Wow, unbelievable , these pro Milosevic comments are so indicative of the absolute pro-
serb bias here that I do not even consider these comment pages to
be anything but an embarrasing
attempt by serbs to make each other feel godd about something they did which will go down forever in history books as something so ugly.
Stop embarassing yourselves by blasting America
and trying to portray Russia as your friends. Serbia and Croatia have no real friends just overlords who wish to have influence in the area. Kosovo will be lost to Serbia and that reflects where the powere in the world lies, just
remember it never was with Serbia, so do not fool yourselves by dreaming in technicolour and speaking how these problems will by solved from Serbia's point of view.
Serbia's point of view does not matter. Russia is just playing a cheap tug-of-war
with America over a country that the world cares nothing about.
In a way Russia is just testing the waters with the U.S. over future struggles which will mark Russia's ascent back to superpower status, or so they hope.
Who wrote serbian history , serbs themselv and they want the whole world to beleive them even though the whole world sees the truth but yet according to Jovan they have to be blind and beleive what serbian orthodox church says.
it must have to do with those terribly bad living conditions in Kosovo, that those albanian kids do not even have the average elementary-school-knowledge about europe´s history.
ironically, using the nick-name "european" stands in complete contradiction to the that vast lack of the most basic preconditions of being european at all.
ps: maybe it´s only one kid that wants to provoke...
and B92 welcomes that by not filtering out those comments that are quite obvious not in accordance to written history.
once again not the best image B92 is displaying of themselves.
Cvele,
russia +serbia= disaster for serbia
russia+serbia=Kosova's Indepndence
russia+serbia=sevring diplomatic ties with 90% of western countries as promised by serbs themself
Ida
Again you obstruct the facts the question was who started the war not what triggered the war and facts say that top officials in the Serbian government were directly involved in conducting the assassination of foreign leaders, leaders of a much stronger power. Frankly, I think Austria reacted with amazing restraint. Take the time someday and read the actual demands of Austria upon Serbia concerning these murders. You will see that basically all Austria asked was for Serbia to turn over known criminals and to assist in stopping terrorism. Certainly nothing less could be asked by any sovereign state then or today. And even today what Serbia does for war criminals of the 20 Century it shelteres them and calles the heroes.
So please just be realistic and don't obstruct the history to your own satisfaction
Thank you
attempt to strip Republika Srpska of autonomy, and tell us to give up 15% of our ancestral homeland.
(Dragan, 24. August 2007 15:33)
hey dragan go learn to count. Kosova under serbia occupies 12%, yet again more belgrade propaganda. Tadic (head belgradian) says the number 15 and you so proudly keep shouting without questioning. Go learn history, than some math before you speak.
Kosova is Lost, get with the program, it never was yours.
European wrote
"ITS A FACT THAT ww1 started becouse off the assaination of the prince off austria by a serbian who got payed bye serbia. and just tell me what whod you expect from austria send you some flowers. NO they saw it as an atack on them and they responded and dont make me go on about the history becouse i now it as it is and not as your serbian myths have told you.
Becouse off the humiliating defeat that germany had in ww1 and the miserable life that followed ww1 in germany could a maniac and power greedy Hitler come too power.
So the conclusion is that serbia is too blame for 3 wars in 90s and the world wars.
GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT
tip dont bye history books with serbian or russian authors trye too get some from the WEST."
As someone who lives in the the west (Australia), I have read many books on WW1 and WW2. Unfortunatley for you, the assasination of the Duke by the Serbs, DID NOT trigger WW1. What triggered WW1 was the fact that the Austro-Hungarian Empire wanted to annexe the whole of Serbia. They actually gave the Serb parliament a list of 10 demands. Surprisingly, the Serb Parliament agreed to all but one of the conditions. This is what prompted the Empire to invade Serbia. This is also where the Russians came in to help out Serbia which resulted in the Austro-Hungarian empire to collapse.
Now, for WW2, this was started by Hitler when he invaded Poland and Chekoslovakia. Serbia or should I say Yugoslavia, did not rate a mention at that point in time.
So European, I suggest you go to the library and read up on the subject matter, instead of inventing your own history. Its bad enough the Americans are doing this.
Serbia is already benefiting from its close relations with both EU members and Russia. Serbia has a free trade agreement with Russia, and France often trades with Russia through Serbia. Serbia is much better off as a bridge between East and West until such time that Europe is united, and then we will form a political block with Russia within the EU. Russia is after all a European country. Such an EU would be the most powerful country in the world. The US and her interests take 3rd place at best after the EU and Russia. India and China are probably more important.
European, there’s no proof the Serbian King ordered it, let alone paid for it. It you have such sources please cite them. Otherwise say “probably” or “maybe” or “likely” or whatever.
The reality is WWI would have happened regardless, the assassination was merely the catalyst that started the ball rolling. All those crazy alliances were sure to pull everyone into a big mess sooner or later. The Ottoman Empire was falling apart, and everyone wanted their piece of the pie. Clearly Austria was looking for a fight. First they got all grabbi grabbi on Bosnia. Then they put unreasonable ultimatums as a response to the assassination, which no country would agree to. Serbia agreed to 9 of 10 demands, but Austria wanted their “investigators” to have full freedom of movement in Serbia and demanded an answer within 48 hours. We can certainly debate how reasonable the ultimatum was, or how responsible the Serbian government were for the assassination, but I remain convinced WWI would have started somehow.
The Western Powers imposed those harsh conditions on the Germans after WWI. I do not believe the Serbs had all that much say in that. I think you’re making sort of a stretch there.
I would go so far as to say Serbia and Russia made the biggest contributions in the fight against the Germans. The Serbian uprising delayed the battalions headed towards the Russian front by a few months trapping them in Russia’s brutal winter.
Cvele,
Your slogans remind me of that communist era in Eastern Europe, where people had to marsh under red banners ploclaming that "Communism will bury capitalism", "The West is only a paper tiger", "Capitalism is dying", "The Sovietunion is the the true and brotherly friend of all oppressed people", etc. etc.
Are you trying to encourage yourself when you are delivering all those highly profond thoughts?
Concerning the Caucasus the US does not need to meddle. I just read in yesterday's New York Times that in Ingushia Russian soldiers were ambushed, one got killed, a dozen badly hurt. A Russian family was executed. . The situation in Dagestan and Chechnia is well known. If once the US decide to help those oppressed people than it will become very hot for the Russians under the collar. Russia could lose the Caucasus region one day. If a country is mistreating his minorities like Serbia did -and still doing - it really can backfire.
Nobody cares anymore what the AMERICAN FAILED STATE has to say after what they have done to the poor people of Iraq and Afganistan! Many Empiers broke theirs teeth
in The Balkans! The time has come for NEW WORLD ORDER with Russia as superpower
"ITS A FACT THAT ww1 started becouse off the assaination of the prince off austria by a serbian who got payed bye serbia."
That's not a fact - it was the archduke of Austria and he was purposely given no security in order to give Austria and excuse to start a war. Austria was maneuvering its troops in Bosnia on the border with Serbia in the weeks before the assassination. Austria had also started the so-called "Pig War" against Serbia years earlier - it was a boycott against pork and Austria thought it would devastate Serbia, but instead Serbia found other markets.
