Kouchner: EU unity "most precious" in Kosovo issue

Well, well, Mr. Kouchner has completely changed his tune. Now he says that European Unity (which there is none, on Kosovo) is more important than the fate of Kosovo, and that Russia's stance must be respected. Very nice to hear. The Russian bear seems to be changing the foreign policy of Europe as we speak. All those albanians and their fans who keep saying that Russia is weak and insignificant should take note. If they are so weak then why has France completely changed their opinion on the Kosovo issue now? We look forward to more countries jumping on board, leaving the UK and US completely alone on this issue. Come one, come all!

Sorry to crash your party but Kouchner comments were taken out of context by B92 and twisted.
Here is the article http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L04792467.htm

And here was me thinking that Monsieur Kouchner was the most 'precious' thing in Europe!

I agree with Dragan that this is good to hear, if only because it shows some sanity and balance is returning. Even with Kouchner.

Dragan, don't forget that the UK now has a new PM who may follow the US but won't necessarily be a Mephistophilis on Bush's shoulder as Blair was with Clinton. We can but hope!

No Laki, they are not taken out of context. The same point comes across in your link as well:

"All 27 of us will meet to support a European position, which is not necessarily that of Russia, which spoke a little strongly yesterday, or that of the United States ... which seems too determined. It will be a European position."

Certainly a new perspective from M. 'feel the lerve' Kouchner, who would have been expected to be 100% pro independence.

Kouchner noted after a meeting with the Romanian foreign minister, Adrian Cioroianu, that “Europe’s unity is more important than the fate of Kosovo,” according to Beta.

Albans give up already. Thats it. Independence is coming as soon as Serbs go back into Pristina and remove the statues of clinton and blair from our lovely landscape.

KS
There is something that says people cannot declare their independence in a foreign county. Its called national sovereignty.

Now, there is no need to worry because serbia is puting its fate on the hands of Kouchner.If you guys knew Mr. Kouchner the EX-SRSG as we Albanians know him. He is a very clever politician and he uses diplomatic language that makes you beleive tha he is on your side but when time comes you will be graetaly disipointed.You will see.

Kate,

your right to point out the flaw in Laki's viewpoint and I think the clincher is Kouchners line;

"The unity must be maintained, it is more precious than Kosovo's fate in relation to Serbia or not,"

i.e. we don't really want to be propping up a mono-ethnic mafiocracy narco entity and nor will we!

I wonder what the US line will be now that it is clear that the EU will not follow their line? The UK have distanced themselves from US policy over Iraq and there is a sense that the lesser priority of Kosovo will be no different. It really is about time that the ethnic-Albanian leadership in the Serbian province came clean and let people like Ahmet, Laki an Co. know the reality that the US have warned Ceku that any illegal declarations will prompt an immediate withdrawal and all the chaos that will follow.

Laki NY
I read that same article but what I see there is... supervise autonomy. Not even autonomy, because you are not able to govern yourselves as you have shown in the past 8 years, so supervised autonomy it is.

Everything is changing because EU wish to respect international law and when Kosovo independence couldn't pass the UNSC, the EU lost their interest in that cause. Nobody is interested in illegal independence but in a fair and true compromise where international law is respected.

KS,
"No where does it say in any document (religious or politics) that people aren't allowed to proclaim their freedom."

but 1244 does say that Serbia's soverignity is reaffirmed and since there will be no new UN SC stating the contrary accept the state your in !

“The unity of Europe is very significant in relation to the solution for the Serbian province,” he explained, noting that there were differences in the approach to the issue. "

right so, Mr.Kouchner, you have said it right...the serbian province.

KS:
to refresh your history-skills...: the English recognized american independence, ... so, that made it legal.

that´s unfortunately ( unfortunately for you ) something Serbia won´t do, that´s something you can be sure of.

but, since you call America "your country" ... Americans are well known not to be very firm when it comes to history...

perhaps you should visit a library near you instead of surfing albanian web-sites!

kate and princip read below:
"All 27 of us will meet to support a European position, which is not necessarily that of Russia, which spoke a little strongly yesterday, or that of the United States ... which seems too determined. It will be a European position." - so independence under EU supervision.
Also you guys seem to forget who is Bernard Kouchner! He is pro-American as it gets and very informed of Albanian issue in Kosova
.

Nobody is interested in illegal independence but in a fair and true compromise where international law is respected.
(Jonas, 4. September 2007 15:30)

Wise up, there is no such thing as "illegal independence." No where does it say in any document (religious or politics) that people aren't allowed to proclaim their freedom. No one is interested in compromise. Not my politicians, not yours, only these politicians who want a 15minute spotlight on the news. If they had such a breakthrough than they wouldn't mind telling us where the partition falls in and so on and so on.

