Kosovo – test for diplomacy

Discussions! Discussions! Diplomacy! What a lost of time. During the same time, Albanians have been waiting for justice, security and independence.

My dear Albanians, just proclaim your indepemdence and Canada would be the firt to second your move. At least, I would be here to salute it with emotion.

All nations have the right to govern themselves, and this include Quebec also. WE ARE ALSO A NATION!

Victor, we will not abandon our word. To an Albanian his word is his honor.

Independence is around the corner.

Really?

Give independence to Southern Epirus first and then come back to discuss Quebec, Kosovo, etc...

"Independence is around the corner.
(KS, 21. September 2007 14:09) "

Oh sure ks,

And around that corner there is one BIG hole!

Victor
Its amazing how some people go to a certain country and take advantage of their hospitality in the worst way. Victor... Canada granted you citizenship and not Quebeque. Your application was processed through Ottawa and now you seek to dismember that country. Just like croats in Yugoslavia and albans in Serbia.

«Canada granted you citizenship and not Quebeque. Your application was processed ...»

Cvele,

Canada did not grant me a citizenship; I am already Canadian. You should read more carefully what I write. I am a Canadian by nationality, was born in Quebec, and is awaiting for the independence of Quebec. Quebec was founded in 1608 by France, and we're a dominantly French province who will become a new nation in a very near future.

Furthermore, don't forget that if you go to Canada (all other province), you will apply to Immigration Canada to go there; but if you want to come to Quebec, you will apply to Immigration Quebec.

Long life for INDEPENDENT Quebec

Borut the movie!

# Really?

Give independence to Southern Epirus first and then come back to discuss Quebec, Kosovo, etc...
(Ahilleas, 21. September 2007 13:59

But before, give independence to Eastern Thraka, Thesprotia (Chamuria), Southern Epirus, the islands of Hydra, Specia and Salamina, and the surrounding districts of Athens, such as Plaka, Spata and Luca.

Ahilleas said: "Give independence to Southern Epirus first and then come back to discuss Quebec, Kosovo, etc..." I think you are missing your point here. If I were an ultranationalist Greek, like you may be, I would rather claim the so called "Northern Epirus" aka "Vorio Epirus" which is part of the Republic of Albania, unless you are really eager to have an Albanian Republic of Southern Epirus, which currently is a territory within the Hellenic Republic. By the way, I don't mind your scenario at all. Long live the Republic of Southern Epirus :)

Can someone (anyone) please explain to me how an independent Kosovo would survive economically in the future. I can understand the desire for 'independence', but is the price worth paying.
How can Albanians in Kosovo 'square the circle' of independence (that includes financial independence, i.e. some form of economic activity) with the current dependence on donor charity?

Independence has its price, you know.

Anthony: Well first things first . First independence and then the economy. Somehow we'll work it out.
Achilleas: It makes me feel so good to finally see an open-minded Greek. If you only start the call for independence for Southern Epirus I and all the Albanians here will be 100% behind you every step of the way.

Victor,

So now you re a Quebecer too? Guess what, Quebecers never stole someone's land since the Indians. Plus on that, the separatist party of Quebec has hit his worst results in history. This means the Quebecers see more themselfs as Canadian residents as opposed to the Albanians who had only one goal in mind, Separation. On the other note Quebec is not an integral part of Canada and is not in the Confederation so it has evry right to govern itself. Kosovo is Serbia legally and if you take it without permission, it's called a STEAL.

Have a nice day and I doubt Canada would recognize Kosovo unilatery because it can only help them to destroy their own contry as Quebec could do the same.

OK Victor, enough with the sappy Hallmark greeting card rhetoric here. Note the use of the word "diplomacy" in the article's heading; not "reckless unilateralism" that some states, and some people here, think is totally fine to engage in. You want to proclaim yourself a nation? Quebec can join the ranks of Taiwan, North Cyprus, Nagorno-Karabakh, and Kosova, as the League of Parastates.

By the way, you said Canada would be one of the first to recognize, but call yourself, a self-proclaimed Quebecois, a nation. A little schitzophrantic this morning?

Let's wait Dec 10, and than INDEPENDENCE.

Anthony, Having a Balkan history major, you should be able to answer your own question, “how an independent Kosovo would survive economically”. How did the Kosovo Albanian survive in the Nineties with fare less than they have Known?

"All nations have the right to govern themselves, and this include Quebec also. WE ARE ALSO A NATION!"

