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Wednesday, 29.08.2007.

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War is still possible, say Radicals

Tomislav Nikolić said Wednesday there was "a danger that a country that has its territory taken from it might go to war".

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Srboslav

pre 16 godina

#8 ahmet isufic,

For once I agree with you totally. This is not the 90:s anymore and there will be no hostilities from the Serbian army against the albanians, nato or anybody else. There is no need for that at all.
This round of cards are played differently than previous games.
The Serbs have learned to play their cards better in the last 15 years. No more bluffing ala Milosevic, its better to check and let the Albanians go all in against Nato when they are not getting their independence.

Not to smart when not having any strong cards on the hand.
Guess who will lose that showdown?

George

pre 16 godina

Well, war is present only in Nikolic brain... As my fellow Romanian said before, war is dirty and not heroic at all. And to be honest, it makes no sense to start a fight without any chance to win!
In 1939, when Germany, Italy and Hungary imposed to Romania the Viena Diktate (supposed to be and arbitrage) asking us the give up North-Western part of Transilvania to Hungary, they were people saying "let's go to fight them!". However, our allies, France and UK, were busy at that moment, indulging Hitler to proceed with his plans (that Chamberlain guy, coming from Munchen with his "I bring you 1.000 years of peace!") and were not able to help (always big countries are busy when you need them more!) At that time Romanians had no idea about the secret agreement between Ribentropp and Molotov regarding Germany and USSR sharing their spheres of influence and territories in S-E Europe. So we did not fight, hoping better times will come. In 1940, USSR forced us to give up the eastern part of Moldavia, (which is now Moldavia Republic, but it was not including at that time that strip of land called Transdniestr) and then we realized that we have no chance fighting Russians alone, without allies. So, we look around and when Germany offered a so-called alliance (they needed the oil fields in centtral Romania) we accepted, hoping that at the end of the war we will be rewarded. Germans lost the war, Russians invaded Romania and, this time also, we realized that our faith was decided over our heads, and Europe is now splitted between Soviets and Western Capitalist allies... We got back N-W Transilvania, but not Eastern Moldavia (also called Basarabia). The lessons from this (apologies for being a long) history?

Live today to fight tomorrow.
Everybody has a responsibility for his country in the long run. History doesn't stop today; they may come better times.
Enemies of today may become friends tomorrow. And the other way around.
War is barbaric and senseless, and one should always seek to avoid it, but if its imposed to you, than you should go to the bottom of it (as we Romanians did at Stalingrad!).
Last but not least, war is only a political tool - as any tool, should not be used before other means were exausted - for example, economical war: after all, this brought the victory for West in confronting the Communist world - it may be longer, but is saves lifes, and human lifes are more important than anything.

I am very sorry for you Serbs and Albanians being caught in this fight, small peoples at the discretion of big countries... Acting as proxy-warriors for Russia and US makes no sense, and it's such a pitty that a compromise to pull you out this nightmare is not foreseable in the near future! God help you all!

Best, from Bucharest via Kosovo,
George
George

shqiptar

pre 16 godina

It is a despaired case. If Serbs would be smart enough they'll recognise in the person of Nikolic, one of the biggest enemies of a normal and democratic Serbia.

Viktor K.

pre 16 godina

Yes, every state has the right to severe (brake)diplomatic and other relations with any nation who recognizes a separatist "part" of it. Remember so called "Northern Turkish Republic of Cyprus"? Nobody has ever recognizied it as an "independent state" , except Turkey, because of this fundamental principle of international law - still not seen and purposefully neglected only by three capitals: Tirana, Washington and its client - London.

Destan Belaxhia

pre 16 godina

Dear Canadian,

You forget that people are entitled to their opinion whether you like it or not. It's quite odd to see a Canadien trying to abolish the freedom of speech at b92 news organization. The Serb posters constantly keep calling Tcheku and Albanian leadership war criminals, terrorists, fundamentalists, and yet that leadership was chosen through free and fair elections.

It's sad too see that you haven't been able to adopt the democratic principles of free speech in Canada.

P

pre 16 godina

The only reason some Albanians here want Serbia to invade is because they know the U.S and NATO will come to fight thee battle for them, and then later have the gall to say they "defeated" the Serbs when they did not even fight they're own battle.

Danny

pre 16 godina

Arsim37:

Yugoslav General Dragoljub "Drazha" Mihailovich was decorated by US President Harry S. Truman with the Legion Of Merrit medal for his outstanding contribution to final Allied victory over Facsism. General Mihailovich and his Chetniks rejected capitulation and flung that lie in Hitlers teeth. General Mihailovich fought for the liberation of ALL Yugoslav peoples.

Nazi quizlings such as the Croatian ustashi, the Bosnian "Handzar Division" & the Albanian "Skender Beg Division" were busy exterminating civilians; Serbian women, children and elderly (estimated at about 1.2 million. Officially about 750,000 Serbs; 65,000 Jews; 35,000 Roma)

As the Nazis shot down US & Allied bombers over Yuglav territory, the abovementioned quizlings were busy trying to collect the downed pilots for their German masters. General Mihailovich and his Chetniks saved and return to Alied control over 500 downed Allied airmen.

I think you're a bit confused about historical events.

JHam

pre 16 godina

Miri, you are asking something you sure don't want. Maybe you dont live in Kosovo and i don't think want a war. I think it is best to talk because NATO is not going to be your defender. Watch and see you will be surprised.

KS

pre 16 godina

If I recall it was the albanians who were allies of the nazis, not Serbs.
(Ratko, 29. August 2007 19:46)

So I can't have an opinion anymore? My opinion is that Radicals are the Nazis of Balkans. Deal with it.

There is irrefutable proof that both parties used similar tactics to get in power and to 'achieve' order.

...But if you believe they aren't ask yourself this, "would a democratic party threaten to kill 1 million people and expell [by force] the other million?"

Delije

pre 16 godina

Draza saved 500 US airmen, & received the highest medal a foreigner can receive from the US. How many did the Albanians (SS Skanderberg) save?

johny

pre 16 godina

"If Serbia gives Kosovo away then Serbia is over/finished!"

If all the Serbs would think that way, than what a sad country Serbia would be. I truly hope that is not the case.