The assassination group was fed info by the Austrians and the archduke was dangled out - driving slowly in a car in order to get him killed.
There were others who were supposed to kill him, including a Bosnian Muslim, but they threw a grenade and it missed and many of them gave up and left. Even Gavrilo Princip gave up and went into a cafe to drink, but then someone told him the Archduke was coming round again.
The car driving the Archduke stopped in front of Gavrilo Princip - 5 feet away and sat there until he was shot.
Only after he was shot did so many soldiers come out of the woodwork to arrest him.
In otherwords Austria and Germany set it up to blame Serbs and have a pretest for war.
Also, the heavey armament of the "Great Powers" was going on for decades before and already had everyone worried that a war was coming.
You had the Franco-Prussian war in the 1870's which was a sign of Germany strengthening and gaining confidence it could eventually get more territory.
There were earlier instances when a WWI was nearly started over difference between the Great Powers.
There was a lot of fighting over their colonies in Africa. France, Belgium, Germany, etc. were all carving up Africa and almost coming to a war.
Further, Germany was worried about Russia gaining strength and wanted a war with them. They knew that if Austria attacked Serbia, then they could go to war against Russia.
As for the WWII excuse of Germany's humilation - that is nonsense.
Most of the war and loss was not in Germany and Germany actually emerged from the war as the strongest industrial country in Europe.
Its factories and land were not as devasted as those in France and other countries.
Furthermore, many of the conditions originally set to punish Germany were never really enacted.
That's why Germany was able to build such a formidable war-machine only 20 years later - it had the industrial strength to start off with, since it was never destroyed, and they started up their military industry soon after the war - no one stopped them. The "humiliation" excuse was only to build resentment among the Germans and justify their greed.
It is true.
Serbia is becoming a victim of Russian games. Actually,
its official.
Cvele, et al.
Your perception of the near future is equal to 0 (ZERO)
All the minds of the Western developed countries are saying one thing that makes sense about Serbias GOOD FUTURE and you trying to make mockery of that?
Go back to basics. I happen to have a friend in SERBIA who is a peasent and an honest man, has a farm, cows pigs, chickens etc.
I trust his judgment 1 million times more then all of you posting this about defeating NATO and becoming a Russian puppet state.
Keep in mind that Miloshevic is DEAD and DEAD are his policies and his killings.
Time to move on.
Serbia needs new LEADERS, who can carry the country into EU, NATO and integrate as it should.
Every other alternative is NOT GOOD for Serbia.
Worry about that, not Kosovo.
Because Kosovo is out of reach for you, in your way of thinking.
Kosovo will be a new State in Europe, multiethnic, where all the peoples of Kosovo will have equal rights, and will share power accordingly with everybody else.
If you go to Kosovo right now you will see that everything of Communism does not exist anymore.
As it says in Swiss (neutral state) history book "Cornelsen Geschichtsbuch 4" that " First World War started with the declaration of the war from Austria-Hungary to Serbia." A direct connection between Princip and the Serbian state was never found!
And that Serbia is to blame for the Second World War is just so stupid! So look at what Albanians did in all the world wars.
And what I cannot belive in this whole story about Kosovo is, that a state in our days has not the right to do what it wants in his own country. No one has the right to bomb a country because of what it does in itself. Even more without the permisson of the UN!
i wonder if you have read your books right, your talking about history as if you new it and yet comes with statements like those.
ITS A FACT THAT ww1 started becouse off the assaination of the prince off austria by a serbian who got payed bye serbia. and just tell me what whod you expect from austria send you some flowers. NO they saw it as an atack on them and they responded and dont make me go on about the history becouse i now it as it is and not as your serbian myths have told you.
Becouse off the humiliating defeat that germany had in ww1 and the miserable life that followed ww1 in germany could a maniac and power greedy Hitler come too power.
So the conclusion is that serbia is too blame for 3 wars in 90s and the world wars.
GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT
tip dont bye history books with serbian or russian authors trye too get some from the WEST.
AND ONE MORE THINK
KOSOVO WILL GET ITS INDIPENDENCE BECOUSE WEST WANTS IT AND YOUR RUSSIAN "FRIENDS" can scramble all they want with there kalashnikovs just google on USAs teknologi in there army
You are absolutely correct by stating that "we are dealing with a Serbia that is moving away from the western world and in most cases it is declaring itself to be against the western world. The likes of Castro, AhmadianAjad,Khomeni, Kim Jong Il come to mind."
Just read all these "friendly" postings of Serbs on this site. They all act like Ahmadianajad, this mad man. Having thousands of Serbian Ahmadianajad as additional ennemies will not make a difference. I am so glad to see all this huffing and puffing of the Serbs. Mr. Hunter should speak more often and bluntly like this. This is the only way to ensure that Serbs get the message. Slowly the fronts get clearly delimited between the democratic West on one side and Russia and her satellite Serbia on the other side. This will be of great advantage for the K-Albanians.
What are you laughing at? If anything we should (and are) laughing at your very very very poor knowledge of history.
Assassination's were common in Europe at the time to start and hardly did they ever start wars.
Second Austria hated that prince because he was rather reluctant to invade Serbia to the disappointment of his generals...
When he was killed no one morned his death and it took rather a long time for people to take notice of it.
His death was a excuse for Austria to declare war on Serbia. NOT the other way around...
Germany in a very stupid fashion followed Austria to war against Serbia and lost.
Hitler for what ever reason he saw the need to start WW2...well that was Germany's fault so to bad.
Next time read a book (any history book) before making such accusations.
Oh and BTW Dragan is right we did side with the allies in both world wars and gave our hefty contribution, unlike your people and mentioned others.
Getting back to the article itself. What is a former ambassador to Nato trying to tell whats good and bad for Serbia? He has no say in our national interests.
The "west" seems to think we are ready to declare Serbia a province of Russia. Well my nothing is farther from the truth. Serbia is siding with Russia because they have a very strong voice and indeed unlike the US who bombed Serbia...and not because of human rights I am sure the families of the two thousand killed Serb civilains from Nato bombs can tell you that!
Russia is reawakening and if indeed as Albanians are hopelessly trying prove (but can't) that Serbia is being used so Russia can flex some muscle, I say SO WHAT? As long as our interests are fulfilled I could care less.
These US politicians are getting better every week, these days all their statements are full of "hope" and "compromise" not long before were thy saying "accept independence" "its over" etc...
Albanians get over it, you can't have it. The US cannot spare any more of its image for you.
Russia unlike the US, has nothing to lose. Their support too Serbia is strong and unchanged.
The US should start backing out to save what ever they can, I believe the expression is "cut and run".
And to add finally, Nato is no benefit to the people of a country. Serbs are not ready to send her young boys to die in Afghanistan...and we never will be.
As for PfP, No statement from the government has been made suggesting we withdraw from that program.
Serbs are victims of the blunders of their own politicians. Pointing the finger to everywhere but themselves keeps them from looking at the mirror - are they afraid to see what kind of face they see in there?
"Acknowledgement of facts is the root of all wisdom."
"... Russia didn't bomb you around the clock, but NATO did becuase it upholds the ideals of human rights for all and believed it was the only way to stop the senseless massacring of innocent Kosovans."
written by Jentofee
Jentofee and all the others...