When did Quebec legally separate from Canada and become a nation? I don't remember this being reported on any news service. I must have missed it.

How ironic to have this discussion at the Woodrow Wilson center - the US President who flew our flag over the white house.

It's amazing how dicotomic this is!

http://www.srpska-mreza.com/History/ww-1/SerbianFlag.html

No further comment necessary after you visit this link.

I, as a NEUTRAL Western European, paying a LOT of money for the Balkans, will NOT accept Kosovar independence.

I will do everything I can to stop it.
Do I hate Kosovars? NO! Do I like Serbs better? NO! Just... preserver international law. It is all we got.

I don't want bloodshed and war in the Caucasus because of an unneeded precedent for Kosovo!

To all seeking independence: There is so much more than your nationality. Get over it!
(Ron, 22. September 2007 03:46)

On the other hand, I, as another NEUTRAL Western Europian citizen, fully support the right of auto-determination for peoples which have suffered genocide, occupation and colonial exploit. We respected this basic right to Algeria, Tunis, Egypt and even Serbia itself after Ottoman Empire collapsed. They had suffered by their french, english or turkish invaders for centuries. Why should we break this rule, and spoil serbs allowing them to feed their nationalist ego and on the other side, tell albanians: stop your nationalist aspiration. We cannot leave serbs ruling a people that their regimes have massacred for 100 years long.
Freedom for Albanians.

Victor
Even if you do apply to Immigration Quebec that still means that you are applying in Ottawa. That is where your documents are sent after they have been reviewed by immigration Quebec. As for the histroy of Quebec I know it. You wont like to hear that Im from Toronto then? (Born in Belgrade though) As for you being born there that I didnt know. My mistake. Makes it that much more amusing. However, still doesnt change the facts.

Quebec has legal right to seperate while Kosovo does not. Its the law.

PS by the way it looks right now. Quebec is going nowhere.

CCCC

All separatists instead of using your efforts to make the nation you live in better, you seek to form a little statelet that will dependent on larger ones anyway. Thus creating even more problems. The heck with borders and ethnicities. Work on creating a better life for yourself and your family. Independence does not put bread on the table.

an someone (anyone) please explain to me how an independent Kosovo would survive economically in the future. I can understand the desire for 'independence', but is the price worth paying.
How can Albanians in Kosovo 'square the circle' of independence (that includes financial independence, i.e. some form of economic activity) with the current dependence on donor charity?

Independence has its price, you know.
(Anthony, 21. September 2007 16:32)

Anthony when you have been under Serbian rule you know the price is worth paying. I there were two choices left I would poverty over being ruled by Serbia any day any time, always.

Must be a slow news day. This is a non-story. Opinions are like belly-buttons, everyone has one. It's what the big boys say in the end that will matter - not these money wasting think tanks.

«...separatist party of Quebec has hit his worst results in history. This means the Quebecers see more themselves as Canadian residents ...»

BalkanBoy,

I don't think that you've been living in Quebec for a long time! Quebecers are very 'changeable'; they're mostly of Latin heritage. One day, they are for Canada, and the day after, they are against. Personally, I have been against for a long time. Quebec is French, and is a nation, as Mr Harper discovered this lately, just as Ontario is English.

I wish you well also and if you want to pursue this conversation in private, please email me at danlem at hotmail.com

Ratko, I see no black hole.

I'm glad Serbian readers like you are openly accepting the spot that Kosova is getting independence.

«Even if you do apply to Immigration Quebec that still means that you are applying in Ottawa.»

I know. Glad to hear that you live in Ontario. Great province. If you come to Québec, let me know;

Amazing....USA will do anything to keep all the states together as they know together they are stronger, yet here everybody talks about independence, who is benefiting,....people, I think not, just a handful of power hungry politician and the big powers as they can manipulate them easier. Kosovo is part of Serbia and it should stay there regardless.
Hungary lost 60% of it’s territories that had for 1000 years and look at them now, NO DIGNITY.
Land should never to be given up for anything

KS,

Well that's up to them. I, as a NEUTRAL Western European, paying a LOT of money for the Balkans, will NOT accept Kosovar independence.

I will do everything I can to stop it.
Do I hate Kosovars? NO! Do I like Serbs better? NO! Just... preserver international law. It is all we got.

I don't want bloodshed and war in the Caucasus because of an unneeded precedent for Kosovo!

To all seeking independence: There is so much more than your nationality. Get over it!

