independece for 500.000 Greeks in Italy (or Magna Graecia).

Italians, just like Serbs are civilized people, and i really think the Greeks of Southern Italy have a good life there in the heart of european civilazation.

I wouldn't say the same for the Greeks of South Epiros, tho, who suffered much in the most unfriendly and backwards country of eurasia - albania.

People seem to forget that there was quite an impasse between the EU and the US prior to the Iraq invasion. Remember Bush's comments about "old europe" and the following deterioration of relations between France/Germany and the US?. The EU didnt follow the US lead on Iraq and it wont follow the US lead on kosovo. The EU doesnt care about independence for kosovo because they can have a big influence there with or without it, supervised autonomy within serbia suits the EU because they will be running it basically because Serbia will approve that and it will get a legal UN mandate with Russian backing . The US knows that if they dont back kosovo independence they will lose one of their few remaining friends in the kosovo Albanians. If the US can't deliver independence to the k albs the Albanians will swiftly join the muslim worlds jihad against the US you can bet on it.The US will have to leave kosovo and let the EU supervise autonomy for the only workable solution or at least drop its support for independence. There is NO CHANCE of a united EU/US stand

"Condi is absolutely spot on when she equates giving independence to Kosova with doing the right thing. In the end all the factors that are needed to make a sound judgement on the matter like justice, peace, stability, development and integration, emphasise the need for a sovereign Kosova.
(village-bey, 25. September 2007 11:08)"

In the south yes, not for the hostile north. The realistic solution is to partition the province so that both ethnic groups need not live with each other anymore. K-Serbs from the south will likely flee north, in which case so be it once and for all. As for Albanians in south Serbia causing trouble, I don't think they will last long -- they will be hopelessly outnumbered once south Kosovo breaks away. Moreover unlike K-Albanians, the Valley Albanians don't have Nato behind them if they should resort to violence -- in fact the opposite would happen -- violence will only lead to world condemnation which is not to their benefit. Of course they could always migrate to south Kosovo if they need to be among the ethnic majority.

Achileas,

in your dreams you've forgotten to support independece for 500.000 Greeks in Italy (or Magna Graecia).

I'm just wondering how people in here are doubting Bush adminstrations stance on this Kosovo-issue. I mean, just look at Iraq, Afghanistan and middle east in general. You can all see how these places are close to paradise after americans decided to help people in there. And now Kosovo is going to get its share of the same wonderful american help, with no strings attached of course. I can not see this back firing. After all pushing for Kosovos independence, against the will of Russia and China, is just as easy as it was finding those WMDs from Iraq. Sure, Dubya doesn't know the difference between Australia and Austria, but I think he can be trusted in solving problems in balkans, since they're quite simple in nature. Achieving peace in there should be just as easy as it was for Bush administration to solve the middle east problems. Just keep up the good work, Condi and Dubya, supporting Kosovo and you will greeted as liberators in balkans, just like in Iraq...

"We must remember that a country doesn’t need UN Security Council’s approval nor full international recognition to exist. Israel in 1948 and Bangladesh in 1971 illustrate this very well.
(Bad Gorilla, 25. September 2007 18:29)"

Bad Goriilla,

What do you mean? Israel and Bangladesh applied for UN admission in the very year of their creation. Check the UN records.


"Kosova will be independent this December whether Serb camp likes it or not. There are just as many Albanians living in Serbia proper as there are Serbs living in Kosova. You want a peaceful solution, then, Preseva, Bujanoc, Medvedja, for the North. If not, stop with this Kosova is integral part of Serbia, because it has never been pecaefully. In fact, the only time has ever Kosova been part of Serbia is during Serbia's violent occupation.
(Destan Belaxhia, 25. September 2007 18:34)"

Destan Belaxhia,

You overlooked a crucial point: North Kosovo is Serb-controlled, Pristina never managed to rule this area. Just as Presevo region in south Serbia is firmly under Belgrade's jurisdication.

So don't expect the Serbs to give up both these regions since they already effectively control them.

"Lowe
What will Serbia gain by acquiring a relatively small piece of land compared to the rest of Kosova? What message would that send to the small enclaves in the south? What about your historical and cultural heritage. What real value would you place on them if you take away the human factor?
Serbia could gain far more influence by having a united Kosova rather then being preoccupied so much about losing face.
Anton
I do agree with u to a certain extent and you are right about the economy but the regardless of the current status the premises are there for a bright future.
Uncertainty is the main obstacle for people not returning to work.
On integration, Serbs of Kosova would not have their rights based on the goodwill of the Albanians but rights sanctioned by laws as rightful citizens of the new state and Belgrade need to allow them to exercise those rights.
(village-bey, 25. September 2007 14:55) "

village-bey,

Serbia will gain just that -- that small piece of land in the north -- which contained Serbs who will be grateful to Belgrade.