It seems that Kosova's independence is inevitable bc of Kosovar's will, America's determination to spread democracy , create a partner, and the Russian grudge. The only thing that Belgrade can do is blame others and blow-out; they all know the outcome (independence).

Kate
you have to be very carefull when it comes to Mr. Coushner just a reminder
He was the person who created Kosovo postal service (throwing out the serbian one)
2. He was the first international SRSG who changed the entire judicial system
And beleive me he is a very close friend of the Kosovo Albanian cause (see his published book)
So after saying this and knowing him personally i would not bet my cards on him if I was a Serb
Thank you

I highly doubt Kouchner said '...of the serbian province.' It is not a language foreign politicians use to talk about Kosovo and has never been heard outside Serb/Russian political circles. So, when you quote him, B92 agency, please have the decency NOT to include things in quotes that have NOT been said by Kouchner, or anyone else for that matter.

# KS,
"No where does it say in any document (religious or politics) that people aren't allowed to proclaim their freedom."

but 1244 does say that Serbia's soverignity is reaffirmed and since there will be no new UN SC stating the contrary accept the state your in !
(Princip, UK, 4. September 2007 17:00)

Umm wrong. There will be a new resolution. Also according to this logic that you can't declare independence it would mean the world is composed of one Country/State---since the rest have illegally declared independence.

With this in mind I guess my country (America) is still Great Britain property since America declared independence ILLEGALLY back 200 years ago.

Benny
After Lavrovs statements yesterday. He could write volumes and volumes of books about his love for the alban and he will sing the tune of whatever the Russians tell him. Russia is able to make the EU collapse without firing a single bullet. So what he says now is a way watered down version of what the Russians told him.

A lot of people in the West are scratching their heads now and rethinking their strategies. Which all have to be turned around 180 degrees.

Basically, its either RUSSIA, Serbia, Spain, Slovakia, China, and many more... or US and albans.

All I have to ask is; Who feeds you?

CCCC

"Legally still part of the Serbian Republic, Kosovo has been run by the United Nations since mid-1999 as a protectorate".

To all the readers. You must admit that this has been done through brute force, intimidation, and sickening lies against Serbia.

If you have any doubt, read the statements of previous leaders like Blair and the rest of the so called leaders and you'll find out that 99% has been disproved.
100,000 Albanians dead, stadiums of bodies, babies eaten alive ect.....and still these so called leaders have the nerve to soun concerned.

There is a saying the Americans have which came to haunt them after arming the muhajadin .

That' "Blowback"

Same with Serbia's Albanian leadership who are calling fot the rape of this country.

Albans give up already. Thats it. Independence is coming as soon as Serbs go back into Pristina and remove the statues of clinton and blair from our lovely landscape.
(Cvele, 4. September 2007 16:14)
I read that same article but what I see there is... supervise autonomy. Not even autonomy, because you are not able to govern yourselves as you have shown in the past 8 years, so supervised autonomy it is.
(Cvele, 4. September 2007 20:02)
Please, somebody, anybody...Just tell me how will YOU make it happen???
You tried when everything was in your favor and you lost. Why do you think that you will fare better this time???
A simple answer with logical arguments, please.

To CVELE
My dear neighbour. I am not betting anything ob Kouchner or anyone else it is them that decide who to help which ion this case they saw it as appropriate to help Kosovo Albanians to make a path for their new State.
Yes you arer right when you say that Russians have slowed the process but that doesn't neccessary mean to abandon it, So i understand your anger and frustration(that you have wrote in past for "ALBANS"), but you should adress this towards your leaders and look back to your most recent history as to what happened why you lost control over Kosovo, I think that itself will answer most of youyr doubts but first it is Belgrade that made you feel this much hate for other humas which once were your neighbours and you claim to bring it back under the same roof again (ironic right?)
Anyway I will not tell you again why you lost every possible right on Kosovo but will advice you that it's year 2007 and thing have changed a lot so try to think proactive instead of prolonging war and hate toward others who just want its freedom. And it's not about pride or money or anything else what you say but It's about the freedom or the slavery of a nation. This is the essence, and it should never be forgotten. There is a whole nation requesting the oldest thing the humanity ever asked the basis of civilization -- its freedom. That is why I am surprised by the foolishness of public opinion in Serbian posters here regarding an issue that should not be treated as a dilemma.
I'm looing forward onto continuing our conversation.
thank you

Nobody is interested in illegal independence but in a fair and true compromise where international law is respected.
(Jonas, 4. September 2007 15:30)

Wise up, there is no such thing as "illegal independence." No where does it say in any document (religious or politics) that people aren't allowed to proclaim their freedom. No one is interested in compromise. Not my politicians, not yours, only these politicians who want a 15minute spotlight on the news. If they had such a breakthrough than they wouldn't mind telling us where the partition falls in and so on and so on.