I don't know what percentage of Serbs think like you. One day they call for a holly war against the US and NATO. The next day they come up with scenarios in which NATO is fighting alongside them. Very interesting indeed.

Cvele

pre 16 godina

Luciano, hold on to that deed, but just keep it safe in some super-secret place in case someone wants to "steal" it.
(miri, 29. August 2007 19:00)

We keep it very safe. In New York on the east side of Midtown Manhattan.

Adrian , Timisoara , Romania

pre 16 godina

I dunno what these kiddies are talking about! WAR? That`s not like Counter-Strike!! WAR is ugly! There usually is no real winner , but lots of loosers.It`s not heroic , but dirty and painfull.

Arsim37

pre 16 godina

Good Lord,

Does anyone in this Forum read papers or anythink else???UCK, witch UCK?? There is no UCK since 1999. And sorry, can i ask you here, we fought for the Nazis???Where do you leave Draza Mihailovic and your Cetniks???O Yes, they fought for liberty??? Thats really a joke.

Delije

pre 16 godina

Ahmet, Miri Please stop with the "bring it on" BS. What are you trying to instigate a war like the kla did in the 90's ? Serbia dosn't stand a chance against NATO, but against kla, ana, bla, bla, bla etc... No problem. Serbs fight their own fights unlike the Albanians of the region. Hey, just ask your uncle Sam. War sucks, fight with words not guns. Greese: may God bless you & your people.

Cvele

pre 16 godina

miri
In the near future it will become transparent to the albans in Kosovo that US will not recognise them. After that the alban side will souly blame the international community for promising to deliver something that is not theirs to give in the first place. So I would be upset as well. After that terrorist attacks will begin on NATO. Followed by NATO pulling its forces out of Serbia proper, and instant entrance of Serbian troops into our blessed Southern province.

Thats the scenario I believe but its also possible Serbs and NATO will unite in order to keep NATO there so it doesnt look like they failed and so that Serbs dont have to be doing all the policing other then the NORTH and the enclaves.

That way only albans lose and the international community and Serbia win.

CCCC

Canadien

pre 16 godina

B92,

You have got to be kidding!!! You post my complaint about my feeling that you are unfair to the Serbian camp about your censorship of their comments and yet allow Albanians to compare Serbian politics to the NAZI's and then you don't post my comment about the possibility of war! What is up with you people!? who is ultimately making these decisions to post or not to post certain comments!? I am truly disappionted in your censorship and denial of free speech on this forum. I am all for banning hate comments and insults but that is where it should stop!

Canadien

pre 16 godina

Dear B92,

Why are the Albanians aloud to refer to the Radical Party as NAZI's? This party is a legal and lawfully recognized major political party in the Balkans. I seem to recall B92 stating that insults were not aloud in this forum! I suspect if I referred to Bush as Hitler you would not allow my comments, its the same thing! I do so hate inconsistent policy and double standards please be fair, if you allow an inch to the Albanian posters then do the same for the Serbians.

miri

pre 16 godina

"the socalled uck is no threat, believe me, the serbian armed forces are strong enough to do their job, professionally.
this time, they will assist NATO in disarming those pseudo-guerillas."

Good God Jovan!!!

In which god forsaken place you live!! Serbian forces coming to help NATO to disarm KLA!!!? Do you see any confrontation between NATO and KLA? What dream are you waking up from?

Please, don't throw such statements anymore. It's just insulting for many others that write in this forum.

luciano

pre 16 godina

Walter is right about Emina being a very beautiful name.It sounds very poetic and I think Julio Iglesias should write a love song with that name.Emina and Luciano sounds better than Romeo and Juliette.

Jovan

pre 16 godina

Pera,

the socalled uck is no threat, believe me, the serbian armed forces are strong enough to do their job, professionally.
this time, they will assist NATO in disarming those pseudo-guerillas.

Cvele

pre 16 godina

KS
Radicals? Are you sure. Im thinking the only Nazis in Europe are those that served them and to this day believe and celebrate them.

Adrian , Timisoara , Romania

pre 16 godina

War? Sure!! We have a similar party in our country. They call themselves "Greater Romania". Same propaganda: "war" , "reveange" , "history" , "faith" and so on. But if it comes to our actual problems they are on vacation :)

ahmet isufi

pre 16 godina

Hope B92 publishes this.
(nikshala, 29. August 2007 18:31),
Nick \, i hav ebeen writing same thing lately and guess whar; b92 either is posting my coments at all or in this case only 20% of my coment was posted as you see above that I challenged Nikoliq to start a war, but my coment was much more detailed but b92 is afraid to posted becaseu they have been threatenned by some of the serb camp posters. B92 Edditor should be man and/or woman enogh to stand up to the said thareats and not allow the eniter b92 become a hostage to radicals and threats from cowards.
Again, I jhope they will print my entire coments. It reamins to be seen.

Ratko

pre 16 godina

"This article gave me a good laugh wich I so needed.

It's exactley what the U.S. is waiting for Serbia to act, that is to try invading. Would be a easy match for the US forces and Bush would leave the post as a winner and a problem-solver of the Kosovo conflict.
(A. Wiess, 29. August 2007 17:58) "

Hey wiess.

How about if Mr.Putin stepped in, would that be an easy victory for american imperialists?

Ratko

pre 16 godina

"Radicals can be considered the NAZI party of the Balkans.
(KS, 29. August 2007 18:35) "


What kind of a ridiculous comment is that?

If I recall it was the albanians who were allies of the nazis, not Serbs.

Walter

pre 16 godina

I always liked the name Emina. You write “Serbs could care less about Kosovo; we just want to move on [---] into Europe”. Sometimes the lemming mentality is dangerous it’s almost like following the taillights of a car in front of you in heavy fog and you know where that can lead to. Economic integration under the guise of globalization will not lead to peace in Europe since it will lead to poverty and exploitation. Democracy must be measured by economic as well as political policies that provide equality for the majority not exploitation of the majority by the minority.

miri

pre 16 godina

Luciano "Serbia will always hold the legal deed to Kosovo even if some of its provisions cannot be presently enforced"

Luciano, hold on to that deed, but just keep it safe in some super-secret place in case someone wants to "steal" it.

Vuk

pre 16 godina

I fully agree with the statements made by the SRS and there is absolutly no doubt in my mind that at the next election they will win by a landslide if Kosovo becomes independant.
So if you support independance you support war.

nikshala

pre 16 godina

Considering the Radicals are the most popular party in Serbia, is there any better argument for independence of Kosovo?