As for the Serb enclaves scattered in the south, well, I guess Pristina and EU (if they take over from UNMIK) will have to guarantee their rights and security or else face the "I-told-you-so" wrath of the international community. Worse case scenario, if threatened and oppressed, those Serbs can always migrate to the north where they will have security in numbers.

So to sum up, I was talking about Serbs' security and their wish not be ruled by Pristina, and NOT the relative size of lands north and south of the Ibar. And it is not about losing face but about K-Serbs in the north not wanting to be ruled by Pristina.

Anton
I do agree with everything that you say and I wished you were the one making the decisions.

Achileas,

thank you very much for attaching South Epiros to Albania, I highly appreciate.

Recalling Magna Grecia I was refering to sth. else: namely there practically are no Orthodox Greeks left there (the only Orthodoxes there being Albanian-speaking Italians, descendants of Albanians who left in 14-15th. century after the Turkish invazion), all the others are Catholics (and Italians - unlike the Greek minority in Albania, which remained always Greek and Orthodox in that unfriendly and backwards country). Any explanation?

So far, Albania recognizes national minorities in its territory and is obbliged to fulfill every European standard in matter of minorities. What about Greece, caring so much about 'homogeneous' nationals (this term sounds so racist in Europe today) abroad and denying minorities in its own territory?

"...there's going to be an independent Kosovo. We're dedicated to that. It's the only solution that is potentially stabilizing for the Balkans rather than destabilizing for the Balkans,". very clear, very sagacious statement. there is a big hope that prosperous, european is ahead of us, both nations. come on people, lets try and make better future for the sake of new generations. it is the right time to read the history soberly.



IT IS TIME FOR PEACE!

PB,
Spliting Kosova would be like asking spliting Serbia itself. You know that there are more than 100.000 Albanians living in Podujeva, Bujanovc and Medvegja, and sorrounding area. What do you think about that? That is one of the reasons why partition is not a good idea. As I have mentioned the Kosova independence is the real solutions as well the Kosovar Albanians offer for a Friendship Pact with the Serbian government is real.

The messege is cristal clear. Kosova will independent. The way forward Ahtisari Plan and Kosova's offer for a Frendship Pact with Serbia as two independent countries, free movement of goods, free movement of people, mutual agreements on policies in fighting crime and corruption,integration, full respect of minority rights on each country and final common path to NATO and European Union. That would mean being real and guaranteed results.

"We've told the Kosovars that we don't think a unilateral declaration of independence is a very good idea," she said, although lower-ranking U.S. officials have suggested Washington would recognize such a declaration.

"The Europeans ... know the Balkans is ultimately much closer to Europe than to the United States, and if they need a stable Balkans, they're going to have to take the tough decisions and do the right thing," she concluded."

I read this entire article as saying that the US still favours independence, but that the EU is not on board with this idea.

Ms Rice has the chance to say that the US would recognise unilaterally declared independence but it is left up to a lower level official to suggest this annonymously. Munter obviously had all of his recent remarks sanctioned by the US admin, so they clearly still stand.

She also makes it clear that an agreed solution between Serbia and the Kosovan representatives would be by far the best (and only legal) outcome.

They may not be singing from the same hymn sheet, but at least they are now looking at the same book.

Kosova will be independent this December whether Serb camp likes it or not. There are just as many Albanians living in Serbia proper as there are Serbs living in Kosova. You want a peaceful solution, then, Preseva, Bujanoc, Medvedja, for the North. If not, stop with this Kosova is integral part of Serbia, because it has never been pecaefully. In fact, the only time has ever Kosova been part of Serbia is during Serbia's violent occupation.

The bells are ringing loud and clear.

The only way a possible lasting peace can be found is if Kosovo is partitioned. Neither side will probably like the idea but at least each side gets something out of the deal. Independence for Kosovo will not provide stability in the Balkans, regardless of what the Americans say (they are only interested in securing their pipelines like in Afghanistan), but neither will autonomy for Kosovo as the ALbanians want independence.

The smart thing to do would be to split the province, otherwise this issue will drag on for decades like the palestinian - Israeli conflict.

It is not only Rice that is behind the Kosova Independece but most of EU too.
Here is the link to Sarkozy's interview given to NY Times http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/23/world/europe/24excerpts.html?pagewanted=5&_r=1
I know that Princip and Kate are going to try ans spin this somehow to look different but guys you are not doing it good.

Serbia and it's nice people don't know many things about Kosovo. They don't know how people lived here before and how they are living now. If someone would like to pay a price of war for peace this makes no sense any moore ...it's like ruining for building...

Therefore, Serbia should live in peace and get closer to Europe...by agreeing on Kosovo's independence...with the good will...
Kosovo will appreciate this to build friendship with Serbia in the FUTURE.

