Ceku: Serbia threat to regional stability

Phillip Dragisic

Unlike you, some people have moved on from WW2, regardless of the facts that most of the thing you refer to did not happen, and the fact that serbs also commited massive crimes against albanians in Kosovo.

If every country in the world started making political desicion on somtehing that happened in WW2 (over 50 years ago), the world would be a chaotic place!

What albanians refer to is what happenend only 8 years ago, and most of population of kosovo, experienced it personaly.

This, coming from Ceku, is a riot. He's nothing more than a two-bit warlord in a suit given to him by the US, and for him to say that Serbia is warmongering is similar to Moktada al-Sadr saying the US forces in Iraq are causing trouble :)

Wow - this is really the pot calling the kettle black.

Lets just realise that Prorokovic was resonding to a "what if..." . Ceku has no credibility and is a greater lame duck them Bush himself and this shows by his insistance to bring this up now after the weekend - Ceku does not know what to do anymore!

Serbia is illuminating what is the inevitable of following the US false promise blindly. Others are starting consider the consequences and many others are realising that there is no legitamcy to this US inspired folly.

"Unlike Transdniester, Kosovo is not currently a "de facto" independent state. It does not have self-rule but is run as a United Nations Protectorate which was established in 1999 after NATO, on behalf of ethnic Albanians, undertook a 78 day bombing war against Serbia.

According to the United Nations and the UN Security Council resolution which established the current Kosovo protectorate status, Kosovo is an integral part of Serbia's national territory.

" - The integrity of the UN Security Council's role in the system of international law is at stake here," says a Western diplomat in New York Sunday, speaking off the record. The diplomat, who holds the rank of Ambassador, also explained that it will take a new Security Council resolution before any change in Kosovo's status can be considered legally binding. This is because the current government structures in Kosovo, unlike those currently in Transdniestria, were established under a UN Security Council mandate."
http://www.tiraspoltimes.com/node/1236

The US have created one God almighty mess and self closing trap they must be wondering how to respond to the UN request that Serbia has put with regards it's sovereignity but it reminds me of a quote;
“Oh what a tangled web we weave, When first we practice to deceive” - Sir Walter Scott

US have got themselves in such a tangled web with this false promise that was never theirs to make!

The Albanians keep using the argument that the “Serbs lost the right to Kosovo” because of atrocities committed in 1999. Since there is no statute of limitations on murder, then the Serbs can say that the Albanians lost the right to Kosovo in 1941 when they joined the Nazis and committed massive atrocities against the Serb population. Albanians, I have just proven with logic and reason that your argument does not have any merit. Unfortunately, your leaders keep using this ridiculous argument.

Nikshala,
Phillip is totally right. Do you know the totally number dead in Kosovo during 1998-1999? Not more than 2500 and you know that not all were Albanians. God rest all the innocent souls one life is too many. But you have to understand your exact argument is the same as what Serbs can say not just WWII but WWI, don't you see that your people lost in every major war...why? Because you fought on the side of oppression and injustice, on the side of the German war machine, and guess what you lost every time. You lost, the Croats lost, the Bosniaks lost, the Slovenians lost, all of you who didn't have the courage to stand up for freedom lost. You threw roses at Hitlers feet. Serbs won. Period. If you want to try and deny that just look at General Draza Mihajlovic's highest medal of honor from the US military, was that a hoax too? According to you Serbs commited crimes in WWII. YOu are just like the Croatians now. Are you kidding me. In WWI almost every Serb disapppeared from the face of the earth and the Albanians on the great march of the Serbian soldiers and people through the Balkans were killing anyone they could in the columns of people walking from Serbia to Greece. Don't even tell me the Serbs commited crimes they lost almost their entire identity, culture, land, everything in their sacrifice for freedom and guess what they won both times and you lost. Now you are like the Croatians rewriting history when your people have been on the side of terror in every major world war. So yes Phillip is right he can use that argument 50 years ago is not long. In 50 years will your argument be void that Serbs commited atrocities in 1998-1999, and so it won't work anymore cause it is old news. Come on what kind of childness is that. My grandfather is from Kosovo, they couldn't even move around freely, and were always subjected to abuse and neglect. That was 40 years ago, I can go on and on about experiences of Serbs in Kosovo, why do you think their even was a war, because your people wanted one and were setting the stage, and now you cry abuse. I can't believe you can even defend yourself, it is truely fascinating. And i'm sorry to tell you you lost in 1999 too, why cause resolution 1244 underlines that Kosovo is a Serbian province if you had won that war you would have had indepndence in june 1999. You have no right to Claim Kosovo, answer me this, if Kosovo was Albanian to begin with then why weren't you fighting the Serbs in 1389 or fighting the Turks to defend Kosovo. It was Serbs fighting the invading Turks, where were you? Are you gonna tell me that was a lie to...man, I can't believe what i read.

I am confused. Can someone help me out?

Is ceku reffering to the war crimes he committed in the Medak Pocket?

I strongly disagree with you Agim.
Continued instability in the Balkans is the result of external and internal forces attempting to change the boundaries of a sovereign nation.
What a farce, Ceku accusing others of having a “warmongering spirit” and blaming others for terrorizing, raping, torching, robbing and killing. Since Ceku is apparently not going to answer for his involvement in crimes when innocent civilians were
“terrorized, raped, torched, robbed and killed” during the military massacre known as “Scorched Earth” in the Medak Pocket, Ceku should be forced to retire to Divoselo, Čitluk or Počitelj in Lika. It is reported that the area is uninhabitable.

Is that a joke? LOL!!! Agim, I think you do not need to look to far in the past for your own behavior and that of your UCK off-shoots trying to cause trouble in Crna Gora, Presevo and Western Macedonia. PLEASE don't insult your own people at least and make the rest of us laugh. Why don't you pacify some of your out-of-control regions like Djakovica or Lika before you worry about the Serbs attacking you (which will not happen). If any Albanians try to justify this you should be banned from this forum.

