"Serbs should take part in Kosovo vote"

Mr. Clynge is right to say that the victims are going to be Milan’s, Jovans of Kosova not Princips, Jovans, Cveles etc living outside. If they participate than they will be responsible for organizing their lives in Kosova not Belgrade failed politicians, housewife’s pensioners, Kates, Princips, Cveles and Jovan from a comfortable seat in UK, USA and elsewhere.

For some Serbs that say that Kosova is rife with corruption, organized crime etc, I suggest look at Serbia and see what is happening there(of course if you live there).You will be amazed how much of this corruption, organized crime etc is in Serbia proper. Many of Serb posters(when suits them)use to say that Bulgaria, Rumania and Italy are deep in organized crime, so I believe that our poor countries, Kosova and Serbia, are not exempt. It is not acceptable by any means but it is here, and that why we are fighting it

By the way Princip, if Germans are not even considering pulling out of Kosova but, even if they are to pull than it would be not to much problem since they are stationed in the borders with Albania. Also you have mentioned the rift between EU nations, but tell me when where they together on any issue. Kosova is a minor issue for EU and I think that they are not really bothered to much In the end EU countries are going to decide independently on the recognition of the Independence of Kosova.

"there is a danger that it could become a breeding ground for criminals"

- wow do Eu technocrats really think that could be the case? I thought many in the EU knew it already was the case!

"The study, commissioned by the German army, says the European Union's security strategy for a future mission in Kosovo is "neither analytically nor conceptually sustainable." The "false belief" in the blessing of independence is pushing "hopes for a leap in prosperity to unrealistic levels,.......The 124-page report blames the bleak prospects for the province's future on the UN administration, the NATO-led KFOR mission and the Europeans' "ostrich" policy. The study outlines mismanagement, corruption, organizational chaos and "organized crime gangs," which have infiltrated significant parts of the KFOR staff. The role of the United States is also deemed counterproductive: The IEP accuses Washington of being involved in helping criminals to flee, "sometimes openly" hindering European investigations into war crimes and training former KLA fighters -- an "obvious" breach of the UN resolution."
http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,471178,00.html

Looks like the Germans are pulling away from the UK policy of blindly following the US in regards to Serbia's province;

"Germany crucial
But according to many western diplomats, Germany is at the forefront of European nations against any unilateral move.

One Western diplomatic source told dtt-net.com that without having Berlin "backing the US and UK's eventual move on unilateral independence, both capitals would not be ready to provoke blow ups inside the EU and risk a serious crisis with Russia"."
http://euobserver.com/9/24731

I guess the Germans realise winter is coming up and the US is not a key supplier of natural gas (hot air maybe) and thus it's very important that the "Europeans" (EU & Russia) find a "European" solution.

Doea anybody in right mind think and beelive for e second that serbia cares for Albanian Serbs, absoluataly not.They are better of integrating in KosovA sociaty and start a niormal life rather than be a serb pawn for ever.

Serbs should take part in Kosovo Vote?
Absolutely, this is a very good opportunity for Kosovo Serbs to distance themselves from Serbia, same as Kosovo-Albanians are distancing themselves from Albania.
The reality is that Serbia doesn’t really care for Kosovo-Serbs – The Politicians in Belgrade enjoying good life and wealth whereas Kosovo-Serbs living in poverty by being victims of their own Politicians who are using them for their political survival.
Even the program for return is jeopardised by Belgrade and the ministry for returns in Kosovo whom is reserved for the Serbian and the minister is Serbian (but unfortunately take orders from Belgrade rather then thinking to help Serbians families to return).
My message to Kosovo-Serbs is: take charge of your life, be part of New Kosovo, take part on the election, and let’s make Kosovo a better place for all of us who live there.
Kosovo-Serbs are living for 8 years in false promises of Belgrade – 8 years in enclaves, in segregation, and why? What did you gain? Who benefited from your suffering? Did your life get any better in last 8 years?

You are welcomed I a New State of Kosovo- Be part of it.

Ximi
UK

Olf
So then you agree that EU will not unite on this? Then you must understand NO more foreign aid. Military or financially.

CCCC

Serbs who vote in the Kosovo elections without a clear status are clearly endorsing independence. Serbs vote in Serbian elections not KLA/UN elections.

Just more pie in the sky nonsense from the EU. And voting will make the Serbs have a lot of voting power and protection right? Ask if the Bosnian HDZ Croats enjoy being in Bosnia. The Serbs would never be welcomed in the Albanian dominated Kosovo so they should demand not to join in and boycott the vote. Besides, the North already doesn't act like it's part of Kosovo anyway. I bet the new Monastery built on the Serbian side sticks out like a sore thumb for the Albanians. Partition should be discussed and implemented and this Kosovo issue will be swept under the rug by the EU, which is what they wanted all along....unless the Kosovars pull out the mighty "violence" card.