How can anybody with a sane mind expect albanians to accept to be part of a country that not only has not acknowledged the crimes commited against them, but it openly saying that it will 'sort out' the 'separatists'?

I remeber when Milosevic was ousted, and there was this fury in the west that Serbia has changed for a democratic course, and some people were even thinking that it was only Milosevic that was responsible for the war crimes - however we albanians always new the truth - Serbia gave up Milsoevic for money, but it did not change, when it comes to others nations in the balkans, Milosevic=Koshutnica=Nikolic.

At the same time I would like to thank Nikolic for promoting albanian cause, just as well as Milosevic did.

It never ceases to amaze me how serbs don't realise that they are their own worst enemy. What their enemys can't do to them, serbs do it to themselves.

It is people like Jovan, Ratko, Obilic, Kate, Cvele... (and anybody else that wants to be in that group) - they think they are being patriotic but in fact they are doing more harm to Serbia - and it is people like them that us albanians have to thank for our independence.

Had Serbia treated albanians with respect in the last century, then Kosovo would still be under the control of Belgrade, although considering the demography of albanians, keeping Kosovo was never a good idea.

Hope B92 publishes this.

Emina

pre 16 godina

Whole of Serbia? Right now most of us Serbs could care less about Kosovo, we just want to move on. But of course outsiders will see this and it will just undermıne our movement into Europe

Two thumbs up Radical party, one question though, When will you start caring about the people of Serbıa?

Bekim Alibashi

pre 16 godina

raso,
I could not have said it better. Thank you.

Luciano,
Thanks for representing the Serb people as you do.

In the eyes of the world, you unwittingly help the Albanian cause immensely.

miri

pre 16 godina

Bring it on Nikolic!
Yes, it's easy to massacre women and children like you did 8 years ago. Come and try to attack Nato and you will end up in Hague like you dear fried Slobo did.

Niall O'Doherty, Ireland

pre 16 godina

Serbia should explore & utilise all legal means possible to maintain its sovereingty and territorial integrity.. Failure to do so would be catastrophic for Belgrade and would seriously call into question the nation's monopoly over violence and the rule of law.

luciano

pre 16 godina

There is no reason for war.Serbia will always hold the legal deed to Kosovo even if some of its provisions cannot be presently enforced.However,all Serbs should migrate to the north of Kosovo because it is obvious that what is coming is de facto partition.De jure independence/partition will never happen and this will cause Islamist fury with the mujahaden from Bosnia stationing themselves in southern Kosovo and along with KLA killers will start guerilla style attacks against everybody.

Pera

pre 16 godina

In theory Nikolic is correct any country would go to war to protect it's soveriegnty. However, the reality for Serbia is that it does not have the military means to protect its territory. If Serbia posed any military threat independence would not be considered.

Serbia should focus on mantaining her territorial integrity. She must never agree to Kosovo's independence or renounce her claim to the territory.

The view that Kosovo's independence would bring stability to the balkans is naive and unrealistic.

A. Wiess

pre 16 godina

This article gave me a good laugh wich I so needed.

It's exactley what the U.S. is waiting for Serbia to act, that is to try invading. Would be a easy match for the US forces and Bush would leave the post as a winner and a problem-solver of the Kosovo conflict.

Zoran

pre 16 godina

A country that won't or can't defend/protect its territorial integrity is not a country at all, its a colony! Too many Serbs just don't get it, Kosovo is the red line. If Serbia gives Kosovo away then Serbia is over/finished! Time to look for another homeland; maybe the Germans/Croatians will take you in?

raso

pre 16 godina

oh come on, the next pm knows: war is also afterwards possible.

former bosnia was acknowledged for nearly three years, and then the same acknowledgers changed their mind in dayton.

the west won´t have terrible nights because of cutted diplomatic ties with serbia (allthough this would derail eu-enlargement and break up bosnia), but it will have a bad sleeping when billions of western euros invested in serbia will be frozen in.

the times have changed, the only remaining superpower is russia, and serbia isn´t anymore bad as hell, but good enough to steal our money under so called un-sanctions. today this game can and will be played in both directions.

playing humanitarians to hide economic interests is hard, when not the serbs pay for it, but the own wallet.

luciano

pre 16 godina

There is no reason for war.Serbia will always hold the legal deed to Kosovo even if some of its provisions cannot be presently enforced.However,all Serbs should migrate to the north of Kosovo because it is obvious that what is coming is de facto partition.De jure independence/partition will never happen and this will cause Islamist fury with the mujahaden from Bosnia stationing themselves in southern Kosovo and along with KLA killers will start guerilla style attacks against everybody.

nikshala

pre 16 godina

Considering the Radicals are the most popular party in Serbia, is there any better argument for independence of Kosovo?

How can anybody with a sane mind expect albanians to accept to be part of a country that not only has not acknowledged the crimes commited against them, but it openly saying that it will 'sort out' the 'separatists'?

I remeber when Milosevic was ousted, and there was this fury in the west that Serbia has changed for a democratic course, and some people were even thinking that it was only Milosevic that was responsible for the war crimes - however we albanians always new the truth - Serbia gave up Milsoevic for money, but it did not change, when it comes to others nations in the balkans, Milosevic=Koshutnica=Nikolic.

At the same time I would like to thank Nikolic for promoting albanian cause, just as well as Milosevic did.

It never ceases to amaze me how serbs don't realise that they are their own worst enemy. What their enemys can't do to them, serbs do it to themselves.

It is people like Jovan, Ratko, Obilic, Kate, Cvele... (and anybody else that wants to be in that group) - they think they are being patriotic but in fact they are doing more harm to Serbia - and it is people like them that us albanians have to thank for our independence.

Had Serbia treated albanians with respect in the last century, then Kosovo would still be under the control of Belgrade, although considering the demography of albanians, keeping Kosovo was never a good idea.

Hope B92 publishes this.

Ratko

pre 16 godina

"Radicals can be considered the NAZI party of the Balkans.
(KS, 29. August 2007 18:35) "


What kind of a ridiculous comment is that?

If I recall it was the albanians who were allies of the nazis, not Serbs.