AGIM AGIM
Get real. Now that Russia has recovered from the 90's it is YOU who shoul be worried about the reaction of the international community to your illigal declaration of independence. Amusing if you will. Serbs are going to say now whatever they want.

Oh nikshala,

What kind of a weak response was that? So what's the difference? 8 or 50 years ago, it still happened. I can say the same to you, "ohhh you guys should move on and not look back at history." That so called famous "Racak massacre" was staged! Besides albanians were the instigators of the conflict in 99. Why did they start launching terrorist attacks against Serb police and civillians? Nothing justifes that!

Mr Ceku,

Before you speak you should/must look at the facts on the ground and it is easy to see who is the threat to the balkans!!

link:
Policeman shot dead in Macedonia
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/10/AR2007091000510.html

Do some deep reaserch on key words "greater Albania, kla" and then you'll find out who is the real threat to stabilaty to Kosovo & the region. The wertern media don't want you to know who & how this really started. Just look whats going on in Macedonia. Something is about to go down. This coming from Ceku shouldn't be taken seriously.Me, partition is the best solution. I want to keep Kosovo but not the 2 million people that hate Serbia. But that won't happen. Serbia would be so much better w/out them & they feel the same about Serbia and thats no secret. I think partition will be the end result, that is if war is averted. Lets be honest, Serbia don't want the Albanians & the Albanians don't want Serbia.

Dear Serb Camp,

I see that you are getting frustrated. I am glad that all of you are making remarks about how CEKU this and that. Ceku is respected much more than AK47-Koshtunica. He graduate out of Belgrade and he used that knowledge to lead a mutiny in Croatia and Kosova.

Also the Serb Camp tactics are changing to relating Kosova Events to other matters (e.g. basques, al-Sadr, Kurds, etc).
Give it up, you're wasting your breath.

What does 1 policemen shot dead in Macedonia have anything to do with this? Well, thats what the Albanian terrorists did in Kosovo. Thats what started this mess in the first place.

The Albanians keep using the argument that the “Serbs lost the right to Kosovo” because of atrocities committed in 1999. Since there is no statute of limitations on murder, then the Serbs can say that the Albanians lost the right to Kosovo in 1941 when they joined the Nazis and committed massive atrocities against the Serb population. Albanians, I have just proven with logic and reason that your argument does not have any merit. Unfortunately, your leaders keep using this ridiculous argument.
(Phillip Dragisic, 10. September 2007 17:22)

What is this "Albanians joined the nazis and committed massive crimes against serbs"? I am an albanian. I never joined the nazis. My grandfather was an albanian and he never joined the nazis nor commited crimes. Albania is a recognized antifascist country, which by the way saved also the lives of thousands of jewish. We have the names of our antifascist leaders. Croats, montenegrins and macedonians have also names of their antifascist leaders. Can please dear heroic antifascist serbs provide us with the names of the guy which lead you in the WWII? There were albanian collaborationists, but please, will you say me that there were not serb collaborationists with the nazi in WWII? Will anybody have such a courage meanwhile the history is full of examples of your guys in black SS shirts? And with that, do I have also the right to say that "Serbs joined the nazis and committed crimes against us"?
What is done cannot be reversed. Serbs occupied Kosovo in 1913. Since than they tried everything to ethnically clean it. Waves of kosovar immigrants came in Albania in 1913, 1920's, 1940's and the last one in the 1999. Massive graves are been discovered. Thousand of people are being missed. And you talk us about letting again the half of our nation under your rule?

Look who is talking?

Who is asking to take a way a piece of an independent nation? HE IS!

Firt accept that Kosovo is part of Serbia. Then start (!) negotiating for autonomy.

Again, a peaceuful Kosovo in a peaceful Serbia in a peaceful Europe!

NO NEW BORDERS PLEASE!

I don't understand why this warlord with a tie even gets media coverage? He is a total non-entity. He was given a repreive for his Bosnia war crimes by NATO so he could fill a hole in Pristina's puppet government. It is obvious. He has taken himself out of Kosovo's politics so, why is he even speaking? It will be good not to see this war criminal in Kosovo's government anymore.

how is this guy still a prime minister??

The Albanians keep using the argument that the “Serbs lost the right to Kosovo” because of atrocities committed in 1999. Since there is no statute of limitations on murder, then the Serbs can say that the Albanians lost the right to Kosovo in 1941 when they joined the Nazis and committed massive atrocities against the Serb population. Albanians, I have just proven with logic and reason that your argument does not have any merit. Unfortunately, your leaders keep using this ridiculous argument.
(Phillip Dragisic, 10. September 2007 17:22)

What is this "Albanians joined the nazis and committed massive crimes against serbs"? I am an albanian. I never joined the nazis. My grandfather was an albanian and he never joined the nazis nor commited crimes. Albania is a recognized antifascist country, which by the way saved also the lives of thousands of jewish. We have the names of our antifascist leaders. Croats, montenegrins and macedonians have also names of their antifascist leaders. Can please dear heroic antifascist serbs provide us with the names of the guy which lead you in the WWII? There were albanian collaborationists, but please, will you say me that there were not serb collaborationists with the nazi in WWII? Will anybody have such a courage meanwhile the history is full of examples of your guys in black SS shirts? And with that, do I have also the right to say that "Serbs joined the nazis and committed crimes against us"? What is this perverse thirst of serbs to incriminate everybody just to justify what they cannot deny: the fact that they, the serbs, meanwhile were not under occupation, with their full support and ability to take decisions.

Klaudian,
Tirana - Albania.

