To all,
Zalmay Khalidzad was an Ambassador of US in Afganistan, then briefly in Iraq, now he represents US ar UN.
Before all this he was with RAND Corporation. Maybe some of you know that or not.
He is considered one of the smartest people alive.
He is an Afgani by heritage but they say his IQ is one of the highest in the world.
He knows what he's talkin about.
(lazer, 28. August 2007 14:25)
To lazer - Hitler's IQ was 145 (Genus) - so, what's your point?
To all,
Zalmay Khalidzad was an Ambassador of US in Afganistan, then briefly in Iraq, now he represents US ar UN.
Before all this he was with RAND Corporation. Maybe some of you know that or not.
He is considered one of the smartest people alive.
He is an Afgani by heritage but they say his IQ is one of the highest in the world.
He knows what he's talkin about.
"We are getting tired of this Anti-American hate speech coming from countries such as iraq and serbia, it's really annoying. Politics isn't fair and it never will. America makes threats and America will keep their promise."
written by an Albanian who rather choses to call himself "American"
boy, what is the reason for this cheap masquerade? what do you want to achieve with that?
no single American would write the serbian province with an a at the end... and to be honest... trying to create some virtual "understanding" by some alleged "American" is only ridiculous.
that´s just the kind of lousy comments I have meant when I asked the B92-"journalists" to bring REAL info instead of stupid chit chat that is only good to provoke selfproclaimed experts who actually really seem to believe to be in the position to quot Mr.Putin and being capable of interpreting his words.
Its only a matter of time b4 US falls apart the way of the USSR. I would give it 10-15 years. Once oil becomes a much more coveted commodity.
(Cvele, 28. August 2007 00:38)
I am sorry that I wrote serbia instead of Serbia. The reason may be that the comment box is about an inch wide and also the spell checker here beyond sucks.
When I said "anti-american" I meant your post. You give it 10 to 15 years before America collapses? America has lasted some of the greatest tests of history, do you really think this one is worse than Vietnam, Korean War, Cold War, etc etc?? You must be kidding me, answer me this; do you find yourself constantly saying "kosovo is always serbian?"
You say you dare Serbia to drop one single bomb on American soil in Kosovo? Hey mister you should know America has NO soil in Kosovo, they are nothing more then a peace keeping visitor in Kosovo! By all legal rights they can by law be asked to leave! Failure to do so would then make them an occupier like in Iraq and we all know how people around the world like to be occupied by America!Kosovo is another battle America has lost! They lost it back in May of this year just like they lost Afghanistan and Iraq... Sorry to burst your bubble Mr. Cowboy.
Ahtisaari and his mates can paint the picture, blue, black, red, green, whichever colour comes to mind, however the clear picture is that Kosovo and Metohija is legal sovereign territory of Serbia.
Therefore if the Russians are left out, we are entering a new phase in world politics.
We are entering into new laws, erh. pardon, I mean to say illegal laws and an illegal world.
What a bloody mess, Mr. Ahtisaari.
Everyone should be focusing on "AUTONOMY".
We have a legal argument here.
"lowe my boy don't be a hypocrite. Don't try to make believe that the economic well-being of 2 million K-Albanians is so much on your heart. Anyway I can assure you that the US alone (but I imagine that the EU would be generous too) could help Kosovo financially with few billion dollars. The US gives away many billions per year. As a result Kosovo could even bypass poor Serbia after a while.
(Joe, 27. August 2007 15:28) "
Joe
I am not being hypocritical but being REALISTIC. The economic facts are there whether you are willing to face them or not. And YOU are being naive if you choose to be the proverbial ostrich with its head in the sand to economic realities.
When did I claim to be have the well being of Albanians or Serbs or Croats or, for that matter, Africans or Eskimos close to my heart? So don't accuse me of "pretending" just because I highlighted the unpleasant but undeniable economic facts to you.
So from your analogy, does this mean Kosovo would be content to be a US-EU ward indefinitely? Always dependent on handouts? And are you so sure these countries will be willing to bail you out economically forever, given that the West is currently having its own economic problems?
What makes you think the US is a bottomless financial well, able to dish out billions of dollars here and there on a whim? In case you don't know, it has the BIGGEST balance of payments deficit in the entire world, not to mention the bankruptcies and foreclosures in its own backyard at the moment from its sub-prime mortgage fiasco. Not to forget its military (AND FINANCIAL) quagmire in Iraq and Afghanistan. So if I were you I wouldn't be so sure about the billions and billions that you predict will come automatically from your now-no-longer-so-rich sugar daddies in the West.
In any case, how TRULY independent will Kosovo be if it have to always rely on others for economic bailouts???? You may call this independence, I would certainly beg to differ.
We are getting tired of this Anti-American hate speech coming from countries such as iraq and serbia, it's really annoying. Politics isn't fair and it never will. America makes threats and America will keep their promise. I dare the SCO to touch one American citizen or drop a bomb near any American-base or american soil.
You will see why us Americans shout "we're number 1" proudly.
(American, 27. August 2007 19:27)
To "American" -
To be proud of your citizenship is one thing, to state that ALL Americans are sick & tired of the malarchy that is being spread by Iraq & Serbia is complete rubbish.
All of your bloody tax dollars are fueling (no pun intended) the young children of America that being killed in the middle east. Additionally, what about your Katrina victims? What are you doing for them & what makes you think that anyone will believe anything your embarassment of a president states as being "gospel".
We valued the relationship of the US until Clinton made the grave error of using NATO to bomb Serbia. You say you were looking for Milosevic, but with all of the technology of the (then) 20th century, how could a plane make a grave error & bomb a hospital, hotel & other areas that contain non-threatening persons?
Guess the missle that hit a UK base was a "mistake" too that should be excused?
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/skynews/20070822/twl-us-helicopter-crash-in-iraq-kills-14-3fd0ae9_2.html
So, when your president makes you proud & is able to keep your Social Security pension secured for your ripe retirement age as well as tend to the citizens of your great country, then & only then will we give you the opportunity to speak on/against Serbia.
American aka albanian
"It's the US goal to establish an independent Kosova. We couldn't control such an unstable country like serbia. Albanians have proven to the US that they are one of our biggest allies, from Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. I do mean Albanians as in from Kosova, Albania, Macedonia, and others.
Why would we give serbs visas when they denounces us on their media (live and newspapers) how they hate us and such?"
First of few things about your post clearly give away the fact you are albanian. Like spelling Serbia with a lower case S and albania with a capital one.
Here is the truth American.
Kosovo will never be independent because EU will not unite without a UN mandate. US may talk big but this is a project that Russia has quite successfully halted in its tracks. Most important thing is that US does not wish to give Russia a reason to occupy Georgia. For which they are waiting on another US briliant unilateral move.
America has become a joke. It cant fund its own projects, its in 2 failed wars with 3 or 4 more Nations at a brink of war with the US. US economy is crumbling and its rather amuzing to watch the stock market collapse.
The government constantly holds its citizens hostage to either terror alerts or some kind of threats.
Its only a matter of time b4 US falls apart the way of the USSR. I would give it 10-15 years. Once oil becomes a much more coveted commodity.
"I can tell you oe thing and you can take it to the bank; " serbian BOOT will never come back to KosovA and they will never be able to rule ever agin", (ahmet isufi, 27. August 2007 17:33)
Ahmed, the world has seen how serbia has democratized and reformed, UNLIKE, kosovo. 1244, is being visited right now, to allow for 2000 serbian BOOTS (1000 X 2). This is just a symbol however for the FULL reintigration in the future, whether it is 100 or 500 years from now. My children will be taught to never forget who they are and their history. Plus we have the title to the land so you are not in a position to guarantee anything.
No I wasn't on this site when someone replied. I see that someone took the liberty to represent me, it's okay.
America has 302 million people right now, that means nor I Mike, Jake, Josh or whom ever it may be do NOT represent all those people. Our views our mainly our own.
I merely spoke out because I do care about news and current events and I do visit this website. Seriously, enough with this Anti-America thing, it is really annoying.
I'm not going to take sides. I do honestly believe that Kosova or kosovo (whatever you wish) will gain independence. My country will support an independent Kosova and just because some democratic candidate will become next president the overall mission in Balkans won't finish until Kosova becomes self-ruled.
It's the US goal to establish an independent Kosova. We couldn't control such an unstable country like serbia. Albanians have proven to the US that they are one of our biggest allies, from Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. I do mean Albanians as in from Kosova, Albania, Macedonia, and others.
Why would we give serbs visas when they denounces us on their media (live and newspapers) how they hate us and such?
Joe please don't ever question my patriotism or my loyalty to this country. I told you plain enough already what I supported, and who I voted for some months back. You know it, and I don’t need to repeat it. Moreover, I find it increasingly unsettling that you feel the need to be some sort of self-appointed representative determining what an American is or should not be. If you are so infatuated with our current administration and its foreign policy, if you are so determined to show how America is the only country in the world that can save other nations from the apparent evils of Russia, China, etc, how about using the comment sections to make an educated argument? Believe me, I would be one of the first to support you on it. You seem to only react, and react defensively, in your comments. Why you are on this site other than to convey anti-Serb invective is beyond me, but if this is a way to make you personally feel better, then fine. I have received kudos from both moderate Serbs and Albanians on this site for the views in my comments and the attempt at truly finding a way forward between the two embattled peoples. As someone who supported our efforts in Iraq, and who wanted all those Euroskeptics to eat crow, I would love to hear a sound solution from you as well beyond the simple and worn out “America is the greatest country in the world,” Empirical statements are needed here, not normative catchphrases.
The fundamental thing that separates you and me is that I feel it appropriate, even necessary to question government, and the representatives that lead it. You claim to be the defender of American values, so I going to assume you are well familiar that questioning government is a cornerstone of American thinking, codified by Jefferson, Madison, Tocqueville, Lincoln, and Truman. Yet you constantly seem to throw blind faith and unquestioning loyalty to Washington in ways that would make Milošević, Chavez, Ahmadinejad, and Putin happy - the very people you claim to despise. In fact, if you were living in any of those countries, you would probably be one of their biggest supporters. Your claim as a patriotic American is to believe that we are not only the best country in the world, but the only country that matters. You claim to be a patriotic American but you make enemies even out of moderates on this site, failing even to differentiate them from the nationalists. You constantly resort to stereotypical comments about Serbs, Russians, and anyone else that you feel are collective enemies of America. You constantly castigate anyone with a slightly divergent view of the United States. You tell people to go back to where they come from (which I find ironic since you were born outside this country), or barring that, to go to Venezuela or Russia, your dictatorships of choice. If this is the only thing you can resort to when challenged on an idea or an argument, you have no frame of reference to base your claims. To me, this sounds like someone who greatly fears the way the world is turning and constantly needs to think America is still this unipolar hegemon that the world fears and needs. Unless you are living in Dick Cheney's basement with a TV and an internet that only gets government-sponsored media, you would know that this administration in particular has hardly any credibility both at home and in the world abroad. Do you think I somehow like this? Do you somehow think I'm one of those people Hannity and Coulter warned you about that are secretly plotting to ruin America from within? Your comments have the mentality of a paranoid SPS supporter, lashing out at everything and anything smacking of treason and the need for constant vigilance against threats to our national security. McCarthy would be proud of you.
You see the world as this epic battle between good and evil with little to no gray area in between. The truth is, you need Russia to be the enemy. You need Serbia to be nationalistic. You need the Albanians to be helpless without the U.S. You need Europe to be weak and dependent on America in order to affirm what you believe is still the Cold War going on. In reality, you fail to see the multipolarity of the world, the addition of new powers and new forces in the world that don't so much counter American interests as they question and challenge them, seeking clarity and validation. You need to constantly believe that you are living in the most powerful country in the world. I wonder what your thoughts are on our abysmal handling of Katrina? Of declining educational standards across the country? Of scandal after scandal of this administration? Of our refusal to change strategies on the war efforts in Iraq? Of our treatment of prisoners at Guantanamo Bay? If you’re that supportive of this government, please address these. I supported our president. I supported our war efforts. I supported our reconstruction efforts in Iraq. After enough screw-ups and blatant disregard for the rule of law (unwarranted wire-taps, Constitutional abuse, legislative strong-arming, even environmental degradation), I can no longer find myself able to honestly support this administration. If you can tell me how you still can, I’d love to hear it.
Joe, you need to differentiate between people that are clearly anti-American and those who are critical of our government and its actions over the past years. Both are not interdependent. You need to stop looking for enemies where they don’t exist. You need to realize America is no longer the unquestioned superpower in the world. You also need to realize that America is still the greatest place in the world to live, and those who love it, often question its policies. I take no pleasure in writing any of this. It doesn’t really matter whether you agree with me or not. It also doesn’t matter whether you ignore my reply or simply tell me to go to Russia for lack of a better comeback. Nothing is going to change your mind. The only consolation I can possibly think of is that based solely on what I read in your reactionary comments, you represent a rapidly shrinking percentage of thinkers in this country that are ignoring and overlooking whatever they can, and lashing out at whatever they can’t.
Ratko,
I don't know if American is on site right now. So it is a pleasure for me to answer for him since I am also an American.
The US is in Kosovo/a in a great humanitarian mission defending the once long terrorized and oppressed K-Albanians against those Serb oppressors, who with Kalashnikov Kostunica in lead did not change at all since the nineties. So America is playing the good shepherd.
