Kouchner says U.S. support over Kosovo "crucial"

I was not going to comment, but I saw that my country - Germany is being mentioned here. Germany for sure supports Ahtisaari's plan, and we believe here that the most sustainable solution is supervised Independence. We suggest that Serbia rather focuses in EU integration. My dear fellow Serbs, how do you imagine entering Kosovo? There are 2 mil. ethnic Albanians living there, if nothing they will at least fight you by throwing stones, nevertheless our Leopard's 2 are there just in case you think entering Kosovo with Serbian army.
Let me make one thing clear, Kosovo already had autonomy, but you took it, so do you think that international community will let that happen so you can give and take autonomy whenever you want? Absolutely not!
And why on earth do you think Germany will support Serbia? Anyways we never had any good links, don’t forget what our ambassador said not long ago in Belgrade regarding Vojvodina!

Dein freund,
Rudolf

Cvele you are talking like majority of EU countries support Serbia, especially adding Germany to that imaginary list proves your optimistic view of international political scene you have
Cvele its OK to be mad

Keep dreaming. All that alban money seems to be comforting but without UN, EU unity over unilateral actions is ridiculous to say the least. French had no influence in the past 200 years and they will do what the Germans in the end say. As for the US we are glad you want to place some of the blame on them. but Kosovo is not and will not be EU problem. Because then Georgia is a Russian problem and South Korea is Chinese.

Kouchner:
“I would like to point out how much we [the EU] are counting on the U.S. support for our European solution."
That means talking real.
Asking for China's help to solve the issue means Desperation. It is e European issue and it will be solved with the support of the USA who has invested and it is still investing so much for the region.

"Solve" Kosovo and open up dozens of conflicts around the globe.

No thanks!

By the way, when will this person from France offer Basque full independence.

Supervising Kosovo is OK (yes, EA and others, we agree about that). But in the legal framework of Serbia.

Translated from Diplomatese to plain English, Kouchner's statement reads something like this.

"Condy, you know that i have supported KLA terrorists in the past and I still do, you can count on me. But please understand my position. Half of EU countries will not follow if you recognize Kosovo. Me and several other perhaps will but joint EU foreign policy will go up in smoke and we will be blamed. Those Germans are cooperating closely with Moscow and they are winning, one way or another. I am burned if I follow you."

With Kosovo, he supports wrong cause, with wrong arguments.

His actions only further diminish French influence in the world.

Rudolf,

Will your country Germany also support independence for the Danish people in Northern Germany and the Sorbs in the former DDR?

Will Germany fight for an independent Kurdistan?

Also: Germany is not to deploy troops outside its own borders only if there is backing of the UN. And there is not. Forturnately.

I am your neighbour. I am from Holland :) But I hope your country will not open Pandora's Box! No new borders. Your country know what that means. Stop the madness!

Kouchner is not the one, to be taken serious on that issue,... he took an albanian girl with him when he left KiM, so whatever he says, it is not really objective.

but if he is begging the US for not letting europe look very stupid... then, my dear Albanians...you can be sure that there is certainly no unity among the EU-member-states...

and so you can kiss it goodbye...

the illegal dream will stay - a dream.

How about that for a French kiss. I bet Serbians are dying of jealousy. Maybe they can compensate by kissing the Chinese guy.

Kouchner talkas about a war with Iran.

Check out Iran:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Iran_ethnoreligious_distribution_2004.jpg

What will we say to the Azeris and Kurds in Iran?

You must stay in Iran. But yes, the Kosovars can have their own state? Because of...

Yes, because of what?

* International law? Nope!
* UNSC resolution? There is none!
* Atrocities? Well, read the history of the Kurds!
* 'Motherland' agrees? Serbia does not!

STOP THE MADNESS!

And by the way: I really don't want a EU of 50+ nations. We really don't need Kosovo, Northern Ireland, Danish Germany, Sorbia (!), French Spain, Spanish France, Austrian Italy, Hungarians in Romnania, Germans in Belgium, Dutch (!) in France, Scotland, Wales, Swedish Finland, South Sweden (originally Danish!), ....
NOPE! Stop it now!!

Rudolf,

It seems that You have forgotten what Bismarck advised regarding Balkans.
Both Kaiser and Hitler disregarded this advice and left much more than the bones of one Pomeranian grenadier.
Mrs. Merkel obviously has not.
With politicians, you watch what they do, not what they say. You mentioned your Ambassador to Belgrade , His Excellency Zobel. He seemingly jeopardized his career and provided strategic information to Serbian government-Serbia will be admitted into EU perhaps in 20 years from now. All talk about quick admission is without substance.