@Rocky,
Talking about how Serbia is this beacon of light in the Balkans, and "EVERY BODY ELSE" is a Nazi is only going to hurt you.
WW2 eh? Interesting how the first city in the Balkans to be declared "Judenfrei" ie free of jews, was Belgrade! And you think only the Germans did this alone? Especially if as you claim all Serbia was resisting? That is kind of impossible isn't it? Have you even heard of the Banjica and Sajmiste concentration camps? Or Milan Nedic who ruled over the puppet state of Serbia, and Dimitrje Lotic who led an entire Cetnik division that openly collaborated with Axis forces against the Communists, who were considered a greater threat? What was the "Antimasonska Izlozba"? Something about a postage stamp...
http://www.croradio.net/cet.htm
Please don't talk about how only Serbs are the victims here, wake up...

what does one policeman,shot dead in Macedonia has to do anything with Ballkan security...whoever did that they just criminalss thats just a crime happening ...in New York you hear maybe 5Policeman get killed in a years...Do you see them balming any race or nationality NO...sorry but most people that write on B92 are racists and nationalist...

"for him (Ceku) to say that Serbia is warmongering is similar to Moktada al-Sadr saying the US forces in Iraq are causing trouble"

1) Yes on one hand Ceku is one to talk, he commited various war crimes of his own, so this may appear slightly ironic...
2)However, who has been the greatest threat to peace in the Balkans in the last decade? Who started all those wars again? I believe it was Serbia, who's ruling party advocates continuing those wars to acheive Karlovac-Karlobag-Virovitica.(Well assuming they had the means, which they do not) Therefore his comments although hypocritical on one hand, also have merit on the other.
3) I am loving the Nazi references. Intersting how only Albanians/Bosnians/Croats/Slovenians are nazis, yet the first city in this area to be declared Judenfrei was Belgrade. Fact is, collaborators just as resistors were present in every single country that existed at the time, so don't go around talking about how Serbia was this innocent state that did not commit atrocities of it's own, and should therefore be entitled to land. This approach was tried before, and it did no good for Serbia. Learn from your mistakes no?
4)I suggest fighting hard for the partition of the north (which is pretty much 100% Serb), the presence of NATO troops to protect Serb enclaves (Greek soldiers would probably be the best idea), and some sort of deal with regards to Orthodox sights.

Klaudian,
what you write here has no importance since your poor english and arguement cannot be be published in my mind.

Serbs have ruled and lived in Kosovo ever since they came to the balkan. When the slavs came they inhabited relativly uninhabited areas given to them by the emperor of Byzantium. They developed the land and thus claimed it to be theirs with no opposition because of their majority. All the cities in Kosovo have been made by Serbs, all the churches, most of the mosques by muslim Serbs (bosniaks). The name Kosovo and "Kosova" (incidently not a word but a radical slur used by Albanian extremists) are Serbian just as Prishtina and Mitrovica etc are.

The current 1999 waves of killing were initially started by the KLA and if Milosovic had not done anything then the entire Albanian arguement would be non-existant.
Serbs have always had a majority in Kosovo up until the albanians began killing and expelling them. We have been wronged in history and now in present day Kosovo so we will once again show our true colours and fight for our right to exist in Kosovo regardless of any Agim Ceku's. Every Albanian who believes he cannot live with Serbs in Kosovo wants "ethnic Albania" because the Serbs that lived there never killed or expelled anyone, that was Milosovic. They should not be punished for his actions nor should the albanians be rewarded for terrorist activities and their continues attempts to "albanianize" Kosovo by removing all other peoples and declare an independant Albanian state.

Njazi,
where o where did you find me disrespecting victims of either side? Why don't you read my post and when you are done read it again with a clear mind...why? Because right in the beginning it says what...one victim is too many and God rest there souls. You side jumped most of my post. Your people lost every major war because you fought on the side of oppression and injustice. I was making the point that if K-Albanians can say Serbs abused then the Serbs can say the same about the almost complete eradication in WWI by your people, the Austrians, the Croats. And obviously your people did too on the great march your people were killing the Serbs without thought. This is a historical fact. Another historical fact is that your people fought with the German war machine every war and lost. Serbs stood up and lost everything for freedom and their sacrifice is well know throughout every history book not just Serbia's. Again Gen. Mihajlovic was awarded the highest honor by the US military. Period. As for my grandfather he passed long ago but he was from Obilic and how can I write an instance when it was his whole life that was taken from him daily in Kosovo, that is why he moved to Srem. There was no freedom. Just like Serbs now not on that scale like today but similar. And as for giving you dates and times go into any part of Serbia to talk to the over 200000 refugees from present day Kosovo and you can find more than enough tragedy. I guess you were fighting along the Serbs in 1389 that is why while living in California all my life and reading history books here at UC Santa Barbara I found so many American texts with mention of your people. Come on, in every book I picked up there is no mention of your people for centuries in Kosovo especially not in the battle for Kosovo 1389. You may have been their but it is obvious by changing your religion from first Catholicism to Islam you were not on the Serbian side.
And I will not stop posting, i did not respect any victim don't try to twist my words read clearly. Serbs have always forgiven, after every world war even though you, the Slovenians, the Croats, the Bosniaks, you all lost. the Serbs were the only group victorious as a state and the Serbs took all of you back and formed a state based on brotherhood tell me what nation in the world would have done that.

Marucs,
Please give me a list of states in the balkans, STATES, not certain individuals that stood up to the German war machine,...I'm waiting. Not Slovenia, Not Muslim Bosniaks, No Croatia, Not Albania, Not Kosovo Albanians, no one on the balkan penninsula except Serbs and Greeks stood up as a state, official government stance against the Austrians and then the Germans. Everybody was a nazi around Serbia, that is fact. Can you please check a French, German, African, American, Brazilian any history book can give you guidance if you need it. Serbs were a beacon of light in the major wars, always because they sacrificed everything for their freedom. Albanians and everybody else in the meantime threw roses at Hitlers feet if you dont believe be check out when Hitler and his buddies rolled through Ljubljana, Zagreb and Sarajevo. The people threw roses at their feet. You should stop the dreaming and wake up.

An opportunte moment to issue such a statement, which although somewhat hyprocritical, (Ceku is not civilian like say Rugova) it goes to show the danger of DSS statements made without much thinking.

