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Tuesday, 11.09.2007.

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Priština daily: Koštunica pushes Kosovo partition

Priština daily Koha Ditore writes that Vojislav Koštunica is offering a partition of Kosovo as a compromise.

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Jovan

pre 16 godina

"To my Serbian people and the Albanians, most of us want to have Kosovo out right. But please take into consideration partion. The Serbian people really do not want the Albanians part of their country & the Albanians do not want to be part of Serbia. This is that moment that we can have our cake and eat it to. Serbia will lose more out of this, because of the land loss. But will wash the hands of the people that are not loyal to Serbia . And the Albanians will have their independence of their half from Serbia. Lets give partition a chance and draw that line in the sand. We can't live together because of the hate for one another. this is the only way we can have peace. For the Serbs in S-Kosovo please for Gods sake move north and live freely with no fear any more.
(Delije, 11. September 2007 19:19)"

Delija, you are completely wrong on this!

there is nothing to be divided, Albanians have Albania. Kosovo is all serbian, culturally, historically, legally.

times will change, and Albanians will have to accept reality, just as France and Germany overcame their centuries-long struggle.

but until that happens, Kosovo stays what it is ( remember UNSC 1244 ) serbian territory!

and there is absolutely no reason to draw any lines into the sand.

Niall O'Doherty, Ireland

pre 16 godina

"Many of the Serbs, who left Kosovo and feared for their lives committed crimes against K-Albanians. As an American I remember reading stories about K-Serbs guiding Serbian paratroopers to K-Albanian houses or participating in killings and expulsions. I am even surprised" - Joe

No doubt Joe it did happen and I dont condone it,but the vast majority of people ethnically cleansed by the KLA from Kosovo were innocents who happened to be Serbs, Jews, Croats & Roma, i.e. not Albanian.

lowe

pre 16 godina

"I am even surprised that so many Serbs still remain in S-Kosovo.
(Joe, 12. September 2007 02:49) "
And they control the north too. Irks you doesn't it?

Joe

pre 16 godina

Delije,
Many of the Serbs, who left Kosovo and feared for their lives committed crimes against K-Albanians. As an American I remember reading stories about K-Serbs guiding Serbian paratroopers to K-Albanian houses or participating in killings and expulsions. I am even surprised that so many Serbs still remain in S-Kosovo.

Delije

pre 16 godina

Ron, Kosovo can't be taken from Serbia with out their blessing, and I love that. But I can't stand the treatment of my people in s-Kosovo. They are treated worse than animals. Serbia is more than battel grounds and churchs, it's also the people. I want Kosovo w/out the problems. I want my people to move freely, and not live behind barbed wire. My father in laws entire family moved from Orhaovac by a military convoy to Belgrade, because they feared for their lives. I have heard first hand stories how his friends & some family were being executed by the kla while others cut through ropes with a pocket knife to escape to Serbia proper via the forests. Weather it's autonomy or independence the Serbs in s-Kosovo have no future. The police are former kla, the gov is former kla leaders and your only security are foreign troop, that can care less for them. I would trade all of s-Kosovo for the lives of my people that live their. I'm for partition.

a

pre 16 godina

Funny that a croat is complaining about partitioning Bosnian!
the Bosnian croats also partitioned a part of bosnia, killing thousands of muslims in the process.

M.Shanks

pre 16 godina

"Some Albanian posters have been boasting about how many babies Kosovo Albanian women have, and saying that Serbs aren't welcome back into Kosovo", said Kate.
Can you show me one of those coments just the way you wrote.

Pera

pre 16 godina

If there is to be a partition of Kosovo the Serbs must ensure that the monestaries of Pec, Decani and Gracanica (which I believe are in southern Kosovo)are given independence. Their status should be equivalent to the vatican in Rome, states within a state.

The Serbs who have independence forced on them should be compensated giving them the opportunity to move north perhaps the US can fund this. Since the US are so keen on giving independence to some, I say give independence to all, RS included.

Joe

pre 16 godina

It looks like a desperate face saving attempt of Kalasnikov Kostunica to save at least few square meters of Kocobo. In reality Kosovo was lost for Serbia already in 1999.

Cvele

pre 16 godina

Congratulations
You figured me out ximi.
I am really anti Serb. I mean I know for a fact Kosovo is a state. I read an atlas. There it is. But it appears to be attached to something a lot bigger then itself. I guess I was wrong. It is not a state after all.

I had no idea this was confiremed in the UN resolution 1244. Signed by US and all. Can you believe it that the bunch in Washington after bombing Serbia for nearly 3 months didnt even get it to consceed to granting Kosovo independence.

hermon

pre 16 godina

Wow drongo,
Kosovar newspapers are not good for you, Reuters is not good for you. CNN probably too.
Do you think only what comes out of Beograde is reliable for you.

Ron

pre 16 godina

Delije,

Yes, I hate to say, but if you can't live together... split if. If Serba agrees, because Serbia can still say no to EVERY proposal.
Yep, international law. You may not like that. But hey, does the Tibet people like the government in Beijing?


ximi,

You KNOW Kosovo is just a province of Serbia!

