"Direct negotiations are vital"

The writing of this proposal must have taken some serious thinking in Belgrade.
“Our suggestion means decentralization”. Now that is brain wave of some sort.
The only thing left now is for Mr Bogdanovic to work on his power point presentation. I think that would impress the Albanians and really do the trick.

Pandeli said >> "Albanians want union with Albania,"

Then move to Albania. And stop making a nuisance to yourself, Serbia and the world.

It would take a genious to come up with such a proposal. I have to applaud to the Serbian negotiation team. They have spent real efforts and energy for this deal. Itlooks that they have adopted Ahtisari deal.
This is pathethic. They would be willing to disscus what liberties they are ready to grant us to live our lives. And the hipocrisy of all this is the fact that Kosovo gvmnt, as I write this, is working on preparing laws to be adopted by the end of November by Kosovo assembly. And among other laws to be passed is decentralization according to Ahtissari packet.
And they are ready to let us govern ourselves within the province. How generous.
There is only one thing I can say to this and that is:
TAKE A HIKE and make sure you don't come back.

Then move to Albania. And stop making a nuisance to yourself, Serbia and the world.
(Canadian, 23. September 2007 13:02)


Well, technically and logically is easier if Kosova becomes independent and the remaining serbs move northward.

Independence is the compromise.

The 120 day delay was not made for Serbia and Kosovo to discuss independence. It was simply the last chance for EU to get it together and recognize independence as a whole.

The only matter the Albanians will be willing to discuss is the Friendship Treaty between the country of Kosovo and the country of Serbia.

Anything else will fall in deaf ears.

The "EU" want both parties to come forward with new ways of thinking and Serbia is going to these talks with that in mind. Lets hope the Serbian Albanian local leadership in Serbia's southern province can be just as accomodating in moving these "negotiation" talks forward. The fact that the Serbian Albanians will attend the "negotiations" implies they realise the need to find a compromise and continued opportunities for full reconciliation of all Serbian citizens. Step by step.

# Then move to Albania. And stop making a nuisance to yourself, Serbia and the world.
(Canadian, 23. September 2007 13:02)


Well, technically and logically is easier if Kosova becomes independent and the remaining serbs move northward.
(Alban, 23. September 2007 15:27)

Easier does matter. What matters is the law. And it tells you already have a country. You dont like your own country thats tought. Cant try to take a piece from someone elses. No independence, no partition, no violence.

What Mr. Bogdanović failed to elaborate is , as follows: " who is going to guard the borders of Koosva with its neighbors, such as; Albania, Montenegro, Macedoni and Serbia? For sure is not going to be Serbian border police and serbian Customs. It will be only Kosova border and Customs officials. Som how he has sovrenity over Kosova?", I am dying to know.

“The essential autonomy is our maximum offer”
“Our offer in practice will surely lead to stability and peace in the entire region”

He must be kidding! Or, he doesn’t understand their position in this situation! Firstly: did he ask himself are they in a position to “offer” anything? Secondly: can he explain how will this so called “essential autonomy” lead to stability? How can he guaranty that?

Nice try Mr. BUT NO THANKS, we simply do not want to sign any contract with you, as everyone knows that for a contract to be signed, firstly a two sided good will need to exist, what in this case is missing, and of course NO DEAL.
I will clarify the position of the Serb side: INDEPENDENCE - TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT. In one or another way – as I said earlier in my comments – regardless of the consequences, as the worst scenario in an independent Kosova is better than the best scenario in an Kosova inside Serb borders again.

Albanians want union with Albania, and you offer remaining of Kosovo within Serbia? What a good compromise.

A possible step in the right direction, question is will the Albanian side respond?

Bogdanovic said: "We will show the Albanian side how we see the future status of Kosovo...". Serbia showed Albanians how it sees the future of Kosova in 1998/99 by trying to cleanse it of Albanians. Thanks, but no thanks. Kosova will continue its path to EU alone!

Well, why don't the Serbs in the Bosnia and Montenegro and Vojvodina and Kosovo move to Serbia, since they also technically have a country?!

What is this I have noticed...every time a nationalist Serb launches an argument, they immediately contradict themselves.

And in the end, it's what lost them Kosovo. Their only weapon so far has been to threaten other countries into stalling things.