The moment these statements are made the world press and Albanian leaders take advantage. They should think carefully.

Regardless of your opinion towards Ceku, everything he said is true; the killing, rape, torching and warmongering did come and is coming from Belgrade. Even though the Serbs here might think he might have been involved in the same things too he is innocent until proven guilty by a court. However what he said is true despite your views about him.

people, wake up, this already a done deal. It is not up to serbian camp or albanian camp. Once Russia and US sit on the table, the outcome will be that the north part of kosovo will be integrated in serbia and the rest will be left to the albanians. Once this is over, Serbs will drink slivovica with their fellow russians(which they love so dearly) and albanians will have jack daniels with their fellow americans (which they love so dearly as well). At the end everybody is happy and everyone will accept this deal, incuding EU with Ahtisari himself.
see u in december.

Dragisic, you say:
“The Albanians keep using the argument that the “Serbs lost the right to Kosovo” because of atrocities committed in 1999.”
That’s wrong, Serbia had never right over Kosova. Serbia had occupied Kosova after 1912, thanking, to at that time, some Europe power countries, which quietly accepted that, what gives no right to Serbia to rule with the country any longer. All you know that even today’s Albania was planned to be partitioned by Serbs, Bulgarians and Greeks, in 1912-13, but, only thanking to USA and its President Woodrow Wilson, it didn’t succeed. This clearly shows the USA efforts, since that time, to help the oldest Balkan nation to survive in their country, ruling down appetites of their “neighbors”.
Nowadays, again USA is the country to help Albanians to get out of the almost 90 years of slavery under slav rule

It is amazing how people are so short sighted. Not that Ceku is really worried about Serbian army (after all he won all his battles), but it is politically correct to come up with such a statement. Ceku is backed by all the Albs on this one, no matter where they live and in which country they reside.Get my drift?

To Ratko and Rocky,
Unfortunately it is people like you who got us into this mess, in the first place.
By deliberatly disrespecting the victims, you only succed in creating more animosity in between two camps.
It is inhumane to disrespect the victims (from both sides). They had and have families who think of them every day, so please refrain from such comments.
BTW,as far as Kosovo battle is concerned, the only way to convince Serbs to fight with others against turks was to accept prince Lazar as a battle commander otherwise they would not join the battle at all.
There were Albanians fighting alongside Serbs and others, against Turks but your historians made it look like it was only Serbs against Turks (although it doesn't have any bearing at all today).
If your grandfather was from Kosovo, where did he live?
As far as Serb civilians killed or maltreated before the war started, can you please provide a list with names and dates? Or maybe you are refering to cases like "Martinovic's case" in Gnjilane?
If you don't know what I am talking about check the archives of the eighties newspapers in Serbian.

To Marijan,
My friend, just last week some local Serb people from Ranillug (near Kosovska Kamenica), shot with fire weapons at five cars on the main road Gnjilane- Bujanovac.
Nobody was killed luckily. So we should percieve the actions of individuals (Serbs in this case) as a threat to Balkans?
You think that we should percieve all Serbian people as criminals?
No matter what you think, I know that I do not.
To Roger,
Crime is a crime no matter where, when or by whom it was commited. I am not trying to protect Ceku, but I will point out that if that was the case wouldn't he be in Hague already? He even voluntered to go there if neccesary to prove his case.
But on the other hand where is Mladic and the gang?
I will not claim that he is innocent since I don't know, but if there were hard facts I don't think he would be left to run a contry. If you can provide facts, I urge you to contact Interpol, ICTY, UN etc.

Not sure why my comment got cut off. I had quoted Mike that:
"for him (Ceku) to say that Serbia is warmongering is similar to Moktada al-Sadr saying the US forces in Iraq are causing trouble"

And added that, yes, both would be correct.

States occupying others' land, whether under the guise of "legality" and "sovereignty" on the one hand or straight illegailty on the other are those who "cause the problems"

All the chatter about Serbia's "legal" right to rule over a 90 percent Albanian region is irrelevant. The British, French, Dutch, Spanish, Belgian etc empires ruled los of countries but eventually had to give them up. Loads of new countries created. The Ottoman, Russian, Austro-Hungarian empires likewise had to give up their "soveriegn" rule over lots of other countries, like all today's Arab countries for example, or Serbia itself. Even in more recent times, smaller countries than these great empires which were ruling over other peoples had to give them up as decades and decades of trying to prevent people's rebellion were ultimaely all in vain and a massive waste of human life.

Yesterday, Bangladesh, Eritrea, East Timor.

Today Kosova.

Tomorrow Palestine, Iraq (from US), Kurdistan (from Iraq, Iran and Turkey), Kashmir, Papua, Mindanao, south Thailand, Basque country, the rest of Ireland, you name it.

Or those ruling countries can go on for another few decades shedding rivers of blood in vain to hold onto "sovereignty", or whatever other excuse, that the peoples they are ruling over do not recognise.

Get used to it Serbs. You're not alone as defeated colonial rulers. If you've got any issue, it should be the K Serbs situation, that's all.

It is amazing how the Milosevic state propaganda made a fairly intelligent people (Serbs) believing anything they told them. Serbian police were terrorizing the whole albanian population in kosovo and that is what caused the uprising.

DimTuc,

Kosovo was/is NOT a colonoy of Serbia. People there had the right to vote.

Is Basque a colony of Spain then? Is Kurdistan a colony of Turkey?

Kosovo was/is NOT a colonoy of Serbia. People there had the right to vote.

Is Basque a colony of Spain then? Is Kurdistan a colony of Turkey?
(Ron, 12. September 2007 04:36)

Ron I am not too familiar with the Basques except for the fact that Franco called in the NAZIS to bomb the Basque region on behalf of Spain. Picasso has a painting called Gurenica about this event.
As for the Kurds the anwer is yes.
However once we solve our own problems let them do whatever they can to solve theirs.