Zoran

pre 16 godina

A country that won't or can't defend/protect its territorial integrity is not a country at all, its a colony! Too many Serbs just don't get it, Kosovo is the red line. If Serbia gives Kosovo away then Serbia is over/finished! Time to look for another homeland; maybe the Germans/Croatians will take you in?

miri

pre 16 godina

Bring it on Nikolic!
Yes, it's easy to massacre women and children like you did 8 years ago. Come and try to attack Nato and you will end up in Hague like you dear fried Slobo did.

Emina

pre 16 godina

Whole of Serbia? Right now most of us Serbs could care less about Kosovo, we just want to move on. But of course outsiders will see this and it will just undermıne our movement into Europe

Two thumbs up Radical party, one question though, When will you start caring about the people of Serbıa?

Niall O'Doherty, Ireland

pre 16 godina

Serbia should explore & utilise all legal means possible to maintain its sovereingty and territorial integrity.. Failure to do so would be catastrophic for Belgrade and would seriously call into question the nation's monopoly over violence and the rule of law.

Walter

pre 16 godina

I always liked the name Emina. You write “Serbs could care less about Kosovo; we just want to move on [---] into Europe”. Sometimes the lemming mentality is dangerous it’s almost like following the taillights of a car in front of you in heavy fog and you know where that can lead to. Economic integration under the guise of globalization will not lead to peace in Europe since it will lead to poverty and exploitation. Democracy must be measured by economic as well as political policies that provide equality for the majority not exploitation of the majority by the minority.

Ratko

pre 16 godina

"This article gave me a good laugh wich I so needed.

It's exactley what the U.S. is waiting for Serbia to act, that is to try invading. Would be a easy match for the US forces and Bush would leave the post as a winner and a problem-solver of the Kosovo conflict.
(A. Wiess, 29. August 2007 17:58) "

Hey wiess.

How about if Mr.Putin stepped in, would that be an easy victory for american imperialists?

Pera

pre 16 godina

In theory Nikolic is correct any country would go to war to protect it's soveriegnty. However, the reality for Serbia is that it does not have the military means to protect its territory. If Serbia posed any military threat independence would not be considered.

Serbia should focus on mantaining her territorial integrity. She must never agree to Kosovo's independence or renounce her claim to the territory.

The view that Kosovo's independence would bring stability to the balkans is naive and unrealistic.

Vuk

pre 16 godina

I fully agree with the statements made by the SRS and there is absolutly no doubt in my mind that at the next election they will win by a landslide if Kosovo becomes independant.
So if you support independance you support war.

Canadien

pre 16 godina

Dear B92,

Why are the Albanians aloud to refer to the Radical Party as NAZI's? This party is a legal and lawfully recognized major political party in the Balkans. I seem to recall B92 stating that insults were not aloud in this forum! I suspect if I referred to Bush as Hitler you would not allow my comments, its the same thing! I do so hate inconsistent policy and double standards please be fair, if you allow an inch to the Albanian posters then do the same for the Serbians.

Delije

pre 16 godina

Ahmet, Miri Please stop with the "bring it on" BS. What are you trying to instigate a war like the kla did in the 90's ? Serbia dosn't stand a chance against NATO, but against kla, ana, bla, bla, bla etc... No problem. Serbs fight their own fights unlike the Albanians of the region. Hey, just ask your uncle Sam. War sucks, fight with words not guns. Greese: may God bless you & your people.

Cvele

pre 16 godina

KS
Radicals? Are you sure. Im thinking the only Nazis in Europe are those that served them and to this day believe and celebrate them.

Jovan

pre 16 godina

Pera,

the socalled uck is no threat, believe me, the serbian armed forces are strong enough to do their job, professionally.
this time, they will assist NATO in disarming those pseudo-guerillas.

Canadien

pre 16 godina

B92,

You have got to be kidding!!! You post my complaint about my feeling that you are unfair to the Serbian camp about your censorship of their comments and yet allow Albanians to compare Serbian politics to the NAZI's and then you don't post my comment about the possibility of war! What is up with you people!? who is ultimately making these decisions to post or not to post certain comments!? I am truly disappionted in your censorship and denial of free speech on this forum. I am all for banning hate comments and insults but that is where it should stop!

raso

pre 16 godina

oh come on, the next pm knows: war is also afterwards possible.

former bosnia was acknowledged for nearly three years, and then the same acknowledgers changed their mind in dayton.

the west won´t have terrible nights because of cutted diplomatic ties with serbia (allthough this would derail eu-enlargement and break up bosnia), but it will have a bad sleeping when billions of western euros invested in serbia will be frozen in.

the times have changed, the only remaining superpower is russia, and serbia isn´t anymore bad as hell, but good enough to steal our money under so called un-sanctions. today this game can and will be played in both directions.

playing humanitarians to hide economic interests is hard, when not the serbs pay for it, but the own wallet.

luciano

pre 16 godina

Walter is right about Emina being a very beautiful name.It sounds very poetic and I think Julio Iglesias should write a love song with that name.Emina and Luciano sounds better than Romeo and Juliette.

Cvele

pre 16 godina

miri
In the near future it will become transparent to the albans in Kosovo that US will not recognise them. After that the alban side will souly blame the international community for promising to deliver something that is not theirs to give in the first place. So I would be upset as well. After that terrorist attacks will begin on NATO. Followed by NATO pulling its forces out of Serbia proper, and instant entrance of Serbian troops into our blessed Southern province.

Thats the scenario I believe but its also possible Serbs and NATO will unite in order to keep NATO there so it doesnt look like they failed and so that Serbs dont have to be doing all the policing other then the NORTH and the enclaves.

That way only albans lose and the international community and Serbia win.

CCCC

A. Wiess

pre 16 godina

This article gave me a good laugh wich I so needed.

It's exactley what the U.S. is waiting for Serbia to act, that is to try invading. Would be a easy match for the US forces and Bush would leave the post as a winner and a problem-solver of the Kosovo conflict.

ahmet isufi

pre 16 godina

Hope B92 publishes this.
(nikshala, 29. August 2007 18:31),
Nick \, i hav ebeen writing same thing lately and guess whar; b92 either is posting my coments at all or in this case only 20% of my coment was posted as you see above that I challenged Nikoliq to start a war, but my coment was much more detailed but b92 is afraid to posted becaseu they have been threatenned by some of the serb camp posters. B92 Edditor should be man and/or woman enogh to stand up to the said thareats and not allow the eniter b92 become a hostage to radicals and threats from cowards.
Again, I jhope they will print my entire coments. It reamins to be seen.