Answer to your second question is also very simple. Even none Americans can figure it out. Any country committing atrocities like Serbia did or threatening other countries security can be a legitimate target. The US as the only super power has this obligation versus smaller countries. Those times are gone when some bad wolves could run freely and commit barbaric crimes.
It is great to read your posting, the posting of a true American, who loves his country and is proud of it. Until now one could just read the comments of 3 pseudo-Americans of Serbian descent, who seem to be a security risk to our country.
Today is a great day on this site. Very entertaining. In one article one can read about the funny "show" of Vuk. In this one a lot of posturing and grand standing from the likes of Dragan using those propaganda buzz words like "holding all the cards", "it is a win win situation", etc. Poor Milosevic, if he could read all these Dragans he would be happy. But one can ask logically that if it is really so as they pretend than why do they waste their time here day in day out? If they are so sure of their win win situation why are they not going fishing or looking for fun? Why do they try to convince themself? Well everybody knows the answer.
Mike,
I am just wondering if you were ever satisfied with any of the US administrations in your life. You seem to be one of the those few, who's heart was always in Russia or Serbia. I continue to encourage people like you to emigrate to those "democratic" countries.
More huffing and puffing, shouting and tantrum throwing.. BIG DEAL! In the END, all the Albanians will get is a disaffected (and more extremist) population, an entrenched criminal mafia (i.e drugs, human trafficking, weapons smuggling), and plenty of poverty and backwardness to last SEVERAL generations
Everything else is just huffing and puffing. You may say what you want but it won't change a thing!
Ya sure.. I would like to see the usa go with out Russia!
america is the only country in the world who makes threats like this!
(Ratko, 27. August 2007 14:41)
We are getting tired of this Anti-American hate speech coming from countries such as iraq and serbia, it's really annoying. Politics isn't fair and it never will. America makes threats and America will keep their promise. I dare the SCO to touch one American citizen or drop a bomb near any American-base or american soil.
You will see why us Americans shout "we're number 1" proudly.
Why Serbia did not accept Res. 1244 in Rambuje? Was it because Serbian politicians were short sighted and did not take the US threat for real?
Serbian politicians have destroyed the lives of many innocent people (even Serbians), because they did not have the courage to accept the truth that they failed to choose the right path, a path that is not supporting the war, killing and raping innocent people.
Serbians politicians are not accepting for real the US and EU recommendation that Kosovan Independence is the only solution. Later on, Serbians will be very surprised that they will not have any support for other problems that can occur in Serbia (other unresolved situations).
Serbia cannot pretend an innocent member of former Yugoslavia, when the west knew that Serbia had a control of the army. And Serbian politicians failed to direct the army to protect the citizens (as it’s main “motto” as we used to know). Serbian politicians misused the force and directed the army for a wrong cause, and that is why some of them are in Hague.
Yet again, Serbian politicians are failing to understand that UN (as far as I know Marty Ahtisary it’s a UN representative) is recommending the Independence. That is the UN (representing the whole world) is recommending the Independence. Only Serbia, and Russia for it’s personal gains is objecting that.
Many countries did not accept Israel as well, but as we know it today it is one of the most influential countries in the world.
It will happen the same with Kosova as well. Albanians are all over the world, and that is thanks to Serbian politicians who created unnecessary enemies, by destroying their lives and forcing them out of Kosova.
Serbia has a good chance now to amend that stance, but you will have to have a courage to accept the truth of all the wrong doing you did and apologise to all the nations in the former Yugoslavia.
Japan and Germany did apologise about the WII and see were they are now.
Kosovars will build their future with or without the neighbouring Serbia, but they will not forget the past.
1. Securing energy supply for the States is at the top of my agenda
- It's nice that none of those resources come from Russia. For strategic reasons, it's a good idea not to rely on them for this country's "life blood."
2. A resurgent Russia is placing a stranglehold on energy supply from countries in its sphere of influence
- Not quite.
Russian econonomy's breadwinner is energy. It relies on Western companies to provide the advance technologies to extract/transport oil and natural gas. Russia is a minor player in just about every other field.
As such, it can only restrict supply so much without shooting itself in the foot. It has already made other countries look for alternatives (as they already are in the EU) not just in energy, but in other supply routes as well.
3. There is no military option to securing a share, so I want to keep the Russians on side, without kow-towing.
- Russia still holds nuclear weapons, so militarily speaking, it's a no-win. However, please read (1).
4. Europe is uncomfortable with the thought of unilateral declarations because of its own separatists, and because it depends directly on Russia for energy, supplies of which didn’t stop, even at the height of the Cold War. So I want to keep Europe happy and in my country’s sphere of influence.
- So far Russia has only played hardball with the EU with regard to its NATO expansion ambitions, which it sees as a threat to Russian national security. It's very unlikely that Russia will endanger billions of dollars worth of business with the EU for a province like Kosovo. Despite all the rhetoric, it's simply not that important a region for them.
I'll give you that there is dissent between several EU members about Kosovo.... Portugal, Greece, and Slovakia seem to be against the notion of independence. But you also should remember that the EU needs an example where it is seen to have an effective foreign policy, especially after the fiaskos of Bosnia and Iraq.
5. Other major countries, such as China, India, Brazil and Indonesia are watching carefully. I don’t want China to retaliate with a trade war. I don’t want India to turn back to Russia. I don’t want South America to support Chavez. I don’t want a hostile Indonesia causing problems in South East Asia.
- India is in the U.S-s pocket for business and strategic reasons. In case you missed the latest news, the U.S. and India just signed a nuclear agreement between each other. Let's not get started with the IT industry and the massive Indian diaspora in the States. I doubt India knows or cares about Kosovo.
- South America already despises Chavez, especially Brazil and Argentina, the heavy hitters of L. America. Bolivia, Cuba and Russia are his only friends really.
- China will get into a trade war with the States over Kosovo? Let's not kid ourselves.
6. Serbia is becoming more reasonable with its offer of autonomy plus. I don’t want them to fall into Russia’s sphere of influence.
- Serbia is already under Russian sphere of influence and as for "being reasonable", well, only the Serbs and the Russians seem to think so.
7. Serbia’s politicians are unlikely to respond to the stick but will compromise given the carrot of retaining sovereignty and accelerated membership in the EU.
- If you say so.
8. I sympathise with the Albanians but the game has changed. Radical Islamic elements no longer view the Albanians as 'true Muslims',so they will not see the States as supporting a Muslim country's struggle for freedom. They have nothing to offer by way of compensation for all the problems supporting their independence would cause. They are not a significant voting bloc in the States and their lobby doesn’t have the sort of money needed for the States to ‘go it alone’.
- Serb propaganda is trying its best to depict Albanians as "fundamentalist muslims" who would be the gateway to creating a European caliphate along with Bosnia. I thought this particular comment was kind of funny actually in the sense that it was an implicit acknowledgement that this whole effort was just a low, smear campaign.
The American politician might view this as follows:
- On the other hand, the Russians are pushing their luck too far. Maybe Putin needs to be taught a lesson. Kosovo might be a good place to prove a point.
9. Kosovo Albanian politicians are easily compromised and can be pressured to accept a negotiated settlement, or removed. I decide to tell Ceku that he has ‘decided to resign’ and warn the others not to turn themselves into my country’s enemy. I offer them the carrot of financial aid and sponsorship.
- That's probably wishful thinking. My guess is the only thing you might get the Kosovo Albanians to compromise on, is to possibly let Northern Kosovo go.
My solution is to push Serbia to the limit on concessions, have Europe take the lead on forging a compromise, making the Russians happy and avoiding any number of potential crises worldwide. I reluctantly accept the result.
- I don't doubt some politicians think so.
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In the end, neither you or I can read minds and this is just speculation :).
"...america is the only country in the world who makes threats like this!"
Well at least unlike Russia they don't threaten countries by aiming their missiles at them. I heard a certain fellow named Putin making that threat to a certain continent called Europe.
Victor K, the US doesn't have to destroy anything,since all of those institutions you mention live from US money.
Luciano, it seems that all Mr. Khalizad needs to know he learned from Randy Newman's "Political Science".
On a second thought, we have corporate sponsorship in international sports withsponsor logos plastered all over the place. Perhaps it is high time to introduce the same in international politics as well. I can easilly visualize Mr. Khalizad emblazoned with Unocal logo. That way, corporate sponsors will at least get some advertisement for their cash, since Mr. Khalizad brings no victories.
Rade, no matter how you read beetwen the lines I can tell you oe thing and you can take it to the bank; " serbian BOOT will never come back to KosovA and they will never be able to rule ever agin", if this makes you happy you can call it wide autonomy or what ever you feel like.
the US are running out of arguments...as it seems.
one is only threatening with unilateral steps if he has no other opportunities! just as those albanian teenage-criminals who can´t stand the proof of many centuries of serbian culture and identity of Kosovo, and therefore burning it down...
boys, the US would damage themselves if they did that! I would rather say they try to calm you down until it is cold outside in order to prevent any outbreak before winter.
you will calm down easier when you´re freezing like ice...
so, the US can win additional time and you have something to boast about...
in the end you´ll be realizing that you´ve been duped. and I will remember you of my words...
We all know he was bribed with 40mill. How is that middle of the road. The Albanians get 15% of Serbian land and the Serbs get some so called rights under an islamic umbrella. We didn't want that durring the Ottomen rule and don't want it now. Thats why Serbs are sill mostly Christan.
To the USA: first, you have to destroy the UN SC, the UN Charter, then Res 1244, then The Contact Group Guiding Principles (by the way signed by Washington)...., and only after that you may try to proclaim Kosovo "independence". Do you believe that smb will give you such a chance? Never!
"Case closed"? Wow, you must be one of those rare lawyers that gives out free legal advice.
If only you were around when NATO was drawing up Resolution 1244. Or at least at the UNSC vote to tell them Russia can’t veto because the case is closed.
It’s not too late though. You can tell the Troika to call off the talks. You've closed this case.
These kind of threats from the americans won't work because the Russians and Serbs are holding all the cards. So what if the americans unilaterally recognize a greater albania? It will be an illegal state like north cyprus, and the Serbs will still control the north which holds most of the mineral wealth. In addition, Republika Srpska will declare independence immediately and be recognized by Russia in retaliation, and Russia will recognize many other areas of the former soviet union, this will be their perfect excuse to do it. So go ahead america, do it. I dare you. Serbs and Russians are in a win-win situation here, and your threats are completely toothless.
Looking at this matter from the perspective of a patriotic American politician;
1. Securing energy supply for the States is at the top of my agenda.
2. A resurgent Russia is placing a stranglehold on energy supply from countries in its sphere of influence.
3. There is no military option to securing a share, so I want to keep the Russians on side, without kow-towing.
4. Europe is uncomfortable with the thought of unilateral declarations because of its own separatists, and because it depends directly on Russia for energy, supplies of which didn’t stop, even at the height of the Cold War. So I want to keep Europe happy and in my country’s sphere of influence.
5. Other major countries, such as China, India, Brazil and Indonesia are watching carefully. I don’t want China to retaliate with a trade war. I don’t want India to turn back to Russia. I don’t want South America to support Chavez. I don’t want a hostile Indonesia causing problems in South East Asia.
6. Serbia is becoming more reasonable with its offer of autonomy plus. I don’t want them to fall into Russia’s sphere of influence.
7. Serbia’s politicians are unlikely to respond to the stick but will compromise given the carrot of retaining sovereignty and accelerated membership in the EU.
8. I sympathise with the Albanians but the game has changed. Radical Islamic elements no longer view the Albanians as 'true Muslims',so they will not see the States as supporting a Muslim country's struggle for freedom. They have nothing to offer by way of compensation for all the problems supporting their independence would cause. They are not a significant voting bloc in the States and their lobby doesn’t have the sort of money needed for the States to ‘go it alone’.
9. Kosovo Albanian politicians are easily compromised and can be pressured to accept a negotiated settlement, or removed. I decide to tell Ceku that he has ‘decided to resign’ and warn the others not to turn themselves into my country’s enemy. I offer them the carrot of financial aid and sponsorship.
My solution is to push Serbia to the limit on concessions, have Europe take the lead on forging a compromise, making the Russians happy and avoiding any number of potential crises worldwide. I reluctantly accept the result.
It is a sad realization for me, but I no longer take seriously anything said by my present government or any of its appointed representatives. As the Bush Administration is imploding by the day, and as they lose a further grip on reality in Iraq, they tend to say the exact opposite of what they know is true. Kosovo can no more become independent without Russian input, than Iraq can become stable without Saudi and Iranian cooperation. I also find it interesting how the so-called US-European coaltion on Kosovo seems to be saying two opposite things every other day. Yesterday it was reported Ischinger said there would be no Kosovo solution this year - even to the point of waiting for the next Russian election, and today, Khalizad says a solution should be pushed forward one way or another, with or without Russia. I think this was more of a salving slogan for the Albanians who were probably miffed again at being put on the back burner. While I agree that something should be done soon, and that the Albanians need to be thrown into the drivers seat for a change, small little article tidbits like these only serve to animate the less informed readers into making absolutist statements on both sides of the debate.