Phillip Dragisic

Unlike you, some people have moved on from WW2, regardless of the facts that most of the thing you refer to did not happen, and the fact that serbs also commited massive crimes against albanians in Kosovo.

If every country in the world started making political desicion on somtehing that happened in WW2 (over 50 years ago), the world would be a chaotic place!

What albanians refer to is what happenend only 8 years ago, and most of population of kosovo, experienced it personaly.

The Albanians keep using the argument that the “Serbs lost the right to Kosovo” because of atrocities committed in 1999. Since there is no statute of limitations on murder, then the Serbs can say that the Albanians lost the right to Kosovo in 1941 when they joined the Nazis and committed massive atrocities against the Serb population. Albanians, I have just proven with logic and reason that your argument does not have any merit. Unfortunately, your leaders keep using this ridiculous argument.

Is that a joke? LOL!!! Agim, I think you do not need to look to far in the past for your own behavior and that of your UCK off-shoots trying to cause trouble in Crna Gora, Presevo and Western Macedonia. PLEASE don't insult your own people at least and make the rest of us laugh. Why don't you pacify some of your out-of-control regions like Djakovica or Lika before you worry about the Serbs attacking you (which will not happen). If any Albanians try to justify this you should be banned from this forum.

Dear Serb Camp,

I see that you are getting frustrated. I am glad that all of you are making remarks about how CEKU this and that. Ceku is respected much more than AK47-Koshtunica. He graduate out of Belgrade and he used that knowledge to lead a mutiny in Croatia and Kosova.

Also the Serb Camp tactics are changing to relating Kosova Events to other matters (e.g. basques, al-Sadr, Kurds, etc).
Give it up, you're wasting your breath.

This, coming from Ceku, is a riot. He's nothing more than a two-bit warlord in a suit given to him by the US, and for him to say that Serbia is warmongering is similar to Moktada al-Sadr saying the US forces in Iraq are causing trouble :)

I strongly disagree with you Agim.
Continued instability in the Balkans is the result of external and internal forces attempting to change the boundaries of a sovereign nation.
What a farce, Ceku accusing others of having a “warmongering spirit” and blaming others for terrorizing, raping, torching, robbing and killing. Since Ceku is apparently not going to answer for his involvement in crimes when innocent civilians were
“terrorized, raped, torched, robbed and killed” during the military massacre known as “Scorched Earth” in the Medak Pocket, Ceku should be forced to retire to Divoselo, Čitluk or Počitelj in Lika. It is reported that the area is uninhabitable.

what does one policeman,shot dead in Macedonia has to do anything with Ballkan security...whoever did that they just criminalss thats just a crime happening ...in New York you hear maybe 5Policeman get killed in a years...Do you see them balming any race or nationality NO...sorry but most people that write on B92 are racists and nationalist...

Lets just realise that Prorokovic was resonding to a "what if..." . Ceku has no credibility and is a greater lame duck them Bush himself and this shows by his insistance to bring this up now after the weekend - Ceku does not know what to do anymore!

Serbia is illuminating what is the inevitable of following the US false promise blindly. Others are starting consider the consequences and many others are realising that there is no legitamcy to this US inspired folly.

"Unlike Transdniester, Kosovo is not currently a "de facto" independent state. It does not have self-rule but is run as a United Nations Protectorate which was established in 1999 after NATO, on behalf of ethnic Albanians, undertook a 78 day bombing war against Serbia.

According to the United Nations and the UN Security Council resolution which established the current Kosovo protectorate status, Kosovo is an integral part of Serbia's national territory.

" - The integrity of the UN Security Council's role in the system of international law is at stake here," says a Western diplomat in New York Sunday, speaking off the record. The diplomat, who holds the rank of Ambassador, also explained that it will take a new Security Council resolution before any change in Kosovo's status can be considered legally binding. This is because the current government structures in Kosovo, unlike those currently in Transdniestria, were established under a UN Security Council mandate."
http://www.tiraspoltimes.com/node/1236

The US have created one God almighty mess and self closing trap they must be wondering how to respond to the UN request that Serbia has put with regards it's sovereignity but it reminds me of a quote;
“Oh what a tangled web we weave, When first we practice to deceive” - Sir Walter Scott

US have got themselves in such a tangled web with this false promise that was never theirs to make!

Do some deep reaserch on key words "greater Albania, kla" and then you'll find out who is the real threat to stabilaty to Kosovo & the region. The wertern media don't want you to know who & how this really started. Just look whats going on in Macedonia. Something is about to go down. This coming from Ceku shouldn't be taken seriously.Me, partition is the best solution. I want to keep Kosovo but not the 2 million people that hate Serbia. But that won't happen. Serbia would be so much better w/out them & they feel the same about Serbia and thats no secret. I think partition will be the end result, that is if war is averted. Lets be honest, Serbia don't want the Albanians & the Albanians don't want Serbia.

AGIM AGIM
Get real. Now that Russia has recovered from the 90's it is YOU who shoul be worried about the reaction of the international community to your illigal declaration of independence. Amusing if you will. Serbs are going to say now whatever they want.

Wow - this is really the pot calling the kettle black.

Mr Ceku,

Before you speak you should/must look at the facts on the ground and it is easy to see who is the threat to the balkans!!

link:
Policeman shot dead in Macedonia
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/10/AR2007091000510.html

I am confused. Can someone help me out?

Is ceku reffering to the war crimes he committed in the Medak Pocket?