Serbian Government sent a protest note, but the point was well taken.

Do you sincerely think that career diplomat of Zobel's caliber can say something like this without the tacit approval from above? Think again. Diplomats are the most expensive mailmen but they always deliver the message.

Look on the map. There are two
planned energy lines leading to Germany. Northern, from Russia to Germany under North Sea (thus bypassing Poland) and southern, through Serbia.

What do you think, what is German strategic interest? Why
it bypasses Poland?

Because of that, your advice that Serbia should concentrate on EU admission and not on her
territorial integrity is somewhat off mark. In twenty years, anything can happen. Twenty years ago, Germany was divided and Soviet Union united. Thousand years Reich was not planned to last only 12.

Kosovo province belong to Serbia and it really does not matter whether there are 1.3M, 2 million or 5 million Albanians living there. There can be 2 or 5 million Turks living in Germany, but
Nordrhein-Westfalen will remain German province, even if all 2 million Turks decide to move there.

Serbia has no need to fight Kosovo Albanians. If they decide to make another Kuzey Kibris, let it be, it does not change the ownership. Once they understand where it leads, they will change their mind. In 50 years, or 250, it really does not matter. Serbia waited 450 years to liberate Kosovo, so time regarding Kosovo is measured with different yardstick.

I also advise that you consult serious history textbooks. Bad relations are actually only in the 20th century, because Serbia changed team and started playing for the Atlantists. It had disastrous result for both Serbs and Germans.

Speaking of Kosovo autonomy, it was suspended by Federal Yugoslavia, not Serbia. It was suspended because IMF requested it. Albanian communists were undermining Yugoslav debt servicing. Kosovo under Albanian communists was a black hole, as it is now. Do you think that is in German interest to pour money into the Serbian money pit when you have a money pit of your own in the East?

Bob

I hope that the USA's weight and might can resolve this crisis in the Balkans. They did in 1999 when they ordered Milosevic's troops to leave Kosovo, and they will succeed again this year by presenting to Kosovo's people their independence on a silver plate.

I must say that Mr Kouchner’s experience in politics will show you all once more that he is right. The U.S. support over Kosovo is "crucial".

Kosovo is already independent. That is a goal set and achieved since 1999 from NATO. The world is just waiting for Serbians to chill down and realize it. The rest is just politics that in this case means "work done by politicians to justify their salaries and sidekicks".

Our comments are nothing but autumn leaves...falling and dying. By the way, I just lost another 5 minutes of my precious life writing this...and you lost another 5 reading it. These are the real facts we should really care about.

Ron,
There is no sense in asking Rudolf about danish people in Germany.
There wasn't Germany that took away the rights of danish people over there to live decently. There was Serbia who deprived all living rights of kosovar albanians even most elementary rights and then this maddness has been followed by ethnic cleansing of over a million kosovars in 1999.
That is why the Kosovo is "sui generis"
Many Thanks
Bujar

Hard times to be a Serb.
Most of you that are Serb camp don't even know the difference between a "state" and a "State".


Rep of Kosova is coming very soon. Get out your visas my dear Serbs if you want to visit this place.

"Europe’s credibility is at stake with respect to the process of the stabilization of the Balkans, and to our identity as a union open to embrace the Balkans,” said Kouchner"

My dear Kouchner, before you begin your lofty goal of embracing the Balkans, you should first ensure that the EU does not fall apart before that. As I understand it, Belgium is facing a parliamentary crisis that could tear up the country -- the Flemings and Wallonians splitting up into separate nations. Will Felmingia and Wallonia still be EU members? What about their capital (and EU's too) Brussels? Or maybe your France has eyes on annexing Wallonia with its predominant French ethnicity .... the same way you now occupied Surinam, Caledonia, Guiana etc .... but do learn from history will you? Remember your crushing defeat in Indochina (Dien Bien Phu in 1956), remember how the Algerians kicked you out. And more recently, your threat to go to war with Iran, an idea your government has since distanced itself from ....

Albanians
Germany on our imaginary list? Ischinger has clearly stated his position and that is of NO independence without the UN. No UN without Russia. So all the noise from Washington is just that... faint noise. An echo. You will get independence... within Serbia. Called autonomy. :)

Bujar,

Sui generis?