Cheers

"Spliting Kosova would be like asking spliting Serbia itself. You know that there are more than 100.000 Albanians living in Podujeva, Bujanovc and Medvegja, and sorrounding area. What do you think about that? " - EA

Wow! bang on EA. Kosovo-Methojia is an integral part of the Republic of Serbia and yes tearing it away from Serbia is splitting Serbia itself since KiM IS part of Serbia and Serbia is a sovereign state. Also, do you propose to split Belgrade itself as tens of thousands of ethnic Albanians live and work there.

US suggest that EU "should do the right thing."

- Put me right but what is the last time the US said everyone must believe the US and do the right thing - Iraq -

“Europe should join the United States in backing statehood for the Serbian province,” - which means it is not currently and thus the US are looking all the more isolated. Nice way to go Condi - remining everyone & backing up Dumbya's words is just digging a bigger hole. Good to see the US coming clean in their attempts at sabotaging the talks - nothing new here! Into the boiling pot the US add more oil - maybe the US want a war and instability - clearly their military companies have done well out of Iraq - maybe they have lined up deals with the Saudi's but Europeans are not so dumbya! What is clear is that the US won't do it any illegal recognition alone and the EU is not going to be united on such a move so way to go Condi divide and conquer seems like the ploy. Come winter I am sure many 'Europeans' will prefer lower gas bills rather then more US hot air!

The US clearly does not want a stable Balkans. They have been the most destabilizing force in the Balkans for the last 15 years in fact. I have a message for Condi: Unilateral recognition of a greater albania on Serbian soil (because it will not happen legally, that is for sure) will lead to unilateral recognition of Republika Srpska by Russia. In addition, Serbia will never accept this and will retain control of northern Koaovo regardless. If you think this is stabilizing to the Balkans, and the rest of the world, be my guest. Serbs are prepared for this scenario.

It seems to me that Serbia is gonna get nothing at all in the end. Kosova will be independent and since the Serbs refuse to accept that K-Albanians should not even consider partition any longer - although I personally think that would be better than having such a large, hostile Serb enclave in Kosova. And if the Serbs keep on pushing themselves into a corner and sell out to Russia they will also lose NATO and EU and well good luck to them then. I for one wouldn't mind Serbia turning into Byelorussia, but I guess the Serbs themselves would not enjoy it very much.

It is unbelievable how serbian commentators here read the news. The message in the news here is clear cut. Kosova will get independence. End of the story.

Kate
Americans will not declare our independence for us, nor will British, French or Russian for that matter. Independence will be a solemn act of Kosova parliament expressing the will of the absolute majority of the Kosova's people for a better future and for a clean break from the past.
Now Ceku has said after the 10th of December and that’s good enough for me.

Condi is absolutely spot on when she equates giving independence to Kosova with doing the right thing. In the end all the factors that are needed to make a sound judgement on the matter like justice, peace, stability, development and integration, emphasise the need for a sovereign Kosova.

KATE and some other posters can try and make themselves happy by switching and switching the words but the truth is that Ms. Rice is making it VERY CLEAR that the only outcome is KOSOVA INDEPENDENT. As for EU's stance, our french friend Sarkozy made it very clear yesterday also that the only outcome for Kosova solution is INDEPENDENCE.
INDEPENDENCE AND ONLY INDEPENDENCE from a country like Serbia who has been violation the MOST BASIC HUMAN LAW, which is the right to live.

Yes, you hear that Europe? The USA's resume on foreign policy is perfect. Look to Iraq to see just how perfect their track record is. They know very well about stability and peace. haha

The way I read this article is that Miss Rice only says that Europe should join the US in recognizing independent Kosovo. She did not say that Europe has decided on that. She goes on to say that "We have already decided that". Who is we? The US alone? By saying that EU should join the US suggest to me that the term "we" is US.

The US has decided this a long time ago and nothing has eventuated yet. She is only singing the same song over and over.

It is still a long road ahead. First the EU has to be unanimous and that's not likely. I don't see any proof that this is going to happen.

With more European countries having concerns about independence, the possibility of EU having everyone on board is not looking well.

Then we have Russia and China (both with veto power) against it. The UN is not going to pass it either. I think the US will have to leave it to EU or UN to decide.

There was an article on International Herald Tribune that said that the US and the EU are gonna recognize the independence of Kosova if there is no agreement by the 10th of December. The only really serious problem was of course Greece and Cyprus (=little Greece). Well as long as the rest of the EU go along who cares about them.They'll come along eventually.

Goal and decision is there, now we are going step by step and there is no way back...
I don't understand who can think different and with which argumentations?!

If Slavic brother (by language, religion, culture, tradition, common history,...) couldn't agree to live under one roof, how can the others...

Where would be logic of NATO intervention if NATO would say 'here you can take your victim back and continue with your intentions'!?

How would be reasoning of investments in Kosovo from USA, Europe and other tax payers?!

And, finally something 'between' doesn't exist. There will be independence and first steps are already done...