If your interpretation of the Marty Ahtisary plan is offered by Sebia, EU and Russia, then why Serbia did not accept the plan.
USA and major countries of EU are sick or Serbian misinterpretations and false promises.
Serbia tried to revoke the basic rights in 1991 and expel all the Albanians from Kosova. There are documented plans by Serbian officials that were in charge at that time. The confidence of the Albanian population has run out, and that is why the only solution that Albanians will accept is the Independence and nothing short of that.
If Serbia were not that greedy to control all the Yugoslavia and occupy more land, than we would not be here today. We would still have Yugoslavia, probably already an EU member with better economic situation.
Serbia, is recognised by International Community as the cause and the initiator of all the troubles in former Yugoslavia, but it has failed to punish it accordingly.
On the other hand it is giving you free ticket to EU (carrot without a stick I am afraid).
Kosova is going to be independent, weather you like it or not. It is unfortunate that Serbia does not realise, that it is going to loose more by these stubborn attitudes on something that is a done deal.
Serbia went to war with NATO because it was reluctant to agree in Rambuje something similar to UN resolution 1244. But now it is using UN resolution 1244 as a bible.
Now, is it fighting against Marty Ahtisary plan, but not realising that later it is going to use Marty’s plan as a bible, but unfortunately it is going to be to late.
It is in the best interest of every democratic citizens of Serbia (citizens with common sense), that the future it is in EU. If you think you want closer relations with Russia (than EU), then probably you should ask Russia to make you some room there and migrate there. And we all leave happy after.
The title of this story reminds me of the U2 song "With or Without You".Is it not funny that the US relies on China to fund our budget deficit due to our overspending and overconsumption?Do you all think maybe that is the reason we have not recognized Taiwan?It is too bad the Serbs do not have money to lend us so we can be their debtors-LOL
tell the u s to give back texis new mixico give independance to miami to cuba but that is strange? but that is the usa you cant do that. but they can do it to serbia
Rade,
It seems you have the typical Serb blind spot when it comes to Kosova. (The spelling I use for Kosova is that used by the overwhelming majority of its citizens. No one but Serbs know what Metohija is!)
Unfortunately for the Serbs, it is time to move on the issue of Status for Kosova. No more stalling. It is clear that the majority of the big players are convinced that Independence is the only viable solution.
CASE CLOSED!
I don't think it should be wise to ignore the Russian.
And the fact is, no one is ignoring Russia. The Russian had they say and got what they wanted, by not putting the resolution forward to the Security Council. The West and America has given the last chance to the Serb to accept the independence off Kosova.
However, in the end a decision has to be make and the Russian are fully aware of this.
I really don't think the Russian will be fooled by the Serb government propaganda.
The relation between this two powers will not be in danger over Kosova.
I quote a Putin say "The Russians will not be more Serb than the Serb's themselves"..
And as for the option off dividing Kosova, that really is up to the Albanian's.. However, elf the Serbs get some sort off the autonomy on the North Mitrovice, what is going to happen to the 2/3 off Serb in Kosovo that do not live there?
This really show the attitude off the Government off Serbia in Belgrade. They out off touch with the reality and seem to be more concern on holding their political power in Belgrade than the people in Kosova.
To clarify further, for those that like to read between the lines;
Martti Ahtisaari’s solution demonstrates that there are "different options".
“Different options” means that there are several options, one of which is a partial implementation of Ahtisaari’s plan, without breaching international law.
Autonomy plus some elements of sovereignty. Acceptable to Serbia, the EU, Russia and all the countries uncomfortable with precedent setting illegal recognition, such as Spain, Indonesia, etc. A desirable option for progressive people more concerned about their children's future than political one-upmanship, particularly compared with the black hole of legal limbo.
lowe my boy don't be a hypocrite. Don't try to make believe that the economic well-being of 2 million K-Albanians is so much on your heart. Anyway I can assure you that the US alone (but I imagine that the EU would be generous too) could help Kosovo financially with few billion dollars. The US gives away many billions per year. As a result Kosovo could even bypass poor Serbia after a while.
Python said: "US is no longer in a position to decide on Kosovo."
Rade said: " If that’s another way of saying ‘independence is not negotiable’, then I’d better brush up on my English because actually I read it to mean that the US is considering ‘different options’!"
Prince lazar said: " The US has as much power in Serbia now as they do trying to convince the Israeli's to allow a palestinian state. How long have we listened to that mantra, and how many successive presidents keep repeating the same thing without really meaning it?"
What is mushrooming in Serbia, besides the wishful thinking? Oh yes, the immense love for the mother Russia which might turn to hate when Kosova will be an indipent state.
This Khalilzad was the same guy who declared quite recently about 10 exciting days in the UN ..... well, nothing exciting transpired except that the much touted UN resolution has been put on hold at the West's request.
Kosovo solution without Russia if necessary? More accurate to say "Kosovo solution without Russia AND UN if necessary" ..... Kosovo would become like Taiwan but MINUS the booming economy and the north. And consequently don't expect foreign investments to make a beeline for Kosovo.
Objectively then, the economic prospects of this de facto independence won't give Pristina any real economic benefits in the long term.
With or without you is not a good policy for Kosovo. In the end, if Kosovo wants to be a normal country in the U.N. it will need Russia. To dismiss Russia and to push for an imperfect solution will again make no one better off--especially in the long run.
As far as Ahtissari's plan being a middle of the road plan, it does have many good elements. The problem is that it was being pushed as a take it or leave it option rather than as a good starting point for negotiations.
The EU and the US tried to disregard Russian and Serbian reservations about the Ahtissari plan to the detriment of reaching a compromise.
The U.S. should listen to Ischinger since he's hit it right on the nail: if you want long term peace, both sides will have to reach a negotiated solution, and if that involves partition, so be it.
1.) i thought us was leaving un (and showing how isolated on that issue too they are) to negotiate with the russians a solution without russia??? ;-)
2.) the article was about the middle east, kosovo was just one question (and that too shows how important this question is for the us).
and
3.) it´s a building up on pressure over the albanians. the us says there hasen´t to bee indiependence, and eu´s message was quite more astonishing. ischinger asked if there is a position change, the albanians said no, and THEN he said: ok, then there will be no solution in 2007! after he was gone the talk started, that there won´t be a solution even in 2008!
"The situation in Kosovo poses a threat to regional and European security," Khalilzad pointed out.
This is for certain. Just look at all the millions of dollars, euros, worth of damage that has been done to date. There would never have been a situation such as this if these weren't allowed in to steal our land.
As the article points out, a resolution will need to come out as the US Ambassador, points out - allow Russia to use their veto power as the US did with the Israelis- only a dozen or so plus times.
Zalmay Khalilzad was US ambassador in Afhanistan and Iraq before comming to UN.He was so "succesfull" in those 2 countries,with declared "victories" over Talebans and insurgents in Iraq and he is now declaring "victory" over Russia in Kosovo case...pathetic!
The US has as much power in Serbia now as they do trying to convince the Israeli's to allow a palestinian state. How long have we listened to that mantra, and how many successive presidents keep repeating the same thing without really meaning it?
" "The situation in Kosovo poses a threat to regional and European security," Khalilzad pointed out."
No Serbia can handle its internal affairs very well. Not sure if Albanians plan terrorist attacks outside of Serbia, but that is not our concern. We don't respond to threats, and don't lose any sleep over fear of what the albanians may or may not do.
US is no longer in a position to decide on Kosovo. Their role is diminishing by the day. The issue is now firmly between EU, Russia and Serbia to resolve. After all this is a European issue and US should mind their own business elsewhere. By December this will be clear to all.
"Asked whether he considered the independence of Kosovo as a solution, Ambassador Khalilzad said UN envoy Martti Ahtisaari had proposed a middle-of-the-road solution, which, according to him, demonstrates that there are "different options"."
If that’s another way of saying ‘independence is not negotiable’, then I’d better brush up on my English because actually I read it to mean that the US is considering ‘different options’!
Sounds a lot like the Serbian proposal of 'autonomy with elements of sovereignty', with the Ahtisaari plan used as a basis for total decentralisation and devolution of power. The Kosovo Albanian leadership will be allowed to lead their supporters but never the Serbs.
The US knows that the only reason the Kosova Albanians agreed to wait for another 120 days was because the US asked them to.
At the end of these 120 there might be a month or two of preparations before Kosova declares its independence and is recognized by the US and most European countries.
This is not the first time the Europeans have been reluctant to take big decisions, but in the end they will have the usual choice of suporting the US or bowing to Russia, guess what they will chose!
The Serbian government should start preparing the people for the independence of Kosova unless they want the radicals to take over. On the other hand, maybe thats what the DSS wants.
I would like to criticise all International Community for being good right after Milosevic's time with "democratic" Serbia.
I beleive I have the right to criticise entire international community while every single "democrat" in Serbia does so.
If you (IC) would ask Serbia right after all wars to admit their crimes and move to the future now we woulnd't have this situation.
Zalmay Khalilzad was US ambassador in Afhanistan and Iraq before comming to UN.He was so "succesfull" in those 2 countries,with declared "victories" over Talebans and insurgents in Iraq and he is now declaring "victory" over Russia in Kosovo case...pathetic!
I would like to criticise all International Community for being good right after Milosevic's time with "democratic" Serbia.
I beleive I have the right to criticise entire international community while every single "democrat" in Serbia does so.
If you (IC) would ask Serbia right after all wars to admit their crimes and move to the future now we woulnd't have this situation.
The US knows that the only reason the Kosova Albanians agreed to wait for another 120 days was because the US asked them to.
At the end of these 120 there might be a month or two of preparations before Kosova declares its independence and is recognized by the US and most European countries.
This is not the first time the Europeans have been reluctant to take big decisions, but in the end they will have the usual choice of suporting the US or bowing to Russia, guess what they will chose!
The Serbian government should start preparing the people for the independence of Kosova unless they want the radicals to take over. On the other hand, maybe thats what the DSS wants.
The US has as much power in Serbia now as they do trying to convince the Israeli's to allow a palestinian state. How long have we listened to that mantra, and how many successive presidents keep repeating the same thing without really meaning it?
" "The situation in Kosovo poses a threat to regional and European security," Khalilzad pointed out."
No Serbia can handle its internal affairs very well. Not sure if Albanians plan terrorist attacks outside of Serbia, but that is not our concern. We don't respond to threats, and don't lose any sleep over fear of what the albanians may or may not do.
US is no longer in a position to decide on Kosovo. Their role is diminishing by the day. The issue is now firmly between EU, Russia and Serbia to resolve. After all this is a European issue and US should mind their own business elsewhere. By December this will be clear to all.
Joe please don't ever question my patriotism or my loyalty to this country. I told you plain enough already what I supported, and who I voted for some months back. You know it, and I don’t need to repeat it. Moreover, I find it increasingly unsettling that you feel the need to be some sort of self-appointed representative determining what an American is or should not be. If you are so infatuated with our current administration and its foreign policy, if you are so determined to show how America is the only country in the world that can save other nations from the apparent evils of Russia, China, etc, how about using the comment sections to make an educated argument? Believe me, I would be one of the first to support you on it. You seem to only react, and react defensively, in your comments. Why you are on this site other than to convey anti-Serb invective is beyond me, but if this is a way to make you personally feel better, then fine. I have received kudos from both moderate Serbs and Albanians on this site for the views in my comments and the attempt at truly finding a way forward between the two embattled peoples. As someone who supported our efforts in Iraq, and who wanted all those Euroskeptics to eat crow, I would love to hear a sound solution from you as well beyond the simple and worn out “America is the greatest country in the world,” Empirical statements are needed here, not normative catchphrases.
The fundamental thing that separates you and me is that I feel it appropriate, even necessary to question government, and the representatives that lead it. You claim to be the defender of American values, so I going to assume you are well familiar that questioning government is a cornerstone of American thinking, codified by Jefferson, Madison, Tocqueville, Lincoln, and Truman. Yet you constantly seem to throw blind faith and unquestioning loyalty to Washington in ways that would make Milošević, Chavez, Ahmadinejad, and Putin happy - the very people you claim to despise. In fact, if you were living in any of those countries, you would probably be one of their biggest supporters. Your claim as a patriotic American is to believe that we are not only the best country in the world, but the only country that matters. You claim to be a patriotic American but you make enemies even out of moderates on this site, failing even to differentiate them from the nationalists. You constantly resort to stereotypical comments about Serbs, Russians, and anyone else that you feel are collective enemies of America. You constantly castigate anyone with a slightly divergent view of the United States. You tell people to go back to where they come from (which I find ironic since you were born outside this country), or barring that, to go to Venezuela or Russia, your dictatorships of choice. If this is the only thing you can resort to when challenged on an idea or an argument, you have no frame of reference to base your claims. To me, this sounds like someone who greatly fears the way the world is turning and constantly needs to think America is still this unipolar hegemon that the world fears and needs. Unless you are living in Dick Cheney's basement with a TV and an internet that only gets government-sponsored media, you would know that this administration in particular has hardly any credibility both at home and in the world abroad. Do you think I somehow like this? Do you somehow think I'm one of those people Hannity and Coulter warned you about that are secretly plotting to ruin America from within? Your comments have the mentality of a paranoid SPS supporter, lashing out at everything and anything smacking of treason and the need for constant vigilance against threats to our national security. McCarthy would be proud of you.