Kurds in Iraq? GAS ATTACKS! You remember.

Tibet, China: millions (!) of people died!

If Kosovo then FOR SURE Kurdistan and Tibet.

Guys, wish you all the best. Glad I live in Western Europe. Get a life! But not on my expense please!
I paid taxes for the 1999 intervention to stop the violence. NOT FOR THE CREATION OF A NEW STATE!!

I paid taxes for the 1999 intervention to stop the violence. NOT FOR THE CREATION OF A NEW STATE!!
(Ron, 23. September 2007 20:26)


With an estimated annual budget of $1.56 billion, the U.S. shouldered about 29% of NATO's operating budget in 1999, or about $452 million. Each of the member nations pays into NATO based on its
gross domestic product, making the U.S. the biggest single contributor.

FIRST OF all, stop trying to act like you're from the west and blah blah bc deep down you are a Serb..the end. Also what taxes did you pay? My country did most of the bombing and paid the most. Where does your country stand in the money-contribution--is it in the position of 29?


The final outcome (Ahtisaari Plan) calls for supervised independence...no where does it say "create a new state." Get your facts straight and stop spreading propaganda.

To Ron,
Just to remind you that your country had a very "good" experience with serbs in Bosnia,..., You sure you are from Holland?..., and by the way Idon't know even if you yourself understand what you were tring to comment, but at least you tried your best.

Thanks B92/eng

To Ron and Cvele,
C'mon guys, after all it is only Western countries that are supporting us. If you keep up throwing tantrums like this, you might get heartburn (not that I care, really).
I will say this to you both: Just because people like you there has been so much pain and suffering throughout history. You will present your "arguments" but will disregard what others have to say about it, or god forbid, accept other people's arguments.
You wouldn't be so cocky if you were slightly logical creatures.
You guys always bring up unresolved conflicts from around the world and have the courage to criticize USA and NATO for the ongoing war against terrorism. If you had the slightest clue what and why they are waging war against terrorists you would support them vehemently, but that, of course is not expected from you.
You have guts to criticize Germany, France, UK the countries who helped Serbia get where it is today. Well guys just go ahead and suit yourself, but you will realize very soon how "important" YOU and your country is. Until then, enjoy.

Last time I saw a picture of Kouchner kissing some old Albanian dude. Glad I'm not conducting any negotiations with him. Anyway, his words are the same chirpping he's been doing for years, a bit softer I must say but, he's been pro-Alban from the start. This is not news, is it?

Bob Petrovich,
In your post #13 to Rudolf, you recommended he read some "serious" history books.
Would you please enlighten the rest of us by giving us a reading list, stating the name of the textbooks and their authors. Your help would be much appreciated.

Thank you

KS,

Why dont you and the other Albanians on here answer Ron's question. If Kosovo is sui generis, why not Tibet, Kurdistan, indeed Palestine Banda Aceh, West Papua, Northern Cyprus, Basque Region, Corsica, Moslem southern Phillipines, Kashmir and Tamil Eelam to name but a few?

Niall O'Doherty,

Exactly. Why Kosovo and not Kurdistan. Please answer.

KS,

I am sorry but I am really from Holland. I was born there. My parents are from Holland. Their parents were from Holland...

But most of all: I am a human being.
Borders are just man-made creations. Stop the nonsense. Welcome in a free, open Europe!
KS, you may hate me, but I love you.

Mr Michael John,

I can sense the irony in your tone and it is not warranted. Rudolf claimed that Serbia and Germany never had good relations, which is simply not true. He also claimed that Serbs took Kosovo autonomy, which is not true either. Such misconceptions are often created by reading pseudohistrorical pamphlets made to support current political agenda and not checking the facts.

Since you are eager to learn, You may start with History of the Byzantine State By George Ostrogorsky, page 405 (refuting the claim that Serbia and Germnay never had "good links"), continue through any history textbook written prior 1990 attitude and if in doubt, follow the money, i.e. autonomy was removed to allow the Yugoslav government to implement IMF structural adjustment reforms. Check Susan Woodward's Balkan Tragedy.

There is no excuse for claiming something that is not based on the facts.

I myself find it odd that almost all interlocutors who support illegal independence of Kosovo regularly resort to posting lies, semitruths and falsities to support their claim. The quality of their arguments says volumes about their cause.