Regardless, K-Serbs need to take part in local elections. They need to realize that whatever the outcome of osovo, neither Belgrade, nor Pristina will have any direct affect on their daily lives. It is time they were given the opportunity to control their own affairs, and it with through local government that they can start building the instittions to protect their interests, their livelihoods, and their protections.

Of course Princip that I only like to guess, same as you, what I would like to happen. You have mentioned the Slovakia decision the back the UNSC resolution but that was some time ago, things can change with the time. Slovakia and those opposing the independence may not recognise the Independence of Kosova at first but, with the time they will change their stance and recognise it, once they realise that it has only contributed to stability in region.

You have mentioned that Serbia is the successor of FRY. Princip let me remind you that Albanians where successors of Illyrian territories but they are not now since the time has changed, now we have neighbours Slavs. Now days, it would be really funny to claim the territories of the ancient Illyria. I am sure that you know all of these so I would not like to dwell on that. So, Serbia has lost Kosova and the International Laws will have to change again, for the 1000 time, and will change again in future to accommodate the needs. I would like once again to say that EU is not really known for its unity on any issue, so mate, lets skip this one as well. It would be nice to be united but even if they fails it would be nothing new.

Mind you, Kosova issue will bring Serbia nearer to democracy. I say this since I believe once the Kosova becomes Independent that these Serbian failed politicians would just have to leave the political scene for politicians that base Serbia politics in economic growth and European integration not on myth if Greater Serbia It would be really shame for Serbia to carry on with this leadership.

Serbs of Kosova are fortunate to live in an Albanian state. They will be able to enjoy the Albanian seaside and why not live there. Serbs of Kosova and Kosova Allbanians don't get along. I suggest them and propably will happen so, they will come down to Albania and stay there. In Albania we have good standards in treating minorities.

"The Kosovo Albanians are behaving as if they have received signals from Washington that they can get independence once the talks have ended, added Svilanović."

From a practical point of view, that can only be true south of the Ibar

Wait a second, Ahmet. "Albanian Serbs"? Don't you mean Kosovo Serbs? Are there Serbs in Albania, or are you jumping the gun here and thinking long-term strategic goals here?

Actually Ahmet, Ximi and other Serbian Albanians,

Belgrade very much cares for all Serbian citizens in the province as well as the 220,000 displaced outwith the province who have been cleansed irrespective of ethnicity. Even more important to the state of Serbia is the thousands who suffer under daily attacks against their human rights in the southern portion of it's province who are living lives in what amounts to 21st century pogroms which the local leadership care little otherwise many would have been encouraged to return.

Thus the question is why should any non-Albanians give credibility to those who make their life a misery and make 200,000 fearful of returning ?

Pricip,

You are really boring everyone with your same story. The question is whether Serbs should vote in the local elections? Why can't you elaborate on that? Whether Great Britain and EU joins US in recognising Kosova is another story. And I bet you, your gut feeling tells you exactly what the answer to that one is.

ximi,

You are welcome in the state of Serbia. You are already there!
Be part of it.

Kosovo is part of Serbia. We all know that. And we all know 1244.

Make the best of your life within the borders of Serbia. Like the Swedish people of Finland do within Finland!

Olf,

I very much doubt that the UK would join the US folly of undermining the UN - this is not about bypassing the UN if you had not forgotten there is a valid UN SC resolution "reaffirming" the sovereignity of Serbia (since we are all only too aware Serbia is the successor state to FRY). UK have been quite ambiguous who have only set forth suggestions for compromises and not one of ripping up UN SC resolutions and international norms and laws.

But then again now you try to ignore the importance of a united front from the EU suggesting that the issue is a minor one for them. Of course you realise that a united front is what will be the lowest common denominator and that is a solution which is aceptable in the UN and thus a "negotiated compromise". The Slovaks went alomg with the EU compromise of finding a solution through the UN and have a statue passed in parliment that this must be resolved within the UN - they could not now even consider such US folly even if they wanted to without Parlimentary debate.

However, if that is the case for the EU and it is not that important to the EU (in your view) then how important do you really believe the issue is to the US - all the way over the atlantic and with all it's issues that stem from flagrant ignorance of the UN and other pressing matters of debt?

"The Kosovo Albanians are behaving as if they have received signals from Washington that they can get independence once the talks have ended, added Svilanović."

Not only did Bush come to deliver his message himself, the dep of state reinstate those comments sep 7th. Of course only those of us who read news from other sources than serbianna would know this, the rest are simply living in mythland of 1389.