NATO is so totally committed to human rights that it used depleted uranium in Kosovo and now it´s albanian babies who are born with deformations. and all some stupid teenager could say in regard to that was "better uranium than the Serbs"
I think the opposite, it´s in favour of the serbian cause if Albanians unveil their state of mind, called independence "or hell will break loose".
bravo, go on with that! and go on with fooling yourself!
"American diplomat Robert Hunter says the only losers in Russia’s games over Kosovo will be the Serbian people."
I would ask Mr. Hunter what is the US game plan in the Balkans?
That the Russians have called your bluff is what is really making you frustrated and angry.
The sincerity of both the US (using NATO) and Russia needs to be questioned for you see, I believe that history shows that the people of the Balkans have always been the losers.
If the majority of the average Serbs in Serbia think the same way, about the US and the West, as the Serbs posting in this site then the Albanian cause is doing very good. It is much easier for us to convince the western world to back us up since we are dealing with a Serbia that is moving away from the western world and in most cases it is declaring itself to be against the western world. The likes of Castro, AhmadianAjad,Khomeni, Kim Jong Il come to mind.
hahahaha
Yes you where allies in ww1 and 2 but have you forgot that you started ww1 when you killed the austrian prince and declared war agisnt austria and germany.
And ww2 started becouse off the humuliating defeat that germany soffered. and Hitler could take that defeat too his advantage and gain power in germany.
So once again you are too blame for 2 world wars
Does Bush consider the will of his own people? Americans want their soldiers out of Iraq, but there is no end in sight. The Serbian government knows whats best for SRBIJA and that means not falling victom the wests' quest for world domination. I cant wait for the day when this ridiculous idea for independent Kocobo is put to rest. Its slowly dying and looks like there is no cure!! Too bad there arent more polititions like Putin, the world would be a safer place. CCCC
At present aligning ones self with Russia would not be the cleverest move for serbia in terms of euro-atlantic integration. Russia is attempting to gain more global autonomy and achieve military assertiveness. There is nothing wrong with this, particularly in a world where we want representation from each country, but diplomacy and debate is the way forward. Serbia is being used as a pawn by Russia to show its 'might'.
Yes Dragan, Russia didn't bomb you around the clock, but NATO did becuase it upholds the ideals of human rights for all and believed it was the only way to stop the senseless massacring of innocent Kosovans.
Think rationally and realisticaly, Russia is not an ally and would certainly not be the friend to have when making a move into europe.
Russia is the most important country in Europe and the US is wise to be on the friendliest terms because Putin obviously outclasses every other politician(European or American).It is the height of delusion to think that Kosovo matters even 1% to US national security in comparison to Russia.The US CIA armed the Afghan mujahadeen which killed 10k Soviet soldiers over an 8 year period back in the 80's.Do we want Russia arming them now in order for them to kill 10k NATO soldiers as payback? Do we want Russian gangsters flooding the streets of the EU with pure heroin which they can get as payment for their arms from the Afghans and thousands of European youth overdosing on an annual basis?Do we want Russian arms on the streets of Iraq which can kill and maim another 40k US soldiers?Does the fact that Bush spent a whole 5 seconds talking with Putin about Kosovo not tell you all something?
What a joke. This guy cant be serious. They have a mob regime running Kosovo and are talking about Milosevic (God rest his soul). People in Kosovo are miserable and thats only because all the money invested into it is taken by their representatives. Wake up albans you are bing robbed. Serbs are trying to save you so accept autonomy and live peacefully.
Destroying and after criticizing devastated nation for not being cooperative and taking other side for a partner is senseless statement and I do not comprehend what was a message?
"He claimed that the country’s possible withdrawal from the programme would only damage the interests of the people."
This is a load of rubbish. The only loser will be the US itself -- it will have less Nato lackeys to fight the wars it created in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Thanks for the advice Mr. Hunter, but no thanks. Serbs have supported the allies in both WWI and WWII while croats, bosnian muslims, and albanians supported the Nazis. We have seen how you show your gratitude for the huge sacrifices the Serbs have made. We would rather be 'victims' of Russian games than beneficiaries of American games. Russia has already done more positive for Serbia this year than the West has done in the last 15 years. At least we know Russians won't bomb us illegally for 78 days around the clock, plan and execute the ethnic cleansing in Krajina, attempt to strip Republika Srpska of autonomy, and tell us to give up 15% of our ancestral homeland.
Coming days will be too difficult for Serbians, because they still are standing under Russia policies; they are only 7 years that Serbia got attacks by NATO. Even in that time Serbians trust in Russia, but definitely they incurred too bad. Serbian territory was under bombing about three months. Why Russia did not stopped those bombing. I totally agree with former ambassador. Serbians definitely must take off their mind by Russia because it is not part of Europe. They have to look forward Europe. This is a country of all.
We all know that is difficult to take off the hands by “Trepca”, but it is a “FORBIDDEN APPLE” for Serbia.
Thanks for the advice Mr. Hunter, but no thanks. Serbs have supported the allies in both WWI and WWII while croats, bosnian muslims, and albanians supported the Nazis. We have seen how you show your gratitude for the huge sacrifices the Serbs have made. We would rather be 'victims' of Russian games than beneficiaries of American games. Russia has already done more positive for Serbia this year than the West has done in the last 15 years. At least we know Russians won't bomb us illegally for 78 days around the clock, plan and execute the ethnic cleansing in Krajina, attempt to strip Republika Srpska of autonomy, and tell us to give up 15% of our ancestral homeland.
Russia is the most important country in Europe and the US is wise to be on the friendliest terms because Putin obviously outclasses every other politician(European or American).It is the height of delusion to think that Kosovo matters even 1% to US national security in comparison to Russia.The US CIA armed the Afghan mujahadeen which killed 10k Soviet soldiers over an 8 year period back in the 80's.Do we want Russia arming them now in order for them to kill 10k NATO soldiers as payback? Do we want Russian gangsters flooding the streets of the EU with pure heroin which they can get as payment for their arms from the Afghans and thousands of European youth overdosing on an annual basis?Do we want Russian arms on the streets of Iraq which can kill and maim another 40k US soldiers?Does the fact that Bush spent a whole 5 seconds talking with Putin about Kosovo not tell you all something?
What a joke. This guy cant be serious. They have a mob regime running Kosovo and are talking about Milosevic (God rest his soul). People in Kosovo are miserable and thats only because all the money invested into it is taken by their representatives. Wake up albans you are bing robbed. Serbs are trying to save you so accept autonomy and live peacefully.
"He claimed that the country’s possible withdrawal from the programme would only damage the interests of the people."
This is a load of rubbish. The only loser will be the US itself -- it will have less Nato lackeys to fight the wars it created in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Does Bush consider the will of his own people? Americans want their soldiers out of Iraq, but there is no end in sight. The Serbian government knows whats best for SRBIJA and that means not falling victom the wests' quest for world domination. I cant wait for the day when this ridiculous idea for independent Kocobo is put to rest. Its slowly dying and looks like there is no cure!! Too bad there arent more polititions like Putin, the world would be a safer place. CCCC
Destroying and after criticizing devastated nation for not being cooperative and taking other side for a partner is senseless statement and I do not comprehend what was a message?