Keep dreaming. All that alban money seems to be comforting but without UN, EU unity over unilateral actions is ridiculous to say the least. French had no influence in the past 200 years and they will do what the Germans in the end say. As for the US we are glad you want to place some of the blame on them. but Kosovo is not and will not be EU problem. Because then Georgia is a Russian problem and South Korea is Chinese.

I was not going to comment, but I saw that my country - Germany is being mentioned here. Germany for sure supports Ahtisaari's plan, and we believe here that the most sustainable solution is supervised Independence. We suggest that Serbia rather focuses in EU integration. My dear fellow Serbs, how do you imagine entering Kosovo? There are 2 mil. ethnic Albanians living there, if nothing they will at least fight you by throwing stones, nevertheless our Leopard's 2 are there just in case you think entering Kosovo with Serbian army.
Let me make one thing clear, Kosovo already had autonomy, but you took it, so do you think that international community will let that happen so you can give and take autonomy whenever you want? Absolutely not!
And why on earth do you think Germany will support Serbia? Anyways we never had any good links, don’t forget what our ambassador said not long ago in Belgrade regarding Vojvodina!

Dein freund,
Rudolf

Cvele you are talking like majority of EU countries support Serbia, especially adding Germany to that imaginary list proves your optimistic view of international political scene you have
Cvele its OK to be mad

How about that for a French kiss. I bet Serbians are dying of jealousy. Maybe they can compensate by kissing the Chinese guy.

Kouchner:
“I would like to point out how much we [the EU] are counting on the U.S. support for our European solution."
That means talking real.
Asking for China's help to solve the issue means Desperation. It is e European issue and it will be solved with the support of the USA who has invested and it is still investing so much for the region.

"Solve" Kosovo and open up dozens of conflicts around the globe.

No thanks!

By the way, when will this person from France offer Basque full independence.

Supervising Kosovo is OK (yes, EA and others, we agree about that). But in the legal framework of Serbia.

I hope that the USA's weight and might can resolve this crisis in the Balkans. They did in 1999 when they ordered Milosevic's troops to leave Kosovo, and they will succeed again this year by presenting to Kosovo's people their independence on a silver plate.

I must say that Mr Kouchner’s experience in politics will show you all once more that he is right. The U.S. support over Kosovo is "crucial".

Kosovo is already independent. That is a goal set and achieved since 1999 from NATO. The world is just waiting for Serbians to chill down and realize it. The rest is just politics that in this case means "work done by politicians to justify their salaries and sidekicks".

Our comments are nothing but autumn leaves...falling and dying. By the way, I just lost another 5 minutes of my precious life writing this...and you lost another 5 reading it. These are the real facts we should really care about.

Hard times to be a Serb.
Most of you that are Serb camp don't even know the difference between a "state" and a "State".


Rep of Kosova is coming very soon. Get out your visas my dear Serbs if you want to visit this place.

To Ron and Cvele,
C'mon guys, after all it is only Western countries that are supporting us. If you keep up throwing tantrums like this, you might get heartburn (not that I care, really).
I will say this to you both: Just because people like you there has been so much pain and suffering throughout history. You will present your "arguments" but will disregard what others have to say about it, or god forbid, accept other people's arguments.
You wouldn't be so cocky if you were slightly logical creatures.
You guys always bring up unresolved conflicts from around the world and have the courage to criticize USA and NATO for the ongoing war against terrorism. If you had the slightest clue what and why they are waging war against terrorists you would support them vehemently, but that, of course is not expected from you.
You have guts to criticize Germany, France, UK the countries who helped Serbia get where it is today. Well guys just go ahead and suit yourself, but you will realize very soon how "important" YOU and your country is. Until then, enjoy.

Ron,
There is no sense in asking Rudolf about danish people in Germany.
There wasn't Germany that took away the rights of danish people over there to live decently. There was Serbia who deprived all living rights of kosovar albanians even most elementary rights and then this maddness has been followed by ethnic cleansing of over a million kosovars in 1999.
That is why the Kosovo is "sui generis"
Many Thanks
Bujar

Translated from Diplomatese to plain English, Kouchner's statement reads something like this.

"Condy, you know that i have supported KLA terrorists in the past and I still do, you can count on me. But please understand my position. Half of EU countries will not follow if you recognize Kosovo. Me and several other perhaps will but joint EU foreign policy will go up in smoke and we will be blamed. Those Germans are cooperating closely with Moscow and they are winning, one way or another. I am burned if I follow you."