PB

pre 16 godina

Miri - who mentioned anything about the Basque region leaving Europe?? Just because they want independence, it does not prevent them from remaining within the EU - what planet are you on?

ximi

pre 16 godina

Cvele
Part of your comment earlier…
You wrote: ‘this is only a biased opinion of a state controlled media’ Do you mean State of Kosova?
You are admitting that Kosova is a State, it’s only normal, it’s in your mind, and sometimes is difficult to keep it in –it sleeps out sooner or later. Or was it an error of expression/phrase from you.

Delije

pre 16 godina

To my Serbian people and the Albanians, most of us want to have Kosovo out right. But please take into consideration partion. The Serbian people really do not want the Albanians part of their country & the Albanians do not want to be part of Serbia. This is that moment that we can have our cake and eat it to. Serbia will lose more out of this, because of the land loss. But will wash the hands of the people that are not loyal to Serbia . And the Albanians will have their independence of their half from Serbia. Lets give partition a chance and draw that line in the sand. We can't live together because of the hate for one another. this is the only way we can have peace. For the Serbs in S-Kosovo please for Gods sake move north and live freely with no fear any more.

drongo

pre 16 godina

yeah, i'm really going to believe it when it's:

- in an UNSOURCED report in a Kosovo Albanian newspaper;

- owned by Vetan Sukhoi, a member of the ethnic Albanian talks "Team of Separtism";

- and republished by that hype-stricken Reuters agency again without sourcing.

Lazarevic fell out with Kostunica years ago, remembers?

Cvele

pre 16 godina

Exactly! Unless we are privileged to know who these sources are this is only a biased opinion of a state controlled media. I resent that such biased information without any substance could be released. It is the newspapers duty to report fact and not some we say so fiction. Without the source this article is meaningless.

test

pre 16 godina

Koha Ditore is definitely one of the most independent and reliable Newspapers in the region of ex-Yougoslavia. Many diplomats and experts engaged in the issues of ex-Yu republics will confirm this. It is this newspaper that was the first to publish the "Ramboulliet Agreement" in 1999, the first to publish key points of the Ahtisaari Plan and the first in many other issues. Even Belgrade media (B92, beta, etc) can confirm the reliability and serious sources of Koha Ditore.

lowe

pre 16 godina

So who are these anonymous but "reliable" sources????? Why are they so unidentifiable????? .......
Are they spies from Pristina or the West who have infiltrated Kostunica's circle???? How come they know so much about Kostunica that even his own government and people don't? ..... or maybe the newspaper couldn't name them because they don't exist ..... next thing we will be reading about
these "unidentified but reliable" sources telling us the color of Kostunica's pyjamas last night. Or maybe abaout his secret mistress somewhere in Timbuktu! Please!!!!

Olf

pre 16 godina

Kostunica trying to get as much as possible form a lost cause. I believe that Kosova will not be partitioned since there is nothing to partition. Kosova as a whole will adopt Ahtisari plan. Ahtisari plan offers far to much to Serbian small minority . I suggest that Serbia offers the same to Albanians in the Presheva valley and to Hungarians in Vojvodina

Cvele

pre 16 godina

Laki
I dont understand how I was racist but OK, if you can explain it to me I will apologize.

As for the second part of your post. I cant speak for Kate or Princip or anyone but myself. So I will tell you for my part if thats what it takes...

Ximi
I agree with you 100%.

CCCC

ximi

pre 16 godina

This is so naïve! I think even if there is an article that says the water is wet, you will still disagree- if the information-source is from Kosovo, Serbs will categorically disagree, and other way around. Don’t get me wrong, arguments and disagreements are a healthy thing to do, but they have to be based on subject and need some logic, not just for sake of it.
I thing we might be able to agree on this one – Both Albanians and Serbs are having worst standard of life and perspective for the future in whole Europe. Do we agree?
Ximi

Jovan

pre 16 godina

koha what?

who is reading that kind of yellow press?

didn´t they also predict that the "one and only global superpower" would back down and tell "their price", according to some smart boys here?

keep on dreaming...
Kosovo is serbian, all of it.
no need to divide anything...

laki NY

pre 16 godina

Cvele your typical discriminatory, racist, anti-Albanian attitude is the reason we wont accept anything less then independence.
There is one exception though we will accept you version of “autonomy” when you(you can take Princip, raso/ratko, kate , ..) can personally go in Prishtina and deliver it yourself!

village-bey

pre 16 godina

Kate
Well it is a good thing that you acknowledge that us Albanians do not think alike at the same time. I thought I would have problem passing the first hurdle but I see that the rational thinking is still prevalent in UK.
As for Kosova being multiethnic I strongly believe that it will. Conflicts like their causes are not permanent phenomena. You have to give allowances for a bloody war waged on us only eight years ago.
I have to disagree with you on the signs too. I personally think the reverse. The main stumbling block I would say is the Serbian attitude.
Serbian thinking towards the Albanians has not changed much in the last 100 years. It is perplexing to be faced by irrational hatred and generalisations by representatives of a nation whose claims to Kosova are constantly linked to civilisation process. Not long ago one of their PMs really believed that we Albanians had tails and slept on tree trunks. I do hope that the posts I have seen here are not generic representations of the Serbian society views. This mindset is a real and direct obstacle for peace and progress.