Arsim37

pre 16 godina

Good Lord,

Does anyone in this Forum read papers or anythink else???UCK, witch UCK?? There is no UCK since 1999. And sorry, can i ask you here, we fought for the Nazis???Where do you leave Draza Mihailovic and your Cetniks???O Yes, they fought for liberty??? Thats really a joke.

Viktor K.

pre 16 godina

Yes, every state has the right to severe (brake)diplomatic and other relations with any nation who recognizes a separatist "part" of it. Remember so called "Northern Turkish Republic of Cyprus"? Nobody has ever recognizied it as an "independent state" , except Turkey, because of this fundamental principle of international law - still not seen and purposefully neglected only by three capitals: Tirana, Washington and its client - London.

miri

pre 16 godina

"the socalled uck is no threat, believe me, the serbian armed forces are strong enough to do their job, professionally.
this time, they will assist NATO in disarming those pseudo-guerillas."

Good God Jovan!!!

In which god forsaken place you live!! Serbian forces coming to help NATO to disarm KLA!!!? Do you see any confrontation between NATO and KLA? What dream are you waking up from?

Please, don't throw such statements anymore. It's just insulting for many others that write in this forum.

Delije

pre 16 godina

Draza saved 500 US airmen, & received the highest medal a foreigner can receive from the US. How many did the Albanians (SS Skanderberg) save?

Bekim Alibashi

pre 16 godina

raso,
I could not have said it better. Thank you.

Luciano,
Thanks for representing the Serb people as you do.

In the eyes of the world, you unwittingly help the Albanian cause immensely.

Adrian , Timisoara , Romania

pre 16 godina

War? Sure!! We have a similar party in our country. They call themselves "Greater Romania". Same propaganda: "war" , "reveange" , "history" , "faith" and so on. But if it comes to our actual problems they are on vacation :)

Danny

pre 16 godina

Arsim37:

Yugoslav General Dragoljub "Drazha" Mihailovich was decorated by US President Harry S. Truman with the Legion Of Merrit medal for his outstanding contribution to final Allied victory over Facsism. General Mihailovich and his Chetniks rejected capitulation and flung that lie in Hitlers teeth. General Mihailovich fought for the liberation of ALL Yugoslav peoples.

Nazi quizlings such as the Croatian ustashi, the Bosnian "Handzar Division" & the Albanian "Skender Beg Division" were busy exterminating civilians; Serbian women, children and elderly (estimated at about 1.2 million. Officially about 750,000 Serbs; 65,000 Jews; 35,000 Roma)

As the Nazis shot down US & Allied bombers over Yuglav territory, the abovementioned quizlings were busy trying to collect the downed pilots for their German masters. General Mihailovich and his Chetniks saved and return to Alied control over 500 downed Allied airmen.

I think you're a bit confused about historical events.

P

pre 16 godina

The only reason some Albanians here want Serbia to invade is because they know the U.S and NATO will come to fight thee battle for them, and then later have the gall to say they "defeated" the Serbs when they did not even fight they're own battle.

miri

pre 16 godina

Luciano "Serbia will always hold the legal deed to Kosovo even if some of its provisions cannot be presently enforced"

Luciano, hold on to that deed, but just keep it safe in some super-secret place in case someone wants to "steal" it.

Cvele

pre 16 godina

Luciano, hold on to that deed, but just keep it safe in some super-secret place in case someone wants to "steal" it.
(miri, 29. August 2007 19:00)

We keep it very safe. In New York on the east side of Midtown Manhattan.

JHam

pre 16 godina

Miri, you are asking something you sure don't want. Maybe you dont live in Kosovo and i don't think want a war. I think it is best to talk because NATO is not going to be your defender. Watch and see you will be surprised.

Adrian , Timisoara , Romania

pre 16 godina

I dunno what these kiddies are talking about! WAR? That`s not like Counter-Strike!! WAR is ugly! There usually is no real winner , but lots of loosers.It`s not heroic , but dirty and painfull.

johny

pre 16 godina

"If Serbia gives Kosovo away then Serbia is over/finished!"

If all the Serbs would think that way, than what a sad country Serbia would be. I truly hope that is not the case.

I don't know what percentage of Serbs think like you. One day they call for a holly war against the US and NATO. The next day they come up with scenarios in which NATO is fighting alongside them. Very interesting indeed.

KS

pre 16 godina

If I recall it was the albanians who were allies of the nazis, not Serbs.
(Ratko, 29. August 2007 19:46)

So I can't have an opinion anymore? My opinion is that Radicals are the Nazis of Balkans. Deal with it.

There is irrefutable proof that both parties used similar tactics to get in power and to 'achieve' order.

...But if you believe they aren't ask yourself this, "would a democratic party threaten to kill 1 million people and expell [by force] the other million?"

Destan Belaxhia

pre 16 godina

Dear Canadian,

You forget that people are entitled to their opinion whether you like it or not. It's quite odd to see a Canadien trying to abolish the freedom of speech at b92 news organization. The Serb posters constantly keep calling Tcheku and Albanian leadership war criminals, terrorists, fundamentalists, and yet that leadership was chosen through free and fair elections.

It's sad too see that you haven't been able to adopt the democratic principles of free speech in Canada.

George

pre 16 godina

Well, war is present only in Nikolic brain... As my fellow Romanian said before, war is dirty and not heroic at all. And to be honest, it makes no sense to start a fight without any chance to win!
In 1939, when Germany, Italy and Hungary imposed to Romania the Viena Diktate (supposed to be and arbitrage) asking us the give up North-Western part of Transilvania to Hungary, they were people saying "let's go to fight them!". However, our allies, France and UK, were busy at that moment, indulging Hitler to proceed with his plans (that Chamberlain guy, coming from Munchen with his "I bring you 1.000 years of peace!") and were not able to help (always big countries are busy when you need them more!) At that time Romanians had no idea about the secret agreement between Ribentropp and Molotov regarding Germany and USSR sharing their spheres of influence and territories in S-E Europe. So we did not fight, hoping better times will come. In 1940, USSR forced us to give up the eastern part of Moldavia, (which is now Moldavia Republic, but it was not including at that time that strip of land called Transdniestr) and then we realized that we have no chance fighting Russians alone, without allies. So, we look around and when Germany offered a so-called alliance (they needed the oil fields in centtral Romania) we accepted, hoping that at the end of the war we will be rewarded. Germans lost the war, Russians invaded Romania and, this time also, we realized that our faith was decided over our heads, and Europe is now splitted between Soviets and Western Capitalist allies... We got back N-W Transilvania, but not Eastern Moldavia (also called Basarabia). The lessons from this (apologies for being a long) history?