Discussions! Discussions! Diplomacy! What a lost of time. During the same time, Albanians have been waiting for justice, security and independence.

My dear Albanians, just proclaim your indepemdence and Canada would be the firt to second your move. At least, I would be here to salute it with emotion.

All nations have the right to govern themselves, and this include Quebec also. WE ARE ALSO A NATION!

# Really?

Give independence to Southern Epirus first and then come back to discuss Quebec, Kosovo, etc...
(Ahilleas, 21. September 2007 13:59

But before, give independence to Eastern Thraka, Thesprotia (Chamuria), Southern Epirus, the islands of Hydra, Specia and Salamina, and the surrounding districts of Athens, such as Plaka, Spata and Luca.

Really?

Give independence to Southern Epirus first and then come back to discuss Quebec, Kosovo, etc...

Victor, we will not abandon our word. To an Albanian his word is his honor.

Independence is around the corner.

Ahilleas said: "Give independence to Southern Epirus first and then come back to discuss Quebec, Kosovo, etc..." I think you are missing your point here. If I were an ultranationalist Greek, like you may be, I would rather claim the so called "Northern Epirus" aka "Vorio Epirus" which is part of the Republic of Albania, unless you are really eager to have an Albanian Republic of Southern Epirus, which currently is a territory within the Hellenic Republic. By the way, I don't mind your scenario at all. Long live the Republic of Southern Epirus :)

Victor,

So now you re a Quebecer too? Guess what, Quebecers never stole someone's land since the Indians. Plus on that, the separatist party of Quebec has hit his worst results in history. This means the Quebecers see more themselfs as Canadian residents as opposed to the Albanians who had only one goal in mind, Separation. On the other note Quebec is not an integral part of Canada and is not in the Confederation so it has evry right to govern itself. Kosovo is Serbia legally and if you take it without permission, it's called a STEAL.

Have a nice day and I doubt Canada would recognize Kosovo unilatery because it can only help them to destroy their own contry as Quebec could do the same.

OK Victor, enough with the sappy Hallmark greeting card rhetoric here. Note the use of the word "diplomacy" in the article's heading; not "reckless unilateralism" that some states, and some people here, think is totally fine to engage in. You want to proclaim yourself a nation? Quebec can join the ranks of Taiwan, North Cyprus, Nagorno-Karabakh, and Kosova, as the League of Parastates.

By the way, you said Canada would be one of the first to recognize, but call yourself, a self-proclaimed Quebecois, a nation. A little schitzophrantic this morning?

Let's wait Dec 10, and than INDEPENDENCE.

Borut the movie!

"Independence is around the corner.
(KS, 21. September 2007 14:09) "

Oh sure ks,

And around that corner there is one BIG hole!

Can someone (anyone) please explain to me how an independent Kosovo would survive economically in the future. I can understand the desire for 'independence', but is the price worth paying.
How can Albanians in Kosovo 'square the circle' of independence (that includes financial independence, i.e. some form of economic activity) with the current dependence on donor charity?

Independence has its price, you know.

Anthony: Well first things first . First independence and then the economy. Somehow we'll work it out.
Achilleas: It makes me feel so good to finally see an open-minded Greek. If you only start the call for independence for Southern Epirus I and all the Albanians here will be 100% behind you every step of the way.

"All nations have the right to govern themselves, and this include Quebec also. WE ARE ALSO A NATION!"

When did Quebec legally separate from Canada and become a nation? I don't remember this being reported on any news service. I must have missed it.

How ironic to have this discussion at the Woodrow Wilson center - the US President who flew our flag over the white house.

It's amazing how dicotomic this is!

http://www.srpska-mreza.com/History/ww-1/SerbianFlag.html

No further comment necessary after you visit this link.

Ratko, I see no black hole.

I'm glad Serbian readers like you are openly accepting the spot that Kosova is getting independence.

«Even if you do apply to Immigration Quebec that still means that you are applying in Ottawa.»

I know. Glad to hear that you live in Ontario. Great province. If you come to Québec, let me know;

Long life for INDEPENDENT Quebec

Victor
Its amazing how some people go to a certain country and take advantage of their hospitality in the worst way. Victor... Canada granted you citizenship and not Quebeque. Your application was processed through Ottawa and now you seek to dismember that country. Just like croats in Yugoslavia and albans in Serbia.

«Canada granted you citizenship and not Quebeque. Your application was processed ...»