Princip, UK

pre 16 godina

Forgot to include the link for the quote by the Maltese Foreign Minister,
http://www.independent.com.mt/news.asp?newsitemid=57221

Village-bey,
Koha Ditore is for local consumption and it is sending out this story so that your leadership can suss out opinion but not look like it is their own panic in the ranks. Come on do you really believe it has access to "reliable sources" in the Serbian Goverment? Yes right just as reliable as the sources it had that said definitivly Independence in 2006!

I think you will find it is many in the EU who have put forward partition for fact the Dutch were pushing it despite Rehn saying no-one in the international community had - read my comments (14 & 16);
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=43575

I am surprised that the favoured option that seems to be being forged by the EU is partition - one would have thought this would be their worst case scenario. It reminds me of some hard-core nationalist sentiment that different ethnic groups cannot live together - makes me wonder if some in the EU are hoping the Serbs did ditch its ethnic-Albanian citizens who would be trapped in and offered countless excuses for not being allowed in the EU - just a thought!

Victor

pre 16 godina

Thank you Mr Kostunica, but this is not what the people of KOSOVA want. Your people have succeeded in achieving the partition of Bosnia, and GOT AWAY WITH IT.

THIS MUST NOT BE ACHIEVED a second time. The people of Kosovo want INDEPENDENCE and nothing else.

HAVE YOU WELL UNDERSTOOD?

Cvele

pre 16 godina

HAHAHA ALBANS
Thats funny. Pristina daily reports something. Might as well let RS report pristina agrees to autonomy.

This is a hope by the Pristina regime to get the South of our province now. IT WONT HAPPEN. ACCEPT AUTONOMY.

Whats even funnier is the fact that without the North, South has no chance of survival. Or anyway to repay their loans which up to now is how US/EU/NATO have been exploiting them.

kate

pre 16 godina

Village Bey: "A democratic multi-ethnic Kosova"

There have been no signs at all that Kosovo wishes to be multi-ethnic or progressive. Some Albanian posters have been boasting about how many babies Kosovo Albanian women have, and saying that Serbs aren't welcome back into Kosovo.

Certainly not EU friendly modern attitudes.

Princip, UK

pre 16 godina

"Koha Ditore - citing reliable sources"

- as reliable as the sources that Koha Ditore stated that they would Russia would roll over & independence was a formality to handed on the plate in Nov. 2006!

This has to be a cover story for the fact that the EU unity means no illegal recognition. Maltese Foreign Minister;
"Dr Frendo said that, while keeping in view the right to self-determination, even such a United Nations Security Council resolution which endorsed the independence of a state from territory “hived off” from that of another sovereign state without the consent of that state, in itself, would be a very exceptional procedure with possible far-reaching consequences. "

So if the UN process is seen as exceptional by the Maltese I think we can rationally equate ILLEGAL methods espoused by the US as something beyond exceptional and highly unlikely to ever be the case! I guess this explains the panic in Koha Dotore to sus out the public view over partition.

raso

pre 16 godina

poor propaganda-attempts to weaken iron kostunica!

1.) why should he offer something that´s allready his? indiependence is off the table, taiwanisation will lead automatically to a partition, just if kostunica realy wouldn´t try to liberate the rest of kosovo imediatly. so, albanians with their self-proclamation brought partition on the table.

2.) if he wanted partition, he would have done it not even 2 weeks ago, when it was on the table.

but then, there is again point 1 coming into the game: why should he ask anybody for the liberated parts of kosmet?


but most important: stop writing from pristinar "newspapers", the one that for 8 years now promise indiependence!

village-bey

pre 16 godina

Now Mr Kostunica needs to lower his aim again. A democratic multi-ethnic Kosova would be a more realistic objective for his government.

Victor

pre 16 godina

Thank you Mr Kostunica, but this is not what the people of KOSOVA want. Your people have succeeded in achieving the partition of Bosnia, and GOT AWAY WITH IT.

THIS MUST NOT BE ACHIEVED a second time. The people of Kosovo want INDEPENDENCE and nothing else.

HAVE YOU WELL UNDERSTOOD?

village-bey

pre 16 godina

Now Mr Kostunica needs to lower his aim again. A democratic multi-ethnic Kosova would be a more realistic objective for his government.

kate

pre 16 godina

Village Bey: "A democratic multi-ethnic Kosova"

There have been no signs at all that Kosovo wishes to be multi-ethnic or progressive. Some Albanian posters have been boasting about how many babies Kosovo Albanian women have, and saying that Serbs aren't welcome back into Kosovo.

Certainly not EU friendly modern attitudes.

Cvele

pre 16 godina

HAHAHA ALBANS
Thats funny. Pristina daily reports something. Might as well let RS report pristina agrees to autonomy.

This is a hope by the Pristina regime to get the South of our province now. IT WONT HAPPEN. ACCEPT AUTONOMY.

