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Thursday, 13.09.2007.

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"China against imposed Kosovo solution"

After talks with China's vice-president, Foreign Minister Vuk Jeremić said China opposed an imposed Kosovo solution.

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Ron

pre 16 godina

Mustafa,

Then why isn't the US protecting Taiwan and Tibet? Why does the US not push for official Taiwanese independence?

Again, and please answer:
WHY A SPECIAL TREATMENT FOR KOSOVO?

Remember what the Chinese did in Tibet?
Why are there no NATO troops in Tibet NOW?

Roger7

pre 16 godina

miri says..."If you feel provoked it's because of your one-sided view of the situation and the lack of tolerance towards people with different point of view'.

I have attached a post I entered a few weeks ago that clearly demonstrates that I am indeed tolerant and compassionate.

“There is no denying that atrocities occurred in the Balkans during the 90’s by all ethnic groups and how very sad that not one generation in that region has ever known peace. Every life is precious and every individual who committed a crime, regardless of their ethnicity, should answer for their chosen behavior.
I am not arrogant enough to claim to know what the solutions are for the people of the Balkans, enabling them to move forward to heal, forgive, and live prosperous and productive lives. I do know that it is NOT to preach constant condemnation and collective guilt of one ethnic group.
I am also interested in building bridges unlike some on this site, not because I benefit but, because the people of the Balkans deserve as much.”
Roger7

miri

pre 16 godina

To Roger7:
"More importantly, inflammatory comments (frequently posted by you), and not based on fact or intelligence, only serve to provoke anger and hatred."

I don't think my comments have any intention to provoke anything. On the contrary comments from the Serb camp, full of mocking and name calling have continously done that. If you feel provoked it's because of your one-sided view of the situation and the lack of tolerance towards people with different point of view. In an earlier posting you called my comments caustic for some reason that only you know. Now you are calling my comments provokative.

As far as my comment "no-one cares anymore what Serbia wants" you have to put it in the context that I posted it in order to understand it which is: If one can break int. law first, that same one doesn't have the right to ask others to respect the law towards itself because the other will not care about that. It seems that while you consider my comments too provocative or too caustic and you like to disregard them as such , in other hand though you don't miss the chance to "get back" to me in a very rude way.

Roger7

pre 16 godina

Miri says…” no-one cares anymore what Serbia wants”.

If the above statement were true, the Kosovo issue would have gone to the UNSC for a vote.

More importantly, inflammatory comments (frequently posted by you), and not based on fact or intelligence, only serve to provoke anger and hatred.

Niall O'Doherty, Ireland

pre 16 godina

Mr Krasniqi's gem of, and I quote him in this, "Only OPPRESSIVE countries such as russia and china would support you". Good Lord, I didnt know whether to laugh or cry. So by your logical argument Mr. Krasniqi, Austria, Spain, Greece, Cyprus, Bulgaria, Slovakia, India, South Africa, Congo, indeed anybody opposed to Kosovo independence are all OPPRESSIVE countries, while those who support you are good. Indeed judging from this, if that is the best that the K-Albanian negotiating team can bring to the talks, then Serbia has it in the bag. Serbia's PR machine is well oiled and I'm very impressed of her diplomatic entourages recently.

Oh yes, the African Union has also come out against Kosovo Independence.

Nehat Krasniqi

pre 16 godina

Princip-: Yes your right it is very impressive, this is the main reason why Russia blocked the veto and its working in Serbia's favour but their is no battle. Kosova is now independent that's why the Serbs are doing the running and the Albanians are not "when some is to blame, the one to blame is always the fist to say I didn't do it" we will declare independency soon after the 10 December, and the US and the rest of the civilised world will accept our will as the world know what you the serbs have done to the region. Only OPPRESSIVE countries such as russia and china would support you.

and finally this is all according to Vuk the Chine's govement have not declared anything 1. he could be lying 2. he could be twisting the truth and 3. If China didn't think it was important to hold a press conference I really don't think the meeting was that successful PRINCIP.

PB

pre 16 godina

Miri - i'll forgive you if you cannot read as i explained earlier why the war in Kosovo started. To repeat, the war started because the Albanian terrorists started the war - the KLA. THAT is against international law, and Serbia responded accordingly. The war in Kosovo is the fault of the ALbanians, NOT the Serbs.

Mustafa

pre 16 godina

Irrespective of what China, Russia and the likes have to say. The US will never allow the Serbian military or police back in Kosovo. The reality is the US along with EU holds the equity there and nobody else.

JHam

pre 16 godina

I am sure China has it's own interest in this Kosovo business. They know what is going on there they have there informants so. They do not want to be bother by Tibet or any other problems (Taiwan) wanting to Separate. Already Taiwan is on it's on but not on paper. China allows this do you see Taiwan wanting to declare independence? No, because before they know they will have 500,000 screaming chinese troops on there door step and the US and the UN will not do anything to stop them. China does not need the US it is the US who needs China. Currently they are largest investor in the US do you think we would kick over china's ant hill? NO, the EU does not want to irritate Russia that is the largest supplier of Natural Gas at a Fair price. No who is going to fill the Gap? Any other large natural gas suppliers that will not charge an astronomical price to transport the gas needed to heat Western Europe? Hell NO. So i think we all need to pay close attention to what is going on behind the scenes. Everyone seems to think the US is going to over power every body for the sake of Kosovo. Wrong answer. I think Iraq and Afganistan was the last crusades for the US Military. There is not going to be any more rush to save the day. Kosovo is a Europeon issue not a US issue. Since the 1980's we have been riding to the resuce to help muslims, Beirut, 1st Gulf War, Somilia, Bosnia, Kosovo, afganistan and back to the Gulf. Almost everytime we get kick in the teeth after the day is saved. I don't believe there will be another rush to rescue. We should mind our own business and work on issue in the US. Leave the other mission to the countries in the Region we are not wanted there after the objectives have been accomplished for the abused party. When things do not go right for either party of concern it will be of course the US fault.