At present aligning ones self with Russia would not be the cleverest move for serbia in terms of euro-atlantic integration. Russia is attempting to gain more global autonomy and achieve military assertiveness. There is nothing wrong with this, particularly in a world where we want representation from each country, but diplomacy and debate is the way forward. Serbia is being used as a pawn by Russia to show its 'might'.
Yes Dragan, Russia didn't bomb you around the clock, but NATO did becuase it upholds the ideals of human rights for all and believed it was the only way to stop the senseless massacring of innocent Kosovans.
Think rationally and realisticaly, Russia is not an ally and would certainly not be the friend to have when making a move into europe.
Coming days will be too difficult for Serbians, because they still are standing under Russia policies; they are only 7 years that Serbia got attacks by NATO. Even in that time Serbians trust in Russia, but definitely they incurred too bad. Serbian territory was under bombing about three months. Why Russia did not stopped those bombing. I totally agree with former ambassador. Serbians definitely must take off their mind by Russia because it is not part of Europe. They have to look forward Europe. This is a country of all.
We all know that is difficult to take off the hands by “Trepca”, but it is a “FORBIDDEN APPLE” for Serbia.
"... Russia didn't bomb you around the clock, but NATO did becuase it upholds the ideals of human rights for all and believed it was the only way to stop the senseless massacring of innocent Kosovans."
written by Jentofee
Jentofee and all the others...
NATO is so totally committed to human rights that it used depleted uranium in Kosovo and now it´s albanian babies who are born with deformations. and all some stupid teenager could say in regard to that was "better uranium than the Serbs"
I think the opposite, it´s in favour of the serbian cause if Albanians unveil their state of mind, called independence "or hell will break loose".
bravo, go on with that! and go on with fooling yourself!
hahahaha
Yes you where allies in ww1 and 2 but have you forgot that you started ww1 when you killed the austrian prince and declared war agisnt austria and germany.
And ww2 started becouse off the humuliating defeat that germany soffered. and Hitler could take that defeat too his advantage and gain power in germany.
So once again you are too blame for 2 world wars
What are you laughing at? If anything we should (and are) laughing at your very very very poor knowledge of history.
Assassination's were common in Europe at the time to start and hardly did they ever start wars.
Second Austria hated that prince because he was rather reluctant to invade Serbia to the disappointment of his generals...
When he was killed no one morned his death and it took rather a long time for people to take notice of it.
His death was a excuse for Austria to declare war on Serbia. NOT the other way around...
Germany in a very stupid fashion followed Austria to war against Serbia and lost.
Hitler for what ever reason he saw the need to start WW2...well that was Germany's fault so to bad.
Next time read a book (any history book) before making such accusations.
Oh and BTW Dragan is right we did side with the allies in both world wars and gave our hefty contribution, unlike your people and mentioned others.
Getting back to the article itself. What is a former ambassador to Nato trying to tell whats good and bad for Serbia? He has no say in our national interests.
The "west" seems to think we are ready to declare Serbia a province of Russia. Well my nothing is farther from the truth. Serbia is siding with Russia because they have a very strong voice and indeed unlike the US who bombed Serbia...and not because of human rights I am sure the families of the two thousand killed Serb civilains from Nato bombs can tell you that!
Russia is reawakening and if indeed as Albanians are hopelessly trying prove (but can't) that Serbia is being used so Russia can flex some muscle, I say SO WHAT? As long as our interests are fulfilled I could care less.
These US politicians are getting better every week, these days all their statements are full of "hope" and "compromise" not long before were thy saying "accept independence" "its over" etc...
Albanians get over it, you can't have it. The US cannot spare any more of its image for you.
Russia unlike the US, has nothing to lose. Their support too Serbia is strong and unchanged.
The US should start backing out to save what ever they can, I believe the expression is "cut and run".
And to add finally, Nato is no benefit to the people of a country. Serbs are not ready to send her young boys to die in Afghanistan...and we never will be.
As for PfP, No statement from the government has been made suggesting we withdraw from that program.
"American diplomat Robert Hunter says the only losers in Russia’s games over Kosovo will be the Serbian people."
I would ask Mr. Hunter what is the US game plan in the Balkans?
That the Russians have called your bluff is what is really making you frustrated and angry.
The sincerity of both the US (using NATO) and Russia needs to be questioned for you see, I believe that history shows that the people of the Balkans have always been the losers.
If the majority of the average Serbs in Serbia think the same way, about the US and the West, as the Serbs posting in this site then the Albanian cause is doing very good. It is much easier for us to convince the western world to back us up since we are dealing with a Serbia that is moving away from the western world and in most cases it is declaring itself to be against the western world. The likes of Castro, AhmadianAjad,Khomeni, Kim Jong Il come to mind.
You are absolutely correct by stating that "we are dealing with a Serbia that is moving away from the western world and in most cases it is declaring itself to be against the western world. The likes of Castro, AhmadianAjad,Khomeni, Kim Jong Il come to mind."
Just read all these "friendly" postings of Serbs on this site. They all act like Ahmadianajad, this mad man. Having thousands of Serbian Ahmadianajad as additional ennemies will not make a difference. I am so glad to see all this huffing and puffing of the Serbs. Mr. Hunter should speak more often and bluntly like this. This is the only way to ensure that Serbs get the message. Slowly the fronts get clearly delimited between the democratic West on one side and Russia and her satellite Serbia on the other side. This will be of great advantage for the K-Albanians.
Serbs are victims of the blunders of their own politicians. Pointing the finger to everywhere but themselves keeps them from looking at the mirror - are they afraid to see what kind of face they see in there?
"Acknowledgement of facts is the root of all wisdom."
it must have to do with those terribly bad living conditions in Kosovo, that those albanian kids do not even have the average elementary-school-knowledge about europe´s history.
ironically, using the nick-name "european" stands in complete contradiction to the that vast lack of the most basic preconditions of being european at all.
ps: maybe it´s only one kid that wants to provoke...
and B92 welcomes that by not filtering out those comments that are quite obvious not in accordance to written history.
once again not the best image B92 is displaying of themselves.
"ITS A FACT THAT ww1 started becouse off the assaination of the prince off austria by a serbian who got payed bye serbia."
That's not a fact - it was the archduke of Austria and he was purposely given no security in order to give Austria and excuse to start a war. Austria was maneuvering its troops in Bosnia on the border with Serbia in the weeks before the assassination. Austria had also started the so-called "Pig War" against Serbia years earlier - it was a boycott against pork and Austria thought it would devastate Serbia, but instead Serbia found other markets.
The assassination group was fed info by the Austrians and the archduke was dangled out - driving slowly in a car in order to get him killed.
There were others who were supposed to kill him, including a Bosnian Muslim, but they threw a grenade and it missed and many of them gave up and left. Even Gavrilo Princip gave up and went into a cafe to drink, but then someone told him the Archduke was coming round again.
The car driving the Archduke stopped in front of Gavrilo Princip - 5 feet away and sat there until he was shot.
Only after he was shot did so many soldiers come out of the woodwork to arrest him.
In otherwords Austria and Germany set it up to blame Serbs and have a pretest for war.
Also, the heavey armament of the "Great Powers" was going on for decades before and already had everyone worried that a war was coming.
You had the Franco-Prussian war in the 1870's which was a sign of Germany strengthening and gaining confidence it could eventually get more territory.