Good luck Kosovo on your on way...

EA - BY declaring independence, Kosovo IS splitting Serbia, so splitting Kosovo is also acceptable. If Serbia can be split on ethnic lines, that sets a precedent, which should allow Kosovo to also be split on ethnic lines.

So what if there are 100,000 Albanians in the rest of Serbia. That's a drop in the ocean of a population of 8/9 million in Serbia. What's that got to do with anything? Are you inferring that they would also have a right to break away? Come back down to earth.

Also, when is ANY Albanian going to give a sound, logical reason why northern Kosovo, which is populated by Serbs who don't want to live in an Albanian dominated state, should not be allowed to break away, just like the Albanians in Kosovo want to break free from Serbia, a country they claim they can't live in !!!!

The US idea of stabilization is pure hocum. The reality is that the US wants a puppet state in the Balkans where it can control future pipelines, and the Albanians want the Trepca mines, which is the REAL reason why they are so against partition of Kosovo.

Assume that the US and the EU recognise Kosovo, and Russia veto's it in the security council. What then? Kosovo CANNOT join the EU as you have to be a legal entity to do so. Without UN recognition, this is impossible to do.

Again, I reiterate, the logical step for all sides would be a partition. It would be seen to be a compromise for both sides, and leading on from that mutual recognition where both Serbia and Kosovo can enter the EU.

If Kosovo declares unilateral independence, Serbia will never accept it = NO official (UN) recognition + therefore NO EU accession for either country.

Unilateral declaration of independence is a stupid, illogical move which can only lead to a bleak future for Serbia and Kosovo.

Is she blind and deaf? Does she realize that if Kosovo gains independence, whats to stop Republika Srpska from getting it as well? Basques? Northern Ireland? Serbs in Croatia? Sandzak in Serbia? Albanians in Macedonia? Hungarians in Slovakia? Russians in Moldova? Chechnya? Kurdistan? Kashmir? Cyprus? Osetia? Georgia? Crimea? Tibet? And many many others.

Lowe
What will Serbia gain by acquiring a relatively small piece of land compared to the rest of Kosova? What message would that send to the small enclaves in the south? What about your historical and cultural heritage. What real value would you place on them if you take away the human factor?
Serbia could gain far more influence by having a united Kosova rather then being preoccupied so much about losing face.
Anton
I do agree with u to a certain extent and you are right about the economy but the regardless of the current status the premises are there for a bright future.
Uncertainty is the main obstacle for people not returning to work.
On integration, Serbs of Kosova would not have their rights based on the goodwill of the Albanians but rights sanctioned by laws as rightful citizens of the new state and Belgrade need to allow them to exercise those rights.

"Nations do not have allies, they have interests.” (Winston Churchill)

Continuing to banter, insult one other and occasionally share opinions in a civil manner regarding the Kosovo status is ultimately not going to impact the final outcome one bit.

Since Europe gets 25% of it's fuel from Russia, it will be interesting to see how ultimately the EU will lean..towards the US or Russia on the Kosovo issue.

The US foreign policy is based on the premise of “divide and conquer” (using NATO), ultimately making these smaller nations weaker and dependent on the West.

The US encourages independence and uses “nationalistic opportunism” as we currently see in Kosovo as their vehicle to achieve their desired outcome.

Their ultimate goal…oil.

Does Mrs Rice supports freedom, self determination and eventually independence or join to Greece of Northern Epirus as well?
(Ahilleas, 25. September 2007 16:01)


How about southern Epirus (Chameria) to join albania?!! :)

To Roger7.

I don't know in what part of the world you live but you have to understand that economic threat doesn't work anymore. Russia has no power to dictate EU foreign policy . If Russia brings out, even for a moment, any threat to cut gas or oil to Europe by linking its action to this matter, that will be the end of Russian hegemony. Russia needs Europe more than the other way around. The end of the cold war showed who was the winner, despite vast Russia's mineral resources and its military might. If EU decide pro independence it is because its principled foreign policy based in big part on the human rights respect and not out of any threat from Russia or US.
Likewise, K-Albanians will not bow to any of Cvele's threats of starvation after they declare independence from Serbia. They will manage quite well for themselves.

"They will manage quite well for themselves.
(miri, 25. September 2007 16:50)"

I believe that the region is the poorest in Europe save for Moldova (you might have to correct me on this), with the highest unemployment and a massive crime rate (the only other thing of this nature can be seen in Transdniestr, with their gun, narcotics and human trafficking and compolete economic backwardness).

If Ceku is so hell-bent on independence, he should present a viable and feasible program of economic development from a mid-term to a long-term perspective, because the EU will not pour massive funds into developing the infrastructure. They have enough new members to deal with (Romania and Bulgaria in particular, though Poland, Slovakia and the Baltics rely on a great deal of aid still).

There must be a compromize between the two regions because as things stand now, Ceku is NOT acting in the best interest of the Kosovars.