You see the world as this epic battle between good and evil with little to no gray area in between. The truth is, you need Russia to be the enemy. You need Serbia to be nationalistic. You need the Albanians to be helpless without the U.S. You need Europe to be weak and dependent on America in order to affirm what you believe is still the Cold War going on. In reality, you fail to see the multipolarity of the world, the addition of new powers and new forces in the world that don't so much counter American interests as they question and challenge them, seeking clarity and validation. You need to constantly believe that you are living in the most powerful country in the world. I wonder what your thoughts are on our abysmal handling of Katrina? Of declining educational standards across the country? Of scandal after scandal of this administration? Of our refusal to change strategies on the war efforts in Iraq? Of our treatment of prisoners at Guantanamo Bay? If you’re that supportive of this government, please address these. I supported our president. I supported our war efforts. I supported our reconstruction efforts in Iraq. After enough screw-ups and blatant disregard for the rule of law (unwarranted wire-taps, Constitutional abuse, legislative strong-arming, even environmental degradation), I can no longer find myself able to honestly support this administration. If you can tell me how you still can, I’d love to hear it.
Joe, you need to differentiate between people that are clearly anti-American and those who are critical of our government and its actions over the past years. Both are not interdependent. You need to stop looking for enemies where they don’t exist. You need to realize America is no longer the unquestioned superpower in the world. You also need to realize that America is still the greatest place in the world to live, and those who love it, often question its policies. I take no pleasure in writing any of this. It doesn’t really matter whether you agree with me or not. It also doesn’t matter whether you ignore my reply or simply tell me to go to Russia for lack of a better comeback. Nothing is going to change your mind. The only consolation I can possibly think of is that based solely on what I read in your reactionary comments, you represent a rapidly shrinking percentage of thinkers in this country that are ignoring and overlooking whatever they can, and lashing out at whatever they can’t.
To the USA: first, you have to destroy the UN SC, the UN Charter, then Res 1244, then The Contact Group Guiding Principles (by the way signed by Washington)...., and only after that you may try to proclaim Kosovo "independence". Do you believe that smb will give you such a chance? Never!
These kind of threats from the americans won't work because the Russians and Serbs are holding all the cards. So what if the americans unilaterally recognize a greater albania? It will be an illegal state like north cyprus, and the Serbs will still control the north which holds most of the mineral wealth. In addition, Republika Srpska will declare independence immediately and be recognized by Russia in retaliation, and Russia will recognize many other areas of the former soviet union, this will be their perfect excuse to do it. So go ahead america, do it. I dare you. Serbs and Russians are in a win-win situation here, and your threats are completely toothless.
The title of this story reminds me of the U2 song "With or Without You".Is it not funny that the US relies on China to fund our budget deficit due to our overspending and overconsumption?Do you all think maybe that is the reason we have not recognized Taiwan?It is too bad the Serbs do not have money to lend us so we can be their debtors-LOL
Looking at this matter from the perspective of a patriotic American politician;
1. Securing energy supply for the States is at the top of my agenda.
2. A resurgent Russia is placing a stranglehold on energy supply from countries in its sphere of influence.
3. There is no military option to securing a share, so I want to keep the Russians on side, without kow-towing.
4. Europe is uncomfortable with the thought of unilateral declarations because of its own separatists, and because it depends directly on Russia for energy, supplies of which didn’t stop, even at the height of the Cold War. So I want to keep Europe happy and in my country’s sphere of influence.
5. Other major countries, such as China, India, Brazil and Indonesia are watching carefully. I don’t want China to retaliate with a trade war. I don’t want India to turn back to Russia. I don’t want South America to support Chavez. I don’t want a hostile Indonesia causing problems in South East Asia.
6. Serbia is becoming more reasonable with its offer of autonomy plus. I don’t want them to fall into Russia’s sphere of influence.
7. Serbia’s politicians are unlikely to respond to the stick but will compromise given the carrot of retaining sovereignty and accelerated membership in the EU.
8. I sympathise with the Albanians but the game has changed. Radical Islamic elements no longer view the Albanians as 'true Muslims',so they will not see the States as supporting a Muslim country's struggle for freedom. They have nothing to offer by way of compensation for all the problems supporting their independence would cause. They are not a significant voting bloc in the States and their lobby doesn’t have the sort of money needed for the States to ‘go it alone’.
9. Kosovo Albanian politicians are easily compromised and can be pressured to accept a negotiated settlement, or removed. I decide to tell Ceku that he has ‘decided to resign’ and warn the others not to turn themselves into my country’s enemy. I offer them the carrot of financial aid and sponsorship.
My solution is to push Serbia to the limit on concessions, have Europe take the lead on forging a compromise, making the Russians happy and avoiding any number of potential crises worldwide. I reluctantly accept the result.
We all know he was bribed with 40mill. How is that middle of the road. The Albanians get 15% of Serbian land and the Serbs get some so called rights under an islamic umbrella. We didn't want that durring the Ottomen rule and don't want it now. Thats why Serbs are sill mostly Christan.
It is a sad realization for me, but I no longer take seriously anything said by my present government or any of its appointed representatives. As the Bush Administration is imploding by the day, and as they lose a further grip on reality in Iraq, they tend to say the exact opposite of what they know is true. Kosovo can no more become independent without Russian input, than Iraq can become stable without Saudi and Iranian cooperation. I also find it interesting how the so-called US-European coaltion on Kosovo seems to be saying two opposite things every other day. Yesterday it was reported Ischinger said there would be no Kosovo solution this year - even to the point of waiting for the next Russian election, and today, Khalizad says a solution should be pushed forward one way or another, with or without Russia. I think this was more of a salving slogan for the Albanians who were probably miffed again at being put on the back burner. While I agree that something should be done soon, and that the Albanians need to be thrown into the drivers seat for a change, small little article tidbits like these only serve to animate the less informed readers into making absolutist statements on both sides of the debate.
"The situation in Kosovo poses a threat to regional and European security," Khalilzad pointed out.
This is for certain. Just look at all the millions of dollars, euros, worth of damage that has been done to date. There would never have been a situation such as this if these weren't allowed in to steal our land.
As the article points out, a resolution will need to come out as the US Ambassador, points out - allow Russia to use their veto power as the US did with the Israelis- only a dozen or so plus times.
With or without you is not a good policy for Kosovo. In the end, if Kosovo wants to be a normal country in the U.N. it will need Russia. To dismiss Russia and to push for an imperfect solution will again make no one better off--especially in the long run.
As far as Ahtissari's plan being a middle of the road plan, it does have many good elements. The problem is that it was being pushed as a take it or leave it option rather than as a good starting point for negotiations.
The EU and the US tried to disregard Russian and Serbian reservations about the Ahtissari plan to the detriment of reaching a compromise.
The U.S. should listen to Ischinger since he's hit it right on the nail: if you want long term peace, both sides will have to reach a negotiated solution, and if that involves partition, so be it.
This Khalilzad was the same guy who declared quite recently about 10 exciting days in the UN ..... well, nothing exciting transpired except that the much touted UN resolution has been put on hold at the West's request.
Kosovo solution without Russia if necessary? More accurate to say "Kosovo solution without Russia AND UN if necessary" ..... Kosovo would become like Taiwan but MINUS the booming economy and the north. And consequently don't expect foreign investments to make a beeline for Kosovo.
Objectively then, the economic prospects of this de facto independence won't give Pristina any real economic benefits in the long term.
1.) i thought us was leaving un (and showing how isolated on that issue too they are) to negotiate with the russians a solution without russia??? ;-)
2.) the article was about the middle east, kosovo was just one question (and that too shows how important this question is for the us).
and
3.) it´s a building up on pressure over the albanians. the us says there hasen´t to bee indiependence, and eu´s message was quite more astonishing. ischinger asked if there is a position change, the albanians said no, and THEN he said: ok, then there will be no solution in 2007! after he was gone the talk started, that there won´t be a solution even in 2008!
To clarify further, for those that like to read between the lines;
Martti Ahtisaari’s solution demonstrates that there are "different options".
“Different options” means that there are several options, one of which is a partial implementation of Ahtisaari’s plan, without breaching international law.
Autonomy plus some elements of sovereignty. Acceptable to Serbia, the EU, Russia and all the countries uncomfortable with precedent setting illegal recognition, such as Spain, Indonesia, etc. A desirable option for progressive people more concerned about their children's future than political one-upmanship, particularly compared with the black hole of legal limbo.
tell the u s to give back texis new mixico give independance to miami to cuba but that is strange? but that is the usa you cant do that. but they can do it to serbia
"Asked whether he considered the independence of Kosovo as a solution, Ambassador Khalilzad said UN envoy Martti Ahtisaari had proposed a middle-of-the-road solution, which, according to him, demonstrates that there are "different options"."
If that’s another way of saying ‘independence is not negotiable’, then I’d better brush up on my English because actually I read it to mean that the US is considering ‘different options’!
Sounds a lot like the Serbian proposal of 'autonomy with elements of sovereignty', with the Ahtisaari plan used as a basis for total decentralisation and devolution of power. The Kosovo Albanian leadership will be allowed to lead their supporters but never the Serbs.
I don't think it should be wise to ignore the Russian.
And the fact is, no one is ignoring Russia. The Russian had they say and got what they wanted, by not putting the resolution forward to the Security Council. The West and America has given the last chance to the Serb to accept the independence off Kosova.
However, in the end a decision has to be make and the Russian are fully aware of this.
I really don't think the Russian will be fooled by the Serb government propaganda.
The relation between this two powers will not be in danger over Kosova.
I quote a Putin say "The Russians will not be more Serb than the Serb's themselves"..
And as for the option off dividing Kosova, that really is up to the Albanian's.. However, elf the Serbs get some sort off the autonomy on the North Mitrovice, what is going to happen to the 2/3 off Serb in Kosovo that do not live there?
This really show the attitude off the Government off Serbia in Belgrade. They out off touch with the reality and seem to be more concern on holding their political power in Belgrade than the people in Kosova.
Rade,
It seems you have the typical Serb blind spot when it comes to Kosova. (The spelling I use for Kosova is that used by the overwhelming majority of its citizens. No one but Serbs know what Metohija is!)
Unfortunately for the Serbs, it is time to move on the issue of Status for Kosova. No more stalling. It is clear that the majority of the big players are convinced that Independence is the only viable solution.
CASE CLOSED!
Rade, no matter how you read beetwen the lines I can tell you oe thing and you can take it to the bank; " serbian BOOT will never come back to KosovA and they will never be able to rule ever agin", if this makes you happy you can call it wide autonomy or what ever you feel like.
"Case closed"? Wow, you must be one of those rare lawyers that gives out free legal advice.
If only you were around when NATO was drawing up Resolution 1244. Or at least at the UNSC vote to tell them Russia can’t veto because the case is closed.
It’s not too late though. You can tell the Troika to call off the talks. You've closed this case.
Luciano, it seems that all Mr. Khalizad needs to know he learned from Randy Newman's "Political Science".
On a second thought, we have corporate sponsorship in international sports withsponsor logos plastered all over the place. Perhaps it is high time to introduce the same in international politics as well. I can easilly visualize Mr. Khalizad emblazoned with Unocal logo. That way, corporate sponsors will at least get some advertisement for their cash, since Mr. Khalizad brings no victories.
Today is a great day on this site. Very entertaining. In one article one can read about the funny "show" of Vuk. In this one a lot of posturing and grand standing from the likes of Dragan using those propaganda buzz words like "holding all the cards", "it is a win win situation", etc. Poor Milosevic, if he could read all these Dragans he would be happy. But one can ask logically that if it is really so as they pretend than why do they waste their time here day in day out? If they are so sure of their win win situation why are they not going fishing or looking for fun? Why do they try to convince themself? Well everybody knows the answer.
American aka albanian
"It's the US goal to establish an independent Kosova. We couldn't control such an unstable country like serbia. Albanians have proven to the US that they are one of our biggest allies, from Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. I do mean Albanians as in from Kosova, Albania, Macedonia, and others.
Why would we give serbs visas when they denounces us on their media (live and newspapers) how they hate us and such?"
First of few things about your post clearly give away the fact you are albanian. Like spelling Serbia with a lower case S and albania with a capital one.
Here is the truth American.
Kosovo will never be independent because EU will not unite without a UN mandate. US may talk big but this is a project that Russia has quite successfully halted in its tracks. Most important thing is that US does not wish to give Russia a reason to occupy Georgia. For which they are waiting on another US briliant unilateral move.
America has become a joke. It cant fund its own projects, its in 2 failed wars with 3 or 4 more Nations at a brink of war with the US. US economy is crumbling and its rather amuzing to watch the stock market collapse.
The government constantly holds its citizens hostage to either terror alerts or some kind of threats.
Its only a matter of time b4 US falls apart the way of the USSR. I would give it 10-15 years. Once oil becomes a much more coveted commodity.
"I can tell you oe thing and you can take it to the bank; " serbian BOOT will never come back to KosovA and they will never be able to rule ever agin", (ahmet isufi, 27. August 2007 17:33)
Ahmed, the world has seen how serbia has democratized and reformed, UNLIKE, kosovo. 1244, is being visited right now, to allow for 2000 serbian BOOTS (1000 X 2). This is just a symbol however for the FULL reintigration in the future, whether it is 100 or 500 years from now. My children will be taught to never forget who they are and their history. Plus we have the title to the land so you are not in a position to guarantee anything.