It seems that Kosova's independence is inevitable bc of Kosovar's will, America's determination to spread democracy , create a partner, and the Russian grudge. The only thing that Belgrade can do is blame others and blow-out; they all know the outcome (independence).

# KS,
"No where does it say in any document (religious or politics) that people aren't allowed to proclaim their freedom."

but 1244 does say that Serbia's soverignity is reaffirmed and since there will be no new UN SC stating the contrary accept the state your in !
(Princip, UK, 4. September 2007 17:00)

Umm wrong. There will be a new resolution. Also according to this logic that you can't declare independence it would mean the world is composed of one Country/State---since the rest have illegally declared independence.

With this in mind I guess my country (America) is still Great Britain property since America declared independence ILLEGALLY back 200 years ago.

Well, well, Mr. Kouchner has completely changed his tune. Now he says that European Unity (which there is none, on Kosovo) is more important than the fate of Kosovo, and that Russia's stance must be respected. Very nice to hear. The Russian bear seems to be changing the foreign policy of Europe as we speak. All those albanians and their fans who keep saying that Russia is weak and insignificant should take note. If they are so weak then why has France completely changed their opinion on the Kosovo issue now? We look forward to more countries jumping on board, leaving the UK and US completely alone on this issue. Come one, come all!

And here was me thinking that Monsieur Kouchner was the most 'precious' thing in Europe!

I agree with Dragan that this is good to hear, if only because it shows some sanity and balance is returning. Even with Kouchner.

Dragan, don't forget that the UK now has a new PM who may follow the US but won't necessarily be a Mephistophilis on Bush's shoulder as Blair was with Clinton. We can but hope!

Sorry to crash your party but Kouchner comments were taken out of context by B92 and twisted.
Here is the article http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L04792467.htm

Now, there is no need to worry because serbia is puting its fate on the hands of Kouchner.If you guys knew Mr. Kouchner the EX-SRSG as we Albanians know him. He is a very clever politician and he uses diplomatic language that makes you beleive tha he is on your side but when time comes you will be graetaly disipointed.You will see.

Everything is changing because EU wish to respect international law and when Kosovo independence couldn't pass the UNSC, the EU lost their interest in that cause. Nobody is interested in illegal independence but in a fair and true compromise where international law is respected.

No Laki, they are not taken out of context. The same point comes across in your link as well:

"All 27 of us will meet to support a European position, which is not necessarily that of Russia, which spoke a little strongly yesterday, or that of the United States ... which seems too determined. It will be a European position."

Certainly a new perspective from M. 'feel the lerve' Kouchner, who would have been expected to be 100% pro independence.

Kouchner noted after a meeting with the Romanian foreign minister, Adrian Cioroianu, that “Europe’s unity is more important than the fate of Kosovo,” according to Beta.

Albans give up already. Thats it. Independence is coming as soon as Serbs go back into Pristina and remove the statues of clinton and blair from our lovely landscape.

Kate,

your right to point out the flaw in Laki's viewpoint and I think the clincher is Kouchners line;

"The unity must be maintained, it is more precious than Kosovo's fate in relation to Serbia or not,"

i.e. we don't really want to be propping up a mono-ethnic mafiocracy narco entity and nor will we!

I wonder what the US line will be now that it is clear that the EU will not follow their line? The UK have distanced themselves from US policy over Iraq and there is a sense that the lesser priority of Kosovo will be no different. It really is about time that the ethnic-Albanian leadership in the Serbian province came clean and let people like Ahmet, Laki an Co. know the reality that the US have warned Ceku that any illegal declarations will prompt an immediate withdrawal and all the chaos that will follow.

KS,
"No where does it say in any document (religious or politics) that people aren't allowed to proclaim their freedom."

but 1244 does say that Serbia's soverignity is reaffirmed and since there will be no new UN SC stating the contrary accept the state your in !

kate and princip read below:
"All 27 of us will meet to support a European position, which is not necessarily that of Russia, which spoke a little strongly yesterday, or that of the United States ... which seems too determined. It will be a European position." - so independence under EU supervision.
Also you guys seem to forget who is Bernard Kouchner! He is pro-American as it gets and very informed of Albanian issue in Kosova
.

