1999 bombing details available next week

Since this war was illegal, they (NATO) must:

a) Undertake the cleaning of the mines/bombs
b) Pay for all the damages/human lifes
c) be tried in the Hague for crimes against humanity

I hope that the whole 1999 gang such as Clinton, Blair, Robertson, Shea and Solana care enough to read this report (I doubt it). Shame on them all.

How about Serbia also giving to the Croatian,Bosnian governments. The location of 10s of thousands land mines planted by there army in those countries. That maim& kill men women,children,farmers,tourist every year. The Serbs irresponsible politicians and military say that they did not bother to map the locations of mine fields. They should pay also compensation to the innocent suffering victims!

"Belgrade asked NATO in February for information on the location of bombs dropped in 1999, which killed dozens of civilians and injured hundreds, during attacks near Niš and other locations in Serbia, especially Kosovo."

Killed 'dozens'?? More like hundreds, and injured thousands. Note how Kosovo is still spoken about by Nato as part of Serbia.

It is unrelated, but there were clearly atrocities taking place in Kosovo against the Albanians. I would argue the scale of these, which forces carried them out etc. Also the innocence of the KLA who were also carrying out atrocities both during and especially after the 'liberation'.

Just because I was very against the bombing of Serbia, and am against the forced independence of Kosovo, does not mean that I believe any Kosovo Albanian life is worth any less than a Serbian, French, American or British life.

The murder of innocents of any ethnicity by any other group is horrendous, especially children. Just unthinkable, and those responsible should be locked away forever.

I just wanted to add this because I know that the comeback to my comments about the bombing will infer that I did not sympathise with the suffering of Albanian as well as Serbian civilians. Not the case, and I am sure that others feel the same way.

Enough violence and hate. Time to move forward.

What about the Serbian mines planted in Kosovo, especially at the Kosovo-Albania border, with the intent of blowing up FLEEING refugees?! Has Serbia sent any information on their whereabouts? No!

How about Serbia share information on why it killed 10,000 innocent Albanians, mostly women and children, raped thousands of women, destroyed over 100,000 homes/properties and expelled up to ONE MILLION Albanians?

Albanians know that there is no way Serbs can pay for such damage they have caused. The only solution is for them to separate from such tyranny.

What Serbs did was barbaric and crystal clear, yet there has been no reach out from the Serbian camp. What a shame. What people are you when even the victims (Albanians) reach out to you and try to forget the past and look to the future.

These are the reasons why it is unthinkable for Serbia return in Kosovo and continue to oppress it.

Ptomele,

"How about Serbia share information on why it killed 10,000 innocent Albanians, mostly women and children, raped thousands of women, destroyed over 100,000 homes/properties and expelled up to ONE MILLION Albanians?"

Well that's easy to answer; it never happened as you have described. Please provide independent forensic evidence to substantiate those figures. Ethnic Albanians, please respect this Serbian website and the privledge we all enjoy in using it by refraining from indulging in baseless mass hyperbole. Because the story is repeated over and over does not make it true. Evidence makes it true.

"How about Serbia also giving to the Croatian,Bosnian governments. The location of 10s of thousands land mines planted by there army in those countries."

Because Serbia didn't have its own army until 2006 and wasn't directly involved in those wars.

Philip Davies,

If FRY (Serbia and Montenegro) had claimed the legal personality of the former SFRJ, and is claiming the legal personality of the former FRY, the later being recognized by the UN, why do you think that the atrocities committed by ex SFRY/FRY armies cannot be prescribed to today's Republic of Serbia?

Lenard,

It was proven in a court that is very biased AGAINST Serbs, that SERBIA had NO DIRECT involvement in Croatia or Bosnia. The thing you don't understand is that in Croatia and Bosnia it was each side against the other, with US helping Muslims and Croats. Croats AND Muslims laid bombs as well. When NATO bombed Serbia, Serbia did not lay out bombs in America or Britain. So your comment is irrelevant and sounds like a rant from someone who cannot come up with anything productive to say.

Kate,

Show us some verifed sources and names of those hundreds and thousands killed in Nis, by Nato bombs (please not some serbianna com, srpska-mreza com or some other conservative, socialist, conspiracy, 'it was all a lie' site). Yes innocent people were killed but not in hundreds.

Nikshala - You're right; I wasn't talking specifically about Nis - I was talking about throughout Serbia (including Kosovo) where in fact the numbers were far greater. My mistake in terms of the specific quote, but shadowed in comparison to Nato's far greater mistake.