Live today to fight tomorrow.
Everybody has a responsibility for his country in the long run. History doesn't stop today; they may come better times.
Enemies of today may become friends tomorrow. And the other way around.
War is barbaric and senseless, and one should always seek to avoid it, but if its imposed to you, than you should go to the bottom of it (as we Romanians did at Stalingrad!).
Last but not least, war is only a political tool - as any tool, should not be used before other means were exausted - for example, economical war: after all, this brought the victory for West in confronting the Communist world - it may be longer, but is saves lifes, and human lifes are more important than anything.

I am very sorry for you Serbs and Albanians being caught in this fight, small peoples at the discretion of big countries... Acting as proxy-warriors for Russia and US makes no sense, and it's such a pitty that a compromise to pull you out this nightmare is not foreseable in the near future! God help you all!

Best, from Bucharest via Kosovo,
George
George

Srboslav

pre 16 godina

#8 ahmet isufic,

For once I agree with you totally. This is not the 90:s anymore and there will be no hostilities from the Serbian army against the albanians, nato or anybody else. There is no need for that at all.
This round of cards are played differently than previous games.
The Serbs have learned to play their cards better in the last 15 years. No more bluffing ala Milosevic, its better to check and let the Albanians go all in against Nato when they are not getting their independence.

Not to smart when not having any strong cards on the hand.
Guess who will lose that showdown?

shqiptar

pre 16 godina

It is a despaired case. If Serbs would be smart enough they'll recognise in the person of Nikolic, one of the biggest enemies of a normal and democratic Serbia.

miri

pre 16 godina

Bring it on Nikolic!
Yes, it's easy to massacre women and children like you did 8 years ago. Come and try to attack Nato and you will end up in Hague like you dear fried Slobo did.

luciano

pre 16 godina

There is no reason for war.Serbia will always hold the legal deed to Kosovo even if some of its provisions cannot be presently enforced.However,all Serbs should migrate to the north of Kosovo because it is obvious that what is coming is de facto partition.De jure independence/partition will never happen and this will cause Islamist fury with the mujahaden from Bosnia stationing themselves in southern Kosovo and along with KLA killers will start guerilla style attacks against everybody.

nikshala

pre 16 godina

Considering the Radicals are the most popular party in Serbia, is there any better argument for independence of Kosovo?

How can anybody with a sane mind expect albanians to accept to be part of a country that not only has not acknowledged the crimes commited against them, but it openly saying that it will 'sort out' the 'separatists'?

I remeber when Milosevic was ousted, and there was this fury in the west that Serbia has changed for a democratic course, and some people were even thinking that it was only Milosevic that was responsible for the war crimes - however we albanians always new the truth - Serbia gave up Milsoevic for money, but it did not change, when it comes to others nations in the balkans, Milosevic=Koshutnica=Nikolic.

At the same time I would like to thank Nikolic for promoting albanian cause, just as well as Milosevic did.

It never ceases to amaze me how serbs don't realise that they are their own worst enemy. What their enemys can't do to them, serbs do it to themselves.

It is people like Jovan, Ratko, Obilic, Kate, Cvele... (and anybody else that wants to be in that group) - they think they are being patriotic but in fact they are doing more harm to Serbia - and it is people like them that us albanians have to thank for our independence.

Had Serbia treated albanians with respect in the last century, then Kosovo would still be under the control of Belgrade, although considering the demography of albanians, keeping Kosovo was never a good idea.

Hope B92 publishes this.

ahmet isufi

pre 16 godina

Hope B92 publishes this.
(nikshala, 29. August 2007 18:31),
Nick \, i hav ebeen writing same thing lately and guess whar; b92 either is posting my coments at all or in this case only 20% of my coment was posted as you see above that I challenged Nikoliq to start a war, but my coment was much more detailed but b92 is afraid to posted becaseu they have been threatenned by some of the serb camp posters. B92 Edditor should be man and/or woman enogh to stand up to the said thareats and not allow the eniter b92 become a hostage to radicals and threats from cowards.
Again, I jhope they will print my entire coments. It reamins to be seen.

A. Wiess

pre 16 godina

This article gave me a good laugh wich I so needed.

It's exactley what the U.S. is waiting for Serbia to act, that is to try invading. Would be a easy match for the US forces and Bush would leave the post as a winner and a problem-solver of the Kosovo conflict.

Bekim Alibashi

pre 16 godina

raso,
I could not have said it better. Thank you.

Luciano,
Thanks for representing the Serb people as you do.

In the eyes of the world, you unwittingly help the Albanian cause immensely.

miri

pre 16 godina

Luciano "Serbia will always hold the legal deed to Kosovo even if some of its provisions cannot be presently enforced"

Luciano, hold on to that deed, but just keep it safe in some super-secret place in case someone wants to "steal" it.

Ratko

pre 16 godina

"Radicals can be considered the NAZI party of the Balkans.
(KS, 29. August 2007 18:35) "


What kind of a ridiculous comment is that?

If I recall it was the albanians who were allies of the nazis, not Serbs.

KS

pre 16 godina

If I recall it was the albanians who were allies of the nazis, not Serbs.
(Ratko, 29. August 2007 19:46)

So I can't have an opinion anymore? My opinion is that Radicals are the Nazis of Balkans. Deal with it.

There is irrefutable proof that both parties used similar tactics to get in power and to 'achieve' order.

...But if you believe they aren't ask yourself this, "would a democratic party threaten to kill 1 million people and expell [by force] the other million?"

miri

pre 16 godina

"the socalled uck is no threat, believe me, the serbian armed forces are strong enough to do their job, professionally.
this time, they will assist NATO in disarming those pseudo-guerillas."

