Tadić at UN General Assembly

The diplomatic effort continues - Serbia is ensuring that the true message is being heard. Only through a negotiated compromise that respects international norms and laws will reconciliation and economic development occur for Serbia's province, the whole state and the region as a whole. Supervised autonomy is the optimal solution that is clearly being forged as a "European" solution and ticks a great deal of the elements of a negotiated compromise.

Mr. Tadic we apology but Kosovo’s people (at least 95% of them) doesn’t want You to advocate any other suggestion but independence. In other words; they would like to manage with their own lives, avoiding once for ever the possibility to be “awarded” with level of democracy in accordance to someone’s else measurement. We understand the President’s objective in persuading the decision-making factors on the level of democracy in Serbia, but we don’t understand the persistence of that policy on the preservation of a land whose people are determined either to leave country or die collectively in case of remaining under the rule of that “democracy”. Maybe I am wrong, but only few days ago the entire world was threaten by Mr. Tadic with a disaster if Kosovo people proclaims independence! Now, I am totally confused. Would someone be kind and explain what’s going on in here.

What a diplomatic approach,Mr Tadic is saying to the world we are different from Milosevic and we want the land of Kosovo we do not need the people of Kosovo,so please support our law of occupation,who cares about human lifes,freedoms we steak with our international law supported by Russia.
International communites know now how Russia and Serbia fight for law of oppresing people if they do not belong to their nation or faith.

When you people mention Great Albania are you trying to draw a paralel with Greater Serbia?
While Greater Serbia means that all the neighboring countries next to Serbia should be assimilated into Great Serbia, Greater Albania only means that traditionally and decisevily Albanian Kosova (95% Albanian population) should be independent. Of course if Kosova's people want to join Albania is up to them and NOT up to Serbia. The 100 year old serb occupation has ended in 1999. Serbs brought it to themselves all by themselves. They got greedy and planned on ethnic clensing to work so they would colonize Kosova with refugees from Bosnia and Croatia.

Sorry, no colonization any more. No ethnic clensing. No military rule. No firing of all Albanian employees like in the 1990's. Instead, keep your colonizers in Serbia-give them jobs and treat them like your own citizens. They deserve better than to live in gymnasiums and other shelters. It is time that Serbia treat other people as well as their people with dignity.

Serbia doesn't need to look any further then the split of Yugoslavia or the pending Kosovo-Macedonia border to understand whether international borders are changeable or not.

John,it is a good question but I'm talking about ex Yugoslavia and people who lived there consisted from different nationalities and faiths,and we know who was the bad guy and who was the good guy.
While Milosevic was trying to occupy evry republic of Yugoslavia with Russia supporting him and his propaganda in the world that he was fighting for what.
By the way ex Yugoslav republics were never atacked by an muslim country.
Your presumtion that I am muslim is wrong.

"International communities know now how Russia and Serbia fight for law of oppressing people if they do not belong to their nation or faith." --Avi

Of course, muslim countries would never do such a thing, would they Avi?

Borders are changeable..made by man, changed by man. Only a matter of time.

If you don't support independence than you are whole heartedly supporting ethnic cleaning.

What do you think will happen if Kosova doesn't get statehood? Do you think all of a sudden new jobs are going to open in Kosova and Kosovars are going to prosper in this post-Milosevic era? You must be joking me.

Funcakes,

Excellent point. But Serbia isn't the only one that is looking at those examples.

That's exactly what the rest of the world sees, and that includes more than 'just' China and Russia. Spain and others have a lot to lose if the Kosovo model is adopted. That's why so many are opposing Kosovo independence.

The last thing the world wants now is a revival of 19th Century nationalist wars. The machine gun + blind nationalism = wholesale slaughter. Chemical and nuclear weapons + blind nationalism = ?

So, good point.

Princip:
“The diplomatic effort continues - Serbia is ensuring that the true message is being heard”

Princip, you touched my heart, - “ the true message is being heard”… I would be very happy to have at least one of them telling the truth to the entire world, even though they all know, and to say:
“Yes, we have killed 12.000 civilians and buried in a mass graves in Kosova and in Serbia as well – out of which we still have some 2500 buried somewhere (missing), we have burnt down all their houses and other property, and we have stolen everything belonged to them, we have forcibly expelled around 1.000.000 to Albania and Macedonia, we have bombed and shot at the civilians all around the Kosova, we blocked them a food and medicines, we have cut them electricity and telephone lines, including mobile phones at the very beginning of the air strakes… “

cizinec, Funcakes

Yes. This issue is much broader then Kosovo. If we breach international law for Kosovo at least some will see it as a precedent.

Funcakes, can't you really understand A LITTLEBIT that Russia and China (and Spain and Turkey and Ira) think: he, my minorities can be next?