Supervized independence would theoretically work, but Serbia does not agree with the concept, and it is their right. Both sides must agree...

Well let's get independence for Kosova first and then let Russia deal with its breakaway provinces. It sounds like a good deal to me: Kosova free and Russia getting smaller.

I absolutely agree with Kondi (Condoliza Rice), she knows what she is talking about ... when I hear of partition, I am absolutely shocked, how can someone think that by partitioning Kosovo into pieces ballkans will be a secure place? Analize a bit the situation please before you comment my friends?!!!

In one article, Condi/US is stating they won't get involved in the status of KosovO, but in another they (US) claim that they will back up & was even audaic enough to state that "KosovO will be independent".

Didn't the US government promise this about the status in the middle east too? Don't count your chickens before they've hatched.

"Condi is absolutely spot on when she equates giving independence to Kosova with doing the right thing. In the end all the factors that are needed to make a sound judgement on the matter like justice, peace, stability, development and integration, emphasise the need for a sovereign Kosova.
(village-bey, 25. September 2007 11:08)"

In the south yes, not for the hostile north. The realistic solution is to partition the province so that both ethnic groups need not live with each other anymore. K-Serbs from the south will likely flee north, in which case so be it once and for all. As for Albanians in south Serbia causing trouble, I don't think they will last long -- they will be hopelessly outnumbered once south Kosovo breaks away. Moreover unlike K-Albanians, the Valley Albanians don't have Nato behind them if they should resort to violence -- in fact the opposite would happen -- violence will only lead to world condemnation which is not to their benefit. Of course they could always migrate to south Kosovo if they need to be among the ethnic majority.

When was it the last time that US supported a stabilizing solution anywhere in the world? I cannot recall. US have become so predictable that the rest of us only need to do exactly the opposite of what they want in order to achieve a guaranteed peace and prosperity.

Anton - I disagree that Kosovo will have independence, but your post was very interesting and good. It also sticks out because you have constructive criticisms to make and aren't against independence - that'll throw 'em!

Anton, your posting was very meaningful.

To my understanding, village-bey merely was acknowledging all the problems that you mention and IHHO he offers a solution to these issues. The counter-question is; would all these problems go away if Kosovo was to be ruled again by Serbia? The answer to this is a big NO, and I am not going to justify my answer here. Independence of Kosovo will come with all its pain. No one says it is going to be a milky way. Serbia has a chance to contribute positively to the development of the province by first recognizing it as as an independent entity, but instead it chooses to take its revenge by hoping to starve the population of Kosovo, just like Cvele frequently recommends.

I agree in many things with Anton, he is quite realistic.
Our PISG (Provisional Institutions for Self Government) is working very slow and with a wrong approach to solving problems. Nobody can state that Kosovo is almost like heaven, but it aint like hell (1998-1999) either. I hope these new elections will bring a new Government here in Kosovo as these current ones and the ones before when they speak the sound is like a SAGA to me...............
But you have to break economical and minority and social problems from the political status independence ... once you treat them seperate you can see the end results clearer ....

Does Mrs Rice supports freedom, self determination and eventually independence or join to Greece of Northern Epirus as well?

Kate, Princip & company just look how serious Belgrade is about protecting K-Albanian Serbs and about tolerance to other ethnicities. By the way the quote is from B92. And then you can lecture us on tolerance and corruption:

"He raised the question of funds allocated to Kosovo from the state budget, asking what had happened to the money, and who had made good out of it, buying apartments, property and jeeps.

Jakšić responded by accusing Batić of coming to the session not in order to defend Kosovo, but to “provoke others with his Roma and Gypsy mentality.”

Fine, Madam Secretary, I hear you loud and clear. You have been pushing the independent Kosovo card vigorously, yet you and your government fail to outline what incentives you will offer Serbia as compensation for taking away territory.

Are you willing to set up Kosovo along a Dayton-like model with two confederations in one state?

Are you willing to forcefully push Pristina to accept the unconditional return of all Serbian refugees, or at the very least provide just compensation for the homes and property lost?

Are you ready to grant Serbia a fast track to the EU with full international support in order to avoid the government in Belgrade falling to the Radicals?

Are you willing to play the role of objective arbiter in the Balkans, taking the side of Serbia if proper grievances are leveled at Pristina?

Are you, in essence willing to play the role America is supposed to play in the world, rather than using smaller powers as pawns for a failed international agenda?

If you and your government are willing to do all of these, and not treat Serbia as a pariah state (which will only push them further towards Moscow), then, and ONLY then, will I support your efforts towards an independent Kosovo.

We must remember that a country doesn’t need UN Security Council’s approval nor full international recognition to exist. Israel in 1948 and Bangladesh in 1971 illustrate this very well.