I will be happy to eventually read the headlines which may lead to Blair and Clinton, both now out of office, personally tried for these crimes and held accountable. The lies they told made Goebbels look like an amateur (but then he didn't have the hi-tech gear to slow down film of trains etc.).

Blair's spokesman, Alastair Campbell really overstepped the mark when he was sent to 'handle things' in Brussels. He also needs to be brought to account in this whole sorry matter.

Aleksandër, what you are saying is essentially true, but the JNA withdrew from Bosnia at the same time that the FRY was proclaimed. Also read answer from Milan.

Actually Kate I agree with you. Blair, Clinton and the gang should stand trial for illegal crimes. The list should be much longer Kate, it should include also heads of all NATO countries.

I believe that no Blair or Clinton or whoever has rights to deny anyone right to live the way it wants. Today’s world should recognise and fulfil needs of it’s citizens. Today world should be accountable for the security and wellbeing of their citizens otherwise better not exist. Of course citizens should be the ones that respects the rule of law same as the instruments of the law. There are cases when the citizens are not happy with the treatment of their government i.e. Serbians in Kosova Vilayet(Ottoman Empire era) and start the appraisal against such rule. In this case alliance and any foreign intervention should be allowed just to fulfil the will of the majority population even if it results with the creation of new state.
Case of K-Albanians should be seen same as the case of Serbs under the Ottoman empire

WWII is another example when US intervened to help the allies fight the Nazis , but that was OK I believe.

"I will be happy to eventually read the headlines which may lead to Blair and Clinton, both now out of office, personally tried for these crimes and held accountable"

Kate,

Those two honnorable getlemen commanded a life-saving humanitarian action, one of the biggest of the XX century. They will be remembered that way and praised for it.

"Case of K-Albanians should be seen same as the case of Serbs under the Ottoman empire"

No, Olf. Albanians in Kosovo is the continuing legacy of the Ottoman Turks. No exile of Serbs fearing Turkish reprisals after failed revolts with the Austrians in the late 17th and early 18th centuries = no population vacuum in which the Albanians could infiltrate. There is no evidence of Albanian activity in Kosovo until after 1700. Don't bother to look that up in your Tirana issued history books.

Kate

You're right about the murdering of innocent civilians being immoral and as you said, horrendous. NATO's bombing did indeed kill quite a few Serb civilians (and a bunch of Kosovo Albanians as well) but where I would disagree with you is the intention.

Many Serbs (and you probably) will disagree with me, but a lot of the civilian casualties of the NATO bombings were either due to targeting errors (Chinese embassy), malfunctions of equipment, or just bad luck (living or happening to be close by to strategic targets, such as bridges, weapons factories, antenna/radar installations). I do not think it was NATO's intention to target civilians deliberately as a way to force Belgrade into submission.
It simply did not need to. So talking about NATO "murdering" civilians is probably too strong a statement, though in certain cases you might blame them for negligence. Also, for all it's worth, the commanders and even the politicians apologized/expressed regrets whenever civilians were killed.

The same cannot be said of the Serbian regime of that time. Killing civilians was part of the strategy of the crackdown. That's what turns a killing into murder. I don't doubt members of the KLA did murder civilians too ... and hopefully they'll face justice for that.

One could argue about the legality of NATO's attacks against Serbia. That however does not make NATO's intervention necessarily wrong at the time.

The classic example of this scenario is the question: "If you knew what Hitler would do to Europe and you had a chance to stop it, would you assassinate him if you had the opportunity?" Legally you'd be committing murder, but morally you'd save millions of lives.

In any case, we can't bring the dead back and adding more this time around is unacceptable. As you said it yourself, it's time to move forward...in a peaceful manner whatever the outcome.

In the Balkan wars all sides planted mines and some of the worst mined areas are in central Bosnia where the Croat and Muslims fought. Mines are generally defensive weapons and they were planted to prevent the Albanian army and KLA coming up from Albania. The KLA was supplied and trained in Albania and Albanian army members and recruits from Albania were invading Serbia. But the Albanians were planting mines too to prevent Serbian operations into Albania to capture KLA.

The Serbs did provide NATO with maps of mines when they came into the province. Most of the injuries to those in Kosovo came from cluster bombs.

The KLA was notorious for planting mines on roads to blow up Serb police vehicles. The KLA didn't map their mines very well and Albanians have gotten killed from KLA mines.

The Bosnian Muslims also mined the area around their concentration camps of Serbs. I believe Celebici and Tarcin were just a few.

The Croats also mined Serbian property so the Serbs can't come back - not to mention how the Croats also poisoned the wells and killed all the livestock of Serbs so it is no a desert through much of the Krajina.