With Kosovo, he supports wrong cause, with wrong arguments.

His actions only further diminish French influence in the world.

Kouchner talkas about a war with Iran.

Check out Iran:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Iran_ethnoreligious_distribution_2004.jpg

What will we say to the Azeris and Kurds in Iran?

You must stay in Iran. But yes, the Kosovars can have their own state? Because of...

Yes, because of what?

* International law? Nope!
* UNSC resolution? There is none!
* Atrocities? Well, read the history of the Kurds!
* 'Motherland' agrees? Serbia does not!

STOP THE MADNESS!

And by the way: I really don't want a EU of 50+ nations. We really don't need Kosovo, Northern Ireland, Danish Germany, Sorbia (!), French Spain, Spanish France, Austrian Italy, Hungarians in Romnania, Germans in Belgium, Dutch (!) in France, Scotland, Wales, Swedish Finland, South Sweden (originally Danish!), ....
NOPE! Stop it now!!

To Ron,
Just to remind you that your country had a very "good" experience with serbs in Bosnia,..., You sure you are from Holland?..., and by the way Idon't know even if you yourself understand what you were tring to comment, but at least you tried your best.

Thanks B92/eng

"Europe’s credibility is at stake with respect to the process of the stabilization of the Balkans, and to our identity as a union open to embrace the Balkans,” said Kouchner"

My dear Kouchner, before you begin your lofty goal of embracing the Balkans, you should first ensure that the EU does not fall apart before that. As I understand it, Belgium is facing a parliamentary crisis that could tear up the country -- the Flemings and Wallonians splitting up into separate nations. Will Felmingia and Wallonia still be EU members? What about their capital (and EU's too) Brussels? Or maybe your France has eyes on annexing Wallonia with its predominant French ethnicity .... the same way you now occupied Surinam, Caledonia, Guiana etc .... but do learn from history will you? Remember your crushing defeat in Indochina (Dien Bien Phu in 1956), remember how the Algerians kicked you out. And more recently, your threat to go to war with Iran, an idea your government has since distanced itself from ....

I paid taxes for the 1999 intervention to stop the violence. NOT FOR THE CREATION OF A NEW STATE!!
(Ron, 23. September 2007 20:26)


With an estimated annual budget of $1.56 billion, the U.S. shouldered about 29% of NATO's operating budget in 1999, or about $452 million. Each of the member nations pays into NATO based on its
gross domestic product, making the U.S. the biggest single contributor.

FIRST OF all, stop trying to act like you're from the west and blah blah bc deep down you are a Serb..the end. Also what taxes did you pay? My country did most of the bombing and paid the most. Where does your country stand in the money-contribution--is it in the position of 29?


The final outcome (Ahtisaari Plan) calls for supervised independence...no where does it say "create a new state." Get your facts straight and stop spreading propaganda.

Kouchner is not the one, to be taken serious on that issue,... he took an albanian girl with him when he left KiM, so whatever he says, it is not really objective.

but if he is begging the US for not letting europe look very stupid... then, my dear Albanians...you can be sure that there is certainly no unity among the EU-member-states...

and so you can kiss it goodbye...

the illegal dream will stay - a dream.

Last time I saw a picture of Kouchner kissing some old Albanian dude. Glad I'm not conducting any negotiations with him. Anyway, his words are the same chirpping he's been doing for years, a bit softer I must say but, he's been pro-Alban from the start. This is not news, is it?

Rudolf,

Will your country Germany also support independence for the Danish people in Northern Germany and the Sorbs in the former DDR?

Will Germany fight for an independent Kurdistan?

Also: Germany is not to deploy troops outside its own borders only if there is backing of the UN. And there is not. Forturnately.

I am your neighbour. I am from Holland :) But I hope your country will not open Pandora's Box! No new borders. Your country know what that means. Stop the madness!

Rudolf,

It seems that You have forgotten what Bismarck advised regarding Balkans.
Both Kaiser and Hitler disregarded this advice and left much more than the bones of one Pomeranian grenadier.
Mrs. Merkel obviously has not.
With politicians, you watch what they do, not what they say. You mentioned your Ambassador to Belgrade , His Excellency Zobel. He seemingly jeopardized his career and provided strategic information to Serbian government-Serbia will be admitted into EU perhaps in 20 years from now. All talk about quick admission is without substance.