The Albanians keep using the argument that the “Serbs lost the right to Kosovo” because of atrocities committed in 1999. Since there is no statute of limitations on murder, then the Serbs can say that the Albanians lost the right to Kosovo in 1941 when they joined the Nazis and committed massive atrocities against the Serb population. Albanians, I have just proven with logic and reason that your argument does not have any merit. Unfortunately, your leaders keep using this ridiculous argument.
(Phillip Dragisic, 10. September 2007 17:22)

What is this "Albanians joined the nazis and committed massive crimes against serbs"? I am an albanian. I never joined the nazis. My grandfather was an albanian and he never joined the nazis nor commited crimes. Albania is a recognized antifascist country, which by the way saved also the lives of thousands of jewish. We have the names of our antifascist leaders. Croats, montenegrins and macedonians have also names of their antifascist leaders. Can please dear heroic antifascist serbs provide us with the names of the guy which lead you in the WWII? There were albanian collaborationists, but please, will you say me that there were not serb collaborationists with the nazi in WWII? Will anybody have such a courage meanwhile the history is full of examples of your guys in black SS shirts? And with that, do I have also the right to say that "Serbs joined the nazis and committed crimes against us"?
What is done cannot be reversed. Serbs occupied Kosovo in 1913. Since than they tried everything to ethnically clean it. Waves of kosovar immigrants came in Albania in 1913, 1920's, 1940's and the last one in the 1999. Massive graves are been discovered. Thousand of people are being missed. And you talk us about letting again the half of our nation under your rule?

Nikshala,
Phillip is totally right. Do you know the totally number dead in Kosovo during 1998-1999? Not more than 2500 and you know that not all were Albanians. God rest all the innocent souls one life is too many. But you have to understand your exact argument is the same as what Serbs can say not just WWII but WWI, don't you see that your people lost in every major war...why? Because you fought on the side of oppression and injustice, on the side of the German war machine, and guess what you lost every time. You lost, the Croats lost, the Bosniaks lost, the Slovenians lost, all of you who didn't have the courage to stand up for freedom lost. You threw roses at Hitlers feet. Serbs won. Period. If you want to try and deny that just look at General Draza Mihajlovic's highest medal of honor from the US military, was that a hoax too? According to you Serbs commited crimes in WWII. YOu are just like the Croatians now. Are you kidding me. In WWI almost every Serb disapppeared from the face of the earth and the Albanians on the great march of the Serbian soldiers and people through the Balkans were killing anyone they could in the columns of people walking from Serbia to Greece. Don't even tell me the Serbs commited crimes they lost almost their entire identity, culture, land, everything in their sacrifice for freedom and guess what they won both times and you lost. Now you are like the Croatians rewriting history when your people have been on the side of terror in every major world war. So yes Phillip is right he can use that argument 50 years ago is not long. In 50 years will your argument be void that Serbs commited atrocities in 1998-1999, and so it won't work anymore cause it is old news. Come on what kind of childness is that. My grandfather is from Kosovo, they couldn't even move around freely, and were always subjected to abuse and neglect. That was 40 years ago, I can go on and on about experiences of Serbs in Kosovo, why do you think their even was a war, because your people wanted one and were setting the stage, and now you cry abuse. I can't believe you can even defend yourself, it is truely fascinating. And i'm sorry to tell you you lost in 1999 too, why cause resolution 1244 underlines that Kosovo is a Serbian province if you had won that war you would have had indepndence in june 1999. You have no right to Claim Kosovo, answer me this, if Kosovo was Albanian to begin with then why weren't you fighting the Serbs in 1389 or fighting the Turks to defend Kosovo. It was Serbs fighting the invading Turks, where were you? Are you gonna tell me that was a lie to...man, I can't believe what i read.

Oh nikshala,

What kind of a weak response was that? So what's the difference? 8 or 50 years ago, it still happened. I can say the same to you, "ohhh you guys should move on and not look back at history." That so called famous "Racak massacre" was staged! Besides albanians were the instigators of the conflict in 99. Why did they start launching terrorist attacks against Serb police and civillians? Nothing justifes that!

people, wake up, this already a done deal. It is not up to serbian camp or albanian camp. Once Russia and US sit on the table, the outcome will be that the north part of kosovo will be integrated in serbia and the rest will be left to the albanians. Once this is over, Serbs will drink slivovica with their fellow russians(which they love so dearly) and albanians will have jack daniels with their fellow americans (which they love so dearly as well). At the end everybody is happy and everyone will accept this deal, incuding EU with Ahtisari himself.
see u in december.

Dragisic, you say:
“The Albanians keep using the argument that the “Serbs lost the right to Kosovo” because of atrocities committed in 1999.”
That’s wrong, Serbia had never right over Kosova. Serbia had occupied Kosova after 1912, thanking, to at that time, some Europe power countries, which quietly accepted that, what gives no right to Serbia to rule with the country any longer. All you know that even today’s Albania was planned to be partitioned by Serbs, Bulgarians and Greeks, in 1912-13, but, only thanking to USA and its President Woodrow Wilson, it didn’t succeed. This clearly shows the USA efforts, since that time, to help the oldest Balkan nation to survive in their country, ruling down appetites of their “neighbors”.
Nowadays, again USA is the country to help Albanians to get out of the almost 90 years of slavery under slav rule

It is amazing how people are so short sighted. Not that Ceku is really worried about Serbian army (after all he won all his battles), but it is politically correct to come up with such a statement. Ceku is backed by all the Albs on this one, no matter where they live and in which country they reside.Get my drift?

To Ratko and Rocky,
Unfortunately it is people like you who got us into this mess, in the first place.
By deliberatly disrespecting the victims, you only succed in creating more animosity in between two camps.
It is inhumane to disrespect the victims (from both sides). They had and have families who think of them every day, so please refrain from such comments.
BTW,as far as Kosovo battle is concerned, the only way to convince Serbs to fight with others against turks was to accept prince Lazar as a battle commander otherwise they would not join the battle at all.
There were Albanians fighting alongside Serbs and others, against Turks but your historians made it look like it was only Serbs against Turks (although it doesn't have any bearing at all today).
If your grandfather was from Kosovo, where did he live?
As far as Serb civilians killed or maltreated before the war started, can you please provide a list with names and dates? Or maybe you are refering to cases like "Martinovic's case" in Gnjilane?
If you don't know what I am talking about check the archives of the eighties newspapers in Serbian.