"How about Serbia also giving to the Croatian,Bosnian governments. The location of 10s of thousands land mines planted by there army in those countries."

Because Serbia didn't have its own army until 2006 and wasn't directly involved in those wars.

"I will be happy to eventually read the headlines which may lead to Blair and Clinton, both now out of office, personally tried for these crimes and held accountable"

Kate,

Those two honnorable getlemen commanded a life-saving humanitarian action, one of the biggest of the XX century. They will be remembered that way and praised for it.

Ptomele,

"How about Serbia share information on why it killed 10,000 innocent Albanians, mostly women and children, raped thousands of women, destroyed over 100,000 homes/properties and expelled up to ONE MILLION Albanians?"

Well that's easy to answer; it never happened as you have described. Please provide independent forensic evidence to substantiate those figures. Ethnic Albanians, please respect this Serbian website and the privledge we all enjoy in using it by refraining from indulging in baseless mass hyperbole. Because the story is repeated over and over does not make it true. Evidence makes it true.

"Case of K-Albanians should be seen same as the case of Serbs under the Ottoman empire"

No, Olf. Albanians in Kosovo is the continuing legacy of the Ottoman Turks. No exile of Serbs fearing Turkish reprisals after failed revolts with the Austrians in the late 17th and early 18th centuries = no population vacuum in which the Albanians could infiltrate. There is no evidence of Albanian activity in Kosovo until after 1700. Don't bother to look that up in your Tirana issued history books.

"Belgrade asked NATO in February for information on the location of bombs dropped in 1999, which killed dozens of civilians and injured hundreds, during attacks near Niš and other locations in Serbia, especially Kosovo."

Killed 'dozens'?? More like hundreds, and injured thousands. Note how Kosovo is still spoken about by Nato as part of Serbia.

It is unrelated, but there were clearly atrocities taking place in Kosovo against the Albanians. I would argue the scale of these, which forces carried them out etc. Also the innocence of the KLA who were also carrying out atrocities both during and especially after the 'liberation'.

Just because I was very against the bombing of Serbia, and am against the forced independence of Kosovo, does not mean that I believe any Kosovo Albanian life is worth any less than a Serbian, French, American or British life.

The murder of innocents of any ethnicity by any other group is horrendous, especially children. Just unthinkable, and those responsible should be locked away forever.

I just wanted to add this because I know that the comeback to my comments about the bombing will infer that I did not sympathise with the suffering of Albanian as well as Serbian civilians. Not the case, and I am sure that others feel the same way.

Enough violence and hate. Time to move forward.

How about Serbia also giving to the Croatian,Bosnian governments. The location of 10s of thousands land mines planted by there army in those countries. That maim& kill men women,children,farmers,tourist every year. The Serbs irresponsible politicians and military say that they did not bother to map the locations of mine fields. They should pay also compensation to the innocent suffering victims!

Lenard,

It was proven in a court that is very biased AGAINST Serbs, that SERBIA had NO DIRECT involvement in Croatia or Bosnia. The thing you don't understand is that in Croatia and Bosnia it was each side against the other, with US helping Muslims and Croats. Croats AND Muslims laid bombs as well. When NATO bombed Serbia, Serbia did not lay out bombs in America or Britain. So your comment is irrelevant and sounds like a rant from someone who cannot come up with anything productive to say.

Kate

You're right about the murdering of innocent civilians being immoral and as you said, horrendous. NATO's bombing did indeed kill quite a few Serb civilians (and a bunch of Kosovo Albanians as well) but where I would disagree with you is the intention.

Many Serbs (and you probably) will disagree with me, but a lot of the civilian casualties of the NATO bombings were either due to targeting errors (Chinese embassy), malfunctions of equipment, or just bad luck (living or happening to be close by to strategic targets, such as bridges, weapons factories, antenna/radar installations). I do not think it was NATO's intention to target civilians deliberately as a way to force Belgrade into submission.
It simply did not need to. So talking about NATO "murdering" civilians is probably too strong a statement, though in certain cases you might blame them for negligence. Also, for all it's worth, the commanders and even the politicians apologized/expressed regrets whenever civilians were killed.

The same cannot be said of the Serbian regime of that time. Killing civilians was part of the strategy of the crackdown. That's what turns a killing into murder. I don't doubt members of the KLA did murder civilians too ... and hopefully they'll face justice for that.

One could argue about the legality of NATO's attacks against Serbia. That however does not make NATO's intervention necessarily wrong at the time.