Mike,

What you are saying is Ahtisaari plan in principle which Serbia refuses to accept.
As far as fast track to EU Serbia, as any other state, has to fulfill its requirements first starting with delivering war criminals.

Achileas,

in your dreams you've forgotten to support independece for 500.000 Greeks in Italy (or Magna Graecia).

How has the US reached such a low level? In all its history it has never made such a calculated mistake as this! Never has there been a period of determined cannibalism of devouring its allies, friends and partners as this. God have mercy on its soul and its victims.

I find that the USA is so bent on policy that it has abandoned reason for policy. It has presented absolutely no argument to back their claims that the Kosovo issue is unique and that it will not start a precedent for other regions to follow.

I really see absolutely no difference between the Kosovo scenario and Transdniestr, Abkhazia and Chechnya. All declared unilateral independence in the face of oppression and thus far, none have been recognized by the US. How is Kosovo different, please tell me this?

It is quite obvious to me that the US has no interest in the Albanian people, it is simply a political game! Why have they not done the same for the other three areas I spoke of? Because of Russia. So because Kosovo is outside the Russian "sphere of influence" they have the right to determine the sovereignity of nations not even on their continent?

It is pure arrogance! Like Russia before them in Afghanistan, they have achieved NOTHING in both Iraq and Afghanistan!

They are no different from Russia in this regard, at least the Russians have a stronger argument this time round, there has to be dialogue between the two and no other solution can be imposed on anyone! An imposed solution will destabilize the region, so compromize and dialogue is the only way to achieve a brighter future for the region!

That is all I have to say!

The Washington-sponsored Albanian militants that are trying to annex southern Serbia need to remember that many of the people that they claim to represent are legal Serbian citizens of Albanian origin and would in due course be entitled to the new Serb EU-passports (March 2008), Serbian health care, free education, normal salaries. A future, basically. The day that the Albanian separatists declare unilateral independece on "their" peoples behalf there is no going back. On that date they permanently renounce their Serb citizenship rights forever. A unilateral independence declaration would rid Belgrade of a very big headache, namely the long term obligation of integrating up to 1,000,000 legal/illegal Albanian immigrants into Serb society. If this was the best solution for the USA, their ruling elite would have given the nod to the KLA warlords to do it many years ago.

Luke,

Indeed. This will have huge consequences. Yes!

An independent Kosovo would inevitably mean a bunch of new Balkan wars.

Two Albanias would destablise the Balkans forever. Macedonia -forget it, it would deteriorate. Bosnia? Forget about Bosnia.

Destan Belaxhia,

Yes. Live together. Then no new states are needed!

teni,

US and Western Europe are paying for your Kosovo-province.
You should at least be a bit more thankful to your saviours.

only independent Kosovo can DEstabilize the western balkans.


Americans are once again playing with fire...
and as always in history, Albanians are trusting the wrong side.

To Destan Belaxhia.
"You want a peaceful solution, then, Preseva, Bujanoc, Medvedja, for the North."

Well, this solution is not fair at all. If any part of Serbia can be granted independance, why should Bosnia or Croatia be exempt?
The main problem is Republics are indivisable or not? Some are and some aren't isn't good enough.
I agree with this trade, as long as it's followed by few other trades. Like Serb republic for Sanjak, etc.

"Well let's get independence for Kosova first and then let Russia deal with its breakaway provinces. It sounds like a good deal to me: Kosova free and Russia getting smaller.
(teni, 25. September 2007 17:52)"


I am afraid, neither of your wishes will come true.

better answer me one question,
what will Albanians do with their "hero´s" when they return without independence?

can you answer that question, or do you fear to think about htat? =)

I just forgot to write:

doesn´t that sound like the US are shifting away and trying to put the responsibility on the EU?

It would not be the first time the US betrayed their "friends"...

Albanians, wake up, you´re still being duped!

To everyone, please listen carefully!!

The only reason why US is after Kosova is because they want to install the biggest rdar system against Russia, of course with a military base.
Let's not be used by anyone.

Marko-Londona

US also promised independance to Hungry and Checkoslovakia amd then watched Russian tanks roll in. Britain promised to protect Poland and watched Russia and Germany split that country.

Nothing will happen on Dec. 10 but more talks.

village-bey: "In the end all the factors that are needed to make a sound judgement on the matter like justice, peace, stability, development and integration, emphasise the need for a sovereign Kosova."

Hmmm. Maybe, at some point, but PLEASE, let's have a bit more rationality, and a bit less day dreaming. I write this from Pristina, there is little evidence of any of these bold statements for any non-Albanian here.

'Justice' - like the fact that Serb Prosecutors and Judges need to be taken to and from court houses by armed guard?

'Peace' - there was a bomb only yesterday morning in Pristina. 2 dead 12 injured, some seriously.

'Stability' - where is that to come from? The government has done nothing to provide a framework for a stable economy, environment, marketplace - you name it.