The Albanians keep using the argument that the “Serbs lost the right to Kosovo” because of atrocities committed in 1999. Since there is no statute of limitations on murder, then the Serbs can say that the Albanians lost the right to Kosovo in 1941 when they joined the Nazis and committed massive atrocities against the Serb population. Albanians, I have just proven with logic and reason that your argument does not have any merit. Unfortunately, your leaders keep using this ridiculous argument.
(Phillip Dragisic, 10. September 2007 17:22)

What is this "Albanians joined the nazis and committed massive crimes against serbs"? I am an albanian. I never joined the nazis. My grandfather was an albanian and he never joined the nazis nor commited crimes. Albania is a recognized antifascist country, which by the way saved also the lives of thousands of jewish. We have the names of our antifascist leaders. Croats, montenegrins and macedonians have also names of their antifascist leaders. Can please dear heroic antifascist serbs provide us with the names of the guy which lead you in the WWII? There were albanian collaborationists, but please, will you say me that there were not serb collaborationists with the nazi in WWII? Will anybody have such a courage meanwhile the history is full of examples of your guys in black SS shirts? And with that, do I have also the right to say that "Serbs joined the nazis and committed crimes against us"? What is this perverse thirst of serbs to incriminate everybody just to justify what they cannot deny: the fact that they, the serbs, meanwhile were not under occupation, with their full support and ability to take decisions.

Klaudian,
Tirana - Albania.

To Marijan,
My friend, just last week some local Serb people from Ranillug (near Kosovska Kamenica), shot with fire weapons at five cars on the main road Gnjilane- Bujanovac.
Nobody was killed luckily. So we should percieve the actions of individuals (Serbs in this case) as a threat to Balkans?
You think that we should percieve all Serbian people as criminals?
No matter what you think, I know that I do not.
To Roger,
Crime is a crime no matter where, when or by whom it was commited. I am not trying to protect Ceku, but I will point out that if that was the case wouldn't he be in Hague already? He even voluntered to go there if neccesary to prove his case.
But on the other hand where is Mladic and the gang?
I will not claim that he is innocent since I don't know, but if there were hard facts I don't think he would be left to run a contry. If you can provide facts, I urge you to contact Interpol, ICTY, UN etc.

Not sure why my comment got cut off. I had quoted Mike that:
"for him (Ceku) to say that Serbia is warmongering is similar to Moktada al-Sadr saying the US forces in Iraq are causing trouble"

And added that, yes, both would be correct.

States occupying others' land, whether under the guise of "legality" and "sovereignty" on the one hand or straight illegailty on the other are those who "cause the problems"

All the chatter about Serbia's "legal" right to rule over a 90 percent Albanian region is irrelevant. The British, French, Dutch, Spanish, Belgian etc empires ruled los of countries but eventually had to give them up. Loads of new countries created. The Ottoman, Russian, Austro-Hungarian empires likewise had to give up their "soveriegn" rule over lots of other countries, like all today's Arab countries for example, or Serbia itself. Even in more recent times, smaller countries than these great empires which were ruling over other peoples had to give them up as decades and decades of trying to prevent people's rebellion were ultimaely all in vain and a massive waste of human life.

Yesterday, Bangladesh, Eritrea, East Timor.

Today Kosova.

Tomorrow Palestine, Iraq (from US), Kurdistan (from Iraq, Iran and Turkey), Kashmir, Papua, Mindanao, south Thailand, Basque country, the rest of Ireland, you name it.

Or those ruling countries can go on for another few decades shedding rivers of blood in vain to hold onto "sovereignty", or whatever other excuse, that the peoples they are ruling over do not recognise.

Get used to it Serbs. You're not alone as defeated colonial rulers. If you've got any issue, it should be the K Serbs situation, that's all.

Njazi,
where o where did you find me disrespecting victims of either side? Why don't you read my post and when you are done read it again with a clear mind...why? Because right in the beginning it says what...one victim is too many and God rest there souls. You side jumped most of my post. Your people lost every major war because you fought on the side of oppression and injustice. I was making the point that if K-Albanians can say Serbs abused then the Serbs can say the same about the almost complete eradication in WWI by your people, the Austrians, the Croats. And obviously your people did too on the great march your people were killing the Serbs without thought. This is a historical fact. Another historical fact is that your people fought with the German war machine every war and lost. Serbs stood up and lost everything for freedom and their sacrifice is well know throughout every history book not just Serbia's. Again Gen. Mihajlovic was awarded the highest honor by the US military. Period. As for my grandfather he passed long ago but he was from Obilic and how can I write an instance when it was his whole life that was taken from him daily in Kosovo, that is why he moved to Srem. There was no freedom. Just like Serbs now not on that scale like today but similar. And as for giving you dates and times go into any part of Serbia to talk to the over 200000 refugees from present day Kosovo and you can find more than enough tragedy. I guess you were fighting along the Serbs in 1389 that is why while living in California all my life and reading history books here at UC Santa Barbara I found so many American texts with mention of your people. Come on, in every book I picked up there is no mention of your people for centuries in Kosovo especially not in the battle for Kosovo 1389. You may have been their but it is obvious by changing your religion from first Catholicism to Islam you were not on the Serbian side.
And I will not stop posting, i did not respect any victim don't try to twist my words read clearly. Serbs have always forgiven, after every world war even though you, the Slovenians, the Croats, the Bosniaks, you all lost. the Serbs were the only group victorious as a state and the Serbs took all of you back and formed a state based on brotherhood tell me what nation in the world would have done that.