lowe

pre 16 godina

I knew all along that Beijing would oppose an imposed solution. The Chinese during the Qing Dynasty were occupied and humiliated by the West (yes, I mean UK, France, Germany, etc)) who grabbed Hong Kong, Tientsin, Shanghai, Weihaiwei etc under what the Chinese called "unequal treaties". During those days, "No dogs and Chinese allowed" signs appeared on beaches in Shanghai. Why do you think there were so much celebrations when HongKong returned to Chinese rule in 1997 and the British were finally yanked out after 99 years?

The Chinese may be a totally different race and culture from the Serbs, but their sufferings at the hands of the Western powers in the 19th Century made them natural sympathizers to Serbia over Kosovo.

Moreover Chinese culture have a distinct preference for negotiations and mutual accomodation -- I know this from staying in Hong Kong for a few years and dealing with the ethnic Chinese there.

In short, these historical and cultural reasons made a negotiated compromise the ideal solution for the Chinese and an imposed one absolutely unacceptable.

luke

pre 16 godina

i will make one thing clear now and forever - no matter what US, China, Russia or Serbia thinks.

albanians in kosova will never be under the serbia rule unless they are all killed. no one can force 2MM people to be slaves to serbs. albanians are peaceful people and they have never attacked anyone in serbia - ever. They want to live in peace in their own place.

Serbia started many wars over the last 15 years and lost them all. Kosova is the last chapter. Even Montenegro does not want anything to do with Serbia - why would ALbania. -- good luck and waste all your time and hope in other countries but kosova is albanian, was and will be forever. Just becuase certain countries do not support kosova independence (like Spain or CHina) it is not because it is not right but because of their own problems (basque and taiwan).

So grow up, look at reality and recognize that people have the right to live freely and no Serb will ever control Kosova.

Americadecided

pre 16 godina

China is totally market dependant.It relies on the USA and it won`t change.Of course it`s a big player,second to USA but China is not militarily able to do anything.It does not have the technology and we all know USA posseses more than half of the world`s technology.America decided that Kosova be independent."Enough is Enough"...let the serbian media and serb people still dream of going back to occupy that land.The era of colonialist occupations has ended long time ago.

Ron

pre 16 godina

KS,

Yes. An awful lot of energy has to be spent to Kosovo. So indeed within 10 years we see a peaceful province. Within Serbia. Within Europe.

Why change borders now, if Serbia/Kosovo is in Europe within some years?


ON CHINA:

Hope Russia AND China will both veto any resolution in the UNSC. Both countries know what effects Kosovo can have: minorities in their own state.

Jovan

pre 16 godina

altough I would like to emhasize that it doesn´t matter whether China is bigger than EU or not... what is really important, and that´s something I would emphasize indeed..., is that the number of countries that are expressing their "opinion" in that way is growing ( almost from day to day ) a few days ago it was Indonesia, now China...

let´s see what future brings!
I am confident. others won´t be very amused, I think.

Milan

pre 16 godina

TO MIRI:

"Spain is dead-set against independence for Kosovo. Alberto Navarro, Spain’s Secretary of State for the EU, has expressed concern that outside powers are deciding on the fate of another country and that this will lead to another European State splitting up. But Albertito, we know that’s not what you’re really worried about. Any Spanish government support for Kosovan independence would fire up nationalists in Spain, who would charge their leaders with hypocrisy for supporting independence movements outside Spain whilst railing against them domestically"

Find that. What have you got to say now?

Furthermore, China is larger than the EU PLUS AMERICA, so don't tempt the dragon. I think the world cares MUCH MORE about what China thinks than what Albanians want.

KS

pre 16 godina

This article has changed this reality, well no not really. Anyone could have guessed that China wasn't into "imposed" solution.

There are a lot of countries that aren't as optimistic for independence. Of course, success is measured by the numbers of failures and successes.

Independence is going to take a lot of work, no solution currently can fix the problem in the next 5 years. Independence will need 10 to 15 years of support. Some countries don't feel they should spend their money to improve that region because they are looking at short-effect not overall stability that an Rep. of Kosova can bring to whole Europe.

miri

pre 16 godina

To PB: "The UN was set up to try to resolve issue such as these."

And by that, I suppose, you mean that Serbia can justify its murderous acts against K-Abanians 8 years ago since, according to you, it is protected by int. law, right?

Well that's where you are out of sync here, since Serbia was first to break these laws in the most brutal way and such
no-one cares anymore what Serbia wants.