"there is a danger that it could become a breeding ground for criminals"

- wow do Eu technocrats really think that could be the case? I thought many in the EU knew it already was the case!

"The study, commissioned by the German army, says the European Union's security strategy for a future mission in Kosovo is "neither analytically nor conceptually sustainable." The "false belief" in the blessing of independence is pushing "hopes for a leap in prosperity to unrealistic levels,.......The 124-page report blames the bleak prospects for the province's future on the UN administration, the NATO-led KFOR mission and the Europeans' "ostrich" policy. The study outlines mismanagement, corruption, organizational chaos and "organized crime gangs," which have infiltrated significant parts of the KFOR staff. The role of the United States is also deemed counterproductive: The IEP accuses Washington of being involved in helping criminals to flee, "sometimes openly" hindering European investigations into war crimes and training former KLA fighters -- an "obvious" breach of the UN resolution."
http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,471178,00.html

Looks like the Germans are pulling away from the UK policy of blindly following the US in regards to Serbia's province;

"Germany crucial
But according to many western diplomats, Germany is at the forefront of European nations against any unilateral move.

One Western diplomatic source told dtt-net.com that without having Berlin "backing the US and UK's eventual move on unilateral independence, both capitals would not be ready to provoke blow ups inside the EU and risk a serious crisis with Russia"."
http://euobserver.com/9/24731

I guess the Germans realise winter is coming up and the US is not a key supplier of natural gas (hot air maybe) and thus it's very important that the "Europeans" (EU & Russia) find a "European" solution.

Mr. Clynge is right to say that the victims are going to be Milan’s, Jovans of Kosova not Princips, Jovans, Cveles etc living outside. If they participate than they will be responsible for organizing their lives in Kosova not Belgrade failed politicians, housewife’s pensioners, Kates, Princips, Cveles and Jovan from a comfortable seat in UK, USA and elsewhere.

For some Serbs that say that Kosova is rife with corruption, organized crime etc, I suggest look at Serbia and see what is happening there(of course if you live there).You will be amazed how much of this corruption, organized crime etc is in Serbia proper. Many of Serb posters(when suits them)use to say that Bulgaria, Rumania and Italy are deep in organized crime, so I believe that our poor countries, Kosova and Serbia, are not exempt. It is not acceptable by any means but it is here, and that why we are fighting it

By the way Princip, if Germans are not even considering pulling out of Kosova but, even if they are to pull than it would be not to much problem since they are stationed in the borders with Albania. Also you have mentioned the rift between EU nations, but tell me when where they together on any issue. Kosova is a minor issue for EU and I think that they are not really bothered to much In the end EU countries are going to decide independently on the recognition of the Independence of Kosova.

Olf
So then you agree that EU will not unite on this? Then you must understand NO more foreign aid. Military or financially.

CCCC

Just more pie in the sky nonsense from the EU. And voting will make the Serbs have a lot of voting power and protection right? Ask if the Bosnian HDZ Croats enjoy being in Bosnia. The Serbs would never be welcomed in the Albanian dominated Kosovo so they should demand not to join in and boycott the vote. Besides, the North already doesn't act like it's part of Kosovo anyway. I bet the new Monastery built on the Serbian side sticks out like a sore thumb for the Albanians. Partition should be discussed and implemented and this Kosovo issue will be swept under the rug by the EU, which is what they wanted all along....unless the Kosovars pull out the mighty "violence" card.

Olf,

I very much doubt that the UK would join the US folly of undermining the UN - this is not about bypassing the UN if you had not forgotten there is a valid UN SC resolution "reaffirming" the sovereignity of Serbia (since we are all only too aware Serbia is the successor state to FRY). UK have been quite ambiguous who have only set forth suggestions for compromises and not one of ripping up UN SC resolutions and international norms and laws.

But then again now you try to ignore the importance of a united front from the EU suggesting that the issue is a minor one for them. Of course you realise that a united front is what will be the lowest common denominator and that is a solution which is aceptable in the UN and thus a "negotiated compromise". The Slovaks went alomg with the EU compromise of finding a solution through the UN and have a statue passed in parliment that this must be resolved within the UN - they could not now even consider such US folly even if they wanted to without Parlimentary debate.

However, if that is the case for the EU and it is not that important to the EU (in your view) then how important do you really believe the issue is to the US - all the way over the atlantic and with all it's issues that stem from flagrant ignorance of the UN and other pressing matters of debt?

Doea anybody in right mind think and beelive for e second that serbia cares for Albanian Serbs, absoluataly not.They are better of integrating in KosovA sociaty and start a niormal life rather than be a serb pawn for ever.

