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Slovenia concerned over Kosovo

Dimitrij Rupel said that Slovenia was concerned over the postponement of Martti Ahtisaari’s Kosovo plan.

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louie

pre 16 godina

Dear Niall,thank you for your reply.
Now that I know that you are an Irish doesn't change my mind about not agreeing with you when it comes to Kosovo.
Living abroad you get sentimental for your country,I don't mind comments from anyone in the world.I don't hate Serbs,but I don't agree with their comments.
Now I have found on Irishman that is against the independence of Kosovo in this site,so I will respect your comments but won't agree with them.No hard feelings!
KiM is in Serbian "Kosovo i Metohija",so if you want to use the official name for Kosovo in English,it is only Kosovo,the Metohija started to appear only then when Serbia lost Kosovo.
We get upset sometimes when Serbian commentators are using this kind of words only for us to get provoked.Like CCCC,Kocobo je Spbija,etc.
So hopefully you understand where I am coming from!
Cheers!

Obilic

pre 16 godina

Albion, youre saying my namesake is albanian?? LOL.....this is good example of "piggy backing" off our history just to claim it as your own, like claims that those old Serbian churches in Kosovo are really albanian.

Niall O'Doherty, Ireland

pre 16 godina

"To Mr.Niall O'Doherty,why are you using the Irish name when you are deep down a Serb.I don't have nothing against the Serbs so in the future you can use your real name and not the Irish one.There is no chance that an Irishman calls Kosova/o,Kosovo-Metohija and he calls K-Albanians,separatists,this words only exists in Serbian Language!!! "

Dear Louie,

Let me just clear up a few points for you. I am indeed Irish as I was born in Ireland and on my birth certificate that is indeed my name. My name as Gaeilge is Niall O Dochartaigh but I use the Anglicised version for general benefit. Louie, I do not have an drop of Serb blood in my veins and I do not subscribe to the Greater Serbia type of ethno-nationalism that I find like the other comepeting Balkan nationalism, Croatia & K-Albanians to be equally repulsive.

To be frank with you sir, I do understand the position of the K-Albanians and I have a number of K-Albanians who I consider as good and loyal friends as I have ever met. The K-Albanian position reminds of that of the NI Catholics who suffered inhumane injustice at the hands of the British authorities in state sponsored discrimination (jobs, education etc.), executions, mass aressts and internment without trial. We suffered too and I have many friends who lost close family relatives in the violence in NI. They were bitter about their experiences but they found it in themselves to faith and trust in their politicians and in the peace negotiations. We went to the table with an open mind of compromise and look at what we got, the Good Friday Agreement in which Catholics are now power sharing with their previous bitter enemies, Protestants without altering the balance of the sovereignty of the NI's position within the UK. Yes the K-Albanians did get a raw deal under Milosevic but you have to accept that the Serbia of today is not the animal it was in 1999. If you really want peace you've got to go the table with an open mind and prepare to make compromise. Your intransigent position of no independence - no deal simply will not work. Can you imagine if NI catholics had tried that tactic?

If both sides really want peace in Kosovo I would liek to urge them particularly Mr Ceku to study the Irish example and use that context to find a compromise. I'm just sick of all the infantile talk of 'we'll never live with Belgrade again' and Nikshala talking about divorcs in Iran. We said the same thing going into the peace talks, both sides compromised and now we have a working deal, peace and a bright future for all our children.

Thirdly the reason I call Kosovo, KiM is because its the official name for the Serbian province as its legally a constituent part of the Republic of Serbia. I believe in the sovereign right of Serbia to uphold its territorial integrity as a nation state as enshrined by international law. I do not believe that partition of independence would be the right outcome but the only way for peace is for both sides free of any deadlines of constraints is to sit down and hammer out their grieveances. If we can do it so can you.

P.S. I'm well aware of the great work GOAL is carrying out in Kosovo. In high school I helped organise a truck to be shipped out to Bosnia full of humanitarian aid to the inhabitants of Sarajevo.

village-bey

pre 16 godina

William Dorich
Publishing a book is a very noble cause but that won’t stop us from recognizing that your accounts are very one-sided.

Albion, New York

pre 16 godina

Mr. Dorich, by the tone of your writing, it shows that you are full of anger and hate towards anything that is not Serbian. I checked you wrote some books, congratulations, but no congratulations since you used as a reference some radical Serbian websites, which are designed to paint illusive picture of the real historical facts.
For your information the Kosovo battle was a battle of coalition forces comprised of Serbs, Albanians, Hungarians, Vlachs and others against the Ottomans, as a matter of fact Milos Kopiliqi who killed the sultan was Albanian.
You wrote: Serbs who were the majority of Kosovo for a thousands years until their liquidation by his Slovenian and Croat Nazis retuced them to 45% of the population after the Holocaust (1945). Serbs are now 7% today. They went from a majority to a minority in my lifetime.
If this were true, it would have been qualified, as genocide. Please show us any non - Serbian literature stating the same.
To write such a statement as this, it is very irresponsible especially by a publisher like you.
You know full well, that would not be possible, because right after the WWII 250000 Albanians, were deported to Turkey by Serbia.
You were never a majority in Kosova, and you will ever be, despite the Cubrilovic’s, the academy of sciences of Belgrade and S. Milosevic’s projects.
By the way, my suggestion to you is to relief yourself from such an anger and enjoy the rest of your life in peace.
Peace and prosperity for all.
Thank you B92

lowe

pre 16 godina

"Dimitrij Rupel said that Slovenia was concerned over the postponement of Martti Ahtisaari’s Kosovo plan."

Postponement? Slovenia is so outdated. Those plans are dead at the UNSC. Don't believe? Ask the Russians.

louie

pre 16 godina

To Mr.Niall O'Doherty,why are you using the Irish name when you are deep down a Serb.I don't have nothing against the Serbs so in the future you can use your real name and not the Irish one.There is no chance that an Irishman calls Kosova/o,Kosovo-Metohija and he calls K-Albanians,separatists,this words only exists in Serbian Language!!!
I met thousands of Irish People and all of them understand the position of K-Albanians.
In Kosova/o after 1999 there was an Irish Charity Organisation called "GOAL",from Dublin,who helped to refurbish all the schools in Kosova/o,no matter of nationality or religion.
So I doubt that you are an Irishman as they are a very kind Nation.
I would like to thank again the "GOAL" for helping the pupils of Kosova/o to attend their classes in their schools.Kosova/o will always remember YOU.