Jovan

pre 16 godina

...I can remember some, saying that Serbia and Russia are alone against the rest of the world, only a few days ago...

now there´s China against any illegal steps, and Indonesia, the biggest muslim country, too...
seems like the world is getting smaller and smaller every day! ...you can call it globalisation, my dear albanian friends.

laki NY

pre 16 godina

canadien you forgot to add Canada while you at your imaginary supporters don’t stop on earth, add entire planetary system as well!

miri

pre 16 godina

To PB: "I hope you enjoyed the article about Spain not wanting to recognise Kosovo as it would set a precedent for the BAsque region."

Hey PB,
what article are you talking about? All I have seen is an article from a leftist press which in no way represent the view of Spanish government.
Can you present any official proof that Spain will NOT recognize the state of Kosovo?
All I can say you are too quick to draw conclusions.

nodonedeal

pre 16 godina

OK, Albans - are you going to say that in addition to the Russians, the Chinese view is also unimportant? That the Kosovo status issue is just a EU problem? There is a lot of weight behind Serbia, you must agree to that?

nodonedeal

pre 16 godina

Harry, are you kidding - befriend the Albanians? Did you hear that the Albanians cleansed almost all non-Albanians out of Kosovo. They do don't want to befriend anyone in Kosovo, especially Serbs - unless of course that someone is providing them with protection or financing. Serbia is befriending nations that will be, and have been friendly towards them. CCCC

luciano

pre 16 godina

As an American it pains me to admit that China is the most important country in the 21st century.The US market of 300m pales in comparison to China's 1.3b.The age of the dragon is upon us and we must all respect its power because its fire is far reaching.If I remember correctly Albania was China's best friend in Europe because they considered the Soviet Union to be too WESTERN not too long ago.The times they are a changin(bob Dylan)

PB

pre 16 godina

Miri - don't you know your history? You are trying to compare chalk with cheese. The "international rules" were completely different before the UN came along. The UN was set up to try to resolve issue such as these.

P.S. Hope you enjoyed the article about Spain not wanting to recognise Kosovo as it would set a precedent for the BAsque region.

Canadien

pre 16 godina

It is not only China and Russia but also...

Romania, Slovakia, South Africa, India, Bulgaria, Hungary, Indonesia, Most of the other Asian countries, Brazil and most of the other South American Countries, as well as most of the Nordic countries. All and all this makes up over 70% of the world, so when the Albanians say that only Russia supports Serbia, they are way off! the fact is only the USA, UK and a few other countries really support Independence for Kosovo. By the way - France, Germany and Italy, could go either way, you cannot be sure about them.

miri

pre 16 godina

So What,

Whether China and Russia, or Russia only, or China only block the resolution in UNSC doesn't make any difference.

Unfortunately we all know that now resolution will passed in UNSC, independence will be achieved unilaterally with all its good and backwards consequences that will follow. As far as China's decision to recognize Kosovo unilaterally as an independence state,that remains to be seen.

It took 13 years for US to recognize Soviet Union so no bid deal there. (Kruschev memoirs)

Harry

pre 16 godina

Yes, 2 Cold War enemies of the US. Dont kid yourselves they are not doing it because they like Serbs.
Its just a game of chess.
Yes Serbia has improved its diplomatic onslaught but what ever happens Serbian police and army will never go back to the Albanian areas. Instead of going round the world the government should do more to befriend the Albanians.

Princip, UK

pre 16 godina

I am impressed with the diplomatic onslaught of the Serbian Government - it seems that there has been a well coordinated and almost non-stop tour of one representative of the government throughout Europe and in the rest of the world promoting Serbia and it's continued sovereignity - keep up the excellent work and build upon the excellent opportunities that abound.

PB

pre 16 godina

Nothing new here. China has previously stated that it would follow Russia's lead in the security council if a vote were to be held.

The Albanians like to cite Russia as the only country to vote against a proposed resolution, but the reality is that 2 major members would throw it out.

Canadien

pre 16 godina

It is not only China and Russia but also...

Romania, Slovakia, South Africa, India, Bulgaria, Hungary, Indonesia, Most of the other Asian countries, Brazil and most of the other South American Countries, as well as most of the Nordic countries. All and all this makes up over 70% of the world, so when the Albanians say that only Russia supports Serbia, they are way off! the fact is only the USA, UK and a few other countries really support Independence for Kosovo. By the way - France, Germany and Italy, could go either way, you cannot be sure about them.

Princip, UK

pre 16 godina

I am impressed with the diplomatic onslaught of the Serbian Government - it seems that there has been a well coordinated and almost non-stop tour of one representative of the government throughout Europe and in the rest of the world promoting Serbia and it's continued sovereignity - keep up the excellent work and build upon the excellent opportunities that abound.

PB

pre 16 godina

Nothing new here. China has previously stated that it would follow Russia's lead in the security council if a vote were to be held.

The Albanians like to cite Russia as the only country to vote against a proposed resolution, but the reality is that 2 major members would throw it out.

nodonedeal

pre 16 godina

OK, Albans - are you going to say that in addition to the Russians, the Chinese view is also unimportant? That the Kosovo status issue is just a EU problem? There is a lot of weight behind Serbia, you must agree to that?

luciano

pre 16 godina

As an American it pains me to admit that China is the most important country in the 21st century.The US market of 300m pales in comparison to China's 1.3b.The age of the dragon is upon us and we must all respect its power because its fire is far reaching.If I remember correctly Albania was China's best friend in Europe because they considered the Soviet Union to be too WESTERN not too long ago.The times they are a changin(bob Dylan)

PB

pre 16 godina

Miri - don't you know your history? You are trying to compare chalk with cheese. The "international rules" were completely different before the UN came along. The UN was set up to try to resolve issue such as these.

