Lavrov does not dismiss partition as option

In the end Serbia will still be holding the legal deed to all the land of Kosovo regardless of which ethnic groups live there with the UNSC as the title company guaranteeing that ownership right and the Russians with an option to buy the mines and a legally enforcable contract that will stand up in any European court of law.If the separatists go for broke/all or nothing they will end up with nothing.

One look at the map and anybody can see Russia is the most important country in Europe.The US has a consumer market of 300 million where the EU countries can sell their products but Russia has the raw materials to sell to the Europeans in order to be able to manufacture those products.Why would anybody think that what 6 million Albanians want is more important for Europe than what Russia says?Delusional people?

once again, there´s no need for partition. it is Serbia, all of it.

if someone in the west fears the Albanians, so be it, but that´s not the case with Serbia.

partition seems to be mentioned only because of the strong NJET by the Russians.

the west is weak, actually, saying A but doing B, that´s becoming clearer and clearer the longer one watches the whole thing...

seems like the west DOES INDEED care for what the Russians say on this issue despite all those naive ( albanian ) comments of "Russia backing down before the one and only global super power"...

there is no need to divide anything, keep that in mind!

You already have de facto partition.There is never going to be a need for the Serbs to legalize it.

that´s even funnier then the "indiependence-talk" about kosmet!

come on george, give the leader of the free world - tsar vladi the great - a phone call about your wishes and dreams!

would be hard to talk to him in sydney about your needs, while he is still in moscow!

I have said it many times before on this web site that serbia does not care about K-Serbs and monasteries/churches but all they care is the wealth on the northern part of Mitro.But the bottom line is even russai knows they are fighting a loosing battle and in the end they will tell serbia we did all we could just lik the time before NATO started bombing serbia. You will see.

Let say for the sake of argument KosovA is patitioed and northern Mitrovica with Leposavic and Zubin Potok will end up with serbia proper, what is the prosentige of entire KosovA partition? If serb poticians think they won by managing to keep no more that 5-6 % of KosovA land and they play like they kept more than half of KoosvA, SO BE IT .

yeah, I see...,
that´s it, my dear Ahmed, you might be glad if it happened that way since you feel the "loss of the moment", but, ...there is still no reason for Serbia to divide anything...

let´s just see what future brings.

Let say for the sake of argument KosovA is patitioed and northern Mitrovica with Leposavic and Zubin Potok will end up with serbia proper, what is the prosentige of entire KosovA partition? If serb poticians think they won by managing to keep no more that 5-6 % of KosovA land and they play like they kept more than half of KoosvA, SO BE IT .
(ahmet isufi, 31. August 2007 21:18)

Its 15% which is the North. But we are thinking all the way to Ibar and a bit more.

One look at the map and anyone can see that RUSSIA is in Asia. Sorry, over 50% is in Asia. In fact the majority of Russians claim Russia is its' own continent.
(KS, 31. August 2007 22:10)

Exactlly, so whats more important to EU, the RUSSIAN CONTINENT or KOSOVO?

To all Kosovars here:

If you want to leave Serbia (so independent Kosovo), why don't you allow North Kosovo to leave Kosovo (so stay in Serbia proper)?

I thought that it was a good thing to let an other person have, what you want to have yourself?

an agreement supported by both sides is all we've heard from Russians

there will be no agreement!
we know that, you know that and your mama knows that

what then Lavrov?
ischinger says talks end Dec. 10 and decision be made

What will it be Lavrov?

US and EU said if no agreement is reached, Ahtisaari plan takes effect

I'm confused Lavrov

Russia is reading this situation perfectly because only through dialoge and compromise there can be long lasting peace.

Ahmet,
At the end serbian politicians would be even happy to keep few square meters to show that they kept something.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov does not rule out the possibility that Russia may back a partition of Kosovo.


It doesn't say he WILL it says he MAY. A couple small words, but they're quite different. Just like "NO", which is a complete sentence.

If Serbia were to come forward with a reasonable plan for partition “based” on Ahtisaari’s protection for minorities I believe that if the UNSC is forced to impose a solution, that plan will most likely be partition.

The reality is all ethnicities in the region are abused when they are in the minority, we must adopt a solution that minimizes that to the highest degree possible.

Ahmet, what concessions would you demand for some rights for our churches in Pec and Decani? Or is what you said the only solution you might settle for?