I highly doubt Kouchner said '...of the serbian province.' It is not a language foreign politicians use to talk about Kosovo and has never been heard outside Serb/Russian political circles. So, when you quote him, B92 agency, please have the decency NOT to include things in quotes that have NOT been said by Kouchner, or anyone else for that matter.

Kate
you have to be very carefull when it comes to Mr. Coushner just a reminder
He was the person who created Kosovo postal service (throwing out the serbian one)
2. He was the first international SRSG who changed the entire judicial system
And beleive me he is a very close friend of the Kosovo Albanian cause (see his published book)
So after saying this and knowing him personally i would not bet my cards on him if I was a Serb
Thank you

KS
There is something that says people cannot declare their independence in a foreign county. Its called national sovereignty.

Laki NY
I read that same article but what I see there is... supervise autonomy. Not even autonomy, because you are not able to govern yourselves as you have shown in the past 8 years, so supervised autonomy it is.

“The unity of Europe is very significant in relation to the solution for the Serbian province,” he explained, noting that there were differences in the approach to the issue. "

right so, Mr.Kouchner, you have said it right...the serbian province.

KS:
to refresh your history-skills...: the English recognized american independence, ... so, that made it legal.

that´s unfortunately ( unfortunately for you ) something Serbia won´t do, that´s something you can be sure of.

but, since you call America "your country" ... Americans are well known not to be very firm when it comes to history...

perhaps you should visit a library near you instead of surfing albanian web-sites!

Benny
After Lavrovs statements yesterday. He could write volumes and volumes of books about his love for the alban and he will sing the tune of whatever the Russians tell him. Russia is able to make the EU collapse without firing a single bullet. So what he says now is a way watered down version of what the Russians told him.

A lot of people in the West are scratching their heads now and rethinking their strategies. Which all have to be turned around 180 degrees.

Basically, its either RUSSIA, Serbia, Spain, Slovakia, China, and many more... or US and albans.

All I have to ask is; Who feeds you?

CCCC

"Legally still part of the Serbian Republic, Kosovo has been run by the United Nations since mid-1999 as a protectorate".

To all the readers. You must admit that this has been done through brute force, intimidation, and sickening lies against Serbia.

If you have any doubt, read the statements of previous leaders like Blair and the rest of the so called leaders and you'll find out that 99% has been disproved.
100,000 Albanians dead, stadiums of bodies, babies eaten alive ect.....and still these so called leaders have the nerve to soun concerned.

There is a saying the Americans have which came to haunt them after arming the muhajadin .

That' "Blowback"

Same with Serbia's Albanian leadership who are calling fot the rape of this country.

Albans give up already. Thats it. Independence is coming as soon as Serbs go back into Pristina and remove the statues of clinton and blair from our lovely landscape.
(Cvele, 4. September 2007 16:14)
I read that same article but what I see there is... supervise autonomy. Not even autonomy, because you are not able to govern yourselves as you have shown in the past 8 years, so supervised autonomy it is.
(Cvele, 4. September 2007 20:02)
Please, somebody, anybody...Just tell me how will YOU make it happen???
You tried when everything was in your favor and you lost. Why do you think that you will fare better this time???
A simple answer with logical arguments, please.

To CVELE
My dear neighbour. I am not betting anything ob Kouchner or anyone else it is them that decide who to help which ion this case they saw it as appropriate to help Kosovo Albanians to make a path for their new State.
Yes you arer right when you say that Russians have slowed the process but that doesn't neccessary mean to abandon it, So i understand your anger and frustration(that you have wrote in past for "ALBANS"), but you should adress this towards your leaders and look back to your most recent history as to what happened why you lost control over Kosovo, I think that itself will answer most of youyr doubts but first it is Belgrade that made you feel this much hate for other humas which once were your neighbours and you claim to bring it back under the same roof again (ironic right?)
Anyway I will not tell you again why you lost every possible right on Kosovo but will advice you that it's year 2007 and thing have changed a lot so try to think proactive instead of prolonging war and hate toward others who just want its freedom. And it's not about pride or money or anything else what you say but It's about the freedom or the slavery of a nation. This is the essence, and it should never be forgotten. There is a whole nation requesting the oldest thing the humanity ever asked the basis of civilization -- its freedom. That is why I am surprised by the foolishness of public opinion in Serbian posters here regarding an issue that should not be treated as a dilemma.
I'm looing forward onto continuing our conversation.
thank you