P.S. Hope you enjoyed the article about Spain not wanting to recognise Kosovo as it would set a precedent for the BAsque region.

nodonedeal

pre 16 godina

Harry, are you kidding - befriend the Albanians? Did you hear that the Albanians cleansed almost all non-Albanians out of Kosovo. They do don't want to befriend anyone in Kosovo, especially Serbs - unless of course that someone is providing them with protection or financing. Serbia is befriending nations that will be, and have been friendly towards them. CCCC

Jovan

pre 16 godina

...I can remember some, saying that Serbia and Russia are alone against the rest of the world, only a few days ago...

now there´s China against any illegal steps, and Indonesia, the biggest muslim country, too...
seems like the world is getting smaller and smaller every day! ...you can call it globalisation, my dear albanian friends.

Milan

pre 16 godina

TO MIRI:

"Spain is dead-set against independence for Kosovo. Alberto Navarro, Spain’s Secretary of State for the EU, has expressed concern that outside powers are deciding on the fate of another country and that this will lead to another European State splitting up. But Albertito, we know that’s not what you’re really worried about. Any Spanish government support for Kosovan independence would fire up nationalists in Spain, who would charge their leaders with hypocrisy for supporting independence movements outside Spain whilst railing against them domestically"

Find that. What have you got to say now?

Furthermore, China is larger than the EU PLUS AMERICA, so don't tempt the dragon. I think the world cares MUCH MORE about what China thinks than what Albanians want.

Jovan

pre 16 godina

altough I would like to emhasize that it doesn´t matter whether China is bigger than EU or not... what is really important, and that´s something I would emphasize indeed..., is that the number of countries that are expressing their "opinion" in that way is growing ( almost from day to day ) a few days ago it was Indonesia, now China...

let´s see what future brings!
I am confident. others won´t be very amused, I think.

Niall O'Doherty, Ireland

pre 16 godina

Mr Krasniqi's gem of, and I quote him in this, "Only OPPRESSIVE countries such as russia and china would support you". Good Lord, I didnt know whether to laugh or cry. So by your logical argument Mr. Krasniqi, Austria, Spain, Greece, Cyprus, Bulgaria, Slovakia, India, South Africa, Congo, indeed anybody opposed to Kosovo independence are all OPPRESSIVE countries, while those who support you are good. Indeed judging from this, if that is the best that the K-Albanian negotiating team can bring to the talks, then Serbia has it in the bag. Serbia's PR machine is well oiled and I'm very impressed of her diplomatic entourages recently.

Oh yes, the African Union has also come out against Kosovo Independence.

PB

pre 16 godina

Miri - i'll forgive you if you cannot read as i explained earlier why the war in Kosovo started. To repeat, the war started because the Albanian terrorists started the war - the KLA. THAT is against international law, and Serbia responded accordingly. The war in Kosovo is the fault of the ALbanians, NOT the Serbs.

Ron

pre 16 godina

KS,

Yes. An awful lot of energy has to be spent to Kosovo. So indeed within 10 years we see a peaceful province. Within Serbia. Within Europe.

Why change borders now, if Serbia/Kosovo is in Europe within some years?


ON CHINA:

Hope Russia AND China will both veto any resolution in the UNSC. Both countries know what effects Kosovo can have: minorities in their own state.

JHam

pre 16 godina

I am sure China has it's own interest in this Kosovo business. They know what is going on there they have there informants so. They do not want to be bother by Tibet or any other problems (Taiwan) wanting to Separate. Already Taiwan is on it's on but not on paper. China allows this do you see Taiwan wanting to declare independence? No, because before they know they will have 500,000 screaming chinese troops on there door step and the US and the UN will not do anything to stop them. China does not need the US it is the US who needs China. Currently they are largest investor in the US do you think we would kick over china's ant hill? NO, the EU does not want to irritate Russia that is the largest supplier of Natural Gas at a Fair price. No who is going to fill the Gap? Any other large natural gas suppliers that will not charge an astronomical price to transport the gas needed to heat Western Europe? Hell NO. So i think we all need to pay close attention to what is going on behind the scenes. Everyone seems to think the US is going to over power every body for the sake of Kosovo. Wrong answer. I think Iraq and Afganistan was the last crusades for the US Military. There is not going to be any more rush to save the day. Kosovo is a Europeon issue not a US issue. Since the 1980's we have been riding to the resuce to help muslims, Beirut, 1st Gulf War, Somilia, Bosnia, Kosovo, afganistan and back to the Gulf. Almost everytime we get kick in the teeth after the day is saved. I don't believe there will be another rush to rescue. We should mind our own business and work on issue in the US. Leave the other mission to the countries in the Region we are not wanted there after the objectives have been accomplished for the abused party. When things do not go right for either party of concern it will be of course the US fault.

Roger7

pre 16 godina

Miri says…” no-one cares anymore what Serbia wants”.

If the above statement were true, the Kosovo issue would have gone to the UNSC for a vote.

More importantly, inflammatory comments (frequently posted by you), and not based on fact or intelligence, only serve to provoke anger and hatred.