'Development' - by whom? The onlt 'development' I witness is based around laundering black money

'Integration' - by this do you mean the other ethnic groups? When will that happen. Serb enclaves live in fear and desperation, North Mitrovica is a de-facto no-go area.

You forgot to mention the mafia influence at all levels of society, or the corrupt politicians, or the nepotism and familial job-creation schemes in the civil service.

These are all aspirations, and I dearly hope they come to pass quickly, but the reality is that unless there is a genuine willingness for those in power to take their fingers out of the till, and start to think about the entire country, this will be decades away.

Kosovo to survive needs an economy. It has none. The fields lie falow, there is no manufacturing, the mineral resources are under utilised, there is no investment. Worst of all, there in no comprehensive plan by the PISG to change this.

I actually think that Kosovo will eventually gain independence. I know this will upset Serb readers, but IMHO this will be a fact. But the key is EVENTUALLY. Kosovo, in particular the PISG, need to stop grandstanding, and start a real drive to make their country viable. You can not live on EU hand outs indefinately.

Your politicians are your worst enemy.

How about southern Epirus (Chameria) to join albania?!! :)
(Alban, 25. September 2007 16:46)

I am all for it, as long as you find one single albania there.

Also i would support independence of the Serbs in albania (100,000), Serbs in FYROM (300,000) and Serbs in bulgaria (5,000), and ofcourse RS joining Srbija!!!

Deal?

"I made it clear that...two things [are needed]," Bush said of his talks with senior Albanian officials. "One, that we need to get moving. And two, that the end result is independence. And we spent a lot of time talking about this issue, here."- President of United States of America.
"But there's going to be an independent Kosovo. We're dedicated to that. It's the only solution that is potentially stabilizing for the Balkans rather than destabilizing for the Balkans,"- The secretary of state Condoleezza Rice

ITS VERY VERY CLEAR!

I am sick and tired of this good news/bad news routine. Make the decision already!!!! and lets get on with life.

Aca
How has the US reached such a low level? In all its history it has never made such a calculated mistake as this! Never has there been a period of determined cannibalism of devouring its allies, friends and partners as this. God have mercy on its soul and its victims.
(Aca, 26. September 2007 00:05)

One word. Bush!

I'm just wondering how people in here are doubting Bush adminstrations stance on this Kosovo-issue. I mean, just look at Iraq, Afghanistan and middle east in general. You can all see how these places are close to paradise after americans decided to help people in there. And now Kosovo is going to get its share of the same wonderful american help, with no strings attached of course. I can not see this back firing. After all pushing for Kosovos independence, against the will of Russia and China, is just as easy as it was finding those WMDs from Iraq. Sure, Dubya doesn't know the difference between Australia and Austria, but I think he can be trusted in solving problems in balkans, since they're quite simple in nature. Achieving peace in there should be just as easy as it was for Bush administration to solve the middle east problems. Just keep up the good work, Condi and Dubya, supporting Kosovo and you will greeted as liberators in balkans, just like in Iraq...

Republika Srpska gets independence and join Serbia aswell as Krajina and nortern Kosovo. That is along ethnic lines. Deal?

If we can break Serbia into pieces then why not Bosnia and Croatia? I think we also can find a good number of Serbs in Montenegro and Macedonia that are willing to join Serbia.

Where will this new borders drawings end?

Condolissa Rice talks like a criminal. Who cares if it forbidden! Who cares if it illegal? Who cares about Serbia and Russia? Well Rice that is not the way to get stability.

"Lowe
What will Serbia gain by acquiring a relatively small piece of land compared to the rest of Kosova? What message would that send to the small enclaves in the south? What about your historical and cultural heritage. What real value would you place on them if you take away the human factor?
Serbia could gain far more influence by having a united Kosova rather then being preoccupied so much about losing face.
Anton
I do agree with u to a certain extent and you are right about the economy but the regardless of the current status the premises are there for a bright future.
Uncertainty is the main obstacle for people not returning to work.
On integration, Serbs of Kosova would not have their rights based on the goodwill of the Albanians but rights sanctioned by laws as rightful citizens of the new state and Belgrade need to allow them to exercise those rights.
(village-bey, 25. September 2007 14:55) "

village-bey,

Serbia will gain just that -- that small piece of land in the north -- which contained Serbs who will be grateful to Belgrade.

As for the Serb enclaves scattered in the south, well, I guess Pristina and EU (if they take over from UNMIK) will have to guarantee their rights and security or else face the "I-told-you-so" wrath of the international community. Worse case scenario, if threatened and oppressed, those Serbs can always migrate to the north where they will have security in numbers.

So to sum up, I was talking about Serbs' security and their wish not be ruled by Pristina, and NOT the relative size of lands north and south of the Ibar. And it is not about losing face but about K-Serbs in the north not wanting to be ruled by Pristina.