The classic example of this scenario is the question: "If you knew what Hitler would do to Europe and you had a chance to stop it, would you assassinate him if you had the opportunity?" Legally you'd be committing murder, but morally you'd save millions of lives.

In any case, we can't bring the dead back and adding more this time around is unacceptable. As you said it yourself, it's time to move forward...in a peaceful manner whatever the outcome.

Actually Kate I agree with you. Blair, Clinton and the gang should stand trial for illegal crimes. The list should be much longer Kate, it should include also heads of all NATO countries.

I believe that no Blair or Clinton or whoever has rights to deny anyone right to live the way it wants. Today’s world should recognise and fulfil needs of it’s citizens. Today world should be accountable for the security and wellbeing of their citizens otherwise better not exist. Of course citizens should be the ones that respects the rule of law same as the instruments of the law. There are cases when the citizens are not happy with the treatment of their government i.e. Serbians in Kosova Vilayet(Ottoman Empire era) and start the appraisal against such rule. In this case alliance and any foreign intervention should be allowed just to fulfil the will of the majority population even if it results with the creation of new state.
Case of K-Albanians should be seen same as the case of Serbs under the Ottoman empire

WWII is another example when US intervened to help the allies fight the Nazis , but that was OK I believe.

In the Balkan wars all sides planted mines and some of the worst mined areas are in central Bosnia where the Croat and Muslims fought. Mines are generally defensive weapons and they were planted to prevent the Albanian army and KLA coming up from Albania. The KLA was supplied and trained in Albania and Albanian army members and recruits from Albania were invading Serbia. But the Albanians were planting mines too to prevent Serbian operations into Albania to capture KLA.

The Serbs did provide NATO with maps of mines when they came into the province. Most of the injuries to those in Kosovo came from cluster bombs.

The KLA was notorious for planting mines on roads to blow up Serb police vehicles. The KLA didn't map their mines very well and Albanians have gotten killed from KLA mines.

The Bosnian Muslims also mined the area around their concentration camps of Serbs. I believe Celebici and Tarcin were just a few.

The Croats also mined Serbian property so the Serbs can't come back - not to mention how the Croats also poisoned the wells and killed all the livestock of Serbs so it is no a desert through much of the Krajina.

Since this war was illegal, they (NATO) must:

a) Undertake the cleaning of the mines/bombs
b) Pay for all the damages/human lifes
c) be tried in the Hague for crimes against humanity

I hope that the whole 1999 gang such as Clinton, Blair, Robertson, Shea and Solana care enough to read this report (I doubt it). Shame on them all.

Kate,

Show us some verifed sources and names of those hundreds and thousands killed in Nis, by Nato bombs (please not some serbianna com, srpska-mreza com or some other conservative, socialist, conspiracy, 'it was all a lie' site). Yes innocent people were killed but not in hundreds.

Nikshala - You're right; I wasn't talking specifically about Nis - I was talking about throughout Serbia (including Kosovo) where in fact the numbers were far greater. My mistake in terms of the specific quote, but shadowed in comparison to Nato's far greater mistake.

I will be happy to eventually read the headlines which may lead to Blair and Clinton, both now out of office, personally tried for these crimes and held accountable. The lies they told made Goebbels look like an amateur (but then he didn't have the hi-tech gear to slow down film of trains etc.).

Blair's spokesman, Alastair Campbell really overstepped the mark when he was sent to 'handle things' in Brussels. He also needs to be brought to account in this whole sorry matter.

Philip Davies,

If FRY (Serbia and Montenegro) had claimed the legal personality of the former SFRJ, and is claiming the legal personality of the former FRY, the later being recognized by the UN, why do you think that the atrocities committed by ex SFRY/FRY armies cannot be prescribed to today's Republic of Serbia?

Aleksandër, what you are saying is essentially true, but the JNA withdrew from Bosnia at the same time that the FRY was proclaimed. Also read answer from Milan.

What about the Serbian mines planted in Kosovo, especially at the Kosovo-Albania border, with the intent of blowing up FLEEING refugees?! Has Serbia sent any information on their whereabouts? No!

How about Serbia share information on why it killed 10,000 innocent Albanians, mostly women and children, raped thousands of women, destroyed over 100,000 homes/properties and expelled up to ONE MILLION Albanians?

Albanians know that there is no way Serbs can pay for such damage they have caused. The only solution is for them to separate from such tyranny.

What Serbs did was barbaric and crystal clear, yet there has been no reach out from the Serbian camp. What a shame. What people are you when even the victims (Albanians) reach out to you and try to forget the past and look to the future.

These are the reasons why it is unthinkable for Serbia return in Kosovo and continue to oppress it.