Harry

pre 16 godina

Yes, 2 Cold War enemies of the US. Dont kid yourselves they are not doing it because they like Serbs.
Its just a game of chess.
Yes Serbia has improved its diplomatic onslaught but what ever happens Serbian police and army will never go back to the Albanian areas. Instead of going round the world the government should do more to befriend the Albanians.

lowe

pre 16 godina

I knew all along that Beijing would oppose an imposed solution. The Chinese during the Qing Dynasty were occupied and humiliated by the West (yes, I mean UK, France, Germany, etc)) who grabbed Hong Kong, Tientsin, Shanghai, Weihaiwei etc under what the Chinese called "unequal treaties". During those days, "No dogs and Chinese allowed" signs appeared on beaches in Shanghai. Why do you think there were so much celebrations when HongKong returned to Chinese rule in 1997 and the British were finally yanked out after 99 years?

The Chinese may be a totally different race and culture from the Serbs, but their sufferings at the hands of the Western powers in the 19th Century made them natural sympathizers to Serbia over Kosovo.

Moreover Chinese culture have a distinct preference for negotiations and mutual accomodation -- I know this from staying in Hong Kong for a few years and dealing with the ethnic Chinese there.

In short, these historical and cultural reasons made a negotiated compromise the ideal solution for the Chinese and an imposed one absolutely unacceptable.

miri

pre 16 godina

So What,

Whether China and Russia, or Russia only, or China only block the resolution in UNSC doesn't make any difference.

Unfortunately we all know that now resolution will passed in UNSC, independence will be achieved unilaterally with all its good and backwards consequences that will follow. As far as China's decision to recognize Kosovo unilaterally as an independence state,that remains to be seen.

It took 13 years for US to recognize Soviet Union so no bid deal there. (Kruschev memoirs)

Roger7

pre 16 godina

miri says..."If you feel provoked it's because of your one-sided view of the situation and the lack of tolerance towards people with different point of view'.

I have attached a post I entered a few weeks ago that clearly demonstrates that I am indeed tolerant and compassionate.

“There is no denying that atrocities occurred in the Balkans during the 90’s by all ethnic groups and how very sad that not one generation in that region has ever known peace. Every life is precious and every individual who committed a crime, regardless of their ethnicity, should answer for their chosen behavior.
I am not arrogant enough to claim to know what the solutions are for the people of the Balkans, enabling them to move forward to heal, forgive, and live prosperous and productive lives. I do know that it is NOT to preach constant condemnation and collective guilt of one ethnic group.
I am also interested in building bridges unlike some on this site, not because I benefit but, because the people of the Balkans deserve as much.”
Roger7

Americadecided

pre 16 godina

China is totally market dependant.It relies on the USA and it won`t change.Of course it`s a big player,second to USA but China is not militarily able to do anything.It does not have the technology and we all know USA posseses more than half of the world`s technology.America decided that Kosova be independent."Enough is Enough"...let the serbian media and serb people still dream of going back to occupy that land.The era of colonialist occupations has ended long time ago.

laki NY

pre 16 godina

canadien you forgot to add Canada while you at your imaginary supporters don’t stop on earth, add entire planetary system as well!

luke

pre 16 godina

i will make one thing clear now and forever - no matter what US, China, Russia or Serbia thinks.

albanians in kosova will never be under the serbia rule unless they are all killed. no one can force 2MM people to be slaves to serbs. albanians are peaceful people and they have never attacked anyone in serbia - ever. They want to live in peace in their own place.

Serbia started many wars over the last 15 years and lost them all. Kosova is the last chapter. Even Montenegro does not want anything to do with Serbia - why would ALbania. -- good luck and waste all your time and hope in other countries but kosova is albanian, was and will be forever. Just becuase certain countries do not support kosova independence (like Spain or CHina) it is not because it is not right but because of their own problems (basque and taiwan).

So grow up, look at reality and recognize that people have the right to live freely and no Serb will ever control Kosova.

Nehat Krasniqi

pre 16 godina

Princip-: Yes your right it is very impressive, this is the main reason why Russia blocked the veto and its working in Serbia's favour but their is no battle. Kosova is now independent that's why the Serbs are doing the running and the Albanians are not "when some is to blame, the one to blame is always the fist to say I didn't do it" we will declare independency soon after the 10 December, and the US and the rest of the civilised world will accept our will as the world know what you the serbs have done to the region. Only OPPRESSIVE countries such as russia and china would support you.

and finally this is all according to Vuk the Chine's govement have not declared anything 1. he could be lying 2. he could be twisting the truth and 3. If China didn't think it was important to hold a press conference I really don't think the meeting was that successful PRINCIP.

miri

pre 16 godina

To PB: "The UN was set up to try to resolve issue such as these."

And by that, I suppose, you mean that Serbia can justify its murderous acts against K-Abanians 8 years ago since, according to you, it is protected by int. law, right?

Well that's where you are out of sync here, since Serbia was first to break these laws in the most brutal way and such
no-one cares anymore what Serbia wants.

KS

pre 16 godina

This article has changed this reality, well no not really. Anyone could have guessed that China wasn't into "imposed" solution.

There are a lot of countries that aren't as optimistic for independence. Of course, success is measured by the numbers of failures and successes.