Philip Davies

pre 16 godina

nikshala, your analogy of the Kosovo situation with that of a divorce is somewhat false as Kosovo is part of Serbia whereas the wife is not part physically part of the husband.

arben-Kosova-California

pre 16 godina

B92,!
why dou you publish documents or words that are not in english.I don't think that there is any Albanian that speaks Serbian since 1990,even before that we had two hours of Serbian language and two hours of english Per week at school.My father i believe he still knows some Serbian , he learned in the army ,but for us its like chinise we don't understand it .
SO, IT WOULD BE FAIR TO SEND THE COMMENTS IN ENGLISH.

Cvele

pre 16 godina

“The partition of Kosovo could offer inspiration to other Balkan countries and set even more of a precedent for other countries, especially on the territory of the former Soviet Union. A partition could also take place on its own, once unilateral independence is proclaimed for Kosovo,” Rupel said.

"It will set even more of a precedent." Thx for admitting it will set a precedent no matter what.

GSP

pre 16 godina

The only reason Slovenia joined the EU was to separate themselves from the former republics of Yugoslavia. Furthermore, any actions they take on "behalf" of being an EU memberstate is nothing other than a feather in their hat. Ask any Slovenian if they're happy with their current status as being a member of the EU - it's just like any capitalistic government - the rich get richer & the poor keep on suffering whilst the middle class take the burden off of both. Just wait until the EU comes after them for all of the money that was put into their nation.

Furthermore, to the comment from the article - “We could offer Serbia added responsibilities for solving the Kosovo crisis, for example, including them in the Contact Group, but in a supervisory capacity,” he said.

Croatia, not even part of the EU yet, has more clout than that of Slovenia due to the fact that they have a coastline which will generate (& has generated a considerable amount of tourism revenue). Isn't that what it's all about anyway - the almighty Evra, Kuna, Dollar - whatever you want to call it??

William Dorich

pre 16 godina

Response to Dimitrij Rupel re: Slovenia Concerned Over Kosovo:

Rupel believed in "partition" when it created an ethnically pure, Roman Catholic Slovenia. He believed and supported the creation of an ethnically pure Roman Catholic Croatia but not an ethnically divided Kosovo? What a hypocrite.

Where was his voice when 151 Serbian churches were destroyed in Kosovo in the past 5 years, right under the noses of 17,000 NATO troops? If that were 10 Slovenian churches this immoral diplomat would be screaming like a stuck pig.

As for Kosovo, he shows a disgusting contempt for the Serbs who were the majority of Kosovo for a thousands years until their liquidation by his Slovenian and Croat Nazis retuced them to 45% of the population after the Holocaust (1945). Serbs are now 7% today. They went from a majority to a minority in my lifetime.

Apparently this Slovenian will only call it Genocide when not a single Serb or a single Serbian church is left standing in Kosovo.

William Dorich
Los Angeles

Wm. Dorich is the author of 5 books on Balkan history including his 1992 book, Kosovo, the first book published in the U.S. on this region of the world.

nikshala

pre 16 godina

No Ron, Kosovo would not be free without NATO.

So reming what was you point again?

As far as Tibet, Kurdistan is concerned, than they should probably be free as well. The fact that they are not free, does not mean that Kosovo, shouldn't be either. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Naill O'Doherty - recently I watched a documentary about a divorce court in Iran - they had this woman who had an arranged marriage against her wish with this man. After they got married, he contiunally abused her for years, until she decided that she wanted to leave. Then he almost beat her to death, she lost her sight on one eye and she was in hospital for 2 months.

She was in court asking for a divorce since she didn't want to be married to the man that tried to kill her.

But her husband kept insisting that she was still his wife legaly, and she should go back to his house, and he was trying every trick in the book to obtruct her from getting divorced.

The judge granted the divorce.

This is very similar to what is happening with Kosovo and Serbia.

Do you think it would have beem reasonable to expect the wife to remain legaly married to the man that tried to kill her, because of the oath they took when they got married?

Obilic

pre 16 godina

nikshala, BTW "shala" means joke in Serbian....anyway, are you trying to say as a Serb, my safety would be at risk if i come to Kosovo and express my thoughts, feelings, and facts, since like you say, "Kocobo is still a part of Srbija"? Is that what Serbs have to look forward to? Afraid to give their ideas and points of view??? BTW, our churches, monuments and our history are the true tellers of whom Kosovo belongs to, our history hasnt been hijacked like some peoples!!! CCCC

luciano

pre 16 godina

The Slovenians are excellent businessmen who are mainly concerned with stability for the sake of economic oppurtunities for their firms in the Balkans.Serbs and Slovenes have no personal animosities towards each other and will eventually be good business partners.

Niall O'Doherty, Ireland

pre 16 godina

"It's been so long waiting from any of former Yugoslav Republics to come out and say that Kosovo belonged to Yugoslavia and not Serbia."

Simply not true.

"The 1974 constitution clearly states that both Vojvodina and Kosovo are part of the republic of Serbia.

- Philip Davies"

Touche Mr Davies for exposing yet another hollow lie in pro-independence argument. When will the K-Albanian seperatists ever realise that Kosovo-Methojia is legally part of Serbia and that status simply cannot change in the interests of international law, stability and security.

avi

pre 16 godina

It's been so long waiting from any of former Yugoslav Republics to come out and say that Kosovo belonged to Yugoslavia and not Serbia.
Do not push Mr Rupel to open his old archive and hand the proof to UN,EU and other international organizations.
I wounder now with what Croats will come up,they know about some old staf of the Yugoslav Federation.

Jovan

pre 16 godina

B92 at it´s best...

*snore*

the majority of Europe? well, maybe he hasn´t been delivered an update on the issue!

there is the need to act unanimously in the EU.
so, that "news" is just another "empty bag of air" ...or should we call it B92-news?