With their credibility razed to the ground, these "autonomy" solutions just sound as a plot to ruin more lives to the ears of the Albanians and the West.

"Easier does matter. What matters is the law."-cvele

Funny how Serbs like to forget how Serbia forgets the "LAW" when it pertains to their ethnic cleansings in KosovA but likes to remind all when it comes to civilized "negotiations" with those people they tried to wipe off the face of the earth.

"And it tells you already have a country. You dont like your own country thats tought. Cant try to take a piece from someone elses."-cvele.

It's not your country, nor your land..by LAW, you lost Kosova when you showed the world you forced out 1 mil. of Yugo citizens and murdered 10,000 more. This is now how you rule over your citizens.

the aggressive or let´s rather say nervous undertone in those albanian comments says it all...

they fear a serbian proposal, that cannot be refused, just like in the godfather... but only with the difference that in this "play" the force won´t come from the godfather but from the european union.

let´s see what future brings!

Funcakes,

You surely are funny :) In what way independence is a compromise?

Wait, I will take a plane to China tomorrow, with you! And we well tell the Chinese to accept a compromise over Tibeb. Being: independence.

I fly from Amsterdam. Where we will meet up?

Serbia you do not need these people in your country/partition is the only way forward otherwise greater Albania will become a reality and impact on Bosnia and even as far as the Basques of Spain.

Princip,
In a few months when kosovo is officially independent, will you agree to refer to the Serbs of Kosovo as "Albanian Serbs". To be consistent you must since you currently refer, in your post #9 above, to the Albanians of Kosovo as "Serbian Albanians".

Serbia and serbs respect international law? Since when?
UNMIK passport should be recognized by Serbia, but instead Serbia doesn't recognize that there is such a presence in Kosova such as UNMIK or KFOR. Serbia clearly breaks international law by refusing to cooperate to hand out INTERNATIONALLY wanted criminals.

kosova could only ONLY ONLY remain part of serbia if the albanians were given 20% or more of the serbian govt since they are 20 % of the population . that is what was offered to the minorities in kosova from the albanians

Then move to Albania. And stop making a nuisance to yourself, Serbia and the world.
(Canadian, 23. September 2007 13:02)
How about moving to Canada?

"kosova could only ONLY ONLY remain part of serbia if the albanians were given 20% or more of the serbian govt since they are 20 % of the population "

I agree absolutley, that is what should be done. Full autonomy along with 20% of seats in the Serbian parliament reserved for the K-Albanians and 20% of government seats. I proposed this before on this forum not so long ago. I believe that if Belgrade is serious about keeping Kosovo and re-incorporating their Albanian compatriots into mainstream Serbian society it will propose this towards the end of the talks which will outflank the seperatists in Pristina.

Everybody wins either way. Full agreement, economic and political stability and fastrack to EU membership.

To Niall O'Doherty:

Sir, I would agree with you in principle. I am not sure that this will break the deadlock. Either way, the lack of such proposals from Serbian government shows that Serbia doesn't have any honest intent to integrate K-Albanians into Serbian society. Unfortunately in Serbian mindset, as I have mentioned in a different posting, the Albanians are considered "the occupiers" of their land and such are destined to live like third-class citizens and bowed to the Serbian rule. Serbian government had many occasions throughout the past 8-9 years to show its good intention (if there was one). I was present at the Jeremic lecture in Harvard last Friday and when some one asked, what has Serbia done to reconcile with Albanian population in Kosovo, Jeremic answer was simply that the this whole mess was Milosevic's fault. He avoided the answer by adding that the apology has to be reciprocal. However we all know that President Tadic went and paid respect to Srebenica victims and he offered Croatia an apology in the names of serbian people. With this attitude Serbian government has completely alleniated Albanian population of Kosovo and thus there is no chance that K-Albanians will ever trust Serbia's political elite. To anyone, this is the problem with failed negotiations. Some people still say that prolonging negotiations will bear a compromise. This is like saying that by refusing to pay the credit cards, the debt will go away. On the contrary it will become harder to pay it.

JoJo Davis,

There will be no UNSC resolution so no official independence. And you know that!


20% Albanians in the Serb government: YES!

YES! For sure. Live together, work together, party together. Serb, Albanese! Welcome in Europe!