Good God Jovan!!!

In which god forsaken place you live!! Serbian forces coming to help NATO to disarm KLA!!!? Do you see any confrontation between NATO and KLA? What dream are you waking up from?

Please, don't throw such statements anymore. It's just insulting for many others that write in this forum.

Arsim37

pre 16 godina

Good Lord,

Does anyone in this Forum read papers or anythink else???UCK, witch UCK?? There is no UCK since 1999. And sorry, can i ask you here, we fought for the Nazis???Where do you leave Draza Mihailovic and your Cetniks???O Yes, they fought for liberty??? Thats really a joke.

Niall O'Doherty, Ireland

pre 16 godina

Serbia should explore & utilise all legal means possible to maintain its sovereingty and territorial integrity.. Failure to do so would be catastrophic for Belgrade and would seriously call into question the nation's monopoly over violence and the rule of law.

Zoran

pre 16 godina

A country that won't or can't defend/protect its territorial integrity is not a country at all, its a colony! Too many Serbs just don't get it, Kosovo is the red line. If Serbia gives Kosovo away then Serbia is over/finished! Time to look for another homeland; maybe the Germans/Croatians will take you in?

Pera

pre 16 godina

In theory Nikolic is correct any country would go to war to protect it's soveriegnty. However, the reality for Serbia is that it does not have the military means to protect its territory. If Serbia posed any military threat independence would not be considered.

Serbia should focus on mantaining her territorial integrity. She must never agree to Kosovo's independence or renounce her claim to the territory.

The view that Kosovo's independence would bring stability to the balkans is naive and unrealistic.

Emina

pre 16 godina

Whole of Serbia? Right now most of us Serbs could care less about Kosovo, we just want to move on. But of course outsiders will see this and it will just undermıne our movement into Europe

Two thumbs up Radical party, one question though, When will you start caring about the people of Serbıa?

Vuk

pre 16 godina

I fully agree with the statements made by the SRS and there is absolutly no doubt in my mind that at the next election they will win by a landslide if Kosovo becomes independant.
So if you support independance you support war.

Cvele

pre 16 godina

KS
Radicals? Are you sure. Im thinking the only Nazis in Europe are those that served them and to this day believe and celebrate them.

Canadien

pre 16 godina

Dear B92,

Why are the Albanians aloud to refer to the Radical Party as NAZI's? This party is a legal and lawfully recognized major political party in the Balkans. I seem to recall B92 stating that insults were not aloud in this forum! I suspect if I referred to Bush as Hitler you would not allow my comments, its the same thing! I do so hate inconsistent policy and double standards please be fair, if you allow an inch to the Albanian posters then do the same for the Serbians.

luciano

pre 16 godina

Walter is right about Emina being a very beautiful name.It sounds very poetic and I think Julio Iglesias should write a love song with that name.Emina and Luciano sounds better than Romeo and Juliette.

johny

pre 16 godina

"If Serbia gives Kosovo away then Serbia is over/finished!"

If all the Serbs would think that way, than what a sad country Serbia would be. I truly hope that is not the case.

I don't know what percentage of Serbs think like you. One day they call for a holly war against the US and NATO. The next day they come up with scenarios in which NATO is fighting alongside them. Very interesting indeed.

Destan Belaxhia

pre 16 godina

Dear Canadian,

You forget that people are entitled to their opinion whether you like it or not. It's quite odd to see a Canadien trying to abolish the freedom of speech at b92 news organization. The Serb posters constantly keep calling Tcheku and Albanian leadership war criminals, terrorists, fundamentalists, and yet that leadership was chosen through free and fair elections.

It's sad too see that you haven't been able to adopt the democratic principles of free speech in Canada.

raso

pre 16 godina

oh come on, the next pm knows: war is also afterwards possible.

former bosnia was acknowledged for nearly three years, and then the same acknowledgers changed their mind in dayton.

the west won´t have terrible nights because of cutted diplomatic ties with serbia (allthough this would derail eu-enlargement and break up bosnia), but it will have a bad sleeping when billions of western euros invested in serbia will be frozen in.

the times have changed, the only remaining superpower is russia, and serbia isn´t anymore bad as hell, but good enough to steal our money under so called un-sanctions. today this game can and will be played in both directions.

playing humanitarians to hide economic interests is hard, when not the serbs pay for it, but the own wallet.

Ratko

pre 16 godina

"This article gave me a good laugh wich I so needed.

It's exactley what the U.S. is waiting for Serbia to act, that is to try invading. Would be a easy match for the US forces and Bush would leave the post as a winner and a problem-solver of the Kosovo conflict.
(A. Wiess, 29. August 2007 17:58) "

Hey wiess.

How about if Mr.Putin stepped in, would that be an easy victory for american imperialists?

Jovan

pre 16 godina

Pera,

the socalled uck is no threat, believe me, the serbian armed forces are strong enough to do their job, professionally.
this time, they will assist NATO in disarming those pseudo-guerillas.

Cvele

pre 16 godina

miri
In the near future it will become transparent to the albans in Kosovo that US will not recognise them. After that the alban side will souly blame the international community for promising to deliver something that is not theirs to give in the first place. So I would be upset as well. After that terrorist attacks will begin on NATO. Followed by NATO pulling its forces out of Serbia proper, and instant entrance of Serbian troops into our blessed Southern province.

Thats the scenario I believe but its also possible Serbs and NATO will unite in order to keep NATO there so it doesnt look like they failed and so that Serbs dont have to be doing all the policing other then the NORTH and the enclaves.

That way only albans lose and the international community and Serbia win.

CCCC

Canadien

pre 16 godina

B92,

You have got to be kidding!!! You post my complaint about my feeling that you are unfair to the Serbian camp about your censorship of their comments and yet allow Albanians to compare Serbian politics to the NAZI's and then you don't post my comment about the possibility of war! What is up with you people!? who is ultimately making these decisions to post or not to post certain comments!? I am truly disappionted in your censorship and denial of free speech on this forum. I am all for banning hate comments and insults but that is where it should stop!

Delije

pre 16 godina

Draza saved 500 US airmen, & received the highest medal a foreigner can receive from the US. How many did the Albanians (SS Skanderberg) save?

shqiptar

pre 16 godina

It is a despaired case. If Serbs would be smart enough they'll recognise in the person of Nikolic, one of the biggest enemies of a normal and democratic Serbia.