Whats even funnier is the fact that without the North, South has no chance of survival. Or anyway to repay their loans which up to now is how US/EU/NATO have been exploiting them.

village-bey

pre 16 godina

Kate
Well it is a good thing that you acknowledge that us Albanians do not think alike at the same time. I thought I would have problem passing the first hurdle but I see that the rational thinking is still prevalent in UK.
As for Kosova being multiethnic I strongly believe that it will. Conflicts like their causes are not permanent phenomena. You have to give allowances for a bloody war waged on us only eight years ago.
I have to disagree with you on the signs too. I personally think the reverse. The main stumbling block I would say is the Serbian attitude.
Serbian thinking towards the Albanians has not changed much in the last 100 years. It is perplexing to be faced by irrational hatred and generalisations by representatives of a nation whose claims to Kosova are constantly linked to civilisation process. Not long ago one of their PMs really believed that we Albanians had tails and slept on tree trunks. I do hope that the posts I have seen here are not generic representations of the Serbian society views. This mindset is a real and direct obstacle for peace and progress.

ximi

pre 16 godina

This is so naïve! I think even if there is an article that says the water is wet, you will still disagree- if the information-source is from Kosovo, Serbs will categorically disagree, and other way around. Don’t get me wrong, arguments and disagreements are a healthy thing to do, but they have to be based on subject and need some logic, not just for sake of it.
I thing we might be able to agree on this one – Both Albanians and Serbs are having worst standard of life and perspective for the future in whole Europe. Do we agree?
Ximi

raso

pre 16 godina

poor propaganda-attempts to weaken iron kostunica!

1.) why should he offer something that´s allready his? indiependence is off the table, taiwanisation will lead automatically to a partition, just if kostunica realy wouldn´t try to liberate the rest of kosovo imediatly. so, albanians with their self-proclamation brought partition on the table.

2.) if he wanted partition, he would have done it not even 2 weeks ago, when it was on the table.

but then, there is again point 1 coming into the game: why should he ask anybody for the liberated parts of kosmet?


but most important: stop writing from pristinar "newspapers", the one that for 8 years now promise indiependence!

Princip, UK

pre 16 godina

"Koha Ditore - citing reliable sources"

- as reliable as the sources that Koha Ditore stated that they would Russia would roll over & independence was a formality to handed on the plate in Nov. 2006!

This has to be a cover story for the fact that the EU unity means no illegal recognition. Maltese Foreign Minister;
"Dr Frendo said that, while keeping in view the right to self-determination, even such a United Nations Security Council resolution which endorsed the independence of a state from territory “hived off” from that of another sovereign state without the consent of that state, in itself, would be a very exceptional procedure with possible far-reaching consequences. "

So if the UN process is seen as exceptional by the Maltese I think we can rationally equate ILLEGAL methods espoused by the US as something beyond exceptional and highly unlikely to ever be the case! I guess this explains the panic in Koha Dotore to sus out the public view over partition.

Princip, UK

pre 16 godina

Forgot to include the link for the quote by the Maltese Foreign Minister,
http://www.independent.com.mt/news.asp?newsitemid=57221

Village-bey,
Koha Ditore is for local consumption and it is sending out this story so that your leadership can suss out opinion but not look like it is their own panic in the ranks. Come on do you really believe it has access to "reliable sources" in the Serbian Goverment? Yes right just as reliable as the sources it had that said definitivly Independence in 2006!

I think you will find it is many in the EU who have put forward partition for fact the Dutch were pushing it despite Rehn saying no-one in the international community had - read my comments (14 & 16);
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=43575

I am surprised that the favoured option that seems to be being forged by the EU is partition - one would have thought this would be their worst case scenario. It reminds me of some hard-core nationalist sentiment that different ethnic groups cannot live together - makes me wonder if some in the EU are hoping the Serbs did ditch its ethnic-Albanian citizens who would be trapped in and offered countless excuses for not being allowed in the EU - just a thought!

Jovan

pre 16 godina

koha what?

who is reading that kind of yellow press?

didn´t they also predict that the "one and only global superpower" would back down and tell "their price", according to some smart boys here?

keep on dreaming...
Kosovo is serbian, all of it.
no need to divide anything...

laki NY

pre 16 godina

Cvele your typical discriminatory, racist, anti-Albanian attitude is the reason we wont accept anything less then independence.
There is one exception though we will accept you version of “autonomy” when you(you can take Princip, raso/ratko, kate , ..) can personally go in Prishtina and deliver it yourself!

Olf

pre 16 godina

Kostunica trying to get as much as possible form a lost cause. I believe that Kosova will not be partitioned since there is nothing to partition. Kosova as a whole will adopt Ahtisari plan. Ahtisari plan offers far to much to Serbian small minority . I suggest that Serbia offers the same to Albanians in the Presheva valley and to Hungarians in Vojvodina

test

pre 16 godina

Koha Ditore is definitely one of the most independent and reliable Newspapers in the region of ex-Yougoslavia. Many diplomats and experts engaged in the issues of ex-Yu republics will confirm this. It is this newspaper that was the first to publish the "Ramboulliet Agreement" in 1999, the first to publish key points of the Ahtisaari Plan and the first in many other issues. Even Belgrade media (B92, beta, etc) can confirm the reliability and serious sources of Koha Ditore.

ximi

pre 16 godina

Cvele
Part of your comment earlier…
You wrote: ‘this is only a biased opinion of a state controlled media’ Do you mean State of Kosova?
You are admitting that Kosova is a State, it’s only normal, it’s in your mind, and sometimes is difficult to keep it in –it sleeps out sooner or later. Or was it an error of expression/phrase from you.