Let say for the sake of argument KosovA is patitioed and northern Mitrovica with Leposavic and Zubin Potok will end up with serbia proper, what is the prosentige of entire KosovA partition? If serb poticians think they won by managing to keep no more that 5-6 % of KosovA land and they play like they kept more than half of KoosvA, SO BE IT .
(ahmet isufi, 31. August 2007 21:18)

Its 15% which is the North. But we are thinking all the way to Ibar and a bit more.

One look at the map and anyone can see that RUSSIA is in Asia. Sorry, over 50% is in Asia. In fact the majority of Russians claim Russia is its' own continent.
(KS, 31. August 2007 22:10)

Exactlly, so whats more important to EU, the RUSSIAN CONTINENT or KOSOVO?

2 out of the 3 in the troika have now hinted to both sides that partition is ok. Not to forget that Dutch minister too.

"One look at the map and anybody can see Russia is the most important country in Europe"

One look at the map and anyone can see that RUSSIA is in Asia. Sorry, over 50% is in Asia. In fact the majority of Russians claim Russia is its' own continent.

Partition? Serbia gets Trepca, I mean Mitrovica and Kosova gets [unsupervised] independence. Serbia's main argument that it wants to protect mythical (1389) monuments (churches) is now at question. The mythical battle happened in Kosovë Plateau which means that they would get no control over this territory. Also the churches are located mainly in Western part of Kosova which again is no near Trepça. Is it just me or are the serbs only after Trepça? You decide.

I have responded with an appropriate answer to both cele and mathew but B92 did not post my comenst. sorry guys blame b92.

Mr,Ron
why dont independet kosovo let northern mitrovica to go???why should they??why serbia dont exchange other albanian cities inside serbia like preshevo, medvegje,bujanovc,etc?

Europe’s mindset divides and rule, this paradigm must change if Europe really wants to Unite. It seems to me that most Albanians think like Faton Klinaku “the secretary of the veterans organization of the Kosovo Liberation Army [KLA], Faton Klinaku, has warned that Kosovo's division must be carried out in line with international principles: the right to self-determination, ethnic principle and the principle of majority. "These principles should be applied not just to Kosovo but to Presevo [southern Serbia], Macedonia and Montenegro," Kliniku told Bulgarian media. According to him, wherever there are Albanians there will be Albania, and this will happen if Kosovo is divided. "In the final analysis, these developments are in our interest since then all Albanians would be unified in one state," Kliniku said. He who wants everything for himself but denies it to others may not get anything in the end.

serbia may have to face the reality of partition and secure the most viable economic parts. Unfortunately Serbia is in no - win situation. Take what you can in negotiations, and as the history of the Balkans has taught us; wait for the future. A greater Albania is a huge threat to security for Serbia, Montenegro, makedonia, Greece, but it is a reality, and as an internationalist, it is the only way forward, in the short term. Serbs must embrace it with guaranteed minority rights and like-wise equal guaranteed rights for minorities in Southern serbia. The only way out of the impasse.

I think Russia can block the solution for some time. History proves Russia backs down easily. In any way, i dont think Russia can go any further than that. I see a lot of comments about how Russia that and that, and even the 'bishop' Pavle praying that Russia does so. I wonder whether Serbs will ever learn a lesson from their history. Yes, it is more than clear that Russia has some limited power, but can you tell me what have Serbs won so far from Russia! Nothing, it just confrirms an alliance of similar paradoxes. It confirms a unification of two most undemocratic nations in Europe.

"Lavrov does not dismiss partition as option"
Partition of KosovA or Serbia??????

"To all Kosovars here:
If you want to leave Serbia (so independent Kosovo), why don't you allow North Kosovo to leave Kosovo (so stay in Serbia proper)?
I thought that it was a good thing to let an other person have, what you want to have yourself?
(Ron, 1. September 2007 04:00) "
Obviously Ron is not from around Europe at all and doesn't know that the real Serb appetites are further to Croatia, and down to Macedonia and Albania. They have always fought for territories, not people. If they had the power like they were let loose in the ninties, they would do that. The partition of KosovA is not a good bargain for the Serbs, and they know it.

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Exactlly, so whats more important to EU, the RUSSIAN CONTINENT or KOSOVO?
(Cvele, 1. September 2007 01:40)

First of all get your facts straight Kosova under serbia was barely 12% in mass not 15%. Also russia is a rogue nation with over 300 nuclear missiles missing somewhere. Russia continually threatens Europe that they will cut out Gas & Oil.

Kosova is about stability in Europe. Russia is not a continent and it never will be. Stop believing in myths and mis beliefs.