Walter

pre 16 godina

I always liked the name Emina. You write “Serbs could care less about Kosovo; we just want to move on [---] into Europe”. Sometimes the lemming mentality is dangerous it’s almost like following the taillights of a car in front of you in heavy fog and you know where that can lead to. Economic integration under the guise of globalization will not lead to peace in Europe since it will lead to poverty and exploitation. Democracy must be measured by economic as well as political policies that provide equality for the majority not exploitation of the majority by the minority.

Adrian , Timisoara , Romania

pre 16 godina

War? Sure!! We have a similar party in our country. They call themselves "Greater Romania". Same propaganda: "war" , "reveange" , "history" , "faith" and so on. But if it comes to our actual problems they are on vacation :)

Delije

pre 16 godina

Ahmet, Miri Please stop with the "bring it on" BS. What are you trying to instigate a war like the kla did in the 90's ? Serbia dosn't stand a chance against NATO, but against kla, ana, bla, bla, bla etc... No problem. Serbs fight their own fights unlike the Albanians of the region. Hey, just ask your uncle Sam. War sucks, fight with words not guns. Greese: may God bless you & your people.

Adrian , Timisoara , Romania

pre 16 godina

I dunno what these kiddies are talking about! WAR? That`s not like Counter-Strike!! WAR is ugly! There usually is no real winner , but lots of loosers.It`s not heroic , but dirty and painfull.

Cvele

pre 16 godina

Luciano, hold on to that deed, but just keep it safe in some super-secret place in case someone wants to "steal" it.
(miri, 29. August 2007 19:00)

We keep it very safe. In New York on the east side of Midtown Manhattan.

JHam

pre 16 godina

Miri, you are asking something you sure don't want. Maybe you dont live in Kosovo and i don't think want a war. I think it is best to talk because NATO is not going to be your defender. Watch and see you will be surprised.

Danny

pre 16 godina

Arsim37:

Yugoslav General Dragoljub "Drazha" Mihailovich was decorated by US President Harry S. Truman with the Legion Of Merrit medal for his outstanding contribution to final Allied victory over Facsism. General Mihailovich and his Chetniks rejected capitulation and flung that lie in Hitlers teeth. General Mihailovich fought for the liberation of ALL Yugoslav peoples.

Nazi quizlings such as the Croatian ustashi, the Bosnian "Handzar Division" & the Albanian "Skender Beg Division" were busy exterminating civilians; Serbian women, children and elderly (estimated at about 1.2 million. Officially about 750,000 Serbs; 65,000 Jews; 35,000 Roma)

As the Nazis shot down US & Allied bombers over Yuglav territory, the abovementioned quizlings were busy trying to collect the downed pilots for their German masters. General Mihailovich and his Chetniks saved and return to Alied control over 500 downed Allied airmen.

I think you're a bit confused about historical events.

P

pre 16 godina

The only reason some Albanians here want Serbia to invade is because they know the U.S and NATO will come to fight thee battle for them, and then later have the gall to say they "defeated" the Serbs when they did not even fight they're own battle.

Viktor K.

pre 16 godina

Yes, every state has the right to severe (brake)diplomatic and other relations with any nation who recognizes a separatist "part" of it. Remember so called "Northern Turkish Republic of Cyprus"? Nobody has ever recognizied it as an "independent state" , except Turkey, because of this fundamental principle of international law - still not seen and purposefully neglected only by three capitals: Tirana, Washington and its client - London.

George

pre 16 godina

Well, war is present only in Nikolic brain... As my fellow Romanian said before, war is dirty and not heroic at all. And to be honest, it makes no sense to start a fight without any chance to win!
In 1939, when Germany, Italy and Hungary imposed to Romania the Viena Diktate (supposed to be and arbitrage) asking us the give up North-Western part of Transilvania to Hungary, they were people saying "let's go to fight them!". However, our allies, France and UK, were busy at that moment, indulging Hitler to proceed with his plans (that Chamberlain guy, coming from Munchen with his "I bring you 1.000 years of peace!") and were not able to help (always big countries are busy when you need them more!) At that time Romanians had no idea about the secret agreement between Ribentropp and Molotov regarding Germany and USSR sharing their spheres of influence and territories in S-E Europe. So we did not fight, hoping better times will come. In 1940, USSR forced us to give up the eastern part of Moldavia, (which is now Moldavia Republic, but it was not including at that time that strip of land called Transdniestr) and then we realized that we have no chance fighting Russians alone, without allies. So, we look around and when Germany offered a so-called alliance (they needed the oil fields in centtral Romania) we accepted, hoping that at the end of the war we will be rewarded. Germans lost the war, Russians invaded Romania and, this time also, we realized that our faith was decided over our heads, and Europe is now splitted between Soviets and Western Capitalist allies... We got back N-W Transilvania, but not Eastern Moldavia (also called Basarabia). The lessons from this (apologies for being a long) history?

Live today to fight tomorrow.
Everybody has a responsibility for his country in the long run. History doesn't stop today; they may come better times.
Enemies of today may become friends tomorrow. And the other way around.
War is barbaric and senseless, and one should always seek to avoid it, but if its imposed to you, than you should go to the bottom of it (as we Romanians did at Stalingrad!).
Last but not least, war is only a political tool - as any tool, should not be used before other means were exausted - for example, economical war: after all, this brought the victory for West in confronting the Communist world - it may be longer, but is saves lifes, and human lifes are more important than anything.

I am very sorry for you Serbs and Albanians being caught in this fight, small peoples at the discretion of big countries... Acting as proxy-warriors for Russia and US makes no sense, and it's such a pitty that a compromise to pull you out this nightmare is not foreseable in the near future! God help you all!

Best, from Bucharest via Kosovo,
George
George

Srboslav

pre 16 godina

#8 ahmet isufic,

For once I agree with you totally. This is not the 90:s anymore and there will be no hostilities from the Serbian army against the albanians, nato or anybody else. There is no need for that at all.
This round of cards are played differently than previous games.
The Serbs have learned to play their cards better in the last 15 years. No more bluffing ala Milosevic, its better to check and let the Albanians go all in against Nato when they are not getting their independence.

Not to smart when not having any strong cards on the hand.
Guess who will lose that showdown?