There were earlier instances when a WWI was nearly started over difference between the Great Powers.
There was a lot of fighting over their colonies in Africa. France, Belgium, Germany, etc. were all carving up Africa and almost coming to a war.
Further, Germany was worried about Russia gaining strength and wanted a war with them. They knew that if Austria attacked Serbia, then they could go to war against Russia.
As for the WWII excuse of Germany's humilation - that is nonsense.
Most of the war and loss was not in Germany and Germany actually emerged from the war as the strongest industrial country in Europe.
Its factories and land were not as devasted as those in France and other countries.
Furthermore, many of the conditions originally set to punish Germany were never really enacted.
That's why Germany was able to build such a formidable war-machine only 20 years later - it had the industrial strength to start off with, since it was never destroyed, and they started up their military industry soon after the war - no one stopped them. The "humiliation" excuse was only to build resentment among the Germans and justify their greed.
It is true.
Serbia is becoming a victim of Russian games. Actually,
its official.
Cvele, et al.
Your perception of the near future is equal to 0 (ZERO)
All the minds of the Western developed countries are saying one thing that makes sense about Serbias GOOD FUTURE and you trying to make mockery of that?
Go back to basics. I happen to have a friend in SERBIA who is a peasent and an honest man, has a farm, cows pigs, chickens etc.
I trust his judgment 1 million times more then all of you posting this about defeating NATO and becoming a Russian puppet state.
Keep in mind that Miloshevic is DEAD and DEAD are his policies and his killings.
Time to move on.
Serbia needs new LEADERS, who can carry the country into EU, NATO and integrate as it should.
Every other alternative is NOT GOOD for Serbia.
Worry about that, not Kosovo.
Because Kosovo is out of reach for you, in your way of thinking.
Kosovo will be a new State in Europe, multiethnic, where all the peoples of Kosovo will have equal rights, and will share power accordingly with everybody else.
If you go to Kosovo right now you will see that everything of Communism does not exist anymore.
Nobody cares anymore what the AMERICAN FAILED STATE has to say after what they have done to the poor people of Iraq and Afganistan! Many Empiers broke theirs teeth
in The Balkans! The time has come for NEW WORLD ORDER with Russia as superpower
European wrote
"ITS A FACT THAT ww1 started becouse off the assaination of the prince off austria by a serbian who got payed bye serbia. and just tell me what whod you expect from austria send you some flowers. NO they saw it as an atack on them and they responded and dont make me go on about the history becouse i now it as it is and not as your serbian myths have told you.
Becouse off the humiliating defeat that germany had in ww1 and the miserable life that followed ww1 in germany could a maniac and power greedy Hitler come too power.
So the conclusion is that serbia is too blame for 3 wars in 90s and the world wars.
GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT
tip dont bye history books with serbian or russian authors trye too get some from the WEST."
As someone who lives in the the west (Australia), I have read many books on WW1 and WW2. Unfortunatley for you, the assasination of the Duke by the Serbs, DID NOT trigger WW1. What triggered WW1 was the fact that the Austro-Hungarian Empire wanted to annexe the whole of Serbia. They actually gave the Serb parliament a list of 10 demands. Surprisingly, the Serb Parliament agreed to all but one of the conditions. This is what prompted the Empire to invade Serbia. This is also where the Russians came in to help out Serbia which resulted in the Austro-Hungarian empire to collapse.
Now, for WW2, this was started by Hitler when he invaded Poland and Chekoslovakia. Serbia or should I say Yugoslavia, did not rate a mention at that point in time.
So European, I suggest you go to the library and read up on the subject matter, instead of inventing your own history. Its bad enough the Americans are doing this.
Cvele,
russia +serbia= disaster for serbia
russia+serbia=Kosova's Indepndence
russia+serbia=sevring diplomatic ties with 90% of western countries as promised by serbs themself
i wonder if you have read your books right, your talking about history as if you new it and yet comes with statements like those.
ITS A FACT THAT ww1 started becouse off the assaination of the prince off austria by a serbian who got payed bye serbia. and just tell me what whod you expect from austria send you some flowers. NO they saw it as an atack on them and they responded and dont make me go on about the history becouse i now it as it is and not as your serbian myths have told you.
Becouse off the humiliating defeat that germany had in ww1 and the miserable life that followed ww1 in germany could a maniac and power greedy Hitler come too power.
So the conclusion is that serbia is too blame for 3 wars in 90s and the world wars.
GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT
tip dont bye history books with serbian or russian authors trye too get some from the WEST.
AND ONE MORE THINK
KOSOVO WILL GET ITS INDIPENDENCE BECOUSE WEST WANTS IT AND YOUR RUSSIAN "FRIENDS" can scramble all they want with there kalashnikovs just google on USAs teknologi in there army
As it says in Swiss (neutral state) history book "Cornelsen Geschichtsbuch 4" that " First World War started with the declaration of the war from Austria-Hungary to Serbia." A direct connection between Princip and the Serbian state was never found!
And that Serbia is to blame for the Second World War is just so stupid! So look at what Albanians did in all the world wars.
And what I cannot belive in this whole story about Kosovo is, that a state in our days has not the right to do what it wants in his own country. No one has the right to bomb a country because of what it does in itself. Even more without the permisson of the UN!
Serbia is already benefiting from its close relations with both EU members and Russia. Serbia has a free trade agreement with Russia, and France often trades with Russia through Serbia. Serbia is much better off as a bridge between East and West until such time that Europe is united, and then we will form a political block with Russia within the EU. Russia is after all a European country. Such an EU would be the most powerful country in the world. The US and her interests take 3rd place at best after the EU and Russia. India and China are probably more important.
European, there’s no proof the Serbian King ordered it, let alone paid for it. It you have such sources please cite them. Otherwise say “probably” or “maybe” or “likely” or whatever.
The reality is WWI would have happened regardless, the assassination was merely the catalyst that started the ball rolling. All those crazy alliances were sure to pull everyone into a big mess sooner or later. The Ottoman Empire was falling apart, and everyone wanted their piece of the pie. Clearly Austria was looking for a fight. First they got all grabbi grabbi on Bosnia. Then they put unreasonable ultimatums as a response to the assassination, which no country would agree to. Serbia agreed to 9 of 10 demands, but Austria wanted their “investigators” to have full freedom of movement in Serbia and demanded an answer within 48 hours. We can certainly debate how reasonable the ultimatum was, or how responsible the Serbian government were for the assassination, but I remain convinced WWI would have started somehow.
The Western Powers imposed those harsh conditions on the Germans after WWI. I do not believe the Serbs had all that much say in that. I think you’re making sort of a stretch there.
I would go so far as to say Serbia and Russia made the biggest contributions in the fight against the Germans. The Serbian uprising delayed the battalions headed towards the Russian front by a few months trapping them in Russia’s brutal winter.
Ida
Again you obstruct the facts the question was who started the war not what triggered the war and facts say that top officials in the Serbian government were directly involved in conducting the assassination of foreign leaders, leaders of a much stronger power. Frankly, I think Austria reacted with amazing restraint. Take the time someday and read the actual demands of Austria upon Serbia concerning these murders. You will see that basically all Austria asked was for Serbia to turn over known criminals and to assist in stopping terrorism. Certainly nothing less could be asked by any sovereign state then or today. And even today what Serbia does for war criminals of the 20 Century it shelteres them and calles the heroes.