Independence is going to take a lot of work, no solution currently can fix the problem in the next 5 years. Independence will need 10 to 15 years of support. Some countries don't feel they should spend their money to improve that region because they are looking at short-effect not overall stability that an Rep. of Kosova can bring to whole Europe.

miri

pre 16 godina

To PB: "I hope you enjoyed the article about Spain not wanting to recognise Kosovo as it would set a precedent for the BAsque region."

Hey PB,
what article are you talking about? All I have seen is an article from a leftist press which in no way represent the view of Spanish government.
Can you present any official proof that Spain will NOT recognize the state of Kosovo?
All I can say you are too quick to draw conclusions.

Mustafa

pre 16 godina

Irrespective of what China, Russia and the likes have to say. The US will never allow the Serbian military or police back in Kosovo. The reality is the US along with EU holds the equity there and nobody else.

miri

pre 16 godina

To Roger7:
"More importantly, inflammatory comments (frequently posted by you), and not based on fact or intelligence, only serve to provoke anger and hatred."

I don't think my comments have any intention to provoke anything. On the contrary comments from the Serb camp, full of mocking and name calling have continously done that. If you feel provoked it's because of your one-sided view of the situation and the lack of tolerance towards people with different point of view. In an earlier posting you called my comments caustic for some reason that only you know. Now you are calling my comments provokative.

As far as my comment "no-one cares anymore what Serbia wants" you have to put it in the context that I posted it in order to understand it which is: If one can break int. law first, that same one doesn't have the right to ask others to respect the law towards itself because the other will not care about that. It seems that while you consider my comments too provocative or too caustic and you like to disregard them as such , in other hand though you don't miss the chance to "get back" to me in a very rude way.

Ron

pre 16 godina

Mustafa,

Then why isn't the US protecting Taiwan and Tibet? Why does the US not push for official Taiwanese independence?

Again, and please answer:
WHY A SPECIAL TREATMENT FOR KOSOVO?

Remember what the Chinese did in Tibet?
Why are there no NATO troops in Tibet NOW?

miri

pre 16 godina

To PB: "The UN was set up to try to resolve issue such as these."

And by that, I suppose, you mean that Serbia can justify its murderous acts against K-Abanians 8 years ago since, according to you, it is protected by int. law, right?

Well that's where you are out of sync here, since Serbia was first to break these laws in the most brutal way and such
no-one cares anymore what Serbia wants.

Nehat Krasniqi

pre 16 godina

Princip-: Yes your right it is very impressive, this is the main reason why Russia blocked the veto and its working in Serbia's favour but their is no battle. Kosova is now independent that's why the Serbs are doing the running and the Albanians are not "when some is to blame, the one to blame is always the fist to say I didn't do it" we will declare independency soon after the 10 December, and the US and the rest of the civilised world will accept our will as the world know what you the serbs have done to the region. Only OPPRESSIVE countries such as russia and china would support you.

and finally this is all according to Vuk the Chine's govement have not declared anything 1. he could be lying 2. he could be twisting the truth and 3. If China didn't think it was important to hold a press conference I really don't think the meeting was that successful PRINCIP.

miri

pre 16 godina

So What,

Whether China and Russia, or Russia only, or China only block the resolution in UNSC doesn't make any difference.

Unfortunately we all know that now resolution will passed in UNSC, independence will be achieved unilaterally with all its good and backwards consequences that will follow. As far as China's decision to recognize Kosovo unilaterally as an independence state,that remains to be seen.

It took 13 years for US to recognize Soviet Union so no bid deal there. (Kruschev memoirs)

laki NY

pre 16 godina

canadien you forgot to add Canada while you at your imaginary supporters don’t stop on earth, add entire planetary system as well!

KS

pre 16 godina

This article has changed this reality, well no not really. Anyone could have guessed that China wasn't into "imposed" solution.

There are a lot of countries that aren't as optimistic for independence. Of course, success is measured by the numbers of failures and successes.

Independence is going to take a lot of work, no solution currently can fix the problem in the next 5 years. Independence will need 10 to 15 years of support. Some countries don't feel they should spend their money to improve that region because they are looking at short-effect not overall stability that an Rep. of Kosova can bring to whole Europe.

Princip, UK

pre 16 godina

I am impressed with the diplomatic onslaught of the Serbian Government - it seems that there has been a well coordinated and almost non-stop tour of one representative of the government throughout Europe and in the rest of the world promoting Serbia and it's continued sovereignity - keep up the excellent work and build upon the excellent opportunities that abound.

PB

pre 16 godina

Nothing new here. China has previously stated that it would follow Russia's lead in the security council if a vote were to be held.

The Albanians like to cite Russia as the only country to vote against a proposed resolution, but the reality is that 2 major members would throw it out.

Canadien

pre 16 godina

It is not only China and Russia but also...

Romania, Slovakia, South Africa, India, Bulgaria, Hungary, Indonesia, Most of the other Asian countries, Brazil and most of the other South American Countries, as well as most of the Nordic countries. All and all this makes up over 70% of the world, so when the Albanians say that only Russia supports Serbia, they are way off! the fact is only the USA, UK and a few other countries really support Independence for Kosovo. By the way - France, Germany and Italy, could go either way, you cannot be sure about them.

PB

pre 16 godina

Miri - don't you know your history? You are trying to compare chalk with cheese. The "international rules" were completely different before the UN came along. The UN was set up to try to resolve issue such as these.

P.S. Hope you enjoyed the article about Spain not wanting to recognise Kosovo as it would set a precedent for the BAsque region.