"lowe my boy don't be a hypocrite. Don't try to make believe that the economic well-being of 2 million K-Albanians is so much on your heart. Anyway I can assure you that the US alone (but I imagine that the EU would be generous too) could help Kosovo financially with few billion dollars. The US gives away many billions per year. As a result Kosovo could even bypass poor Serbia after a while.
(Joe, 27. August 2007 15:28) "
Joe
I am not being hypocritical but being REALISTIC. The economic facts are there whether you are willing to face them or not. And YOU are being naive if you choose to be the proverbial ostrich with its head in the sand to economic realities.
When did I claim to be have the well being of Albanians or Serbs or Croats or, for that matter, Africans or Eskimos close to my heart? So don't accuse me of "pretending" just because I highlighted the unpleasant but undeniable economic facts to you.
So from your analogy, does this mean Kosovo would be content to be a US-EU ward indefinitely? Always dependent on handouts? And are you so sure these countries will be willing to bail you out economically forever, given that the West is currently having its own economic problems?
What makes you think the US is a bottomless financial well, able to dish out billions of dollars here and there on a whim? In case you don't know, it has the BIGGEST balance of payments deficit in the entire world, not to mention the bankruptcies and foreclosures in its own backyard at the moment from its sub-prime mortgage fiasco. Not to forget its military (AND FINANCIAL) quagmire in Iraq and Afghanistan. So if I were you I wouldn't be so sure about the billions and billions that you predict will come automatically from your now-no-longer-so-rich sugar daddies in the West.
In any case, how TRULY independent will Kosovo be if it have to always rely on others for economic bailouts???? You may call this independence, I would certainly beg to differ.
lowe my boy don't be a hypocrite. Don't try to make believe that the economic well-being of 2 million K-Albanians is so much on your heart. Anyway I can assure you that the US alone (but I imagine that the EU would be generous too) could help Kosovo financially with few billion dollars. The US gives away many billions per year. As a result Kosovo could even bypass poor Serbia after a while.
"We are getting tired of this Anti-American hate speech coming from countries such as iraq and serbia, it's really annoying. Politics isn't fair and it never will. America makes threats and America will keep their promise."
written by an Albanian who rather choses to call himself "American"
boy, what is the reason for this cheap masquerade? what do you want to achieve with that?
no single American would write the serbian province with an a at the end... and to be honest... trying to create some virtual "understanding" by some alleged "American" is only ridiculous.
that´s just the kind of lousy comments I have meant when I asked the B92-"journalists" to bring REAL info instead of stupid chit chat that is only good to provoke selfproclaimed experts who actually really seem to believe to be in the position to quot Mr.Putin and being capable of interpreting his words.
To all,
Zalmay Khalidzad was an Ambassador of US in Afganistan, then briefly in Iraq, now he represents US ar UN.
Before all this he was with RAND Corporation. Maybe some of you know that or not.
He is considered one of the smartest people alive.
He is an Afgani by heritage but they say his IQ is one of the highest in the world.
He knows what he's talkin about.
(lazer, 28. August 2007 14:25)
To lazer - Hitler's IQ was 145 (Genus) - so, what's your point?
Python said: "US is no longer in a position to decide on Kosovo."
Rade said: " If that’s another way of saying ‘independence is not negotiable’, then I’d better brush up on my English because actually I read it to mean that the US is considering ‘different options’!"
Prince lazar said: " The US has as much power in Serbia now as they do trying to convince the Israeli's to allow a palestinian state. How long have we listened to that mantra, and how many successive presidents keep repeating the same thing without really meaning it?"
What is mushrooming in Serbia, besides the wishful thinking? Oh yes, the immense love for the mother Russia which might turn to hate when Kosova will be an indipent state.
If your interpretation of the Marty Ahtisary plan is offered by Sebia, EU and Russia, then why Serbia did not accept the plan.
USA and major countries of EU are sick or Serbian misinterpretations and false promises.
Serbia tried to revoke the basic rights in 1991 and expel all the Albanians from Kosova. There are documented plans by Serbian officials that were in charge at that time. The confidence of the Albanian population has run out, and that is why the only solution that Albanians will accept is the Independence and nothing short of that.
If Serbia were not that greedy to control all the Yugoslavia and occupy more land, than we would not be here today. We would still have Yugoslavia, probably already an EU member with better economic situation.
Serbia, is recognised by International Community as the cause and the initiator of all the troubles in former Yugoslavia, but it has failed to punish it accordingly.
On the other hand it is giving you free ticket to EU (carrot without a stick I am afraid).
Kosova is going to be independent, weather you like it or not. It is unfortunate that Serbia does not realise, that it is going to loose more by these stubborn attitudes on something that is a done deal.
Serbia went to war with NATO because it was reluctant to agree in Rambuje something similar to UN resolution 1244. But now it is using UN resolution 1244 as a bible.
Now, is it fighting against Marty Ahtisary plan, but not realising that later it is going to use Marty’s plan as a bible, but unfortunately it is going to be to late.
It is in the best interest of every democratic citizens of Serbia (citizens with common sense), that the future it is in EU. If you think you want closer relations with Russia (than EU), then probably you should ask Russia to make you some room there and migrate there. And we all leave happy after.
the US are running out of arguments...as it seems.
one is only threatening with unilateral steps if he has no other opportunities! just as those albanian teenage-criminals who can´t stand the proof of many centuries of serbian culture and identity of Kosovo, and therefore burning it down...
boys, the US would damage themselves if they did that! I would rather say they try to calm you down until it is cold outside in order to prevent any outbreak before winter.
you will calm down easier when you´re freezing like ice...
so, the US can win additional time and you have something to boast about...
in the end you´ll be realizing that you´ve been duped. and I will remember you of my words...
Why Serbia did not accept Res. 1244 in Rambuje? Was it because Serbian politicians were short sighted and did not take the US threat for real?
Serbian politicians have destroyed the lives of many innocent people (even Serbians), because they did not have the courage to accept the truth that they failed to choose the right path, a path that is not supporting the war, killing and raping innocent people.
Serbians politicians are not accepting for real the US and EU recommendation that Kosovan Independence is the only solution. Later on, Serbians will be very surprised that they will not have any support for other problems that can occur in Serbia (other unresolved situations).
Serbia cannot pretend an innocent member of former Yugoslavia, when the west knew that Serbia had a control of the army. And Serbian politicians failed to direct the army to protect the citizens (as it’s main “motto” as we used to know). Serbian politicians misused the force and directed the army for a wrong cause, and that is why some of them are in Hague.
Yet again, Serbian politicians are failing to understand that UN (as far as I know Marty Ahtisary it’s a UN representative) is recommending the Independence. That is the UN (representing the whole world) is recommending the Independence. Only Serbia, and Russia for it’s personal gains is objecting that.
Many countries did not accept Israel as well, but as we know it today it is one of the most influential countries in the world.
It will happen the same with Kosova as well. Albanians are all over the world, and that is thanks to Serbian politicians who created unnecessary enemies, by destroying their lives and forcing them out of Kosova.
Serbia has a good chance now to amend that stance, but you will have to have a courage to accept the truth of all the wrong doing you did and apologise to all the nations in the former Yugoslavia.
Japan and Germany did apologise about the WII and see were they are now.
Kosovars will build their future with or without the neighbouring Serbia, but they will not forget the past.
More huffing and puffing, shouting and tantrum throwing.. BIG DEAL! In the END, all the Albanians will get is a disaffected (and more extremist) population, an entrenched criminal mafia (i.e drugs, human trafficking, weapons smuggling), and plenty of poverty and backwardness to last SEVERAL generations
Everything else is just huffing and puffing. You may say what you want but it won't change a thing!
Ratko,
I don't know if American is on site right now. So it is a pleasure for me to answer for him since I am also an American.
The US is in Kosovo/a in a great humanitarian mission defending the once long terrorized and oppressed K-Albanians against those Serb oppressors, who with Kalashnikov Kostunica in lead did not change at all since the nineties. So America is playing the good shepherd.
Answer to your second question is also very simple. Even none Americans can figure it out. Any country committing atrocities like Serbia did or threatening other countries security can be a legitimate target. The US as the only super power has this obligation versus smaller countries. Those times are gone when some bad wolves could run freely and commit barbaric crimes.
We are getting tired of this Anti-American hate speech coming from countries such as iraq and serbia, it's really annoying. Politics isn't fair and it never will. America makes threats and America will keep their promise. I dare the SCO to touch one American citizen or drop a bomb near any American-base or american soil.
You will see why us Americans shout "we're number 1" proudly.
(American, 27. August 2007 19:27)
To "American" -
To be proud of your citizenship is one thing, to state that ALL Americans are sick & tired of the malarchy that is being spread by Iraq & Serbia is complete rubbish.
All of your bloody tax dollars are fueling (no pun intended) the young children of America that being killed in the middle east. Additionally, what about your Katrina victims? What are you doing for them & what makes you think that anyone will believe anything your embarassment of a president states as being "gospel".
We valued the relationship of the US until Clinton made the grave error of using NATO to bomb Serbia. You say you were looking for Milosevic, but with all of the technology of the (then) 20th century, how could a plane make a grave error & bomb a hospital, hotel & other areas that contain non-threatening persons?
Guess the missle that hit a UK base was a "mistake" too that should be excused?
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/skynews/20070822/twl-us-helicopter-crash-in-iraq-kills-14-3fd0ae9_2.html
So, when your president makes you proud & is able to keep your Social Security pension secured for your ripe retirement age as well as tend to the citizens of your great country, then & only then will we give you the opportunity to speak on/against Serbia.
Ahtisaari and his mates can paint the picture, blue, black, red, green, whichever colour comes to mind, however the clear picture is that Kosovo and Metohija is legal sovereign territory of Serbia.
Therefore if the Russians are left out, we are entering a new phase in world politics.
We are entering into new laws, erh. pardon, I mean to say illegal laws and an illegal world.
What a bloody mess, Mr. Ahtisaari.
Everyone should be focusing on "AUTONOMY".
We have a legal argument here.
You say you dare Serbia to drop one single bomb on American soil in Kosovo? Hey mister you should know America has NO soil in Kosovo, they are nothing more then a peace keeping visitor in Kosovo! By all legal rights they can by law be asked to leave! Failure to do so would then make them an occupier like in Iraq and we all know how people around the world like to be occupied by America!Kosovo is another battle America has lost! They lost it back in May of this year just like they lost Afghanistan and Iraq... Sorry to burst your bubble Mr. Cowboy.
"...america is the only country in the world who makes threats like this!"
Well at least unlike Russia they don't threaten countries by aiming their missiles at them. I heard a certain fellow named Putin making that threat to a certain continent called Europe.
Victor K, the US doesn't have to destroy anything,since all of those institutions you mention live from US money.
1. Securing energy supply for the States is at the top of my agenda
- It's nice that none of those resources come from Russia. For strategic reasons, it's a good idea not to rely on them for this country's "life blood."
2. A resurgent Russia is placing a stranglehold on energy supply from countries in its sphere of influence
- Not quite.
Russian econonomy's breadwinner is energy. It relies on Western companies to provide the advance technologies to extract/transport oil and natural gas. Russia is a minor player in just about every other field.
As such, it can only restrict supply so much without shooting itself in the foot. It has already made other countries look for alternatives (as they already are in the EU) not just in energy, but in other supply routes as well.
3. There is no military option to securing a share, so I want to keep the Russians on side, without kow-towing.
- Russia still holds nuclear weapons, so militarily speaking, it's a no-win. However, please read (1).
4. Europe is uncomfortable with the thought of unilateral declarations because of its own separatists, and because it depends directly on Russia for energy, supplies of which didn’t stop, even at the height of the Cold War. So I want to keep Europe happy and in my country’s sphere of influence.
- So far Russia has only played hardball with the EU with regard to its NATO expansion ambitions, which it sees as a threat to Russian national security. It's very unlikely that Russia will endanger billions of dollars worth of business with the EU for a province like Kosovo. Despite all the rhetoric, it's simply not that important a region for them.
I'll give you that there is dissent between several EU members about Kosovo.... Portugal, Greece, and Slovakia seem to be against the notion of independence. But you also should remember that the EU needs an example where it is seen to have an effective foreign policy, especially after the fiaskos of Bosnia and Iraq.
5. Other major countries, such as China, India, Brazil and Indonesia are watching carefully. I don’t want China to retaliate with a trade war. I don’t want India to turn back to Russia. I don’t want South America to support Chavez. I don’t want a hostile Indonesia causing problems in South East Asia.
- India is in the U.S-s pocket for business and strategic reasons. In case you missed the latest news, the U.S. and India just signed a nuclear agreement between each other. Let's not get started with the IT industry and the massive Indian diaspora in the States. I doubt India knows or cares about Kosovo.
- South America already despises Chavez, especially Brazil and Argentina, the heavy hitters of L. America. Bolivia, Cuba and Russia are his only friends really.
- China will get into a trade war with the States over Kosovo? Let's not kid ourselves.
6. Serbia is becoming more reasonable with its offer of autonomy plus. I don’t want them to fall into Russia’s sphere of influence.