I have said it many times before on this web site that serbia does not care about K-Serbs and monasteries/churches but all they care is the wealth on the northern part of Mitro.But the bottom line is even russai knows they are fighting a loosing battle and in the end they will tell serbia we did all we could just lik the time before NATO started bombing serbia. You will see.

an agreement supported by both sides is all we've heard from Russians

there will be no agreement!
we know that, you know that and your mama knows that

what then Lavrov?
ischinger says talks end Dec. 10 and decision be made

What will it be Lavrov?

US and EU said if no agreement is reached, Ahtisaari plan takes effect

I'm confused Lavrov

Let say for the sake of argument KosovA is patitioed and northern Mitrovica with Leposavic and Zubin Potok will end up with serbia proper, what is the prosentige of entire KosovA partition? If serb poticians think they won by managing to keep no more that 5-6 % of KosovA land and they play like they kept more than half of KoosvA, SO BE IT .

Ahmet,
At the end serbian politicians would be even happy to keep few square meters to show that they kept something.

Partition? Serbia gets Trepca, I mean Mitrovica and Kosova gets [unsupervised] independence. Serbia's main argument that it wants to protect mythical (1389) monuments (churches) is now at question. The mythical battle happened in Kosovë Plateau which means that they would get no control over this territory. Also the churches are located mainly in Western part of Kosova which again is no near Trepça. Is it just me or are the serbs only after Trepça? You decide.

that´s even funnier then the "indiependence-talk" about kosmet!

come on george, give the leader of the free world - tsar vladi the great - a phone call about your wishes and dreams!

would be hard to talk to him in sydney about your needs, while he is still in moscow!

once again, there´s no need for partition. it is Serbia, all of it.

if someone in the west fears the Albanians, so be it, but that´s not the case with Serbia.

partition seems to be mentioned only because of the strong NJET by the Russians.

the west is weak, actually, saying A but doing B, that´s becoming clearer and clearer the longer one watches the whole thing...

seems like the west DOES INDEED care for what the Russians say on this issue despite all those naive ( albanian ) comments of "Russia backing down before the one and only global super power"...

there is no need to divide anything, keep that in mind!

Russia is reading this situation perfectly because only through dialoge and compromise there can be long lasting peace.

One look at the map and anybody can see Russia is the most important country in Europe.The US has a consumer market of 300 million where the EU countries can sell their products but Russia has the raw materials to sell to the Europeans in order to be able to manufacture those products.Why would anybody think that what 6 million Albanians want is more important for Europe than what Russia says?Delusional people?

"One look at the map and anybody can see Russia is the most important country in Europe"

One look at the map and anyone can see that RUSSIA is in Asia. Sorry, over 50% is in Asia. In fact the majority of Russians claim Russia is its' own continent.

serbia may have to face the reality of partition and secure the most viable economic parts. Unfortunately Serbia is in no - win situation. Take what you can in negotiations, and as the history of the Balkans has taught us; wait for the future. A greater Albania is a huge threat to security for Serbia, Montenegro, makedonia, Greece, but it is a reality, and as an internationalist, it is the only way forward, in the short term. Serbs must embrace it with guaranteed minority rights and like-wise equal guaranteed rights for minorities in Southern serbia. The only way out of the impasse.

I think Russia can block the solution for some time. History proves Russia backs down easily. In any way, i dont think Russia can go any further than that. I see a lot of comments about how Russia that and that, and even the 'bishop' Pavle praying that Russia does so. I wonder whether Serbs will ever learn a lesson from their history. Yes, it is more than clear that Russia has some limited power, but can you tell me what have Serbs won so far from Russia! Nothing, it just confrirms an alliance of similar paradoxes. It confirms a unification of two most undemocratic nations in Europe.

"To all Kosovars here:
If you want to leave Serbia (so independent Kosovo), why don't you allow North Kosovo to leave Kosovo (so stay in Serbia proper)?
I thought that it was a good thing to let an other person have, what you want to have yourself?
(Ron, 1. September 2007 04:00) "
Obviously Ron is not from around Europe at all and doesn't know that the real Serb appetites are further to Croatia, and down to Macedonia and Albania. They have always fought for territories, not people. If they had the power like they were let loose in the ninties, they would do that. The partition of KosovA is not a good bargain for the Serbs, and they know it.

I have responded with an appropriate answer to both cele and mathew but B92 did not post my comenst. sorry guys blame b92.