By the way: Southern part of Holland was given to Holland thought the people there did not want it. Now they love being in Holland. It takes time. Learn to love each other!

to Ron
I would love to be part of Holland and I probably wouldn't mind to be part of any other western country but Serbia.
Remember that the worst scenario of independent Kosova is way better than any solution or any aoutonomy with Serbia.

Rokka, those 200k Serbs that are now in Belgrade aren't ETHNICALLY CLEANSED. I don't think you know what that word means. Those Kosovar-Serbs chose to run away into Serbia, in no shape or form did Ibrahim Rugova command an army or UCK to run those Serbs to Serbia.

Also yes Kosova will prosper economically with independence. I don't have to provide links for you, ask around.

"If you don't support independence than you are whole heartedly supporting ethnic cleaning."

Like wise, if you support independence you are supporting goals in the Balkan region (greater Albania) and ethnic cleansing for last 80 years...

To Ks:

If you support independence ,you support whole heartedly ethnic cleansing (200000 cleansed serbs, see it works both ways).

And assuming albanians achieve independence, are you implying that there will be all of a sudden jobs for everyone and Kosovo(a)will prosper and corruption disappears? Guess the jokes on you...

Nietzsche,

When will the Turkish occupaton of Kurdistan end? The English occupation of Scotland? The Belgium occupation of German speaking Belgium?

Come on!
If we try to make such 'corrections' there will be a huge number of cases.

It must be stopped. Now! I am glad I live in post-nationalistic Western Europe.

The Kosovar government has the support of the US and most of the EU, which have been repeatedly saying that this situation does not pose a precedent.

Russia and some others might disagree, but it is not up to them whether the Kosovar government announces independence or not, and their only choice is not to recognize this independence...however, with US and most of EU willing to recognize it, Kosovo does not need Russia's or UN's approval.

From the US and EU they can get all the loans and credits they want.

What are they gonna miss if the others don't recognize? Russian caviar? Tzatziki from Greece? Rice from China? Big deal...I don't think the Kosovars are gonna lose any sleep over that.

Some French dipping and American pie is good enough!

Nietzsche,

When will the Turkish occupaton of Kurdistan end? The English occupation of Scotland? The Belgium occupation of German speaking Belgium?

Ron, that I do not know. I know that Serbian occupation of Kosova has ended. I also know that 2 milion Albanians in Kosova would rather die than live in the same state as Serbia. I also know from experience that Serbia can not simply get rid of Albanians. Last this was shown was in 1999.

What a diplomatic approach,Mr Tadic is saying to the world we are different from Milosevic and we want the land of Kosovo we do not need the people of Kosovo,so please support our law of occupation,who cares about human lifes,freedoms we steak with our international law supported by Russia.
International communites know now how Russia and Serbia fight for law of oppresing people if they do not belong to their nation or faith.

Mr. Tadic we apology but Kosovo’s people (at least 95% of them) doesn’t want You to advocate any other suggestion but independence. In other words; they would like to manage with their own lives, avoiding once for ever the possibility to be “awarded” with level of democracy in accordance to someone’s else measurement. We understand the President’s objective in persuading the decision-making factors on the level of democracy in Serbia, but we don’t understand the persistence of that policy on the preservation of a land whose people are determined either to leave country or die collectively in case of remaining under the rule of that “democracy”. Maybe I am wrong, but only few days ago the entire world was threaten by Mr. Tadic with a disaster if Kosovo people proclaims independence! Now, I am totally confused. Would someone be kind and explain what’s going on in here.

The diplomatic effort continues - Serbia is ensuring that the true message is being heard. Only through a negotiated compromise that respects international norms and laws will reconciliation and economic development occur for Serbia's province, the whole state and the region as a whole. Supervised autonomy is the optimal solution that is clearly being forged as a "European" solution and ticks a great deal of the elements of a negotiated compromise.

Serbia doesn't need to look any further then the split of Yugoslavia or the pending Kosovo-Macedonia border to understand whether international borders are changeable or not.

cizinec, Funcakes

Yes. This issue is much broader then Kosovo. If we breach international law for Kosovo at least some will see it as a precedent.

Funcakes, can't you really understand A LITTLEBIT that Russia and China (and Spain and Turkey and Ira) think: he, my minorities can be next?

By the way: Southern part of Holland was given to Holland thought the people there did not want it. Now they love being in Holland. It takes time. Learn to love each other!

"International communities know now how Russia and Serbia fight for law of oppressing people if they do not belong to their nation or faith." --Avi

Of course, muslim countries would never do such a thing, would they Avi?