Philip Davies

pre 16 godina

"It's been so long waiting from any of former Yugoslav Republics to come out and say that Kosovo belonged to Yugoslavia and not Serbia."

Simply not true.

The 1974 constitution clearly states that both Vojvodina and Kosovo are part of the republic of Serbia.

http://sl.wikisource.org/wiki/Ustava_Socialisti%C4%8Dne_federativne_republike_Jugoslavije_%281974%29/Socialisti%C4%8Dna_federativna_republika_Jugoslavija

Yes the two automous provinces had a representative on the federal presidency and yes they had a status *close* to a republic. But they were still part of Serbia and not republics in their own right.

village-bey

pre 16 godina

Mr Dinitrij Rupel should be commended for his clarity of thought and his analytical framework. He is not shying away from the Slovenia’s responsibly as the next head of EU presidency but furthermore he shows a genuine concern for the final result.
That marks a sharp contrast with the stands of the Serbian side who seemed more concerned with the process itself.
Apart from the nonsensical claim to sovereignty over a territory the majority of which want nothing to do with Serbia, no one really knows what the Serbian real objective is in these talks.
Yes the problem is complex but this complexity is enhanced by negative stands of Belgrade.
Even the hardliners in here have come to acknowledge that the attempt to retain sovereignty over Kosova is not possible to say at least.
The sole purpose of having a foreign ministry is to sense, predict and react to what is happening internationally but it seems to me that Serbian foreign ministry has a modus operandi of its own, “nothing will happen without me wishing it”.
Guess what, it is going to happen with or without Serbia wishing it.

nikshala

pre 16 godina

Ratko and Obilic


why don't you two patriots come for a visit to Kosovo and see for yourself if Kosovo belongs to Serbia. - you could even try shouting to people 'This is Serbia!' and see what happends.

Obilic - you have already given up your 'homeland' in 1999. I come out of my house, I don't see any serbian police (not even that 1000 soldiers as per 1244), I don't see a serbian flag, my documents don't say serbia anywhere...

The only thing that Serbia has is a piece of paper that says that Kosovo is a legaly part of Serbia which soon will be irrelevant.

Very soon when Kosovo declares independence - try and come to Kosovo without a VISA and you'll be arrested and stripped by KPS just like the fearful Car Lazar thugs.

Obilic we albanians understand that you don't want to/will not give up, but we don't care - you can keep 'not giving up' for another 1000 years - maybe then you can and 'avenge' Kosovo.

Pera

pre 16 godina

Reminds me of that other concerned Slovenian, Tito (although he was half Croat) who populated Kosovo with Albanians to justify its change in status. This all took place after WWII and in many cases land was confiscated from Serbs. Prior to these events Kosovo was an integral part of Serbia.

Of course Tito and his fellow communists did not tamper with the borders of Croatia though there was far more justification for making Krajina an autonomous region of Jugoslavia.

This time Serbia will not be misled quite so easily.

Obilic

pre 16 godina

riiight!!! You can offer anything to Serbia, but the truth is, Serbs have NEVER sold their souls for personal gain unlike some other ethnic group. We will NEVER EVER give up our homeland, i dont understand what the albanians dont understand?? You will never take Kosovo away from Serbia, it just wont happen.

Ratko

pre 16 godina

Oh yes rupel, if you are so worried about Serbia - why don't you take all those albanians from KiM and make them citizens of your beloved slovenija?

laki,

you albanians have been trying to steal Serbian land for 8 years now, and still you haven't been able to do it. It's not gonna happen. Why? Well you can ask Mr. Putin, and beside him you will find marti's amazing plan right in the bottom of the garbage can - where it belongs!

laki NY

pre 16 godina

“That status was, in the time of Yugoslavia, practically identical to the status of a republic that no one stopped from becoming a state,” Rupel said.

Thank Mr Rupel for telling the truth.

Anyone knows the status Serbs had in Bosnia prior to the ethnic cleansing they orchestrated against other ethnic groups? Hmm Kate enlighten us with your propaganda . So Serbs can have their “Republika Srpska” while Albanians in Kosova can have autonomy only. Sorry we are going upgrade the status to independence weather Serbs and Russian like or not.

laki NY

pre 16 godina

“That status was, in the time of Yugoslavia, practically identical to the status of a republic that no one stopped from becoming a state,” Rupel said.

Thank Mr Rupel for telling the truth.

Anyone knows the status Serbs had in Bosnia prior to the ethnic cleansing they orchestrated against other ethnic groups? Hmm Kate enlighten us with your propaganda . So Serbs can have their “Republika Srpska” while Albanians in Kosova can have autonomy only. Sorry we are going upgrade the status to independence weather Serbs and Russian like or not.

nikshala

pre 16 godina

Ratko and Obilic


why don't you two patriots come for a visit to Kosovo and see for yourself if Kosovo belongs to Serbia. - you could even try shouting to people 'This is Serbia!' and see what happends.

Obilic - you have already given up your 'homeland' in 1999. I come out of my house, I don't see any serbian police (not even that 1000 soldiers as per 1244), I don't see a serbian flag, my documents don't say serbia anywhere...

The only thing that Serbia has is a piece of paper that says that Kosovo is a legaly part of Serbia which soon will be irrelevant.

Very soon when Kosovo declares independence - try and come to Kosovo without a VISA and you'll be arrested and stripped by KPS just like the fearful Car Lazar thugs.

Obilic we albanians understand that you don't want to/will not give up, but we don't care - you can keep 'not giving up' for another 1000 years - maybe then you can and 'avenge' Kosovo.