Cvele,

Canada did not grant me a citizenship; I am already Canadian. You should read more carefully what I write. I am a Canadian by nationality, was born in Quebec, and is awaiting for the independence of Quebec. Quebec was founded in 1608 by France, and we're a dominantly French province who will become a new nation in a very near future.

Furthermore, don't forget that if you go to Canada (all other province), you will apply to Immigration Canada to go there; but if you want to come to Quebec, you will apply to Immigration Quebec.

Anthony, Having a Balkan history major, you should be able to answer your own question, “how an independent Kosovo would survive economically”. How did the Kosovo Albanian survive in the Nineties with fare less than they have Known?

Must be a slow news day. This is a non-story. Opinions are like belly-buttons, everyone has one. It's what the big boys say in the end that will matter - not these money wasting think tanks.

Victor
Even if you do apply to Immigration Quebec that still means that you are applying in Ottawa. That is where your documents are sent after they have been reviewed by immigration Quebec. As for the histroy of Quebec I know it. You wont like to hear that Im from Toronto then? (Born in Belgrade though) As for you being born there that I didnt know. My mistake. Makes it that much more amusing. However, still doesnt change the facts.

Quebec has legal right to seperate while Kosovo does not. Its the law.

PS by the way it looks right now. Quebec is going nowhere.

CCCC

All separatists instead of using your efforts to make the nation you live in better, you seek to form a little statelet that will dependent on larger ones anyway. Thus creating even more problems. The heck with borders and ethnicities. Work on creating a better life for yourself and your family. Independence does not put bread on the table.

«...separatist party of Quebec has hit his worst results in history. This means the Quebecers see more themselves as Canadian residents ...»

BalkanBoy,

I don't think that you've been living in Quebec for a long time! Quebecers are very 'changeable'; they're mostly of Latin heritage. One day, they are for Canada, and the day after, they are against. Personally, I have been against for a long time. Quebec is French, and is a nation, as Mr Harper discovered this lately, just as Ontario is English.

I wish you well also and if you want to pursue this conversation in private, please email me at danlem at hotmail.com

Amazing....USA will do anything to keep all the states together as they know together they are stronger, yet here everybody talks about independence, who is benefiting,....people, I think not, just a handful of power hungry politician and the big powers as they can manipulate them easier. Kosovo is part of Serbia and it should stay there regardless.
Hungary lost 60% of it’s territories that had for 1000 years and look at them now, NO DIGNITY.
Land should never to be given up for anything

KS,

Well that's up to them. I, as a NEUTRAL Western European, paying a LOT of money for the Balkans, will NOT accept Kosovar independence.

I will do everything I can to stop it.
Do I hate Kosovars? NO! Do I like Serbs better? NO! Just... preserver international law. It is all we got.

I don't want bloodshed and war in the Caucasus because of an unneeded precedent for Kosovo!

To all seeking independence: There is so much more than your nationality. Get over it!

an someone (anyone) please explain to me how an independent Kosovo would survive economically in the future. I can understand the desire for 'independence', but is the price worth paying.
How can Albanians in Kosovo 'square the circle' of independence (that includes financial independence, i.e. some form of economic activity) with the current dependence on donor charity?

Independence has its price, you know.
(Anthony, 21. September 2007 16:32)

Anthony when you have been under Serbian rule you know the price is worth paying. I there were two choices left I would poverty over being ruled by Serbia any day any time, always.

I, as a NEUTRAL Western European, paying a LOT of money for the Balkans, will NOT accept Kosovar independence.

I will do everything I can to stop it.
Do I hate Kosovars? NO! Do I like Serbs better? NO! Just... preserver international law. It is all we got.

I don't want bloodshed and war in the Caucasus because of an unneeded precedent for Kosovo!

To all seeking independence: There is so much more than your nationality. Get over it!
(Ron, 22. September 2007 03:46)

On the other hand, I, as another NEUTRAL Western Europian citizen, fully support the right of auto-determination for peoples which have suffered genocide, occupation and colonial exploit. We respected this basic right to Algeria, Tunis, Egypt and even Serbia itself after Ottoman Empire collapsed. They had suffered by their french, english or turkish invaders for centuries. Why should we break this rule, and spoil serbs allowing them to feed their nationalist ego and on the other side, tell albanians: stop your nationalist aspiration. We cannot leave serbs ruling a people that their regimes have massacred for 100 years long.
Freedom for Albanians.