Niall O'Doherty, Ireland

pre 16 godina

Mr Krasniqi's gem of, and I quote him in this, "Only OPPRESSIVE countries such as russia and china would support you". Good Lord, I didnt know whether to laugh or cry. So by your logical argument Mr. Krasniqi, Austria, Spain, Greece, Cyprus, Bulgaria, Slovakia, India, South Africa, Congo, indeed anybody opposed to Kosovo independence are all OPPRESSIVE countries, while those who support you are good. Indeed judging from this, if that is the best that the K-Albanian negotiating team can bring to the talks, then Serbia has it in the bag. Serbia's PR machine is well oiled and I'm very impressed of her diplomatic entourages recently.

Oh yes, the African Union has also come out against Kosovo Independence.

luciano

pre 16 godina

As an American it pains me to admit that China is the most important country in the 21st century.The US market of 300m pales in comparison to China's 1.3b.The age of the dragon is upon us and we must all respect its power because its fire is far reaching.If I remember correctly Albania was China's best friend in Europe because they considered the Soviet Union to be too WESTERN not too long ago.The times they are a changin(bob Dylan)

miri

pre 16 godina

To PB: "I hope you enjoyed the article about Spain not wanting to recognise Kosovo as it would set a precedent for the BAsque region."

Hey PB,
what article are you talking about? All I have seen is an article from a leftist press which in no way represent the view of Spanish government.
Can you present any official proof that Spain will NOT recognize the state of Kosovo?
All I can say you are too quick to draw conclusions.

Milan

pre 16 godina

TO MIRI:

"Spain is dead-set against independence for Kosovo. Alberto Navarro, Spain’s Secretary of State for the EU, has expressed concern that outside powers are deciding on the fate of another country and that this will lead to another European State splitting up. But Albertito, we know that’s not what you’re really worried about. Any Spanish government support for Kosovan independence would fire up nationalists in Spain, who would charge their leaders with hypocrisy for supporting independence movements outside Spain whilst railing against them domestically"

Find that. What have you got to say now?

Furthermore, China is larger than the EU PLUS AMERICA, so don't tempt the dragon. I think the world cares MUCH MORE about what China thinks than what Albanians want.

Jovan

pre 16 godina

altough I would like to emhasize that it doesn´t matter whether China is bigger than EU or not... what is really important, and that´s something I would emphasize indeed..., is that the number of countries that are expressing their "opinion" in that way is growing ( almost from day to day ) a few days ago it was Indonesia, now China...

let´s see what future brings!
I am confident. others won´t be very amused, I think.

Ron

pre 16 godina

KS,

Yes. An awful lot of energy has to be spent to Kosovo. So indeed within 10 years we see a peaceful province. Within Serbia. Within Europe.

Why change borders now, if Serbia/Kosovo is in Europe within some years?


ON CHINA:

Hope Russia AND China will both veto any resolution in the UNSC. Both countries know what effects Kosovo can have: minorities in their own state.

Americadecided

pre 16 godina

China is totally market dependant.It relies on the USA and it won`t change.Of course it`s a big player,second to USA but China is not militarily able to do anything.It does not have the technology and we all know USA posseses more than half of the world`s technology.America decided that Kosova be independent."Enough is Enough"...let the serbian media and serb people still dream of going back to occupy that land.The era of colonialist occupations has ended long time ago.

luke

pre 16 godina

i will make one thing clear now and forever - no matter what US, China, Russia or Serbia thinks.

albanians in kosova will never be under the serbia rule unless they are all killed. no one can force 2MM people to be slaves to serbs. albanians are peaceful people and they have never attacked anyone in serbia - ever. They want to live in peace in their own place.

Serbia started many wars over the last 15 years and lost them all. Kosova is the last chapter. Even Montenegro does not want anything to do with Serbia - why would ALbania. -- good luck and waste all your time and hope in other countries but kosova is albanian, was and will be forever. Just becuase certain countries do not support kosova independence (like Spain or CHina) it is not because it is not right but because of their own problems (basque and taiwan).

So grow up, look at reality and recognize that people have the right to live freely and no Serb will ever control Kosova.

Mustafa

pre 16 godina

Irrespective of what China, Russia and the likes have to say. The US will never allow the Serbian military or police back in Kosovo. The reality is the US along with EU holds the equity there and nobody else.

PB

pre 16 godina

Miri - i'll forgive you if you cannot read as i explained earlier why the war in Kosovo started. To repeat, the war started because the Albanian terrorists started the war - the KLA. THAT is against international law, and Serbia responded accordingly. The war in Kosovo is the fault of the ALbanians, NOT the Serbs.

Roger7

pre 16 godina

Miri says…” no-one cares anymore what Serbia wants”.

If the above statement were true, the Kosovo issue would have gone to the UNSC for a vote.

More importantly, inflammatory comments (frequently posted by you), and not based on fact or intelligence, only serve to provoke anger and hatred.