Obilic

pre 16 godina

riiight!!! You can offer anything to Serbia, but the truth is, Serbs have NEVER sold their souls for personal gain unlike some other ethnic group. We will NEVER EVER give up our homeland, i dont understand what the albanians dont understand?? You will never take Kosovo away from Serbia, it just wont happen.

village-bey

pre 16 godina

Mr Dinitrij Rupel should be commended for his clarity of thought and his analytical framework. He is not shying away from the Slovenia’s responsibly as the next head of EU presidency but furthermore he shows a genuine concern for the final result.
That marks a sharp contrast with the stands of the Serbian side who seemed more concerned with the process itself.
Apart from the nonsensical claim to sovereignty over a territory the majority of which want nothing to do with Serbia, no one really knows what the Serbian real objective is in these talks.
Yes the problem is complex but this complexity is enhanced by negative stands of Belgrade.
Even the hardliners in here have come to acknowledge that the attempt to retain sovereignty over Kosova is not possible to say at least.
The sole purpose of having a foreign ministry is to sense, predict and react to what is happening internationally but it seems to me that Serbian foreign ministry has a modus operandi of its own, “nothing will happen without me wishing it”.
Guess what, it is going to happen with or without Serbia wishing it.

Pera

pre 16 godina

Reminds me of that other concerned Slovenian, Tito (although he was half Croat) who populated Kosovo with Albanians to justify its change in status. This all took place after WWII and in many cases land was confiscated from Serbs. Prior to these events Kosovo was an integral part of Serbia.

Of course Tito and his fellow communists did not tamper with the borders of Croatia though there was far more justification for making Krajina an autonomous region of Jugoslavia.

This time Serbia will not be misled quite so easily.

Ratko

pre 16 godina

Oh yes rupel, if you are so worried about Serbia - why don't you take all those albanians from KiM and make them citizens of your beloved slovenija?

laki,

you albanians have been trying to steal Serbian land for 8 years now, and still you haven't been able to do it. It's not gonna happen. Why? Well you can ask Mr. Putin, and beside him you will find marti's amazing plan right in the bottom of the garbage can - where it belongs!

Niall O'Doherty, Ireland

pre 16 godina

"It's been so long waiting from any of former Yugoslav Republics to come out and say that Kosovo belonged to Yugoslavia and not Serbia."

Simply not true.

"The 1974 constitution clearly states that both Vojvodina and Kosovo are part of the republic of Serbia.

- Philip Davies"

Touche Mr Davies for exposing yet another hollow lie in pro-independence argument. When will the K-Albanian seperatists ever realise that Kosovo-Methojia is legally part of Serbia and that status simply cannot change in the interests of international law, stability and security.

nikshala

pre 16 godina

No Ron, Kosovo would not be free without NATO.

So reming what was you point again?

As far as Tibet, Kurdistan is concerned, than they should probably be free as well. The fact that they are not free, does not mean that Kosovo, shouldn't be either. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Naill O'Doherty - recently I watched a documentary about a divorce court in Iran - they had this woman who had an arranged marriage against her wish with this man. After they got married, he contiunally abused her for years, until she decided that she wanted to leave. Then he almost beat her to death, she lost her sight on one eye and she was in hospital for 2 months.

She was in court asking for a divorce since she didn't want to be married to the man that tried to kill her.

But her husband kept insisting that she was still his wife legaly, and she should go back to his house, and he was trying every trick in the book to obtruct her from getting divorced.

The judge granted the divorce.

This is very similar to what is happening with Kosovo and Serbia.

Do you think it would have beem reasonable to expect the wife to remain legaly married to the man that tried to kill her, because of the oath they took when they got married?

GSP

pre 16 godina

The only reason Slovenia joined the EU was to separate themselves from the former republics of Yugoslavia. Furthermore, any actions they take on "behalf" of being an EU memberstate is nothing other than a feather in their hat. Ask any Slovenian if they're happy with their current status as being a member of the EU - it's just like any capitalistic government - the rich get richer & the poor keep on suffering whilst the middle class take the burden off of both. Just wait until the EU comes after them for all of the money that was put into their nation.

Furthermore, to the comment from the article - “We could offer Serbia added responsibilities for solving the Kosovo crisis, for example, including them in the Contact Group, but in a supervisory capacity,” he said.

Croatia, not even part of the EU yet, has more clout than that of Slovenia due to the fact that they have a coastline which will generate (& has generated a considerable amount of tourism revenue). Isn't that what it's all about anyway - the almighty Evra, Kuna, Dollar - whatever you want to call it??

avi

pre 16 godina

It's been so long waiting from any of former Yugoslav Republics to come out and say that Kosovo belonged to Yugoslavia and not Serbia.
Do not push Mr Rupel to open his old archive and hand the proof to UN,EU and other international organizations.
I wounder now with what Croats will come up,they know about some old staf of the Yugoslav Federation.

Philip Davies

pre 16 godina

"It's been so long waiting from any of former Yugoslav Republics to come out and say that Kosovo belonged to Yugoslavia and not Serbia."

Simply not true.

The 1974 constitution clearly states that both Vojvodina and Kosovo are part of the republic of Serbia.

http://sl.wikisource.org/wiki/Ustava_Socialisti%C4%8Dne_federativne_republike_Jugoslavije_%281974%29/Socialisti%C4%8Dna_federativna_republika_Jugoslavija

Yes the two automous provinces had a representative on the federal presidency and yes they had a status *close* to a republic. But they were still part of Serbia and not republics in their own right.

Obilic

pre 16 godina

nikshala, BTW "shala" means joke in Serbian....anyway, are you trying to say as a Serb, my safety would be at risk if i come to Kosovo and express my thoughts, feelings, and facts, since like you say, "Kocobo is still a part of Srbija"? Is that what Serbs have to look forward to? Afraid to give their ideas and points of view??? BTW, our churches, monuments and our history are the true tellers of whom Kosovo belongs to, our history hasnt been hijacked like some peoples!!! CCCC

Cvele

pre 16 godina

“The partition of Kosovo could offer inspiration to other Balkan countries and set even more of a precedent for other countries, especially on the territory of the former Soviet Union. A partition could also take place on its own, once unilateral independence is proclaimed for Kosovo,” Rupel said.

"It will set even more of a precedent." Thx for admitting it will set a precedent no matter what.

Jovan

pre 16 godina

B92 at it´s best...

*snore*

the majority of Europe? well, maybe he hasn´t been delivered an update on the issue!

there is the need to act unanimously in the EU.
so, that "news" is just another "empty bag of air" ...or should we call it B92-news?

luciano

pre 16 godina

The Slovenians are excellent businessmen who are mainly concerned with stability for the sake of economic oppurtunities for their firms in the Balkans.Serbs and Slovenes have no personal animosities towards each other and will eventually be good business partners.