M.Shanks

pre 16 godina

"Some Albanian posters have been boasting about how many babies Kosovo Albanian women have, and saying that Serbs aren't welcome back into Kosovo", said Kate.
Can you show me one of those coments just the way you wrote.

Cvele

pre 16 godina

Congratulations
You figured me out ximi.
I am really anti Serb. I mean I know for a fact Kosovo is a state. I read an atlas. There it is. But it appears to be attached to something a lot bigger then itself. I guess I was wrong. It is not a state after all.

I had no idea this was confiremed in the UN resolution 1244. Signed by US and all. Can you believe it that the bunch in Washington after bombing Serbia for nearly 3 months didnt even get it to consceed to granting Kosovo independence.

hermon

pre 16 godina

Wow drongo,
Kosovar newspapers are not good for you, Reuters is not good for you. CNN probably too.
Do you think only what comes out of Beograde is reliable for you.

Cvele

pre 16 godina

Laki
I dont understand how I was racist but OK, if you can explain it to me I will apologize.

As for the second part of your post. I cant speak for Kate or Princip or anyone but myself. So I will tell you for my part if thats what it takes...

Ximi
I agree with you 100%.

CCCC

lowe

pre 16 godina

So who are these anonymous but "reliable" sources????? Why are they so unidentifiable????? .......
Are they spies from Pristina or the West who have infiltrated Kostunica's circle???? How come they know so much about Kostunica that even his own government and people don't? ..... or maybe the newspaper couldn't name them because they don't exist ..... next thing we will be reading about
these "unidentified but reliable" sources telling us the color of Kostunica's pyjamas last night. Or maybe abaout his secret mistress somewhere in Timbuktu! Please!!!!

Cvele

pre 16 godina

Exactly! Unless we are privileged to know who these sources are this is only a biased opinion of a state controlled media. I resent that such biased information without any substance could be released. It is the newspapers duty to report fact and not some we say so fiction. Without the source this article is meaningless.

Delije

pre 16 godina

To my Serbian people and the Albanians, most of us want to have Kosovo out right. But please take into consideration partion. The Serbian people really do not want the Albanians part of their country & the Albanians do not want to be part of Serbia. This is that moment that we can have our cake and eat it to. Serbia will lose more out of this, because of the land loss. But will wash the hands of the people that are not loyal to Serbia . And the Albanians will have their independence of their half from Serbia. Lets give partition a chance and draw that line in the sand. We can't live together because of the hate for one another. this is the only way we can have peace. For the Serbs in S-Kosovo please for Gods sake move north and live freely with no fear any more.

Ron

pre 16 godina

Delije,

Yes, I hate to say, but if you can't live together... split if. If Serba agrees, because Serbia can still say no to EVERY proposal.
Yep, international law. You may not like that. But hey, does the Tibet people like the government in Beijing?


ximi,

You KNOW Kosovo is just a province of Serbia!

Pera

pre 16 godina

If there is to be a partition of Kosovo the Serbs must ensure that the monestaries of Pec, Decani and Gracanica (which I believe are in southern Kosovo)are given independence. Their status should be equivalent to the vatican in Rome, states within a state.

The Serbs who have independence forced on them should be compensated giving them the opportunity to move north perhaps the US can fund this. Since the US are so keen on giving independence to some, I say give independence to all, RS included.

Delije

pre 16 godina

Ron, Kosovo can't be taken from Serbia with out their blessing, and I love that. But I can't stand the treatment of my people in s-Kosovo. They are treated worse than animals. Serbia is more than battel grounds and churchs, it's also the people. I want Kosovo w/out the problems. I want my people to move freely, and not live behind barbed wire. My father in laws entire family moved from Orhaovac by a military convoy to Belgrade, because they feared for their lives. I have heard first hand stories how his friends & some family were being executed by the kla while others cut through ropes with a pocket knife to escape to Serbia proper via the forests. Weather it's autonomy or independence the Serbs in s-Kosovo have no future. The police are former kla, the gov is former kla leaders and your only security are foreign troop, that can care less for them. I would trade all of s-Kosovo for the lives of my people that live their. I'm for partition.

drongo

pre 16 godina

yeah, i'm really going to believe it when it's:

- in an UNSOURCED report in a Kosovo Albanian newspaper;

- owned by Vetan Sukhoi, a member of the ethnic Albanian talks "Team of Separtism";

- and republished by that hype-stricken Reuters agency again without sourcing.

Lazarevic fell out with Kostunica years ago, remembers?

PB

pre 16 godina

Miri - who mentioned anything about the Basque region leaving Europe?? Just because they want independence, it does not prevent them from remaining within the EU - what planet are you on?

Joe

pre 16 godina

It looks like a desperate face saving attempt of Kalasnikov Kostunica to save at least few square meters of Kocobo. In reality Kosovo was lost for Serbia already in 1999.

a

pre 16 godina

Funny that a croat is complaining about partitioning Bosnian!
the Bosnian croats also partitioned a part of bosnia, killing thousands of muslims in the process.

Joe

pre 16 godina

Delije,
Many of the Serbs, who left Kosovo and feared for their lives committed crimes against K-Albanians. As an American I remember reading stories about K-Serbs guiding Serbian paratroopers to K-Albanian houses or participating in killings and expulsions. I am even surprised that so many Serbs still remain in S-Kosovo.

lowe

pre 16 godina

"I am even surprised that so many Serbs still remain in S-Kosovo.
(Joe, 12. September 2007 02:49) "
And they control the north too. Irks you doesn't it?