- Serbia is already under Russian sphere of influence and as for "being reasonable", well, only the Serbs and the Russians seem to think so.
7. Serbia’s politicians are unlikely to respond to the stick but will compromise given the carrot of retaining sovereignty and accelerated membership in the EU.
- If you say so.
8. I sympathise with the Albanians but the game has changed. Radical Islamic elements no longer view the Albanians as 'true Muslims',so they will not see the States as supporting a Muslim country's struggle for freedom. They have nothing to offer by way of compensation for all the problems supporting their independence would cause. They are not a significant voting bloc in the States and their lobby doesn’t have the sort of money needed for the States to ‘go it alone’.
- Serb propaganda is trying its best to depict Albanians as "fundamentalist muslims" who would be the gateway to creating a European caliphate along with Bosnia. I thought this particular comment was kind of funny actually in the sense that it was an implicit acknowledgement that this whole effort was just a low, smear campaign.
The American politician might view this as follows:
- On the other hand, the Russians are pushing their luck too far. Maybe Putin needs to be taught a lesson. Kosovo might be a good place to prove a point.
9. Kosovo Albanian politicians are easily compromised and can be pressured to accept a negotiated settlement, or removed. I decide to tell Ceku that he has ‘decided to resign’ and warn the others not to turn themselves into my country’s enemy. I offer them the carrot of financial aid and sponsorship.
- That's probably wishful thinking. My guess is the only thing you might get the Kosovo Albanians to compromise on, is to possibly let Northern Kosovo go.
My solution is to push Serbia to the limit on concessions, have Europe take the lead on forging a compromise, making the Russians happy and avoiding any number of potential crises worldwide. I reluctantly accept the result.
- I don't doubt some politicians think so.
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In the end, neither you or I can read minds and this is just speculation :).
Ya sure.. I would like to see the usa go with out Russia!
america is the only country in the world who makes threats like this!
(Ratko, 27. August 2007 14:41)
We are getting tired of this Anti-American hate speech coming from countries such as iraq and serbia, it's really annoying. Politics isn't fair and it never will. America makes threats and America will keep their promise. I dare the SCO to touch one American citizen or drop a bomb near any American-base or american soil.
You will see why us Americans shout "we're number 1" proudly.
It is great to read your posting, the posting of a true American, who loves his country and is proud of it. Until now one could just read the comments of 3 pseudo-Americans of Serbian descent, who seem to be a security risk to our country.
No I wasn't on this site when someone replied. I see that someone took the liberty to represent me, it's okay.
America has 302 million people right now, that means nor I Mike, Jake, Josh or whom ever it may be do NOT represent all those people. Our views our mainly our own.
I merely spoke out because I do care about news and current events and I do visit this website. Seriously, enough with this Anti-America thing, it is really annoying.
I'm not going to take sides. I do honestly believe that Kosova or kosovo (whatever you wish) will gain independence. My country will support an independent Kosova and just because some democratic candidate will become next president the overall mission in Balkans won't finish until Kosova becomes self-ruled.
It's the US goal to establish an independent Kosova. We couldn't control such an unstable country like serbia. Albanians have proven to the US that they are one of our biggest allies, from Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. I do mean Albanians as in from Kosova, Albania, Macedonia, and others.
Why would we give serbs visas when they denounces us on their media (live and newspapers) how they hate us and such?
Mike,
I am just wondering if you were ever satisfied with any of the US administrations in your life. You seem to be one of the those few, who's heart was always in Russia or Serbia. I continue to encourage people like you to emigrate to those "democratic" countries.
Its only a matter of time b4 US falls apart the way of the USSR. I would give it 10-15 years. Once oil becomes a much more coveted commodity.
(Cvele, 28. August 2007 00:38)
I am sorry that I wrote serbia instead of Serbia. The reason may be that the comment box is about an inch wide and also the spell checker here beyond sucks.
When I said "anti-american" I meant your post. You give it 10 to 15 years before America collapses? America has lasted some of the greatest tests of history, do you really think this one is worse than Vietnam, Korean War, Cold War, etc etc?? You must be kidding me, answer me this; do you find yourself constantly saying "kosovo is always serbian?"
To all,
Zalmay Khalidzad was an Ambassador of US in Afganistan, then briefly in Iraq, now he represents US ar UN.
Before all this he was with RAND Corporation. Maybe some of you know that or not.
He is considered one of the smartest people alive.
He is an Afgani by heritage but they say his IQ is one of the highest in the world.
He knows what he's talkin about.
To the USA: first, you have to destroy the UN SC, the UN Charter, then Res 1244, then The Contact Group Guiding Principles (by the way signed by Washington)...., and only after that you may try to proclaim Kosovo "independence". Do you believe that smb will give you such a chance? Never!
I would like to criticise all International Community for being good right after Milosevic's time with "democratic" Serbia.
I beleive I have the right to criticise entire international community while every single "democrat" in Serbia does so.
If you (IC) would ask Serbia right after all wars to admit their crimes and move to the future now we woulnd't have this situation.
The US knows that the only reason the Kosova Albanians agreed to wait for another 120 days was because the US asked them to.
At the end of these 120 there might be a month or two of preparations before Kosova declares its independence and is recognized by the US and most European countries.
This is not the first time the Europeans have been reluctant to take big decisions, but in the end they will have the usual choice of suporting the US or bowing to Russia, guess what they will chose!
The Serbian government should start preparing the people for the independence of Kosova unless they want the radicals to take over. On the other hand, maybe thats what the DSS wants.
lowe my boy don't be a hypocrite. Don't try to make believe that the economic well-being of 2 million K-Albanians is so much on your heart. Anyway I can assure you that the US alone (but I imagine that the EU would be generous too) could help Kosovo financially with few billion dollars. The US gives away many billions per year. As a result Kosovo could even bypass poor Serbia after a while.
Why Serbia did not accept Res. 1244 in Rambuje? Was it because Serbian politicians were short sighted and did not take the US threat for real?
Serbian politicians have destroyed the lives of many innocent people (even Serbians), because they did not have the courage to accept the truth that they failed to choose the right path, a path that is not supporting the war, killing and raping innocent people.
Serbians politicians are not accepting for real the US and EU recommendation that Kosovan Independence is the only solution. Later on, Serbians will be very surprised that they will not have any support for other problems that can occur in Serbia (other unresolved situations).
Serbia cannot pretend an innocent member of former Yugoslavia, when the west knew that Serbia had a control of the army. And Serbian politicians failed to direct the army to protect the citizens (as it’s main “motto” as we used to know). Serbian politicians misused the force and directed the army for a wrong cause, and that is why some of them are in Hague.
Yet again, Serbian politicians are failing to understand that UN (as far as I know Marty Ahtisary it’s a UN representative) is recommending the Independence. That is the UN (representing the whole world) is recommending the Independence. Only Serbia, and Russia for it’s personal gains is objecting that.
Many countries did not accept Israel as well, but as we know it today it is one of the most influential countries in the world.
It will happen the same with Kosova as well. Albanians are all over the world, and that is thanks to Serbian politicians who created unnecessary enemies, by destroying their lives and forcing them out of Kosova.
Serbia has a good chance now to amend that stance, but you will have to have a courage to accept the truth of all the wrong doing you did and apologise to all the nations in the former Yugoslavia.
Japan and Germany did apologise about the WII and see were they are now.
Kosovars will build their future with or without the neighbouring Serbia, but they will not forget the past.
Ya sure.. I would like to see the usa go with out Russia!
america is the only country in the world who makes threats like this!
(Ratko, 27. August 2007 14:41)
We are getting tired of this Anti-American hate speech coming from countries such as iraq and serbia, it's really annoying. Politics isn't fair and it never will. America makes threats and America will keep their promise. I dare the SCO to touch one American citizen or drop a bomb near any American-base or american soil.
You will see why us Americans shout "we're number 1" proudly.
US is no longer in a position to decide on Kosovo. Their role is diminishing by the day. The issue is now firmly between EU, Russia and Serbia to resolve. After all this is a European issue and US should mind their own business elsewhere. By December this will be clear to all.
Rade,
It seems you have the typical Serb blind spot when it comes to Kosova. (The spelling I use for Kosova is that used by the overwhelming majority of its citizens. No one but Serbs know what Metohija is!)
Unfortunately for the Serbs, it is time to move on the issue of Status for Kosova. No more stalling. It is clear that the majority of the big players are convinced that Independence is the only viable solution.
CASE CLOSED!
If your interpretation of the Marty Ahtisary plan is offered by Sebia, EU and Russia, then why Serbia did not accept the plan.
USA and major countries of EU are sick or Serbian misinterpretations and false promises.
Serbia tried to revoke the basic rights in 1991 and expel all the Albanians from Kosova. There are documented plans by Serbian officials that were in charge at that time. The confidence of the Albanian population has run out, and that is why the only solution that Albanians will accept is the Independence and nothing short of that.
If Serbia were not that greedy to control all the Yugoslavia and occupy more land, than we would not be here today. We would still have Yugoslavia, probably already an EU member with better economic situation.
Serbia, is recognised by International Community as the cause and the initiator of all the troubles in former Yugoslavia, but it has failed to punish it accordingly.
On the other hand it is giving you free ticket to EU (carrot without a stick I am afraid).
Kosova is going to be independent, weather you like it or not. It is unfortunate that Serbia does not realise, that it is going to loose more by these stubborn attitudes on something that is a done deal.
Serbia went to war with NATO because it was reluctant to agree in Rambuje something similar to UN resolution 1244. But now it is using UN resolution 1244 as a bible.
Now, is it fighting against Marty Ahtisary plan, but not realising that later it is going to use Marty’s plan as a bible, but unfortunately it is going to be to late.
It is in the best interest of every democratic citizens of Serbia (citizens with common sense), that the future it is in EU. If you think you want closer relations with Russia (than EU), then probably you should ask Russia to make you some room there and migrate there. And we all leave happy after.
Rade, no matter how you read beetwen the lines I can tell you oe thing and you can take it to the bank; " serbian BOOT will never come back to KosovA and they will never be able to rule ever agin", if this makes you happy you can call it wide autonomy or what ever you feel like.
You say you dare Serbia to drop one single bomb on American soil in Kosovo? Hey mister you should know America has NO soil in Kosovo, they are nothing more then a peace keeping visitor in Kosovo! By all legal rights they can by law be asked to leave! Failure to do so would then make them an occupier like in Iraq and we all know how people around the world like to be occupied by America!Kosovo is another battle America has lost! They lost it back in May of this year just like they lost Afghanistan and Iraq... Sorry to burst your bubble Mr. Cowboy.
"We are getting tired of this Anti-American hate speech coming from countries such as iraq and serbia, it's really annoying. Politics isn't fair and it never will. America makes threats and America will keep their promise."
written by an Albanian who rather choses to call himself "American"
boy, what is the reason for this cheap masquerade? what do you want to achieve with that?
no single American would write the serbian province with an a at the end... and to be honest... trying to create some virtual "understanding" by some alleged "American" is only ridiculous.
that´s just the kind of lousy comments I have meant when I asked the B92-"journalists" to bring REAL info instead of stupid chit chat that is only good to provoke selfproclaimed experts who actually really seem to believe to be in the position to quot Mr.Putin and being capable of interpreting his words.
"Asked whether he considered the independence of Kosovo as a solution, Ambassador Khalilzad said UN envoy Martti Ahtisaari had proposed a middle-of-the-road solution, which, according to him, demonstrates that there are "different options"."
If that’s another way of saying ‘independence is not negotiable’, then I’d better brush up on my English because actually I read it to mean that the US is considering ‘different options’!
Sounds a lot like the Serbian proposal of 'autonomy with elements of sovereignty', with the Ahtisaari plan used as a basis for total decentralisation and devolution of power. The Kosovo Albanian leadership will be allowed to lead their supporters but never the Serbs.
I don't think it should be wise to ignore the Russian.
And the fact is, no one is ignoring Russia. The Russian had they say and got what they wanted, by not putting the resolution forward to the Security Council. The West and America has given the last chance to the Serb to accept the independence off Kosova.
However, in the end a decision has to be make and the Russian are fully aware of this.
I really don't think the Russian will be fooled by the Serb government propaganda.
The relation between this two powers will not be in danger over Kosova.
I quote a Putin say "The Russians will not be more Serb than the Serb's themselves"..
And as for the option off dividing Kosova, that really is up to the Albanian's.. However, elf the Serbs get some sort off the autonomy on the North Mitrovice, what is going to happen to the 2/3 off Serb in Kosovo that do not live there?
This really show the attitude off the Government off Serbia in Belgrade. They out off touch with the reality and seem to be more concern on holding their political power in Belgrade than the people in Kosova.
Python said: "US is no longer in a position to decide on Kosovo."
Rade said: " If that’s another way of saying ‘independence is not negotiable’, then I’d better brush up on my English because actually I read it to mean that the US is considering ‘different options’!"
Prince lazar said: " The US has as much power in Serbia now as they do trying to convince the Israeli's to allow a palestinian state. How long have we listened to that mantra, and how many successive presidents keep repeating the same thing without really meaning it?"