What Mr. Bogdanović failed to elaborate is , as follows: " who is going to guard the borders of Koosva with its neighbors, such as; Albania, Montenegro, Macedoni and Serbia? For sure is not going to be Serbian border police and serbian Customs. It will be only Kosova border and Customs officials. Som how he has sovrenity over Kosova?", I am dying to know.

It would take a genious to come up with such a proposal. I have to applaud to the Serbian negotiation team. They have spent real efforts and energy for this deal. Itlooks that they have adopted Ahtisari deal.
This is pathethic. They would be willing to disscus what liberties they are ready to grant us to live our lives. And the hipocrisy of all this is the fact that Kosovo gvmnt, as I write this, is working on preparing laws to be adopted by the end of November by Kosovo assembly. And among other laws to be passed is decentralization according to Ahtissari packet.
And they are ready to let us govern ourselves within the province. How generous.
There is only one thing I can say to this and that is:
TAKE A HIKE and make sure you don't come back.

Pandeli said >> "Albanians want union with Albania,"

Then move to Albania. And stop making a nuisance to yourself, Serbia and the world.

“The essential autonomy is our maximum offer”
“Our offer in practice will surely lead to stability and peace in the entire region”

He must be kidding! Or, he doesn’t understand their position in this situation! Firstly: did he ask himself are they in a position to “offer” anything? Secondly: can he explain how will this so called “essential autonomy” lead to stability? How can he guaranty that?

Nice try Mr. BUT NO THANKS, we simply do not want to sign any contract with you, as everyone knows that for a contract to be signed, firstly a two sided good will need to exist, what in this case is missing, and of course NO DEAL.
I will clarify the position of the Serb side: INDEPENDENCE - TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT. In one or another way – as I said earlier in my comments – regardless of the consequences, as the worst scenario in an independent Kosova is better than the best scenario in an Kosova inside Serb borders again.

Bogdanovic said: "We will show the Albanian side how we see the future status of Kosovo...". Serbia showed Albanians how it sees the future of Kosova in 1998/99 by trying to cleanse it of Albanians. Thanks, but no thanks. Kosova will continue its path to EU alone!

The writing of this proposal must have taken some serious thinking in Belgrade.
“Our suggestion means decentralization”. Now that is brain wave of some sort.
The only thing left now is for Mr Bogdanovic to work on his power point presentation. I think that would impress the Albanians and really do the trick.

Independence is the compromise.

The 120 day delay was not made for Serbia and Kosovo to discuss independence. It was simply the last chance for EU to get it together and recognize independence as a whole.

The only matter the Albanians will be willing to discuss is the Friendship Treaty between the country of Kosovo and the country of Serbia.

Anything else will fall in deaf ears.

Albanians want union with Albania, and you offer remaining of Kosovo within Serbia? What a good compromise.

Then move to Albania. And stop making a nuisance to yourself, Serbia and the world.
(Canadian, 23. September 2007 13:02)


Well, technically and logically is easier if Kosova becomes independent and the remaining serbs move northward.

Serbia you do not need these people in your country/partition is the only way forward otherwise greater Albania will become a reality and impact on Bosnia and even as far as the Basques of Spain.

The "EU" want both parties to come forward with new ways of thinking and Serbia is going to these talks with that in mind. Lets hope the Serbian Albanian local leadership in Serbia's southern province can be just as accomodating in moving these "negotiation" talks forward. The fact that the Serbian Albanians will attend the "negotiations" implies they realise the need to find a compromise and continued opportunities for full reconciliation of all Serbian citizens. Step by step.

"Easier does matter. What matters is the law."-cvele

Funny how Serbs like to forget how Serbia forgets the "LAW" when it pertains to their ethnic cleansings in KosovA but likes to remind all when it comes to civilized "negotiations" with those people they tried to wipe off the face of the earth.

"And it tells you already have a country. You dont like your own country thats tought. Cant try to take a piece from someone elses."-cvele.

It's not your country, nor your land..by LAW, you lost Kosova when you showed the world you forced out 1 mil. of Yugo citizens and murdered 10,000 more. This is now how you rule over your citizens.

Well, why don't the Serbs in the Bosnia and Montenegro and Vojvodina and Kosovo move to Serbia, since they also technically have a country?!