Niall O'Doherty, Ireland

pre 16 godina

"Many of the Serbs, who left Kosovo and feared for their lives committed crimes against K-Albanians. As an American I remember reading stories about K-Serbs guiding Serbian paratroopers to K-Albanian houses or participating in killings and expulsions. I am even surprised" - Joe

No doubt Joe it did happen and I dont condone it,but the vast majority of people ethnically cleansed by the KLA from Kosovo were innocents who happened to be Serbs, Jews, Croats & Roma, i.e. not Albanian.

Jovan

pre 16 godina

"To my Serbian people and the Albanians, most of us want to have Kosovo out right. But please take into consideration partion. The Serbian people really do not want the Albanians part of their country & the Albanians do not want to be part of Serbia. This is that moment that we can have our cake and eat it to. Serbia will lose more out of this, because of the land loss. But will wash the hands of the people that are not loyal to Serbia . And the Albanians will have their independence of their half from Serbia. Lets give partition a chance and draw that line in the sand. We can't live together because of the hate for one another. this is the only way we can have peace. For the Serbs in S-Kosovo please for Gods sake move north and live freely with no fear any more.
(Delije, 11. September 2007 19:19)"

Delija, you are completely wrong on this!

there is nothing to be divided, Albanians have Albania. Kosovo is all serbian, culturally, historically, legally.

times will change, and Albanians will have to accept reality, just as France and Germany overcame their centuries-long struggle.

but until that happens, Kosovo stays what it is ( remember UNSC 1244 ) serbian territory!

and there is absolutely no reason to draw any lines into the sand.

Victor

pre 16 godina

Thank you Mr Kostunica, but this is not what the people of KOSOVA want. Your people have succeeded in achieving the partition of Bosnia, and GOT AWAY WITH IT.

THIS MUST NOT BE ACHIEVED a second time. The people of Kosovo want INDEPENDENCE and nothing else.

HAVE YOU WELL UNDERSTOOD?

Olf

pre 16 godina

Kostunica trying to get as much as possible form a lost cause. I believe that Kosova will not be partitioned since there is nothing to partition. Kosova as a whole will adopt Ahtisari plan. Ahtisari plan offers far to much to Serbian small minority . I suggest that Serbia offers the same to Albanians in the Presheva valley and to Hungarians in Vojvodina

raso

pre 16 godina

poor propaganda-attempts to weaken iron kostunica!

1.) why should he offer something that´s allready his? indiependence is off the table, taiwanisation will lead automatically to a partition, just if kostunica realy wouldn´t try to liberate the rest of kosovo imediatly. so, albanians with their self-proclamation brought partition on the table.

2.) if he wanted partition, he would have done it not even 2 weeks ago, when it was on the table.

but then, there is again point 1 coming into the game: why should he ask anybody for the liberated parts of kosmet?


but most important: stop writing from pristinar "newspapers", the one that for 8 years now promise indiependence!

Princip, UK

pre 16 godina

"Koha Ditore - citing reliable sources"

- as reliable as the sources that Koha Ditore stated that they would Russia would roll over & independence was a formality to handed on the plate in Nov. 2006!

This has to be a cover story for the fact that the EU unity means no illegal recognition. Maltese Foreign Minister;
"Dr Frendo said that, while keeping in view the right to self-determination, even such a United Nations Security Council resolution which endorsed the independence of a state from territory “hived off” from that of another sovereign state without the consent of that state, in itself, would be a very exceptional procedure with possible far-reaching consequences. "

So if the UN process is seen as exceptional by the Maltese I think we can rationally equate ILLEGAL methods espoused by the US as something beyond exceptional and highly unlikely to ever be the case! I guess this explains the panic in Koha Dotore to sus out the public view over partition.

kate

pre 16 godina

Village Bey: "A democratic multi-ethnic Kosova"

There have been no signs at all that Kosovo wishes to be multi-ethnic or progressive. Some Albanian posters have been boasting about how many babies Kosovo Albanian women have, and saying that Serbs aren't welcome back into Kosovo.

Certainly not EU friendly modern attitudes.

Cvele

pre 16 godina

HAHAHA ALBANS
Thats funny. Pristina daily reports something. Might as well let RS report pristina agrees to autonomy.

This is a hope by the Pristina regime to get the South of our province now. IT WONT HAPPEN. ACCEPT AUTONOMY.

Whats even funnier is the fact that without the North, South has no chance of survival. Or anyway to repay their loans which up to now is how US/EU/NATO have been exploiting them.

hermon

pre 16 godina

Wow drongo,
Kosovar newspapers are not good for you, Reuters is not good for you. CNN probably too.
Do you think only what comes out of Beograde is reliable for you.

village-bey

pre 16 godina

Now Mr Kostunica needs to lower his aim again. A democratic multi-ethnic Kosova would be a more realistic objective for his government.