William Dorich

pre 16 godina

Response to Dimitrij Rupel re: Slovenia Concerned Over Kosovo:

Rupel believed in "partition" when it created an ethnically pure, Roman Catholic Slovenia. He believed and supported the creation of an ethnically pure Roman Catholic Croatia but not an ethnically divided Kosovo? What a hypocrite.

Where was his voice when 151 Serbian churches were destroyed in Kosovo in the past 5 years, right under the noses of 17,000 NATO troops? If that were 10 Slovenian churches this immoral diplomat would be screaming like a stuck pig.

As for Kosovo, he shows a disgusting contempt for the Serbs who were the majority of Kosovo for a thousands years until their liquidation by his Slovenian and Croat Nazis retuced them to 45% of the population after the Holocaust (1945). Serbs are now 7% today. They went from a majority to a minority in my lifetime.

Apparently this Slovenian will only call it Genocide when not a single Serb or a single Serbian church is left standing in Kosovo.

William Dorich
Los Angeles

Wm. Dorich is the author of 5 books on Balkan history including his 1992 book, Kosovo, the first book published in the U.S. on this region of the world.

Albion, New York

pre 16 godina

Mr. Dorich, by the tone of your writing, it shows that you are full of anger and hate towards anything that is not Serbian. I checked you wrote some books, congratulations, but no congratulations since you used as a reference some radical Serbian websites, which are designed to paint illusive picture of the real historical facts.
For your information the Kosovo battle was a battle of coalition forces comprised of Serbs, Albanians, Hungarians, Vlachs and others against the Ottomans, as a matter of fact Milos Kopiliqi who killed the sultan was Albanian.
You wrote: Serbs who were the majority of Kosovo for a thousands years until their liquidation by his Slovenian and Croat Nazis retuced them to 45% of the population after the Holocaust (1945). Serbs are now 7% today. They went from a majority to a minority in my lifetime.
If this were true, it would have been qualified, as genocide. Please show us any non - Serbian literature stating the same.
To write such a statement as this, it is very irresponsible especially by a publisher like you.
You know full well, that would not be possible, because right after the WWII 250000 Albanians, were deported to Turkey by Serbia.
You were never a majority in Kosova, and you will ever be, despite the Cubrilovic’s, the academy of sciences of Belgrade and S. Milosevic’s projects.
By the way, my suggestion to you is to relief yourself from such an anger and enjoy the rest of your life in peace.
Peace and prosperity for all.
Thank you B92

village-bey

pre 16 godina

William Dorich
Publishing a book is a very noble cause but that won’t stop us from recognizing that your accounts are very one-sided.

Philip Davies

pre 16 godina

nikshala, your analogy of the Kosovo situation with that of a divorce is somewhat false as Kosovo is part of Serbia whereas the wife is not part physically part of the husband.

louie

pre 16 godina

To Mr.Niall O'Doherty,why are you using the Irish name when you are deep down a Serb.I don't have nothing against the Serbs so in the future you can use your real name and not the Irish one.There is no chance that an Irishman calls Kosova/o,Kosovo-Metohija and he calls K-Albanians,separatists,this words only exists in Serbian Language!!!
I met thousands of Irish People and all of them understand the position of K-Albanians.
In Kosova/o after 1999 there was an Irish Charity Organisation called "GOAL",from Dublin,who helped to refurbish all the schools in Kosova/o,no matter of nationality or religion.
So I doubt that you are an Irishman as they are a very kind Nation.
I would like to thank again the "GOAL" for helping the pupils of Kosova/o to attend their classes in their schools.Kosova/o will always remember YOU.

Niall O'Doherty, Ireland

pre 16 godina

"To Mr.Niall O'Doherty,why are you using the Irish name when you are deep down a Serb.I don't have nothing against the Serbs so in the future you can use your real name and not the Irish one.There is no chance that an Irishman calls Kosova/o,Kosovo-Metohija and he calls K-Albanians,separatists,this words only exists in Serbian Language!!! "

Dear Louie,

Let me just clear up a few points for you. I am indeed Irish as I was born in Ireland and on my birth certificate that is indeed my name. My name as Gaeilge is Niall O Dochartaigh but I use the Anglicised version for general benefit. Louie, I do not have an drop of Serb blood in my veins and I do not subscribe to the Greater Serbia type of ethno-nationalism that I find like the other comepeting Balkan nationalism, Croatia & K-Albanians to be equally repulsive.

To be frank with you sir, I do understand the position of the K-Albanians and I have a number of K-Albanians who I consider as good and loyal friends as I have ever met. The K-Albanian position reminds of that of the NI Catholics who suffered inhumane injustice at the hands of the British authorities in state sponsored discrimination (jobs, education etc.), executions, mass aressts and internment without trial. We suffered too and I have many friends who lost close family relatives in the violence in NI. They were bitter about their experiences but they found it in themselves to faith and trust in their politicians and in the peace negotiations. We went to the table with an open mind of compromise and look at what we got, the Good Friday Agreement in which Catholics are now power sharing with their previous bitter enemies, Protestants without altering the balance of the sovereignty of the NI's position within the UK. Yes the K-Albanians did get a raw deal under Milosevic but you have to accept that the Serbia of today is not the animal it was in 1999. If you really want peace you've got to go the table with an open mind and prepare to make compromise. Your intransigent position of no independence - no deal simply will not work. Can you imagine if NI catholics had tried that tactic?

If both sides really want peace in Kosovo I would liek to urge them particularly Mr Ceku to study the Irish example and use that context to find a compromise. I'm just sick of all the infantile talk of 'we'll never live with Belgrade again' and Nikshala talking about divorcs in Iran. We said the same thing going into the peace talks, both sides compromised and now we have a working deal, peace and a bright future for all our children.