I just read an article about Kosovo and corruption all over with people and UN that is sepose to create peaceful sociaty. They say that there is no investment in Kosovo because it is corrupted on every level. Then she posed the question: How much investment do you need to plant the cucumber? People simple don't want to work-reminds me of Russia after fall of communism when military had to pick up potatoes. Russia finally woke up. Kosovars please go do somthing, plant somthing in your back yard and help yourself even in smallest way. Success brings pride. This dream of inndependence is holding you back. You have to learn to accept other people and religion.

By the way I was searchin on line trying to find more info about Muslom countries where Chrystianity flurishes without fear. Can anybody please give me a list of those countries I woudld appreciate. Thanks

"We must remember that a country doesn’t need UN Security Council’s approval nor full international recognition to exist. Israel in 1948 and Bangladesh in 1971 illustrate this very well.
(Bad Gorilla, 25. September 2007 18:29)"

Bad Goriilla,

What do you mean? Israel and Bangladesh applied for UN admission in the very year of their creation. Check the UN records.


"Kosova will be independent this December whether Serb camp likes it or not. There are just as many Albanians living in Serbia proper as there are Serbs living in Kosova. You want a peaceful solution, then, Preseva, Bujanoc, Medvedja, for the North. If not, stop with this Kosova is integral part of Serbia, because it has never been pecaefully. In fact, the only time has ever Kosova been part of Serbia is during Serbia's violent occupation.
(Destan Belaxhia, 25. September 2007 18:34)"

Destan Belaxhia,

You overlooked a crucial point: North Kosovo is Serb-controlled, Pristina never managed to rule this area. Just as Presevo region in south Serbia is firmly under Belgrade's jurisdication.

So don't expect the Serbs to give up both these regions since they already effectively control them.

Achileas,

in your dreams you've forgotten to support independece for 500.000 Greeks in Italy (or Magna Graecia).

Italians, just like Serbs are civilized people, and i really think the Greeks of Southern Italy have a good life there in the heart of european civilazation.

I wouldn't say the same for the Greeks of South Epiros, tho, who suffered much in the most unfriendly and backwards country of eurasia - albania.

People seem to forget that there was quite an impasse between the EU and the US prior to the Iraq invasion. Remember Bush's comments about "old europe" and the following deterioration of relations between France/Germany and the US?. The EU didnt follow the US lead on Iraq and it wont follow the US lead on kosovo. The EU doesnt care about independence for kosovo because they can have a big influence there with or without it, supervised autonomy within serbia suits the EU because they will be running it basically because Serbia will approve that and it will get a legal UN mandate with Russian backing . The US knows that if they dont back kosovo independence they will lose one of their few remaining friends in the kosovo Albanians. If the US can't deliver independence to the k albs the Albanians will swiftly join the muslim worlds jihad against the US you can bet on it.The US will have to leave kosovo and let the EU supervise autonomy for the only workable solution or at least drop its support for independence. There is NO CHANCE of a united EU/US stand

It seems that (as usual) both camps see things only through their own particular coloured glasses. This is understandable, it is after all only a few years since the end of the wars here. BUT ...
IF there is to be a form of greater autonomy (perhaps leading to independence - I think that this will happen, as I have said before) then there has to be a plan for day 2! Let us imagine that Kosovo declares itself unillaterally independent on Dec 10th. What happens differently on Dec 11th? Will all the unemployed suddenly have jobs? Will the mafia up-roots and go back to wherever they came from? Will the civil service replace al the sycophants and family/political 'place men/women?
Well, the answer is of course not - unless someone actually starts to plan for it. This is the elephant in the room that no one will talk about. Kosovo can not live on charity alone. Unless there is a progressive and realisable plan to develop some form of basic economy, the west will not continue to subsidise the country. Unless there is a concerted effort to eliminate corruption, ditto; unless there is a genuine respect for law and justice, ditto.
Serbia will have to accept that Kosovo will no longer be under its juristinction, but in return Kosovo have to DEMONSTRATE a respect for law and ethnic freedoms. My experiences here in the last few years do not accord with these needs.
There is still time for hard decisions, but the time is running out. UDI is not the answer.

Anton
I do agree with everything that you say and I wished you were the one making the decisions.

Achileas,

thank you very much for attaching South Epiros to Albania, I highly appreciate.

Recalling Magna Grecia I was refering to sth. else: namely there practically are no Orthodox Greeks left there (the only Orthodoxes there being Albanian-speaking Italians, descendants of Albanians who left in 14-15th. century after the Turkish invazion), all the others are Catholics (and Italians - unlike the Greek minority in Albania, which remained always Greek and Orthodox in that unfriendly and backwards country). Any explanation?

So far, Albania recognizes national minorities in its territory and is obbliged to fulfill every European standard in matter of minorities. What about Greece, caring so much about 'homogeneous' nationals (this term sounds so racist in Europe today) abroad and denying minorities in its own territory?