Princip, UK

pre 16 godina

Forgot to include the link for the quote by the Maltese Foreign Minister,
http://www.independent.com.mt/news.asp?newsitemid=57221

Village-bey,
Koha Ditore is for local consumption and it is sending out this story so that your leadership can suss out opinion but not look like it is their own panic in the ranks. Come on do you really believe it has access to "reliable sources" in the Serbian Goverment? Yes right just as reliable as the sources it had that said definitivly Independence in 2006!

I think you will find it is many in the EU who have put forward partition for fact the Dutch were pushing it despite Rehn saying no-one in the international community had - read my comments (14 & 16);
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=43575

I am surprised that the favoured option that seems to be being forged by the EU is partition - one would have thought this would be their worst case scenario. It reminds me of some hard-core nationalist sentiment that different ethnic groups cannot live together - makes me wonder if some in the EU are hoping the Serbs did ditch its ethnic-Albanian citizens who would be trapped in and offered countless excuses for not being allowed in the EU - just a thought!

Jovan

pre 16 godina

koha what?

who is reading that kind of yellow press?

didn´t they also predict that the "one and only global superpower" would back down and tell "their price", according to some smart boys here?

keep on dreaming...
Kosovo is serbian, all of it.
no need to divide anything...

laki NY

pre 16 godina

Cvele your typical discriminatory, racist, anti-Albanian attitude is the reason we wont accept anything less then independence.
There is one exception though we will accept you version of “autonomy” when you(you can take Princip, raso/ratko, kate , ..) can personally go in Prishtina and deliver it yourself!

ximi

pre 16 godina

This is so naïve! I think even if there is an article that says the water is wet, you will still disagree- if the information-source is from Kosovo, Serbs will categorically disagree, and other way around. Don’t get me wrong, arguments and disagreements are a healthy thing to do, but they have to be based on subject and need some logic, not just for sake of it.
I thing we might be able to agree on this one – Both Albanians and Serbs are having worst standard of life and perspective for the future in whole Europe. Do we agree?
Ximi

lowe

pre 16 godina

So who are these anonymous but "reliable" sources????? Why are they so unidentifiable????? .......
Are they spies from Pristina or the West who have infiltrated Kostunica's circle???? How come they know so much about Kostunica that even his own government and people don't? ..... or maybe the newspaper couldn't name them because they don't exist ..... next thing we will be reading about
these "unidentified but reliable" sources telling us the color of Kostunica's pyjamas last night. Or maybe abaout his secret mistress somewhere in Timbuktu! Please!!!!

ximi

pre 16 godina

Cvele
Part of your comment earlier…
You wrote: ‘this is only a biased opinion of a state controlled media’ Do you mean State of Kosova?
You are admitting that Kosova is a State, it’s only normal, it’s in your mind, and sometimes is difficult to keep it in –it sleeps out sooner or later. Or was it an error of expression/phrase from you.

village-bey

pre 16 godina

Kate
Well it is a good thing that you acknowledge that us Albanians do not think alike at the same time. I thought I would have problem passing the first hurdle but I see that the rational thinking is still prevalent in UK.
As for Kosova being multiethnic I strongly believe that it will. Conflicts like their causes are not permanent phenomena. You have to give allowances for a bloody war waged on us only eight years ago.
I have to disagree with you on the signs too. I personally think the reverse. The main stumbling block I would say is the Serbian attitude.
Serbian thinking towards the Albanians has not changed much in the last 100 years. It is perplexing to be faced by irrational hatred and generalisations by representatives of a nation whose claims to Kosova are constantly linked to civilisation process. Not long ago one of their PMs really believed that we Albanians had tails and slept on tree trunks. I do hope that the posts I have seen here are not generic representations of the Serbian society views. This mindset is a real and direct obstacle for peace and progress.

Cvele

pre 16 godina

Laki
I dont understand how I was racist but OK, if you can explain it to me I will apologize.

As for the second part of your post. I cant speak for Kate or Princip or anyone but myself. So I will tell you for my part if thats what it takes...

Ximi
I agree with you 100%.

CCCC

test

pre 16 godina

Koha Ditore is definitely one of the most independent and reliable Newspapers in the region of ex-Yougoslavia. Many diplomats and experts engaged in the issues of ex-Yu republics will confirm this. It is this newspaper that was the first to publish the "Ramboulliet Agreement" in 1999, the first to publish key points of the Ahtisaari Plan and the first in many other issues. Even Belgrade media (B92, beta, etc) can confirm the reliability and serious sources of Koha Ditore.

Cvele

pre 16 godina

Exactly! Unless we are privileged to know who these sources are this is only a biased opinion of a state controlled media. I resent that such biased information without any substance could be released. It is the newspapers duty to report fact and not some we say so fiction. Without the source this article is meaningless.

drongo

pre 16 godina

yeah, i'm really going to believe it when it's:

- in an UNSOURCED report in a Kosovo Albanian newspaper;

- owned by Vetan Sukhoi, a member of the ethnic Albanian talks "Team of Separtism";

- and republished by that hype-stricken Reuters agency again without sourcing.

Lazarevic fell out with Kostunica years ago, remembers?