Thirdly the reason I call Kosovo, KiM is because its the official name for the Serbian province as its legally a constituent part of the Republic of Serbia. I believe in the sovereign right of Serbia to uphold its territorial integrity as a nation state as enshrined by international law. I do not believe that partition of independence would be the right outcome but the only way for peace is for both sides free of any deadlines of constraints is to sit down and hammer out their grieveances. If we can do it so can you.

P.S. I'm well aware of the great work GOAL is carrying out in Kosovo. In high school I helped organise a truck to be shipped out to Bosnia full of humanitarian aid to the inhabitants of Sarajevo.

louie

pre 16 godina

Dear Niall,thank you for your reply.
Now that I know that you are an Irish doesn't change my mind about not agreeing with you when it comes to Kosovo.
Living abroad you get sentimental for your country,I don't mind comments from anyone in the world.I don't hate Serbs,but I don't agree with their comments.
Now I have found on Irishman that is against the independence of Kosovo in this site,so I will respect your comments but won't agree with them.No hard feelings!
KiM is in Serbian "Kosovo i Metohija",so if you want to use the official name for Kosovo in English,it is only Kosovo,the Metohija started to appear only then when Serbia lost Kosovo.
We get upset sometimes when Serbian commentators are using this kind of words only for us to get provoked.Like CCCC,Kocobo je Spbija,etc.
So hopefully you understand where I am coming from!
Cheers!

arben-Kosova-California

pre 16 godina

B92,!
why dou you publish documents or words that are not in english.I don't think that there is any Albanian that speaks Serbian since 1990,even before that we had two hours of Serbian language and two hours of english Per week at school.My father i believe he still knows some Serbian , he learned in the army ,but for us its like chinise we don't understand it .
SO, IT WOULD BE FAIR TO SEND THE COMMENTS IN ENGLISH.

Obilic

pre 16 godina

Albion, youre saying my namesake is albanian?? LOL.....this is good example of "piggy backing" off our history just to claim it as your own, like claims that those old Serbian churches in Kosovo are really albanian.

lowe

pre 16 godina

"Dimitrij Rupel said that Slovenia was concerned over the postponement of Martti Ahtisaari’s Kosovo plan."

Postponement? Slovenia is so outdated. Those plans are dead at the UNSC. Don't believe? Ask the Russians.

laki NY

pre 16 godina

“That status was, in the time of Yugoslavia, practically identical to the status of a republic that no one stopped from becoming a state,” Rupel said.

Thank Mr Rupel for telling the truth.

Anyone knows the status Serbs had in Bosnia prior to the ethnic cleansing they orchestrated against other ethnic groups? Hmm Kate enlighten us with your propaganda . So Serbs can have their “Republika Srpska” while Albanians in Kosova can have autonomy only. Sorry we are going upgrade the status to independence weather Serbs and Russian like or not.

nikshala

pre 16 godina

Ratko and Obilic


why don't you two patriots come for a visit to Kosovo and see for yourself if Kosovo belongs to Serbia. - you could even try shouting to people 'This is Serbia!' and see what happends.

Obilic - you have already given up your 'homeland' in 1999. I come out of my house, I don't see any serbian police (not even that 1000 soldiers as per 1244), I don't see a serbian flag, my documents don't say serbia anywhere...

The only thing that Serbia has is a piece of paper that says that Kosovo is a legaly part of Serbia which soon will be irrelevant.

Very soon when Kosovo declares independence - try and come to Kosovo without a VISA and you'll be arrested and stripped by KPS just like the fearful Car Lazar thugs.

Obilic we albanians understand that you don't want to/will not give up, but we don't care - you can keep 'not giving up' for another 1000 years - maybe then you can and 'avenge' Kosovo.

arben-Kosova-California

pre 16 godina

B92,!
why dou you publish documents or words that are not in english.I don't think that there is any Albanian that speaks Serbian since 1990,even before that we had two hours of Serbian language and two hours of english Per week at school.My father i believe he still knows some Serbian , he learned in the army ,but for us its like chinise we don't understand it .
SO, IT WOULD BE FAIR TO SEND THE COMMENTS IN ENGLISH.

nikshala

pre 16 godina

No Ron, Kosovo would not be free without NATO.

So reming what was you point again?

As far as Tibet, Kurdistan is concerned, than they should probably be free as well. The fact that they are not free, does not mean that Kosovo, shouldn't be either. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Naill O'Doherty - recently I watched a documentary about a divorce court in Iran - they had this woman who had an arranged marriage against her wish with this man. After they got married, he contiunally abused her for years, until she decided that she wanted to leave. Then he almost beat her to death, she lost her sight on one eye and she was in hospital for 2 months.

She was in court asking for a divorce since she didn't want to be married to the man that tried to kill her.

But her husband kept insisting that she was still his wife legaly, and she should go back to his house, and he was trying every trick in the book to obtruct her from getting divorced.

The judge granted the divorce.

This is very similar to what is happening with Kosovo and Serbia.

Do you think it would have beem reasonable to expect the wife to remain legaly married to the man that tried to kill her, because of the oath they took when they got married?

Obilic

pre 16 godina

riiight!!! You can offer anything to Serbia, but the truth is, Serbs have NEVER sold their souls for personal gain unlike some other ethnic group. We will NEVER EVER give up our homeland, i dont understand what the albanians dont understand?? You will never take Kosovo away from Serbia, it just wont happen.

avi

pre 16 godina

It's been so long waiting from any of former Yugoslav Republics to come out and say that Kosovo belonged to Yugoslavia and not Serbia.
Do not push Mr Rupel to open his old archive and hand the proof to UN,EU and other international organizations.
I wounder now with what Croats will come up,they know about some old staf of the Yugoslav Federation.

village-bey

pre 16 godina

Mr Dinitrij Rupel should be commended for his clarity of thought and his analytical framework. He is not shying away from the Slovenia’s responsibly as the next head of EU presidency but furthermore he shows a genuine concern for the final result.
That marks a sharp contrast with the stands of the Serbian side who seemed more concerned with the process itself.
Apart from the nonsensical claim to sovereignty over a territory the majority of which want nothing to do with Serbia, no one really knows what the Serbian real objective is in these talks.
Yes the problem is complex but this complexity is enhanced by negative stands of Belgrade.
Even the hardliners in here have come to acknowledge that the attempt to retain sovereignty over Kosova is not possible to say at least.
The sole purpose of having a foreign ministry is to sense, predict and react to what is happening internationally but it seems to me that Serbian foreign ministry has a modus operandi of its own, “nothing will happen without me wishing it”.
Guess what, it is going to happen with or without Serbia wishing it.