So please just be realistic and don't obstruct the history to your own satisfaction
Thank you
Who wrote serbian history , serbs themselv and they want the whole world to beleive them even though the whole world sees the truth but yet according to Jovan they have to be blind and beleive what serbian orthodox church says.
Cvele,
Your slogans remind me of that communist era in Eastern Europe, where people had to marsh under red banners ploclaming that "Communism will bury capitalism", "The West is only a paper tiger", "Capitalism is dying", "The Sovietunion is the the true and brotherly friend of all oppressed people", etc. etc.
Are you trying to encourage yourself when you are delivering all those highly profond thoughts?
Concerning the Caucasus the US does not need to meddle. I just read in yesterday's New York Times that in Ingushia Russian soldiers were ambushed, one got killed, a dozen badly hurt. A Russian family was executed. . The situation in Dagestan and Chechnia is well known. If once the US decide to help those oppressed people than it will become very hot for the Russians under the collar. Russia could lose the Caucasus region one day. If a country is mistreating his minorities like Serbia did -and still doing - it really can backfire.
attempt to strip Republika Srpska of autonomy, and tell us to give up 15% of our ancestral homeland.
(Dragan, 24. August 2007 15:33)
hey dragan go learn to count. Kosova under serbia occupies 12%, yet again more belgrade propaganda. Tadic (head belgradian) says the number 15 and you so proudly keep shouting without questioning. Go learn history, than some math before you speak.
Kosova is Lost, get with the program, it never was yours.
Wow, unbelievable , these pro Milosevic comments are so indicative of the absolute pro-
serb bias here that I do not even consider these comment pages to
be anything but an embarrasing
attempt by serbs to make each other feel godd about something they did which will go down forever in history books as something so ugly.
Stop embarassing yourselves by blasting America
and trying to portray Russia as your friends. Serbia and Croatia have no real friends just overlords who wish to have influence in the area. Kosovo will be lost to Serbia and that reflects where the powere in the world lies, just
remember it never was with Serbia, so do not fool yourselves by dreaming in technicolour and speaking how these problems will by solved from Serbia's point of view.
Serbia's point of view does not matter. Russia is just playing a cheap tug-of-war
with America over a country that the world cares nothing about.
In a way Russia is just testing the waters with the U.S. over future struggles which will mark Russia's ascent back to superpower status, or so they hope.
hahahaha
Yes you where allies in ww1 and 2 but have you forgot that you started ww1 when you killed the austrian prince and declared war agisnt austria and germany.
And ww2 started becouse off the humuliating defeat that germany soffered. and Hitler could take that defeat too his advantage and gain power in germany.
So once again you are too blame for 2 world wars
i wonder if you have read your books right, your talking about history as if you new it and yet comes with statements like those.
ITS A FACT THAT ww1 started becouse off the assaination of the prince off austria by a serbian who got payed bye serbia. and just tell me what whod you expect from austria send you some flowers. NO they saw it as an atack on them and they responded and dont make me go on about the history becouse i now it as it is and not as your serbian myths have told you.
Becouse off the humiliating defeat that germany had in ww1 and the miserable life that followed ww1 in germany could a maniac and power greedy Hitler come too power.
So the conclusion is that serbia is too blame for 3 wars in 90s and the world wars.
GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT
tip dont bye history books with serbian or russian authors trye too get some from the WEST.
AND ONE MORE THINK
KOSOVO WILL GET ITS INDIPENDENCE BECOUSE WEST WANTS IT AND YOUR RUSSIAN "FRIENDS" can scramble all they want with there kalashnikovs just google on USAs teknologi in there army
Coming days will be too difficult for Serbians, because they still are standing under Russia policies; they are only 7 years that Serbia got attacks by NATO. Even in that time Serbians trust in Russia, but definitely they incurred too bad. Serbian territory was under bombing about three months. Why Russia did not stopped those bombing. I totally agree with former ambassador. Serbians definitely must take off their mind by Russia because it is not part of Europe. They have to look forward Europe. This is a country of all.
We all know that is difficult to take off the hands by “Trepca”, but it is a “FORBIDDEN APPLE” for Serbia.
At present aligning ones self with Russia would not be the cleverest move for serbia in terms of euro-atlantic integration. Russia is attempting to gain more global autonomy and achieve military assertiveness. There is nothing wrong with this, particularly in a world where we want representation from each country, but diplomacy and debate is the way forward. Serbia is being used as a pawn by Russia to show its 'might'.
Yes Dragan, Russia didn't bomb you around the clock, but NATO did becuase it upholds the ideals of human rights for all and believed it was the only way to stop the senseless massacring of innocent Kosovans.
Think rationally and realisticaly, Russia is not an ally and would certainly not be the friend to have when making a move into europe.
What a joke. This guy cant be serious. They have a mob regime running Kosovo and are talking about Milosevic (God rest his soul). People in Kosovo are miserable and thats only because all the money invested into it is taken by their representatives. Wake up albans you are bing robbed. Serbs are trying to save you so accept autonomy and live peacefully.
If the majority of the average Serbs in Serbia think the same way, about the US and the West, as the Serbs posting in this site then the Albanian cause is doing very good. It is much easier for us to convince the western world to back us up since we are dealing with a Serbia that is moving away from the western world and in most cases it is declaring itself to be against the western world. The likes of Castro, AhmadianAjad,Khomeni, Kim Jong Il come to mind.
You are absolutely correct by stating that "we are dealing with a Serbia that is moving away from the western world and in most cases it is declaring itself to be against the western world. The likes of Castro, AhmadianAjad,Khomeni, Kim Jong Il come to mind."
Just read all these "friendly" postings of Serbs on this site. They all act like Ahmadianajad, this mad man. Having thousands of Serbian Ahmadianajad as additional ennemies will not make a difference. I am so glad to see all this huffing and puffing of the Serbs. Mr. Hunter should speak more often and bluntly like this. This is the only way to ensure that Serbs get the message. Slowly the fronts get clearly delimited between the democratic West on one side and Russia and her satellite Serbia on the other side. This will be of great advantage for the K-Albanians.
Serbs are victims of the blunders of their own politicians. Pointing the finger to everywhere but themselves keeps them from looking at the mirror - are they afraid to see what kind of face they see in there?
"Acknowledgement of facts is the root of all wisdom."
"He claimed that the country’s possible withdrawal from the programme would only damage the interests of the people."
This is a load of rubbish. The only loser will be the US itself -- it will have less Nato lackeys to fight the wars it created in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Thanks for the advice Mr. Hunter, but no thanks. Serbs have supported the allies in both WWI and WWII while croats, bosnian muslims, and albanians supported the Nazis. We have seen how you show your gratitude for the huge sacrifices the Serbs have made. We would rather be 'victims' of Russian games than beneficiaries of American games. Russia has already done more positive for Serbia this year than the West has done in the last 15 years. At least we know Russians won't bomb us illegally for 78 days around the clock, plan and execute the ethnic cleansing in Krajina, attempt to strip Republika Srpska of autonomy, and tell us to give up 15% of our ancestral homeland.