Delije

pre 16 godina

To my Serbian people and the Albanians, most of us want to have Kosovo out right. But please take into consideration partion. The Serbian people really do not want the Albanians part of their country & the Albanians do not want to be part of Serbia. This is that moment that we can have our cake and eat it to. Serbia will lose more out of this, because of the land loss. But will wash the hands of the people that are not loyal to Serbia . And the Albanians will have their independence of their half from Serbia. Lets give partition a chance and draw that line in the sand. We can't live together because of the hate for one another. this is the only way we can have peace. For the Serbs in S-Kosovo please for Gods sake move north and live freely with no fear any more.

Cvele

pre 16 godina

Congratulations
You figured me out ximi.
I am really anti Serb. I mean I know for a fact Kosovo is a state. I read an atlas. There it is. But it appears to be attached to something a lot bigger then itself. I guess I was wrong. It is not a state after all.

I had no idea this was confiremed in the UN resolution 1244. Signed by US and all. Can you believe it that the bunch in Washington after bombing Serbia for nearly 3 months didnt even get it to consceed to granting Kosovo independence.

Ron

pre 16 godina

Delije,

Yes, I hate to say, but if you can't live together... split if. If Serba agrees, because Serbia can still say no to EVERY proposal.
Yep, international law. You may not like that. But hey, does the Tibet people like the government in Beijing?


ximi,

You KNOW Kosovo is just a province of Serbia!

PB

pre 16 godina

Miri - who mentioned anything about the Basque region leaving Europe?? Just because they want independence, it does not prevent them from remaining within the EU - what planet are you on?

Joe

pre 16 godina

It looks like a desperate face saving attempt of Kalasnikov Kostunica to save at least few square meters of Kocobo. In reality Kosovo was lost for Serbia already in 1999.

Pera

pre 16 godina

If there is to be a partition of Kosovo the Serbs must ensure that the monestaries of Pec, Decani and Gracanica (which I believe are in southern Kosovo)are given independence. Their status should be equivalent to the vatican in Rome, states within a state.

The Serbs who have independence forced on them should be compensated giving them the opportunity to move north perhaps the US can fund this. Since the US are so keen on giving independence to some, I say give independence to all, RS included.

M.Shanks

pre 16 godina

"Some Albanian posters have been boasting about how many babies Kosovo Albanian women have, and saying that Serbs aren't welcome back into Kosovo", said Kate.
Can you show me one of those coments just the way you wrote.

a

pre 16 godina

Funny that a croat is complaining about partitioning Bosnian!
the Bosnian croats also partitioned a part of bosnia, killing thousands of muslims in the process.

Delije

pre 16 godina

Ron, Kosovo can't be taken from Serbia with out their blessing, and I love that. But I can't stand the treatment of my people in s-Kosovo. They are treated worse than animals. Serbia is more than battel grounds and churchs, it's also the people. I want Kosovo w/out the problems. I want my people to move freely, and not live behind barbed wire. My father in laws entire family moved from Orhaovac by a military convoy to Belgrade, because they feared for their lives. I have heard first hand stories how his friends & some family were being executed by the kla while others cut through ropes with a pocket knife to escape to Serbia proper via the forests. Weather it's autonomy or independence the Serbs in s-Kosovo have no future. The police are former kla, the gov is former kla leaders and your only security are foreign troop, that can care less for them. I would trade all of s-Kosovo for the lives of my people that live their. I'm for partition.

Joe

pre 16 godina

Delije,
Many of the Serbs, who left Kosovo and feared for their lives committed crimes against K-Albanians. As an American I remember reading stories about K-Serbs guiding Serbian paratroopers to K-Albanian houses or participating in killings and expulsions. I am even surprised that so many Serbs still remain in S-Kosovo.

lowe

pre 16 godina

"I am even surprised that so many Serbs still remain in S-Kosovo.
(Joe, 12. September 2007 02:49) "
And they control the north too. Irks you doesn't it?

Niall O'Doherty, Ireland

pre 16 godina

"Many of the Serbs, who left Kosovo and feared for their lives committed crimes against K-Albanians. As an American I remember reading stories about K-Serbs guiding Serbian paratroopers to K-Albanian houses or participating in killings and expulsions. I am even surprised" - Joe

No doubt Joe it did happen and I dont condone it,but the vast majority of people ethnically cleansed by the KLA from Kosovo were innocents who happened to be Serbs, Jews, Croats & Roma, i.e. not Albanian.

Jovan

pre 16 godina

"To my Serbian people and the Albanians, most of us want to have Kosovo out right. But please take into consideration partion. The Serbian people really do not want the Albanians part of their country & the Albanians do not want to be part of Serbia. This is that moment that we can have our cake and eat it to. Serbia will lose more out of this, because of the land loss. But will wash the hands of the people that are not loyal to Serbia . And the Albanians will have their independence of their half from Serbia. Lets give partition a chance and draw that line in the sand. We can't live together because of the hate for one another. this is the only way we can have peace. For the Serbs in S-Kosovo please for Gods sake move north and live freely with no fear any more.
(Delije, 11. September 2007 19:19)"

Delija, you are completely wrong on this!

there is nothing to be divided, Albanians have Albania. Kosovo is all serbian, culturally, historically, legally.

times will change, and Albanians will have to accept reality, just as France and Germany overcame their centuries-long struggle.

but until that happens, Kosovo stays what it is ( remember UNSC 1244 ) serbian territory!

and there is absolutely no reason to draw any lines into the sand.