Philip Davies

pre 16 godina

nikshala, your analogy of the Kosovo situation with that of a divorce is somewhat false as Kosovo is part of Serbia whereas the wife is not part physically part of the husband.

Ratko

pre 16 godina

Oh yes rupel, if you are so worried about Serbia - why don't you take all those albanians from KiM and make them citizens of your beloved slovenija?

laki,

you albanians have been trying to steal Serbian land for 8 years now, and still you haven't been able to do it. It's not gonna happen. Why? Well you can ask Mr. Putin, and beside him you will find marti's amazing plan right in the bottom of the garbage can - where it belongs!

Jovan

pre 16 godina

B92 at it´s best...

*snore*

the majority of Europe? well, maybe he hasn´t been delivered an update on the issue!

there is the need to act unanimously in the EU.
so, that "news" is just another "empty bag of air" ...or should we call it B92-news?

Niall O'Doherty, Ireland

pre 16 godina

"It's been so long waiting from any of former Yugoslav Republics to come out and say that Kosovo belonged to Yugoslavia and not Serbia."

Simply not true.

"The 1974 constitution clearly states that both Vojvodina and Kosovo are part of the republic of Serbia.

- Philip Davies"

Touche Mr Davies for exposing yet another hollow lie in pro-independence argument. When will the K-Albanian seperatists ever realise that Kosovo-Methojia is legally part of Serbia and that status simply cannot change in the interests of international law, stability and security.

Obilic

pre 16 godina

nikshala, BTW "shala" means joke in Serbian....anyway, are you trying to say as a Serb, my safety would be at risk if i come to Kosovo and express my thoughts, feelings, and facts, since like you say, "Kocobo is still a part of Srbija"? Is that what Serbs have to look forward to? Afraid to give their ideas and points of view??? BTW, our churches, monuments and our history are the true tellers of whom Kosovo belongs to, our history hasnt been hijacked like some peoples!!! CCCC

William Dorich

pre 16 godina

Response to Dimitrij Rupel re: Slovenia Concerned Over Kosovo:

Rupel believed in "partition" when it created an ethnically pure, Roman Catholic Slovenia. He believed and supported the creation of an ethnically pure Roman Catholic Croatia but not an ethnically divided Kosovo? What a hypocrite.

Where was his voice when 151 Serbian churches were destroyed in Kosovo in the past 5 years, right under the noses of 17,000 NATO troops? If that were 10 Slovenian churches this immoral diplomat would be screaming like a stuck pig.

As for Kosovo, he shows a disgusting contempt for the Serbs who were the majority of Kosovo for a thousands years until their liquidation by his Slovenian and Croat Nazis retuced them to 45% of the population after the Holocaust (1945). Serbs are now 7% today. They went from a majority to a minority in my lifetime.

Apparently this Slovenian will only call it Genocide when not a single Serb or a single Serbian church is left standing in Kosovo.

William Dorich
Los Angeles

Wm. Dorich is the author of 5 books on Balkan history including his 1992 book, Kosovo, the first book published in the U.S. on this region of the world.

Obilic

pre 16 godina

Albion, youre saying my namesake is albanian?? LOL.....this is good example of "piggy backing" off our history just to claim it as your own, like claims that those old Serbian churches in Kosovo are really albanian.

Philip Davies

pre 16 godina

"It's been so long waiting from any of former Yugoslav Republics to come out and say that Kosovo belonged to Yugoslavia and not Serbia."

Simply not true.

The 1974 constitution clearly states that both Vojvodina and Kosovo are part of the republic of Serbia.

http://sl.wikisource.org/wiki/Ustava_Socialisti%C4%8Dne_federativne_republike_Jugoslavije_%281974%29/Socialisti%C4%8Dna_federativna_republika_Jugoslavija

Yes the two automous provinces had a representative on the federal presidency and yes they had a status *close* to a republic. But they were still part of Serbia and not republics in their own right.

Pera

pre 16 godina

Reminds me of that other concerned Slovenian, Tito (although he was half Croat) who populated Kosovo with Albanians to justify its change in status. This all took place after WWII and in many cases land was confiscated from Serbs. Prior to these events Kosovo was an integral part of Serbia.

Of course Tito and his fellow communists did not tamper with the borders of Croatia though there was far more justification for making Krajina an autonomous region of Jugoslavia.

This time Serbia will not be misled quite so easily.

luciano

pre 16 godina

The Slovenians are excellent businessmen who are mainly concerned with stability for the sake of economic oppurtunities for their firms in the Balkans.Serbs and Slovenes have no personal animosities towards each other and will eventually be good business partners.

GSP

pre 16 godina

The only reason Slovenia joined the EU was to separate themselves from the former republics of Yugoslavia. Furthermore, any actions they take on "behalf" of being an EU memberstate is nothing other than a feather in their hat. Ask any Slovenian if they're happy with their current status as being a member of the EU - it's just like any capitalistic government - the rich get richer & the poor keep on suffering whilst the middle class take the burden off of both. Just wait until the EU comes after them for all of the money that was put into their nation.

Furthermore, to the comment from the article - “We could offer Serbia added responsibilities for solving the Kosovo crisis, for example, including them in the Contact Group, but in a supervisory capacity,” he said.

Croatia, not even part of the EU yet, has more clout than that of Slovenia due to the fact that they have a coastline which will generate (& has generated a considerable amount of tourism revenue). Isn't that what it's all about anyway - the almighty Evra, Kuna, Dollar - whatever you want to call it??

Cvele

pre 16 godina

“The partition of Kosovo could offer inspiration to other Balkan countries and set even more of a precedent for other countries, especially on the territory of the former Soviet Union. A partition could also take place on its own, once unilateral independence is proclaimed for Kosovo,” Rupel said.