What is mushrooming in Serbia, besides the wishful thinking? Oh yes, the immense love for the mother Russia which might turn to hate when Kosova will be an indipent state.
tell the u s to give back texis new mixico give independance to miami to cuba but that is strange? but that is the usa you cant do that. but they can do it to serbia
The title of this story reminds me of the U2 song "With or Without You".Is it not funny that the US relies on China to fund our budget deficit due to our overspending and overconsumption?Do you all think maybe that is the reason we have not recognized Taiwan?It is too bad the Serbs do not have money to lend us so we can be their debtors-LOL
Mike,
I am just wondering if you were ever satisfied with any of the US administrations in your life. You seem to be one of the those few, who's heart was always in Russia or Serbia. I continue to encourage people like you to emigrate to those "democratic" countries.
No I wasn't on this site when someone replied. I see that someone took the liberty to represent me, it's okay.
America has 302 million people right now, that means nor I Mike, Jake, Josh or whom ever it may be do NOT represent all those people. Our views our mainly our own.
I merely spoke out because I do care about news and current events and I do visit this website. Seriously, enough with this Anti-America thing, it is really annoying.
I'm not going to take sides. I do honestly believe that Kosova or kosovo (whatever you wish) will gain independence. My country will support an independent Kosova and just because some democratic candidate will become next president the overall mission in Balkans won't finish until Kosova becomes self-ruled.
It's the US goal to establish an independent Kosova. We couldn't control such an unstable country like serbia. Albanians have proven to the US that they are one of our biggest allies, from Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. I do mean Albanians as in from Kosova, Albania, Macedonia, and others.
Why would we give serbs visas when they denounces us on their media (live and newspapers) how they hate us and such?
"I can tell you oe thing and you can take it to the bank; " serbian BOOT will never come back to KosovA and they will never be able to rule ever agin", (ahmet isufi, 27. August 2007 17:33)
Ahmed, the world has seen how serbia has democratized and reformed, UNLIKE, kosovo. 1244, is being visited right now, to allow for 2000 serbian BOOTS (1000 X 2). This is just a symbol however for the FULL reintigration in the future, whether it is 100 or 500 years from now. My children will be taught to never forget who they are and their history. Plus we have the title to the land so you are not in a position to guarantee anything.
The US has as much power in Serbia now as they do trying to convince the Israeli's to allow a palestinian state. How long have we listened to that mantra, and how many successive presidents keep repeating the same thing without really meaning it?
" "The situation in Kosovo poses a threat to regional and European security," Khalilzad pointed out."
No Serbia can handle its internal affairs very well. Not sure if Albanians plan terrorist attacks outside of Serbia, but that is not our concern. We don't respond to threats, and don't lose any sleep over fear of what the albanians may or may not do.
Zalmay Khalilzad was US ambassador in Afhanistan and Iraq before comming to UN.He was so "succesfull" in those 2 countries,with declared "victories" over Talebans and insurgents in Iraq and he is now declaring "victory" over Russia in Kosovo case...pathetic!
"Case closed"? Wow, you must be one of those rare lawyers that gives out free legal advice.
If only you were around when NATO was drawing up Resolution 1244. Or at least at the UNSC vote to tell them Russia can’t veto because the case is closed.
It’s not too late though. You can tell the Troika to call off the talks. You've closed this case.
"...america is the only country in the world who makes threats like this!"
Well at least unlike Russia they don't threaten countries by aiming their missiles at them. I heard a certain fellow named Putin making that threat to a certain continent called Europe.
Victor K, the US doesn't have to destroy anything,since all of those institutions you mention live from US money.
1. Securing energy supply for the States is at the top of my agenda
- It's nice that none of those resources come from Russia. For strategic reasons, it's a good idea not to rely on them for this country's "life blood."
2. A resurgent Russia is placing a stranglehold on energy supply from countries in its sphere of influence
- Not quite.
Russian econonomy's breadwinner is energy. It relies on Western companies to provide the advance technologies to extract/transport oil and natural gas. Russia is a minor player in just about every other field.
As such, it can only restrict supply so much without shooting itself in the foot. It has already made other countries look for alternatives (as they already are in the EU) not just in energy, but in other supply routes as well.
3. There is no military option to securing a share, so I want to keep the Russians on side, without kow-towing.
- Russia still holds nuclear weapons, so militarily speaking, it's a no-win. However, please read (1).
4. Europe is uncomfortable with the thought of unilateral declarations because of its own separatists, and because it depends directly on Russia for energy, supplies of which didn’t stop, even at the height of the Cold War. So I want to keep Europe happy and in my country’s sphere of influence.
- So far Russia has only played hardball with the EU with regard to its NATO expansion ambitions, which it sees as a threat to Russian national security. It's very unlikely that Russia will endanger billions of dollars worth of business with the EU for a province like Kosovo. Despite all the rhetoric, it's simply not that important a region for them.
I'll give you that there is dissent between several EU members about Kosovo.... Portugal, Greece, and Slovakia seem to be against the notion of independence. But you also should remember that the EU needs an example where it is seen to have an effective foreign policy, especially after the fiaskos of Bosnia and Iraq.
5. Other major countries, such as China, India, Brazil and Indonesia are watching carefully. I don’t want China to retaliate with a trade war. I don’t want India to turn back to Russia. I don’t want South America to support Chavez. I don’t want a hostile Indonesia causing problems in South East Asia.
- India is in the U.S-s pocket for business and strategic reasons. In case you missed the latest news, the U.S. and India just signed a nuclear agreement between each other. Let's not get started with the IT industry and the massive Indian diaspora in the States. I doubt India knows or cares about Kosovo.
- South America already despises Chavez, especially Brazil and Argentina, the heavy hitters of L. America. Bolivia, Cuba and Russia are his only friends really.
- China will get into a trade war with the States over Kosovo? Let's not kid ourselves.
6. Serbia is becoming more reasonable with its offer of autonomy plus. I don’t want them to fall into Russia’s sphere of influence.
- Serbia is already under Russian sphere of influence and as for "being reasonable", well, only the Serbs and the Russians seem to think so.
7. Serbia’s politicians are unlikely to respond to the stick but will compromise given the carrot of retaining sovereignty and accelerated membership in the EU.
- If you say so.
8. I sympathise with the Albanians but the game has changed. Radical Islamic elements no longer view the Albanians as 'true Muslims',so they will not see the States as supporting a Muslim country's struggle for freedom. They have nothing to offer by way of compensation for all the problems supporting their independence would cause. They are not a significant voting bloc in the States and their lobby doesn’t have the sort of money needed for the States to ‘go it alone’.
- Serb propaganda is trying its best to depict Albanians as "fundamentalist muslims" who would be the gateway to creating a European caliphate along with Bosnia. I thought this particular comment was kind of funny actually in the sense that it was an implicit acknowledgement that this whole effort was just a low, smear campaign.
The American politician might view this as follows:
- On the other hand, the Russians are pushing their luck too far. Maybe Putin needs to be taught a lesson. Kosovo might be a good place to prove a point.
9. Kosovo Albanian politicians are easily compromised and can be pressured to accept a negotiated settlement, or removed. I decide to tell Ceku that he has ‘decided to resign’ and warn the others not to turn themselves into my country’s enemy. I offer them the carrot of financial aid and sponsorship.
- That's probably wishful thinking. My guess is the only thing you might get the Kosovo Albanians to compromise on, is to possibly let Northern Kosovo go.
My solution is to push Serbia to the limit on concessions, have Europe take the lead on forging a compromise, making the Russians happy and avoiding any number of potential crises worldwide. I reluctantly accept the result.
- I don't doubt some politicians think so.
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In the end, neither you or I can read minds and this is just speculation :).
It is great to read your posting, the posting of a true American, who loves his country and is proud of it. Until now one could just read the comments of 3 pseudo-Americans of Serbian descent, who seem to be a security risk to our country.
Ratko,
I don't know if American is on site right now. So it is a pleasure for me to answer for him since I am also an American.
The US is in Kosovo/a in a great humanitarian mission defending the once long terrorized and oppressed K-Albanians against those Serb oppressors, who with Kalashnikov Kostunica in lead did not change at all since the nineties. So America is playing the good shepherd.
Answer to your second question is also very simple. Even none Americans can figure it out. Any country committing atrocities like Serbia did or threatening other countries security can be a legitimate target. The US as the only super power has this obligation versus smaller countries. Those times are gone when some bad wolves could run freely and commit barbaric crimes.
American aka albanian
"It's the US goal to establish an independent Kosova. We couldn't control such an unstable country like serbia. Albanians have proven to the US that they are one of our biggest allies, from Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. I do mean Albanians as in from Kosova, Albania, Macedonia, and others.
Why would we give serbs visas when they denounces us on their media (live and newspapers) how they hate us and such?"
First of few things about your post clearly give away the fact you are albanian. Like spelling Serbia with a lower case S and albania with a capital one.
Here is the truth American.
Kosovo will never be independent because EU will not unite without a UN mandate. US may talk big but this is a project that Russia has quite successfully halted in its tracks. Most important thing is that US does not wish to give Russia a reason to occupy Georgia. For which they are waiting on another US briliant unilateral move.
America has become a joke. It cant fund its own projects, its in 2 failed wars with 3 or 4 more Nations at a brink of war with the US. US economy is crumbling and its rather amuzing to watch the stock market collapse.
The government constantly holds its citizens hostage to either terror alerts or some kind of threats.
Its only a matter of time b4 US falls apart the way of the USSR. I would give it 10-15 years. Once oil becomes a much more coveted commodity.
Its only a matter of time b4 US falls apart the way of the USSR. I would give it 10-15 years. Once oil becomes a much more coveted commodity.
(Cvele, 28. August 2007 00:38)
I am sorry that I wrote serbia instead of Serbia. The reason may be that the comment box is about an inch wide and also the spell checker here beyond sucks.
When I said "anti-american" I meant your post. You give it 10 to 15 years before America collapses? America has lasted some of the greatest tests of history, do you really think this one is worse than Vietnam, Korean War, Cold War, etc etc?? You must be kidding me, answer me this; do you find yourself constantly saying "kosovo is always serbian?"
To all,
Zalmay Khalidzad was an Ambassador of US in Afganistan, then briefly in Iraq, now he represents US ar UN.
Before all this he was with RAND Corporation. Maybe some of you know that or not.
He is considered one of the smartest people alive.
He is an Afgani by heritage but they say his IQ is one of the highest in the world.
He knows what he's talkin about.
"The situation in Kosovo poses a threat to regional and European security," Khalilzad pointed out.
This is for certain. Just look at all the millions of dollars, euros, worth of damage that has been done to date. There would never have been a situation such as this if these weren't allowed in to steal our land.
As the article points out, a resolution will need to come out as the US Ambassador, points out - allow Russia to use their veto power as the US did with the Israelis- only a dozen or so plus times.
With or without you is not a good policy for Kosovo. In the end, if Kosovo wants to be a normal country in the U.N. it will need Russia. To dismiss Russia and to push for an imperfect solution will again make no one better off--especially in the long run.
As far as Ahtissari's plan being a middle of the road plan, it does have many good elements. The problem is that it was being pushed as a take it or leave it option rather than as a good starting point for negotiations.
The EU and the US tried to disregard Russian and Serbian reservations about the Ahtissari plan to the detriment of reaching a compromise.
The U.S. should listen to Ischinger since he's hit it right on the nail: if you want long term peace, both sides will have to reach a negotiated solution, and if that involves partition, so be it.
This Khalilzad was the same guy who declared quite recently about 10 exciting days in the UN ..... well, nothing exciting transpired except that the much touted UN resolution has been put on hold at the West's request.
Kosovo solution without Russia if necessary? More accurate to say "Kosovo solution without Russia AND UN if necessary" ..... Kosovo would become like Taiwan but MINUS the booming economy and the north. And consequently don't expect foreign investments to make a beeline for Kosovo.
Objectively then, the economic prospects of this de facto independence won't give Pristina any real economic benefits in the long term.
1.) i thought us was leaving un (and showing how isolated on that issue too they are) to negotiate with the russians a solution without russia??? ;-)
2.) the article was about the middle east, kosovo was just one question (and that too shows how important this question is for the us).
and
3.) it´s a building up on pressure over the albanians. the us says there hasen´t to bee indiependence, and eu´s message was quite more astonishing. ischinger asked if there is a position change, the albanians said no, and THEN he said: ok, then there will be no solution in 2007! after he was gone the talk started, that there won´t be a solution even in 2008!
To clarify further, for those that like to read between the lines;
Martti Ahtisaari’s solution demonstrates that there are "different options".
“Different options” means that there are several options, one of which is a partial implementation of Ahtisaari’s plan, without breaching international law.
Autonomy plus some elements of sovereignty. Acceptable to Serbia, the EU, Russia and all the countries uncomfortable with precedent setting illegal recognition, such as Spain, Indonesia, etc. A desirable option for progressive people more concerned about their children's future than political one-upmanship, particularly compared with the black hole of legal limbo.
Looking at this matter from the perspective of a patriotic American politician;
1. Securing energy supply for the States is at the top of my agenda.
2. A resurgent Russia is placing a stranglehold on energy supply from countries in its sphere of influence.
3. There is no military option to securing a share, so I want to keep the Russians on side, without kow-towing.
4. Europe is uncomfortable with the thought of unilateral declarations because of its own separatists, and because it depends directly on Russia for energy, supplies of which didn’t stop, even at the height of the Cold War. So I want to keep Europe happy and in my country’s sphere of influence.