Russia is the most important country in Europe and the US is wise to be on the friendliest terms because Putin obviously outclasses every other politician(European or American).It is the height of delusion to think that Kosovo matters even 1% to US national security in comparison to Russia.The US CIA armed the Afghan mujahadeen which killed 10k Soviet soldiers over an 8 year period back in the 80's.Do we want Russia arming them now in order for them to kill 10k NATO soldiers as payback? Do we want Russian gangsters flooding the streets of the EU with pure heroin which they can get as payment for their arms from the Afghans and thousands of European youth overdosing on an annual basis?Do we want Russian arms on the streets of Iraq which can kill and maim another 40k US soldiers?Does the fact that Bush spent a whole 5 seconds talking with Putin about Kosovo not tell you all something?
What are you laughing at? If anything we should (and are) laughing at your very very very poor knowledge of history.
Assassination's were common in Europe at the time to start and hardly did they ever start wars.
Second Austria hated that prince because he was rather reluctant to invade Serbia to the disappointment of his generals...
When he was killed no one morned his death and it took rather a long time for people to take notice of it.
His death was a excuse for Austria to declare war on Serbia. NOT the other way around...
Germany in a very stupid fashion followed Austria to war against Serbia and lost.
Hitler for what ever reason he saw the need to start WW2...well that was Germany's fault so to bad.
Next time read a book (any history book) before making such accusations.
Oh and BTW Dragan is right we did side with the allies in both world wars and gave our hefty contribution, unlike your people and mentioned others.
Getting back to the article itself. What is a former ambassador to Nato trying to tell whats good and bad for Serbia? He has no say in our national interests.
The "west" seems to think we are ready to declare Serbia a province of Russia. Well my nothing is farther from the truth. Serbia is siding with Russia because they have a very strong voice and indeed unlike the US who bombed Serbia...and not because of human rights I am sure the families of the two thousand killed Serb civilains from Nato bombs can tell you that!
Russia is reawakening and if indeed as Albanians are hopelessly trying prove (but can't) that Serbia is being used so Russia can flex some muscle, I say SO WHAT? As long as our interests are fulfilled I could care less.
These US politicians are getting better every week, these days all their statements are full of "hope" and "compromise" not long before were thy saying "accept independence" "its over" etc...
Albanians get over it, you can't have it. The US cannot spare any more of its image for you.
Russia unlike the US, has nothing to lose. Their support too Serbia is strong and unchanged.
The US should start backing out to save what ever they can, I believe the expression is "cut and run".
And to add finally, Nato is no benefit to the people of a country. Serbs are not ready to send her young boys to die in Afghanistan...and we never will be.
As for PfP, No statement from the government has been made suggesting we withdraw from that program.
Ida
Again you obstruct the facts the question was who started the war not what triggered the war and facts say that top officials in the Serbian government were directly involved in conducting the assassination of foreign leaders, leaders of a much stronger power. Frankly, I think Austria reacted with amazing restraint. Take the time someday and read the actual demands of Austria upon Serbia concerning these murders. You will see that basically all Austria asked was for Serbia to turn over known criminals and to assist in stopping terrorism. Certainly nothing less could be asked by any sovereign state then or today. And even today what Serbia does for war criminals of the 20 Century it shelteres them and calles the heroes.
So please just be realistic and don't obstruct the history to your own satisfaction
Thank you
Cvele,
russia +serbia= disaster for serbia
russia+serbia=Kosova's Indepndence
russia+serbia=sevring diplomatic ties with 90% of western countries as promised by serbs themself
Does Bush consider the will of his own people? Americans want their soldiers out of Iraq, but there is no end in sight. The Serbian government knows whats best for SRBIJA and that means not falling victom the wests' quest for world domination. I cant wait for the day when this ridiculous idea for independent Kocobo is put to rest. Its slowly dying and looks like there is no cure!! Too bad there arent more polititions like Putin, the world would be a safer place. CCCC
"American diplomat Robert Hunter says the only losers in Russia’s games over Kosovo will be the Serbian people."
I would ask Mr. Hunter what is the US game plan in the Balkans?
That the Russians have called your bluff is what is really making you frustrated and angry.
The sincerity of both the US (using NATO) and Russia needs to be questioned for you see, I believe that history shows that the people of the Balkans have always been the losers.
It is true.
Serbia is becoming a victim of Russian games. Actually,
its official.
Cvele, et al.
Your perception of the near future is equal to 0 (ZERO)
All the minds of the Western developed countries are saying one thing that makes sense about Serbias GOOD FUTURE and you trying to make mockery of that?
Go back to basics. I happen to have a friend in SERBIA who is a peasent and an honest man, has a farm, cows pigs, chickens etc.
I trust his judgment 1 million times more then all of you posting this about defeating NATO and becoming a Russian puppet state.
Keep in mind that Miloshevic is DEAD and DEAD are his policies and his killings.
Time to move on.
Serbia needs new LEADERS, who can carry the country into EU, NATO and integrate as it should.
Every other alternative is NOT GOOD for Serbia.
Worry about that, not Kosovo.
Because Kosovo is out of reach for you, in your way of thinking.
Kosovo will be a new State in Europe, multiethnic, where all the peoples of Kosovo will have equal rights, and will share power accordingly with everybody else.
If you go to Kosovo right now you will see that everything of Communism does not exist anymore.
Cvele,
Your slogans remind me of that communist era in Eastern Europe, where people had to marsh under red banners ploclaming that "Communism will bury capitalism", "The West is only a paper tiger", "Capitalism is dying", "The Sovietunion is the the true and brotherly friend of all oppressed people", etc. etc.
Are you trying to encourage yourself when you are delivering all those highly profond thoughts?
Concerning the Caucasus the US does not need to meddle. I just read in yesterday's New York Times that in Ingushia Russian soldiers were ambushed, one got killed, a dozen badly hurt. A Russian family was executed. . The situation in Dagestan and Chechnia is well known. If once the US decide to help those oppressed people than it will become very hot for the Russians under the collar. Russia could lose the Caucasus region one day. If a country is mistreating his minorities like Serbia did -and still doing - it really can backfire.
Who wrote serbian history , serbs themselv and they want the whole world to beleive them even though the whole world sees the truth but yet according to Jovan they have to be blind and beleive what serbian orthodox church says.
Wow, unbelievable , these pro Milosevic comments are so indicative of the absolute pro-
serb bias here that I do not even consider these comment pages to
be anything but an embarrasing
attempt by serbs to make each other feel godd about something they did which will go down forever in history books as something so ugly.
Stop embarassing yourselves by blasting America
and trying to portray Russia as your friends. Serbia and Croatia have no real friends just overlords who wish to have influence in the area. Kosovo will be lost to Serbia and that reflects where the powere in the world lies, just
remember it never was with Serbia, so do not fool yourselves by dreaming in technicolour and speaking how these problems will by solved from Serbia's point of view.
Serbia's point of view does not matter. Russia is just playing a cheap tug-of-war
with America over a country that the world cares nothing about.
In a way Russia is just testing the waters with the U.S. over future struggles which will mark Russia's ascent back to superpower status, or so they hope.
Destroying and after criticizing devastated nation for not being cooperative and taking other side for a partner is senseless statement and I do not comprehend what was a message?