Of course Princip that I only like to guess, same as you, what I would like to happen. You have mentioned the Slovakia decision the back the UNSC resolution but that was some time ago, things can change with the time. Slovakia and those opposing the independence may not recognise the Independence of Kosova at first but, with the time they will change their stance and recognise it, once they realise that it has only contributed to stability in region.

You have mentioned that Serbia is the successor of FRY. Princip let me remind you that Albanians where successors of Illyrian territories but they are not now since the time has changed, now we have neighbours Slavs. Now days, it would be really funny to claim the territories of the ancient Illyria. I am sure that you know all of these so I would not like to dwell on that. So, Serbia has lost Kosova and the International Laws will have to change again, for the 1000 time, and will change again in future to accommodate the needs. I would like once again to say that EU is not really known for its unity on any issue, so mate, lets skip this one as well. It would be nice to be united but even if they fails it would be nothing new.

Mind you, Kosova issue will bring Serbia nearer to democracy. I say this since I believe once the Kosova becomes Independent that these Serbian failed politicians would just have to leave the political scene for politicians that base Serbia politics in economic growth and European integration not on myth if Greater Serbia It would be really shame for Serbia to carry on with this leadership.

"The Kosovo Albanians are behaving as if they have received signals from Washington that they can get independence once the talks have ended, added Svilanović."

From a practical point of view, that can only be true south of the Ibar

Serbs should take part in Kosovo Vote?
Absolutely, this is a very good opportunity for Kosovo Serbs to distance themselves from Serbia, same as Kosovo-Albanians are distancing themselves from Albania.
The reality is that Serbia doesn’t really care for Kosovo-Serbs – The Politicians in Belgrade enjoying good life and wealth whereas Kosovo-Serbs living in poverty by being victims of their own Politicians who are using them for their political survival.
Even the program for return is jeopardised by Belgrade and the ministry for returns in Kosovo whom is reserved for the Serbian and the minister is Serbian (but unfortunately take orders from Belgrade rather then thinking to help Serbians families to return).
My message to Kosovo-Serbs is: take charge of your life, be part of New Kosovo, take part on the election, and let’s make Kosovo a better place for all of us who live there.
Kosovo-Serbs are living for 8 years in false promises of Belgrade – 8 years in enclaves, in segregation, and why? What did you gain? Who benefited from your suffering? Did your life get any better in last 8 years?

You are welcomed I a New State of Kosovo- Be part of it.

Ximi
UK

Wait a second, Ahmet. "Albanian Serbs"? Don't you mean Kosovo Serbs? Are there Serbs in Albania, or are you jumping the gun here and thinking long-term strategic goals here?

Actually Ahmet, Ximi and other Serbian Albanians,

Belgrade very much cares for all Serbian citizens in the province as well as the 220,000 displaced outwith the province who have been cleansed irrespective of ethnicity. Even more important to the state of Serbia is the thousands who suffer under daily attacks against their human rights in the southern portion of it's province who are living lives in what amounts to 21st century pogroms which the local leadership care little otherwise many would have been encouraged to return.

Thus the question is why should any non-Albanians give credibility to those who make their life a misery and make 200,000 fearful of returning ?

Pricip,

You are really boring everyone with your same story. The question is whether Serbs should vote in the local elections? Why can't you elaborate on that? Whether Great Britain and EU joins US in recognising Kosova is another story. And I bet you, your gut feeling tells you exactly what the answer to that one is.

Serbs of Kosova are fortunate to live in an Albanian state. They will be able to enjoy the Albanian seaside and why not live there. Serbs of Kosova and Kosova Allbanians don't get along. I suggest them and propably will happen so, they will come down to Albania and stay there. In Albania we have good standards in treating minorities.

ximi,

You are welcome in the state of Serbia. You are already there!
Be part of it.

Kosovo is part of Serbia. We all know that. And we all know 1244.

Make the best of your life within the borders of Serbia. Like the Swedish people of Finland do within Finland!

Serbs who vote in the Kosovo elections without a clear status are clearly endorsing independence. Serbs vote in Serbian elections not KLA/UN elections.

Regardless, K-Serbs need to take part in local elections. They need to realize that whatever the outcome of osovo, neither Belgrade, nor Pristina will have any direct affect on their daily lives. It is time they were given the opportunity to control their own affairs, and it with through local government that they can start building the instittions to protect their interests, their livelihoods, and their protections.

"The Kosovo Albanians are behaving as if they have received signals from Washington that they can get independence once the talks have ended, added Svilanović."

Not only did Bush come to deliver his message himself, the dep of state reinstate those comments sep 7th. Of course only those of us who read news from other sources than serbianna would know this, the rest are simply living in mythland of 1389.