What is this I have noticed...every time a nationalist Serb launches an argument, they immediately contradict themselves.

And in the end, it's what lost them Kosovo. Their only weapon so far has been to threaten other countries into stalling things.

With their credibility razed to the ground, these "autonomy" solutions just sound as a plot to ruin more lives to the ears of the Albanians and the West.

# Then move to Albania. And stop making a nuisance to yourself, Serbia and the world.
(Canadian, 23. September 2007 13:02)


Well, technically and logically is easier if Kosova becomes independent and the remaining serbs move northward.
(Alban, 23. September 2007 15:27)

Easier does matter. What matters is the law. And it tells you already have a country. You dont like your own country thats tought. Cant try to take a piece from someone elses. No independence, no partition, no violence.

the aggressive or let´s rather say nervous undertone in those albanian comments says it all...

they fear a serbian proposal, that cannot be refused, just like in the godfather... but only with the difference that in this "play" the force won´t come from the godfather but from the european union.

let´s see what future brings!

Funcakes,

You surely are funny :) In what way independence is a compromise?

Wait, I will take a plane to China tomorrow, with you! And we well tell the Chinese to accept a compromise over Tibeb. Being: independence.

I fly from Amsterdam. Where we will meet up?

Princip,
In a few months when kosovo is officially independent, will you agree to refer to the Serbs of Kosovo as "Albanian Serbs". To be consistent you must since you currently refer, in your post #9 above, to the Albanians of Kosovo as "Serbian Albanians".

Serbia and serbs respect international law? Since when?
UNMIK passport should be recognized by Serbia, but instead Serbia doesn't recognize that there is such a presence in Kosova such as UNMIK or KFOR. Serbia clearly breaks international law by refusing to cooperate to hand out INTERNATIONALLY wanted criminals.

Then move to Albania. And stop making a nuisance to yourself, Serbia and the world.
(Canadian, 23. September 2007 13:02)
How about moving to Canada?

A possible step in the right direction, question is will the Albanian side respond?

kosova could only ONLY ONLY remain part of serbia if the albanians were given 20% or more of the serbian govt since they are 20 % of the population . that is what was offered to the minorities in kosova from the albanians

"kosova could only ONLY ONLY remain part of serbia if the albanians were given 20% or more of the serbian govt since they are 20 % of the population "

I agree absolutley, that is what should be done. Full autonomy along with 20% of seats in the Serbian parliament reserved for the K-Albanians and 20% of government seats. I proposed this before on this forum not so long ago. I believe that if Belgrade is serious about keeping Kosovo and re-incorporating their Albanian compatriots into mainstream Serbian society it will propose this towards the end of the talks which will outflank the seperatists in Pristina.

Everybody wins either way. Full agreement, economic and political stability and fastrack to EU membership.

To Niall O'Doherty:

Sir, I would agree with you in principle. I am not sure that this will break the deadlock. Either way, the lack of such proposals from Serbian government shows that Serbia doesn't have any honest intent to integrate K-Albanians into Serbian society. Unfortunately in Serbian mindset, as I have mentioned in a different posting, the Albanians are considered "the occupiers" of their land and such are destined to live like third-class citizens and bowed to the Serbian rule. Serbian government had many occasions throughout the past 8-9 years to show its good intention (if there was one). I was present at the Jeremic lecture in Harvard last Friday and when some one asked, what has Serbia done to reconcile with Albanian population in Kosovo, Jeremic answer was simply that the this whole mess was Milosevic's fault. He avoided the answer by adding that the apology has to be reciprocal. However we all know that President Tadic went and paid respect to Srebenica victims and he offered Croatia an apology in the names of serbian people. With this attitude Serbian government has completely alleniated Albanian population of Kosovo and thus there is no chance that K-Albanians will ever trust Serbia's political elite. To anyone, this is the problem with failed negotiations. Some people still say that prolonging negotiations will bear a compromise. This is like saying that by refusing to pay the credit cards, the debt will go away. On the contrary it will become harder to pay it.

JoJo Davis,

There will be no UNSC resolution so no official independence. And you know that!


20% Albanians in the Serb government: YES!

YES! For sure. Live together, work together, party together. Serb, Albanese! Welcome in Europe!