Serbian Government sent a protest note, but the point was well taken.

Do you sincerely think that career diplomat of Zobel's caliber can say something like this without the tacit approval from above? Think again. Diplomats are the most expensive mailmen but they always deliver the message.

Look on the map. There are two
planned energy lines leading to Germany. Northern, from Russia to Germany under North Sea (thus bypassing Poland) and southern, through Serbia.

What do you think, what is German strategic interest? Why
it bypasses Poland?

Because of that, your advice that Serbia should concentrate on EU admission and not on her
territorial integrity is somewhat off mark. In twenty years, anything can happen. Twenty years ago, Germany was divided and Soviet Union united. Thousand years Reich was not planned to last only 12.

Kosovo province belong to Serbia and it really does not matter whether there are 1.3M, 2 million or 5 million Albanians living there. There can be 2 or 5 million Turks living in Germany, but
Nordrhein-Westfalen will remain German province, even if all 2 million Turks decide to move there.

Serbia has no need to fight Kosovo Albanians. If they decide to make another Kuzey Kibris, let it be, it does not change the ownership. Once they understand where it leads, they will change their mind. In 50 years, or 250, it really does not matter. Serbia waited 450 years to liberate Kosovo, so time regarding Kosovo is measured with different yardstick.

I also advise that you consult serious history textbooks. Bad relations are actually only in the 20th century, because Serbia changed team and started playing for the Atlantists. It had disastrous result for both Serbs and Germans.

Speaking of Kosovo autonomy, it was suspended by Federal Yugoslavia, not Serbia. It was suspended because IMF requested it. Albanian communists were undermining Yugoslav debt servicing. Kosovo under Albanian communists was a black hole, as it is now. Do you think that is in German interest to pour money into the Serbian money pit when you have a money pit of your own in the East?

Bob

Albanians
Germany on our imaginary list? Ischinger has clearly stated his position and that is of NO independence without the UN. No UN without Russia. So all the noise from Washington is just that... faint noise. An echo. You will get independence... within Serbia. Called autonomy. :)

Bujar,

Sui generis?

Kurds in Iraq? GAS ATTACKS! You remember.

Tibet, China: millions (!) of people died!

If Kosovo then FOR SURE Kurdistan and Tibet.

Guys, wish you all the best. Glad I live in Western Europe. Get a life! But not on my expense please!
I paid taxes for the 1999 intervention to stop the violence. NOT FOR THE CREATION OF A NEW STATE!!

Bob Petrovich,
In your post #13 to Rudolf, you recommended he read some "serious" history books.
Would you please enlighten the rest of us by giving us a reading list, stating the name of the textbooks and their authors. Your help would be much appreciated.

Thank you

KS,

Why dont you and the other Albanians on here answer Ron's question. If Kosovo is sui generis, why not Tibet, Kurdistan, indeed Palestine Banda Aceh, West Papua, Northern Cyprus, Basque Region, Corsica, Moslem southern Phillipines, Kashmir and Tamil Eelam to name but a few?

Niall O'Doherty,

Exactly. Why Kosovo and not Kurdistan. Please answer.

KS,

I am sorry but I am really from Holland. I was born there. My parents are from Holland. Their parents were from Holland...

But most of all: I am a human being.
Borders are just man-made creations. Stop the nonsense. Welcome in a free, open Europe!
KS, you may hate me, but I love you.

Mr Michael John,

I can sense the irony in your tone and it is not warranted. Rudolf claimed that Serbia and Germany never had good relations, which is simply not true. He also claimed that Serbs took Kosovo autonomy, which is not true either. Such misconceptions are often created by reading pseudohistrorical pamphlets made to support current political agenda and not checking the facts.

Since you are eager to learn, You may start with History of the Byzantine State By George Ostrogorsky, page 405 (refuting the claim that Serbia and Germnay never had "good links"), continue through any history textbook written prior 1990 attitude and if in doubt, follow the money, i.e. autonomy was removed to allow the Yugoslav government to implement IMF structural adjustment reforms. Check Susan Woodward's Balkan Tragedy.

There is no excuse for claiming something that is not based on the facts.

I myself find it odd that almost all interlocutors who support illegal independence of Kosovo regularly resort to posting lies, semitruths and falsities to support their claim. The quality of their arguments says volumes about their cause.