Harry

pre 16 godina

Yes, 2 Cold War enemies of the US. Dont kid yourselves they are not doing it because they like Serbs.
Its just a game of chess.
Yes Serbia has improved its diplomatic onslaught but what ever happens Serbian police and army will never go back to the Albanian areas. Instead of going round the world the government should do more to befriend the Albanians.

nodonedeal

pre 16 godina

OK, Albans - are you going to say that in addition to the Russians, the Chinese view is also unimportant? That the Kosovo status issue is just a EU problem? There is a lot of weight behind Serbia, you must agree to that?

nodonedeal

pre 16 godina

Harry, are you kidding - befriend the Albanians? Did you hear that the Albanians cleansed almost all non-Albanians out of Kosovo. They do don't want to befriend anyone in Kosovo, especially Serbs - unless of course that someone is providing them with protection or financing. Serbia is befriending nations that will be, and have been friendly towards them. CCCC

Jovan

pre 16 godina

...I can remember some, saying that Serbia and Russia are alone against the rest of the world, only a few days ago...

now there´s China against any illegal steps, and Indonesia, the biggest muslim country, too...
seems like the world is getting smaller and smaller every day! ...you can call it globalisation, my dear albanian friends.

lowe

pre 16 godina

I knew all along that Beijing would oppose an imposed solution. The Chinese during the Qing Dynasty were occupied and humiliated by the West (yes, I mean UK, France, Germany, etc)) who grabbed Hong Kong, Tientsin, Shanghai, Weihaiwei etc under what the Chinese called "unequal treaties". During those days, "No dogs and Chinese allowed" signs appeared on beaches in Shanghai. Why do you think there were so much celebrations when HongKong returned to Chinese rule in 1997 and the British were finally yanked out after 99 years?

The Chinese may be a totally different race and culture from the Serbs, but their sufferings at the hands of the Western powers in the 19th Century made them natural sympathizers to Serbia over Kosovo.

Moreover Chinese culture have a distinct preference for negotiations and mutual accomodation -- I know this from staying in Hong Kong for a few years and dealing with the ethnic Chinese there.

In short, these historical and cultural reasons made a negotiated compromise the ideal solution for the Chinese and an imposed one absolutely unacceptable.

JHam

pre 16 godina

I am sure China has it's own interest in this Kosovo business. They know what is going on there they have there informants so. They do not want to be bother by Tibet or any other problems (Taiwan) wanting to Separate. Already Taiwan is on it's on but not on paper. China allows this do you see Taiwan wanting to declare independence? No, because before they know they will have 500,000 screaming chinese troops on there door step and the US and the UN will not do anything to stop them. China does not need the US it is the US who needs China. Currently they are largest investor in the US do you think we would kick over china's ant hill? NO, the EU does not want to irritate Russia that is the largest supplier of Natural Gas at a Fair price. No who is going to fill the Gap? Any other large natural gas suppliers that will not charge an astronomical price to transport the gas needed to heat Western Europe? Hell NO. So i think we all need to pay close attention to what is going on behind the scenes. Everyone seems to think the US is going to over power every body for the sake of Kosovo. Wrong answer. I think Iraq and Afganistan was the last crusades for the US Military. There is not going to be any more rush to save the day. Kosovo is a Europeon issue not a US issue. Since the 1980's we have been riding to the resuce to help muslims, Beirut, 1st Gulf War, Somilia, Bosnia, Kosovo, afganistan and back to the Gulf. Almost everytime we get kick in the teeth after the day is saved. I don't believe there will be another rush to rescue. We should mind our own business and work on issue in the US. Leave the other mission to the countries in the Region we are not wanted there after the objectives have been accomplished for the abused party. When things do not go right for either party of concern it will be of course the US fault.

miri

pre 16 godina

To Roger7:
"More importantly, inflammatory comments (frequently posted by you), and not based on fact or intelligence, only serve to provoke anger and hatred."

I don't think my comments have any intention to provoke anything. On the contrary comments from the Serb camp, full of mocking and name calling have continously done that. If you feel provoked it's because of your one-sided view of the situation and the lack of tolerance towards people with different point of view. In an earlier posting you called my comments caustic for some reason that only you know. Now you are calling my comments provokative.

As far as my comment "no-one cares anymore what Serbia wants" you have to put it in the context that I posted it in order to understand it which is: If one can break int. law first, that same one doesn't have the right to ask others to respect the law towards itself because the other will not care about that. It seems that while you consider my comments too provocative or too caustic and you like to disregard them as such , in other hand though you don't miss the chance to "get back" to me in a very rude way.

Roger7

pre 16 godina

miri says..."If you feel provoked it's because of your one-sided view of the situation and the lack of tolerance towards people with different point of view'.

I have attached a post I entered a few weeks ago that clearly demonstrates that I am indeed tolerant and compassionate.

“There is no denying that atrocities occurred in the Balkans during the 90’s by all ethnic groups and how very sad that not one generation in that region has ever known peace. Every life is precious and every individual who committed a crime, regardless of their ethnicity, should answer for their chosen behavior.
I am not arrogant enough to claim to know what the solutions are for the people of the Balkans, enabling them to move forward to heal, forgive, and live prosperous and productive lives. I do know that it is NOT to preach constant condemnation and collective guilt of one ethnic group.
I am also interested in building bridges unlike some on this site, not because I benefit but, because the people of the Balkans deserve as much.”
Roger7

Ron

pre 16 godina

Mustafa,

Then why isn't the US protecting Taiwan and Tibet? Why does the US not push for official Taiwanese independence?

Again, and please answer:
WHY A SPECIAL TREATMENT FOR KOSOVO?

Remember what the Chinese did in Tibet?
Why are there no NATO troops in Tibet NOW?