"... Russia didn't bomb you around the clock, but NATO did becuase it upholds the ideals of human rights for all and believed it was the only way to stop the senseless massacring of innocent Kosovans."
written by Jentofee
Jentofee and all the others...
NATO is so totally committed to human rights that it used depleted uranium in Kosovo and now it´s albanian babies who are born with deformations. and all some stupid teenager could say in regard to that was "better uranium than the Serbs"
I think the opposite, it´s in favour of the serbian cause if Albanians unveil their state of mind, called independence "or hell will break loose".
bravo, go on with that! and go on with fooling yourself!
As it says in Swiss (neutral state) history book "Cornelsen Geschichtsbuch 4" that " First World War started with the declaration of the war from Austria-Hungary to Serbia." A direct connection between Princip and the Serbian state was never found!
And that Serbia is to blame for the Second World War is just so stupid! So look at what Albanians did in all the world wars.
And what I cannot belive in this whole story about Kosovo is, that a state in our days has not the right to do what it wants in his own country. No one has the right to bomb a country because of what it does in itself. Even more without the permisson of the UN!
"ITS A FACT THAT ww1 started becouse off the assaination of the prince off austria by a serbian who got payed bye serbia."
That's not a fact - it was the archduke of Austria and he was purposely given no security in order to give Austria and excuse to start a war. Austria was maneuvering its troops in Bosnia on the border with Serbia in the weeks before the assassination. Austria had also started the so-called "Pig War" against Serbia years earlier - it was a boycott against pork and Austria thought it would devastate Serbia, but instead Serbia found other markets.
The assassination group was fed info by the Austrians and the archduke was dangled out - driving slowly in a car in order to get him killed.
There were others who were supposed to kill him, including a Bosnian Muslim, but they threw a grenade and it missed and many of them gave up and left. Even Gavrilo Princip gave up and went into a cafe to drink, but then someone told him the Archduke was coming round again.
The car driving the Archduke stopped in front of Gavrilo Princip - 5 feet away and sat there until he was shot.
Only after he was shot did so many soldiers come out of the woodwork to arrest him.
In otherwords Austria and Germany set it up to blame Serbs and have a pretest for war.
Also, the heavey armament of the "Great Powers" was going on for decades before and already had everyone worried that a war was coming.
You had the Franco-Prussian war in the 1870's which was a sign of Germany strengthening and gaining confidence it could eventually get more territory.
There were earlier instances when a WWI was nearly started over difference between the Great Powers.
There was a lot of fighting over their colonies in Africa. France, Belgium, Germany, etc. were all carving up Africa and almost coming to a war.
Further, Germany was worried about Russia gaining strength and wanted a war with them. They knew that if Austria attacked Serbia, then they could go to war against Russia.
As for the WWII excuse of Germany's humilation - that is nonsense.
Most of the war and loss was not in Germany and Germany actually emerged from the war as the strongest industrial country in Europe.
Its factories and land were not as devasted as those in France and other countries.
Furthermore, many of the conditions originally set to punish Germany were never really enacted.
That's why Germany was able to build such a formidable war-machine only 20 years later - it had the industrial strength to start off with, since it was never destroyed, and they started up their military industry soon after the war - no one stopped them. The "humiliation" excuse was only to build resentment among the Germans and justify their greed.
Nobody cares anymore what the AMERICAN FAILED STATE has to say after what they have done to the poor people of Iraq and Afganistan! Many Empiers broke theirs teeth
in The Balkans! The time has come for NEW WORLD ORDER with Russia as superpower
Serbia is already benefiting from its close relations with both EU members and Russia. Serbia has a free trade agreement with Russia, and France often trades with Russia through Serbia. Serbia is much better off as a bridge between East and West until such time that Europe is united, and then we will form a political block with Russia within the EU. Russia is after all a European country. Such an EU would be the most powerful country in the world. The US and her interests take 3rd place at best after the EU and Russia. India and China are probably more important.
European, there’s no proof the Serbian King ordered it, let alone paid for it. It you have such sources please cite them. Otherwise say “probably” or “maybe” or “likely” or whatever.
The reality is WWI would have happened regardless, the assassination was merely the catalyst that started the ball rolling. All those crazy alliances were sure to pull everyone into a big mess sooner or later. The Ottoman Empire was falling apart, and everyone wanted their piece of the pie. Clearly Austria was looking for a fight. First they got all grabbi grabbi on Bosnia. Then they put unreasonable ultimatums as a response to the assassination, which no country would agree to. Serbia agreed to 9 of 10 demands, but Austria wanted their “investigators” to have full freedom of movement in Serbia and demanded an answer within 48 hours. We can certainly debate how reasonable the ultimatum was, or how responsible the Serbian government were for the assassination, but I remain convinced WWI would have started somehow.
The Western Powers imposed those harsh conditions on the Germans after WWI. I do not believe the Serbs had all that much say in that. I think you’re making sort of a stretch there.
I would go so far as to say Serbia and Russia made the biggest contributions in the fight against the Germans. The Serbian uprising delayed the battalions headed towards the Russian front by a few months trapping them in Russia’s brutal winter.
attempt to strip Republika Srpska of autonomy, and tell us to give up 15% of our ancestral homeland.
(Dragan, 24. August 2007 15:33)
hey dragan go learn to count. Kosova under serbia occupies 12%, yet again more belgrade propaganda. Tadic (head belgradian) says the number 15 and you so proudly keep shouting without questioning. Go learn history, than some math before you speak.
Kosova is Lost, get with the program, it never was yours.
European wrote
"ITS A FACT THAT ww1 started becouse off the assaination of the prince off austria by a serbian who got payed bye serbia. and just tell me what whod you expect from austria send you some flowers. NO they saw it as an atack on them and they responded and dont make me go on about the history becouse i now it as it is and not as your serbian myths have told you.
Becouse off the humiliating defeat that germany had in ww1 and the miserable life that followed ww1 in germany could a maniac and power greedy Hitler come too power.
So the conclusion is that serbia is too blame for 3 wars in 90s and the world wars.
GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT
tip dont bye history books with serbian or russian authors trye too get some from the WEST."
As someone who lives in the the west (Australia), I have read many books on WW1 and WW2. Unfortunatley for you, the assasination of the Duke by the Serbs, DID NOT trigger WW1. What triggered WW1 was the fact that the Austro-Hungarian Empire wanted to annexe the whole of Serbia. They actually gave the Serb parliament a list of 10 demands. Surprisingly, the Serb Parliament agreed to all but one of the conditions. This is what prompted the Empire to invade Serbia. This is also where the Russians came in to help out Serbia which resulted in the Austro-Hungarian empire to collapse.
Now, for WW2, this was started by Hitler when he invaded Poland and Chekoslovakia. Serbia or should I say Yugoslavia, did not rate a mention at that point in time.
So European, I suggest you go to the library and read up on the subject matter, instead of inventing your own history. Its bad enough the Americans are doing this.
it must have to do with those terribly bad living conditions in Kosovo, that those albanian kids do not even have the average elementary-school-knowledge about europe´s history.
ironically, using the nick-name "european" stands in complete contradiction to the that vast lack of the most basic preconditions of being european at all.
ps: maybe it´s only one kid that wants to provoke...
and B92 welcomes that by not filtering out those comments that are quite obvious not in accordance to written history.
once again not the best image B92 is displaying of themselves.
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