Princip:
“The diplomatic effort continues - Serbia is ensuring that the true message is being heard”

Princip, you touched my heart, - “ the true message is being heard”… I would be very happy to have at least one of them telling the truth to the entire world, even though they all know, and to say:
“Yes, we have killed 12.000 civilians and buried in a mass graves in Kosova and in Serbia as well – out of which we still have some 2500 buried somewhere (missing), we have burnt down all their houses and other property, and we have stolen everything belonged to them, we have forcibly expelled around 1.000.000 to Albania and Macedonia, we have bombed and shot at the civilians all around the Kosova, we blocked them a food and medicines, we have cut them electricity and telephone lines, including mobile phones at the very beginning of the air strakes… “

Borders are changeable..made by man, changed by man. Only a matter of time.

If you don't support independence than you are whole heartedly supporting ethnic cleaning.

What do you think will happen if Kosova doesn't get statehood? Do you think all of a sudden new jobs are going to open in Kosova and Kosovars are going to prosper in this post-Milosevic era? You must be joking me.

Funcakes,

Excellent point. But Serbia isn't the only one that is looking at those examples.

That's exactly what the rest of the world sees, and that includes more than 'just' China and Russia. Spain and others have a lot to lose if the Kosovo model is adopted. That's why so many are opposing Kosovo independence.

The last thing the world wants now is a revival of 19th Century nationalist wars. The machine gun + blind nationalism = wholesale slaughter. Chemical and nuclear weapons + blind nationalism = ?

So, good point.

John,it is a good question but I'm talking about ex Yugoslavia and people who lived there consisted from different nationalities and faiths,and we know who was the bad guy and who was the good guy.
While Milosevic was trying to occupy evry republic of Yugoslavia with Russia supporting him and his propaganda in the world that he was fighting for what.
By the way ex Yugoslav republics were never atacked by an muslim country.
Your presumtion that I am muslim is wrong.

to Ron
I would love to be part of Holland and I probably wouldn't mind to be part of any other western country but Serbia.
Remember that the worst scenario of independent Kosova is way better than any solution or any aoutonomy with Serbia.

"If you don't support independence than you are whole heartedly supporting ethnic cleaning."

Like wise, if you support independence you are supporting goals in the Balkan region (greater Albania) and ethnic cleansing for last 80 years...

When you people mention Great Albania are you trying to draw a paralel with Greater Serbia?
While Greater Serbia means that all the neighboring countries next to Serbia should be assimilated into Great Serbia, Greater Albania only means that traditionally and decisevily Albanian Kosova (95% Albanian population) should be independent. Of course if Kosova's people want to join Albania is up to them and NOT up to Serbia. The 100 year old serb occupation has ended in 1999. Serbs brought it to themselves all by themselves. They got greedy and planned on ethnic clensing to work so they would colonize Kosova with refugees from Bosnia and Croatia.

Sorry, no colonization any more. No ethnic clensing. No military rule. No firing of all Albanian employees like in the 1990's. Instead, keep your colonizers in Serbia-give them jobs and treat them like your own citizens. They deserve better than to live in gymnasiums and other shelters. It is time that Serbia treat other people as well as their people with dignity.

To Ks:

If you support independence ,you support whole heartedly ethnic cleansing (200000 cleansed serbs, see it works both ways).

And assuming albanians achieve independence, are you implying that there will be all of a sudden jobs for everyone and Kosovo(a)will prosper and corruption disappears? Guess the jokes on you...

Nietzsche,

When will the Turkish occupaton of Kurdistan end? The English occupation of Scotland? The Belgium occupation of German speaking Belgium?

Come on!
If we try to make such 'corrections' there will be a huge number of cases.

It must be stopped. Now! I am glad I live in post-nationalistic Western Europe.

The Kosovar government has the support of the US and most of the EU, which have been repeatedly saying that this situation does not pose a precedent.

Russia and some others might disagree, but it is not up to them whether the Kosovar government announces independence or not, and their only choice is not to recognize this independence...however, with US and most of EU willing to recognize it, Kosovo does not need Russia's or UN's approval.

From the US and EU they can get all the loans and credits they want.

What are they gonna miss if the others don't recognize? Russian caviar? Tzatziki from Greece? Rice from China? Big deal...I don't think the Kosovars are gonna lose any sleep over that.

Some French dipping and American pie is good enough!

Rokka, those 200k Serbs that are now in Belgrade aren't ETHNICALLY CLEANSED. I don't think you know what that word means. Those Kosovar-Serbs chose to run away into Serbia, in no shape or form did Ibrahim Rugova command an army or UCK to run those Serbs to Serbia.

Also yes Kosova will prosper economically with independence. I don't have to provide links for you, ask around.

Nietzsche,

When will the Turkish occupaton of Kurdistan end? The English occupation of Scotland? The Belgium occupation of German speaking Belgium?

Ron, that I do not know. I know that Serbian occupation of Kosova has ended. I also know that 2 milion Albanians in Kosova would rather die than live in the same state as Serbia. I also know from experience that Serbia can not simply get rid of Albanians. Last this was shown was in 1999.