5. Other major countries, such as China, India, Brazil and Indonesia are watching carefully. I don’t want China to retaliate with a trade war. I don’t want India to turn back to Russia. I don’t want South America to support Chavez. I don’t want a hostile Indonesia causing problems in South East Asia.
6. Serbia is becoming more reasonable with its offer of autonomy plus. I don’t want them to fall into Russia’s sphere of influence.
7. Serbia’s politicians are unlikely to respond to the stick but will compromise given the carrot of retaining sovereignty and accelerated membership in the EU.
8. I sympathise with the Albanians but the game has changed. Radical Islamic elements no longer view the Albanians as 'true Muslims',so they will not see the States as supporting a Muslim country's struggle for freedom. They have nothing to offer by way of compensation for all the problems supporting their independence would cause. They are not a significant voting bloc in the States and their lobby doesn’t have the sort of money needed for the States to ‘go it alone’.
9. Kosovo Albanian politicians are easily compromised and can be pressured to accept a negotiated settlement, or removed. I decide to tell Ceku that he has ‘decided to resign’ and warn the others not to turn themselves into my country’s enemy. I offer them the carrot of financial aid and sponsorship.
My solution is to push Serbia to the limit on concessions, have Europe take the lead on forging a compromise, making the Russians happy and avoiding any number of potential crises worldwide. I reluctantly accept the result.
It is a sad realization for me, but I no longer take seriously anything said by my present government or any of its appointed representatives. As the Bush Administration is imploding by the day, and as they lose a further grip on reality in Iraq, they tend to say the exact opposite of what they know is true. Kosovo can no more become independent without Russian input, than Iraq can become stable without Saudi and Iranian cooperation. I also find it interesting how the so-called US-European coaltion on Kosovo seems to be saying two opposite things every other day. Yesterday it was reported Ischinger said there would be no Kosovo solution this year - even to the point of waiting for the next Russian election, and today, Khalizad says a solution should be pushed forward one way or another, with or without Russia. I think this was more of a salving slogan for the Albanians who were probably miffed again at being put on the back burner. While I agree that something should be done soon, and that the Albanians need to be thrown into the drivers seat for a change, small little article tidbits like these only serve to animate the less informed readers into making absolutist statements on both sides of the debate.
We all know he was bribed with 40mill. How is that middle of the road. The Albanians get 15% of Serbian land and the Serbs get some so called rights under an islamic umbrella. We didn't want that durring the Ottomen rule and don't want it now. Thats why Serbs are sill mostly Christan.
These kind of threats from the americans won't work because the Russians and Serbs are holding all the cards. So what if the americans unilaterally recognize a greater albania? It will be an illegal state like north cyprus, and the Serbs will still control the north which holds most of the mineral wealth. In addition, Republika Srpska will declare independence immediately and be recognized by Russia in retaliation, and Russia will recognize many other areas of the former soviet union, this will be their perfect excuse to do it. So go ahead america, do it. I dare you. Serbs and Russians are in a win-win situation here, and your threats are completely toothless.
the US are running out of arguments...as it seems.
one is only threatening with unilateral steps if he has no other opportunities! just as those albanian teenage-criminals who can´t stand the proof of many centuries of serbian culture and identity of Kosovo, and therefore burning it down...
boys, the US would damage themselves if they did that! I would rather say they try to calm you down until it is cold outside in order to prevent any outbreak before winter.
you will calm down easier when you´re freezing like ice...
so, the US can win additional time and you have something to boast about...
in the end you´ll be realizing that you´ve been duped. and I will remember you of my words...
Luciano, it seems that all Mr. Khalizad needs to know he learned from Randy Newman's "Political Science".
On a second thought, we have corporate sponsorship in international sports withsponsor logos plastered all over the place. Perhaps it is high time to introduce the same in international politics as well. I can easilly visualize Mr. Khalizad emblazoned with Unocal logo. That way, corporate sponsors will at least get some advertisement for their cash, since Mr. Khalizad brings no victories.
More huffing and puffing, shouting and tantrum throwing.. BIG DEAL! In the END, all the Albanians will get is a disaffected (and more extremist) population, an entrenched criminal mafia (i.e drugs, human trafficking, weapons smuggling), and plenty of poverty and backwardness to last SEVERAL generations
Everything else is just huffing and puffing. You may say what you want but it won't change a thing!
Today is a great day on this site. Very entertaining. In one article one can read about the funny "show" of Vuk. In this one a lot of posturing and grand standing from the likes of Dragan using those propaganda buzz words like "holding all the cards", "it is a win win situation", etc. Poor Milosevic, if he could read all these Dragans he would be happy. But one can ask logically that if it is really so as they pretend than why do they waste their time here day in day out? If they are so sure of their win win situation why are they not going fishing or looking for fun? Why do they try to convince themself? Well everybody knows the answer.
Joe please don't ever question my patriotism or my loyalty to this country. I told you plain enough already what I supported, and who I voted for some months back. You know it, and I don’t need to repeat it. Moreover, I find it increasingly unsettling that you feel the need to be some sort of self-appointed representative determining what an American is or should not be. If you are so infatuated with our current administration and its foreign policy, if you are so determined to show how America is the only country in the world that can save other nations from the apparent evils of Russia, China, etc, how about using the comment sections to make an educated argument? Believe me, I would be one of the first to support you on it. You seem to only react, and react defensively, in your comments. Why you are on this site other than to convey anti-Serb invective is beyond me, but if this is a way to make you personally feel better, then fine. I have received kudos from both moderate Serbs and Albanians on this site for the views in my comments and the attempt at truly finding a way forward between the two embattled peoples. As someone who supported our efforts in Iraq, and who wanted all those Euroskeptics to eat crow, I would love to hear a sound solution from you as well beyond the simple and worn out “America is the greatest country in the world,” Empirical statements are needed here, not normative catchphrases.
The fundamental thing that separates you and me is that I feel it appropriate, even necessary to question government, and the representatives that lead it. You claim to be the defender of American values, so I going to assume you are well familiar that questioning government is a cornerstone of American thinking, codified by Jefferson, Madison, Tocqueville, Lincoln, and Truman. Yet you constantly seem to throw blind faith and unquestioning loyalty to Washington in ways that would make Milošević, Chavez, Ahmadinejad, and Putin happy - the very people you claim to despise. In fact, if you were living in any of those countries, you would probably be one of their biggest supporters. Your claim as a patriotic American is to believe that we are not only the best country in the world, but the only country that matters. You claim to be a patriotic American but you make enemies even out of moderates on this site, failing even to differentiate them from the nationalists. You constantly resort to stereotypical comments about Serbs, Russians, and anyone else that you feel are collective enemies of America. You constantly castigate anyone with a slightly divergent view of the United States. You tell people to go back to where they come from (which I find ironic since you were born outside this country), or barring that, to go to Venezuela or Russia, your dictatorships of choice. If this is the only thing you can resort to when challenged on an idea or an argument, you have no frame of reference to base your claims. To me, this sounds like someone who greatly fears the way the world is turning and constantly needs to think America is still this unipolar hegemon that the world fears and needs. Unless you are living in Dick Cheney's basement with a TV and an internet that only gets government-sponsored media, you would know that this administration in particular has hardly any credibility both at home and in the world abroad. Do you think I somehow like this? Do you somehow think I'm one of those people Hannity and Coulter warned you about that are secretly plotting to ruin America from within? Your comments have the mentality of a paranoid SPS supporter, lashing out at everything and anything smacking of treason and the need for constant vigilance against threats to our national security. McCarthy would be proud of you.
You see the world as this epic battle between good and evil with little to no gray area in between. The truth is, you need Russia to be the enemy. You need Serbia to be nationalistic. You need the Albanians to be helpless without the U.S. You need Europe to be weak and dependent on America in order to affirm what you believe is still the Cold War going on. In reality, you fail to see the multipolarity of the world, the addition of new powers and new forces in the world that don't so much counter American interests as they question and challenge them, seeking clarity and validation. You need to constantly believe that you are living in the most powerful country in the world. I wonder what your thoughts are on our abysmal handling of Katrina? Of declining educational standards across the country? Of scandal after scandal of this administration? Of our refusal to change strategies on the war efforts in Iraq? Of our treatment of prisoners at Guantanamo Bay? If you’re that supportive of this government, please address these. I supported our president. I supported our war efforts. I supported our reconstruction efforts in Iraq. After enough screw-ups and blatant disregard for the rule of law (unwarranted wire-taps, Constitutional abuse, legislative strong-arming, even environmental degradation), I can no longer find myself able to honestly support this administration. If you can tell me how you still can, I’d love to hear it.
Joe, you need to differentiate between people that are clearly anti-American and those who are critical of our government and its actions over the past years. Both are not interdependent. You need to stop looking for enemies where they don’t exist. You need to realize America is no longer the unquestioned superpower in the world. You also need to realize that America is still the greatest place in the world to live, and those who love it, often question its policies. I take no pleasure in writing any of this. It doesn’t really matter whether you agree with me or not. It also doesn’t matter whether you ignore my reply or simply tell me to go to Russia for lack of a better comeback. Nothing is going to change your mind. The only consolation I can possibly think of is that based solely on what I read in your reactionary comments, you represent a rapidly shrinking percentage of thinkers in this country that are ignoring and overlooking whatever they can, and lashing out at whatever they can’t.
We are getting tired of this Anti-American hate speech coming from countries such as iraq and serbia, it's really annoying. Politics isn't fair and it never will. America makes threats and America will keep their promise. I dare the SCO to touch one American citizen or drop a bomb near any American-base or american soil.
You will see why us Americans shout "we're number 1" proudly.
(American, 27. August 2007 19:27)
To "American" -
To be proud of your citizenship is one thing, to state that ALL Americans are sick & tired of the malarchy that is being spread by Iraq & Serbia is complete rubbish.
All of your bloody tax dollars are fueling (no pun intended) the young children of America that being killed in the middle east. Additionally, what about your Katrina victims? What are you doing for them & what makes you think that anyone will believe anything your embarassment of a president states as being "gospel".
We valued the relationship of the US until Clinton made the grave error of using NATO to bomb Serbia. You say you were looking for Milosevic, but with all of the technology of the (then) 20th century, how could a plane make a grave error & bomb a hospital, hotel & other areas that contain non-threatening persons?
Guess the missle that hit a UK base was a "mistake" too that should be excused?
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/skynews/20070822/twl-us-helicopter-crash-in-iraq-kills-14-3fd0ae9_2.html
So, when your president makes you proud & is able to keep your Social Security pension secured for your ripe retirement age as well as tend to the citizens of your great country, then & only then will we give you the opportunity to speak on/against Serbia.
Ahtisaari and his mates can paint the picture, blue, black, red, green, whichever colour comes to mind, however the clear picture is that Kosovo and Metohija is legal sovereign territory of Serbia.
Therefore if the Russians are left out, we are entering a new phase in world politics.
We are entering into new laws, erh. pardon, I mean to say illegal laws and an illegal world.
What a bloody mess, Mr. Ahtisaari.
Everyone should be focusing on "AUTONOMY".
We have a legal argument here.
"lowe my boy don't be a hypocrite. Don't try to make believe that the economic well-being of 2 million K-Albanians is so much on your heart. Anyway I can assure you that the US alone (but I imagine that the EU would be generous too) could help Kosovo financially with few billion dollars. The US gives away many billions per year. As a result Kosovo could even bypass poor Serbia after a while.
(Joe, 27. August 2007 15:28) "
Joe
I am not being hypocritical but being REALISTIC. The economic facts are there whether you are willing to face them or not. And YOU are being naive if you choose to be the proverbial ostrich with its head in the sand to economic realities.
When did I claim to be have the well being of Albanians or Serbs or Croats or, for that matter, Africans or Eskimos close to my heart? So don't accuse me of "pretending" just because I highlighted the unpleasant but undeniable economic facts to you.
So from your analogy, does this mean Kosovo would be content to be a US-EU ward indefinitely? Always dependent on handouts? And are you so sure these countries will be willing to bail you out economically forever, given that the West is currently having its own economic problems?
What makes you think the US is a bottomless financial well, able to dish out billions of dollars here and there on a whim? In case you don't know, it has the BIGGEST balance of payments deficit in the entire world, not to mention the bankruptcies and foreclosures in its own backyard at the moment from its sub-prime mortgage fiasco. Not to forget its military (AND FINANCIAL) quagmire in Iraq and Afghanistan. So if I were you I wouldn't be so sure about the billions and billions that you predict will come automatically from your now-no-longer-so-rich sugar daddies in the West.
In any case, how TRULY independent will Kosovo be if it have to always rely on others for economic bailouts???? You may call this independence, I would certainly beg to differ.
To all,
Zalmay Khalidzad was an Ambassador of US in Afganistan, then briefly in Iraq, now he represents US ar UN.
Before all this he was with RAND Corporation. Maybe some of you know that or not.
He is considered one of the smartest people alive.
He is an Afgani by heritage but they say his IQ is one of the highest in the world.
He knows what he's talkin about.
(lazer, 28. August 2007 14:25)
To lazer - Hitler's IQ was 145 (Genus) - so, what's your point?
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