2 out of the 3 in the troika have now hinted to both sides that partition is ok. Not to forget that Dutch minister too.

You already have de facto partition.There is never going to be a need for the Serbs to legalize it.

yeah, I see...,
that´s it, my dear Ahmed, you might be glad if it happened that way since you feel the "loss of the moment", but, ...there is still no reason for Serbia to divide anything...

let´s just see what future brings.

In the end Serbia will still be holding the legal deed to all the land of Kosovo regardless of which ethnic groups live there with the UNSC as the title company guaranteeing that ownership right and the Russians with an option to buy the mines and a legally enforcable contract that will stand up in any European court of law.If the separatists go for broke/all or nothing they will end up with nothing.

Let say for the sake of argument KosovA is patitioed and northern Mitrovica with Leposavic and Zubin Potok will end up with serbia proper, what is the prosentige of entire KosovA partition? If serb poticians think they won by managing to keep no more that 5-6 % of KosovA land and they play like they kept more than half of KoosvA, SO BE IT .
(ahmet isufi, 31. August 2007 21:18)

Its 15% which is the North. But we are thinking all the way to Ibar and a bit more.

One look at the map and anyone can see that RUSSIA is in Asia. Sorry, over 50% is in Asia. In fact the majority of Russians claim Russia is its' own continent.
(KS, 31. August 2007 22:10)

Exactlly, so whats more important to EU, the RUSSIAN CONTINENT or KOSOVO?

To all Kosovars here:

If you want to leave Serbia (so independent Kosovo), why don't you allow North Kosovo to leave Kosovo (so stay in Serbia proper)?

I thought that it was a good thing to let an other person have, what you want to have yourself?

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov does not rule out the possibility that Russia may back a partition of Kosovo.


It doesn't say he WILL it says he MAY. A couple small words, but they're quite different. Just like "NO", which is a complete sentence.

If Serbia were to come forward with a reasonable plan for partition “based” on Ahtisaari’s protection for minorities I believe that if the UNSC is forced to impose a solution, that plan will most likely be partition.

The reality is all ethnicities in the region are abused when they are in the minority, we must adopt a solution that minimizes that to the highest degree possible.

Ahmet, what concessions would you demand for some rights for our churches in Pec and Decani? Or is what you said the only solution you might settle for?

"Lavrov does not dismiss partition as option"
Partition of KosovA or Serbia??????

Let say for the sake of argument KosovA is patitioed and northern Mitrovica with Leposavic and Zubin Potok will end up with serbia proper, what is the prosentige of entire KosovA partition? If serb poticians think they won by managing to keep no more that 5-6 % of KosovA land and they play like they kept more than half of KoosvA, SO BE IT .
(ahmet isufi, 31. August 2007 21:18)

Its 15% which is the North. But we are thinking all the way to Ibar and a bit more.

One look at the map and anyone can see that RUSSIA is in Asia. Sorry, over 50% is in Asia. In fact the majority of Russians claim Russia is its' own continent.
(KS, 31. August 2007 22:10)

Exactlly, so whats more important to EU, the RUSSIAN CONTINENT or KOSOVO?

Mr,Ron
why dont independet kosovo let northern mitrovica to go???why should they??why serbia dont exchange other albanian cities inside serbia like preshevo, medvegje,bujanovc,etc?

----------------------------
Exactlly, so whats more important to EU, the RUSSIAN CONTINENT or KOSOVO?
(Cvele, 1. September 2007 01:40)

First of all get your facts straight Kosova under serbia was barely 12% in mass not 15%. Also russia is a rogue nation with over 300 nuclear missiles missing somewhere. Russia continually threatens Europe that they will cut out Gas & Oil.

Kosova is about stability in Europe. Russia is not a continent and it never will be. Stop believing in myths and mis beliefs.

Europe’s mindset divides and rule, this paradigm must change if Europe really wants to Unite. It seems to me that most Albanians think like Faton Klinaku “the secretary of the veterans organization of the Kosovo Liberation Army [KLA], Faton Klinaku, has warned that Kosovo's division must be carried out in line with international principles: the right to self-determination, ethnic principle and the principle of majority. "These principles should be applied not just to Kosovo but to Presevo [southern Serbia], Macedonia and Montenegro," Kliniku told Bulgarian media. According to him, wherever there are Albanians there will be Albania, and this will happen if Kosovo is divided. "In the final analysis, these developments are in our interest since then all Albanians would be unified in one state," Kliniku said. He who wants everything for himself but denies it to others may not get anything in the end.