"It will set even more of a precedent." Thx for admitting it will set a precedent no matter what.

louie

pre 16 godina

To Mr.Niall O'Doherty,why are you using the Irish name when you are deep down a Serb.I don't have nothing against the Serbs so in the future you can use your real name and not the Irish one.There is no chance that an Irishman calls Kosova/o,Kosovo-Metohija and he calls K-Albanians,separatists,this words only exists in Serbian Language!!!
I met thousands of Irish People and all of them understand the position of K-Albanians.
In Kosova/o after 1999 there was an Irish Charity Organisation called "GOAL",from Dublin,who helped to refurbish all the schools in Kosova/o,no matter of nationality or religion.
So I doubt that you are an Irishman as they are a very kind Nation.
I would like to thank again the "GOAL" for helping the pupils of Kosova/o to attend their classes in their schools.Kosova/o will always remember YOU.

lowe

pre 16 godina

"Dimitrij Rupel said that Slovenia was concerned over the postponement of Martti Ahtisaari’s Kosovo plan."

Postponement? Slovenia is so outdated. Those plans are dead at the UNSC. Don't believe? Ask the Russians.

Albion, New York

pre 16 godina

Mr. Dorich, by the tone of your writing, it shows that you are full of anger and hate towards anything that is not Serbian. I checked you wrote some books, congratulations, but no congratulations since you used as a reference some radical Serbian websites, which are designed to paint illusive picture of the real historical facts.
For your information the Kosovo battle was a battle of coalition forces comprised of Serbs, Albanians, Hungarians, Vlachs and others against the Ottomans, as a matter of fact Milos Kopiliqi who killed the sultan was Albanian.
You wrote: Serbs who were the majority of Kosovo for a thousands years until their liquidation by his Slovenian and Croat Nazis retuced them to 45% of the population after the Holocaust (1945). Serbs are now 7% today. They went from a majority to a minority in my lifetime.
If this were true, it would have been qualified, as genocide. Please show us any non - Serbian literature stating the same.
To write such a statement as this, it is very irresponsible especially by a publisher like you.
You know full well, that would not be possible, because right after the WWII 250000 Albanians, were deported to Turkey by Serbia.
You were never a majority in Kosova, and you will ever be, despite the Cubrilovic’s, the academy of sciences of Belgrade and S. Milosevic’s projects.
By the way, my suggestion to you is to relief yourself from such an anger and enjoy the rest of your life in peace.
Peace and prosperity for all.
Thank you B92

village-bey

pre 16 godina

William Dorich
Publishing a book is a very noble cause but that won’t stop us from recognizing that your accounts are very one-sided.

Niall O'Doherty, Ireland

pre 16 godina

"To Mr.Niall O'Doherty,why are you using the Irish name when you are deep down a Serb.I don't have nothing against the Serbs so in the future you can use your real name and not the Irish one.There is no chance that an Irishman calls Kosova/o,Kosovo-Metohija and he calls K-Albanians,separatists,this words only exists in Serbian Language!!! "

Dear Louie,

Let me just clear up a few points for you. I am indeed Irish as I was born in Ireland and on my birth certificate that is indeed my name. My name as Gaeilge is Niall O Dochartaigh but I use the Anglicised version for general benefit. Louie, I do not have an drop of Serb blood in my veins and I do not subscribe to the Greater Serbia type of ethno-nationalism that I find like the other comepeting Balkan nationalism, Croatia & K-Albanians to be equally repulsive.

To be frank with you sir, I do understand the position of the K-Albanians and I have a number of K-Albanians who I consider as good and loyal friends as I have ever met. The K-Albanian position reminds of that of the NI Catholics who suffered inhumane injustice at the hands of the British authorities in state sponsored discrimination (jobs, education etc.), executions, mass aressts and internment without trial. We suffered too and I have many friends who lost close family relatives in the violence in NI. They were bitter about their experiences but they found it in themselves to faith and trust in their politicians and in the peace negotiations. We went to the table with an open mind of compromise and look at what we got, the Good Friday Agreement in which Catholics are now power sharing with their previous bitter enemies, Protestants without altering the balance of the sovereignty of the NI's position within the UK. Yes the K-Albanians did get a raw deal under Milosevic but you have to accept that the Serbia of today is not the animal it was in 1999. If you really want peace you've got to go the table with an open mind and prepare to make compromise. Your intransigent position of no independence - no deal simply will not work. Can you imagine if NI catholics had tried that tactic?

If both sides really want peace in Kosovo I would liek to urge them particularly Mr Ceku to study the Irish example and use that context to find a compromise. I'm just sick of all the infantile talk of 'we'll never live with Belgrade again' and Nikshala talking about divorcs in Iran. We said the same thing going into the peace talks, both sides compromised and now we have a working deal, peace and a bright future for all our children.

Thirdly the reason I call Kosovo, KiM is because its the official name for the Serbian province as its legally a constituent part of the Republic of Serbia. I believe in the sovereign right of Serbia to uphold its territorial integrity as a nation state as enshrined by international law. I do not believe that partition of independence would be the right outcome but the only way for peace is for both sides free of any deadlines of constraints is to sit down and hammer out their grieveances. If we can do it so can you.

P.S. I'm well aware of the great work GOAL is carrying out in Kosovo. In high school I helped organise a truck to be shipped out to Bosnia full of humanitarian aid to the inhabitants of Sarajevo.

louie

pre 16 godina

Dear Niall,thank you for your reply.
Now that I know that you are an Irish doesn't change my mind about not agreeing with you when it comes to Kosovo.
Living abroad you get sentimental for your country,I don't mind comments from anyone in the world.I don't hate Serbs,but I don't agree with their comments.
Now I have found on Irishman that is against the independence of Kosovo in this site,so I will respect your comments but won't agree with them.No hard feelings!
KiM is in Serbian "Kosovo i Metohija",so if you want to use the official name for Kosovo in English,it is only Kosovo,the Metohija started to appear only then when Serbia lost Kosovo.
We get upset sometimes when Serbian commentators are using this kind of words only for us to get provoked.Like CCCC,Kocobo je Spbija,etc.
So hopefully you understand where I am coming from!
Cheers!