Marucs,
Please give me a list of states in the balkans, STATES, not certain individuals that stood up to the German war machine,...I'm waiting. Not Slovenia, Not Muslim Bosniaks, No Croatia, Not Albania, Not Kosovo Albanians, no one on the balkan penninsula except Serbs and Greeks stood up as a state, official government stance against the Austrians and then the Germans. Everybody was a nazi around Serbia, that is fact. Can you please check a French, German, African, American, Brazilian any history book can give you guidance if you need it. Serbs were a beacon of light in the major wars, always because they sacrificed everything for their freedom. Albanians and everybody else in the meantime threw roses at Hitlers feet if you dont believe be check out when Hitler and his buddies rolled through Ljubljana, Zagreb and Sarajevo. The people threw roses at their feet. You should stop the dreaming and wake up.

An opportunte moment to issue such a statement, which although somewhat hyprocritical, (Ceku is not civilian like say Rugova) it goes to show the danger of DSS statements made without much thinking.

The moment these statements are made the world press and Albanian leaders take advantage. They should think carefully.

What does 1 policemen shot dead in Macedonia have anything to do with this? Well, thats what the Albanian terrorists did in Kosovo. Thats what started this mess in the first place.

Look who is talking?

Who is asking to take a way a piece of an independent nation? HE IS!

Firt accept that Kosovo is part of Serbia. Then start (!) negotiating for autonomy.

Again, a peaceuful Kosovo in a peaceful Serbia in a peaceful Europe!

NO NEW BORDERS PLEASE!

1) Yes on one hand Ceku is one to talk, he commited various war crimes of his own, so this may appear slightly ironic...
2)However, who has been the greatest threat to peace in the Balkans in the last decade? Who started all those wars again? I believe it was Serbia, who's ruling party advocates continuing those wars to acheive Karlovac-Karlobag-Virovitica.(Well assuming they had the means, which they do not) Therefore his comments although hypocritical on one hand, also have merit on the other.
3) I am loving the Nazi references. Intersting how only Albanians/Bosnians/Croats/Slovenians are nazis, yet the first city in this area to be declared Judenfrei was Belgrade. Fact is, collaborators just as resistors were present in every single country that existed at the time, so don't go around talking about how Serbia was this innocent state that did not commit atrocities of it's own, and should therefore be entitled to land. This approach was tried before, and it did no good for Serbia. Learn from your mistakes no?
4)I suggest fighting hard for the partition of the north (which is pretty much 100% Serb), the presence of NATO troops to protect Serb enclaves (Greek soldiers would probably be the best idea), and some sort of deal with regards to Orthodox sights.

I don't understand why this warlord with a tie even gets media coverage? He is a total non-entity. He was given a repreive for his Bosnia war crimes by NATO so he could fill a hole in Pristina's puppet government. It is obvious. He has taken himself out of Kosovo's politics so, why is he even speaking? It will be good not to see this war criminal in Kosovo's government anymore.

how is this guy still a prime minister??

"for him (Ceku) to say that Serbia is warmongering is similar to Moktada al-Sadr saying the US forces in Iraq are causing trouble"

Regardless of your opinion towards Ceku, everything he said is true; the killing, rape, torching and warmongering did come and is coming from Belgrade. Even though the Serbs here might think he might have been involved in the same things too he is innocent until proven guilty by a court. However what he said is true despite your views about him.

Klaudian,
what you write here has no importance since your poor english and arguement cannot be be published in my mind.

Serbs have ruled and lived in Kosovo ever since they came to the balkan. When the slavs came they inhabited relativly uninhabited areas given to them by the emperor of Byzantium. They developed the land and thus claimed it to be theirs with no opposition because of their majority. All the cities in Kosovo have been made by Serbs, all the churches, most of the mosques by muslim Serbs (bosniaks). The name Kosovo and "Kosova" (incidently not a word but a radical slur used by Albanian extremists) are Serbian just as Prishtina and Mitrovica etc are.

The current 1999 waves of killing were initially started by the KLA and if Milosovic had not done anything then the entire Albanian arguement would be non-existant.
Serbs have always had a majority in Kosovo up until the albanians began killing and expelling them. We have been wronged in history and now in present day Kosovo so we will once again show our true colours and fight for our right to exist in Kosovo regardless of any Agim Ceku's. Every Albanian who believes he cannot live with Serbs in Kosovo wants "ethnic Albania" because the Serbs that lived there never killed or expelled anyone, that was Milosovic. They should not be punished for his actions nor should the albanians be rewarded for terrorist activities and their continues attempts to "albanianize" Kosovo by removing all other peoples and declare an independant Albanian state.

It is amazing how the Milosevic state propaganda made a fairly intelligent people (Serbs) believing anything they told them. Serbian police were terrorizing the whole albanian population in kosovo and that is what caused the uprising.

DimTuc,

Kosovo was/is NOT a colonoy of Serbia. People there had the right to vote.

Is Basque a colony of Spain then? Is Kurdistan a colony of Turkey?

Kosovo was/is NOT a colonoy of Serbia. People there had the right to vote.

Is Basque a colony of Spain then? Is Kurdistan a colony of Turkey?
(Ron, 12. September 2007 04:36)

Ron I am not too familiar with the Basques except for the fact that Franco called in the NAZIS to bomb the Basque region on behalf of Spain. Picasso has a painting called Gurenica about this event.
As for the Kurds the anwer is yes.
However once we solve our own problems let them do whatever they can to solve theirs.

@Rocky,
Talking about how Serbia is this beacon of light in the Balkans, and "EVERY BODY ELSE" is a Nazi is only going to hurt you.
WW2 eh? Interesting how the first city in the Balkans to be declared "Judenfrei" ie free of jews, was Belgrade! And you think only the Germans did this alone? Especially if as you claim all Serbia was resisting? That is kind of impossible isn't it? Have you even heard of the Banjica and Sajmiste concentration camps? Or Milan Nedic who ruled over the puppet state of Serbia, and Dimitrje Lotic who led an entire Cetnik division that openly collaborated with Axis forces against the Communists, who were considered a greater threat? What was the "Antimasonska Izlozba"? Something about a postage stamp...
http://www.croradio.net/cet.htm
Please don't talk about how only Serbs are the victims here, wake up...