Victor you have no argument here! As usual your rants foster no support. And keep in mind many of your own Croatian countryman were murdered by extremist Muslim Bosnians. There is no one guilty people here, Muslims, Croatians as well as the Serbians share the blame of what happened in Bosnia to proclaim the Serbs as the only or majority guilty party is stupid and hold no water for the educated person! And I have noted that a large number of posters on B92 appear to be quite educated!
We all know where these war criminals are - in Bosnia, which is being protected by the UN. So if anyone wants them, they know exactly where to go. Obviously Carla doesn't want them that badly. She's visited Beograd enough times to see concerts, etc. Perhaps this trip is to go shopping in the new mall?
«Since you have no intention of reading the substantiated truth...»
I have read all the substantiated documents but, is it the truth, as you assert! Only God knows. How would you know? How can you affirm that they documents are the «substantiated truth»? Is it because a group of searchers and intellectuals are saying so?
I must admit that the documents present a certain version of what happened, but who knows if the documents report the truth. This has to be proven.
Don't worry, I am not that kind of persons who put their head in the sand so that they will not see or hear the truth. I'm always the one looks-out for the truth, all the truth, nothing but the truth. And I can easily adjust to the truth when I am presented to it, through documents or testimonies. On the other hand, I remain sceptic and do not accept easily documents and facts only because a few 'searchers' pretend to detain the whole truth.
As for Srebrenica, I abide with the ICTY documents and all that have been disclosed by Serb officers and soldier; and all the witnesses who testified about these crual events.
As for the exact number of Serbs killed during the war in and around Srebrenica, I know that Serbs use frequently the 4000 figure, but I know of no objective source that maintain the figure.
Since you have no intention of reading the substantiated truth, your only alternative will continue to be to bury your head in the sand holding firm the fixed ideas planted in your head of the Yugo-wars. You say, in essence, "No more research required!! The first conclusion pointing guilt to the Serbs is the one that is good enough for me."
To summarize the research, Serbs DID kill about 3000 - 4000 Muslims there AFTER Nasir Oric's (soi-disant "killer of Serbs") men had killed nearly an equal amount of Serbs ambushed repeatedly over the course of several months in the surrounding of Srebrenica from the confines of the Srebrenica safe-haven with the express purpose of provocing a retaliatory Serb attack. Exact numbers of Serbs and Muslims killed in and around Srebrencia are provided. At was at that point in time when the Serbs didn't care anymore about observing the sanctity of the "safe-haven" that Izetbegovic removed his commanding officers from Srebrenica and had the CNN cameras turned on to catch the certain blood bath. How cunning and expeditious of the Muslim extremist tyrant. Victor, that is the truth. It is substantiated and made easily verifiable. But, we know what you purposes are in your comments on topics such as this one: deflect attention for maniacal, berserk ethnic cleansing and slaughter away from Croats and onto the victims of Croat ethnic cleansing campaigns in two wars during the XX century, the Serbs. The Croats' day of reckoning before the mainstream's history books cannot be postponed forever...
"As I have often written, many Serbs would like that Srebrenica genocide never happened, but it did, just as the Armenian genocide, the Rwanda genocide, or the Cambodian genocide. It is human but, unfortunately for all honest Serbs, the Bosnian genocide happened in 1995, of course, with a number inferior to the other enumerated genocides, but Srebrenica is another of too many genocides, in the XXe century, and all Serbs would have to deal with this and with their own history."
There are some very good elements to this point. Firstly, that many (I would agrue most) Serbs wish that Srebrenica did not happen is very true. I would argue that the majority of peoples living on former Yugoslav territory did not wish for the crimes committed by extremists in history- such as Jasenovac (which I highly doubt a majority of average Croats of the time would vote for in a referendum)
It is also good that the facts of the war established by World Courts and Trubunals are respected in this comment- in referring to Srebrenica in 1995 as the example of genocide you distance yourself from Bosniak propaganda of a genocide across all of Bosnia. Good for you in sticking to the facts.
I certainly agree that on a political level Serbs will have to deal with the issue for some time to come. This is why it is important for perpetrators to be brought to justice or for those accused to prove their innocence in front of the world. So that criminals are rightfully punished and isolated from the rest of their societies of which contain mostly people who find mass murder abhorrant.
«Perhaps she finally got around to delving into comprehensive and independent Western research on the matter».
As I have often written, many Serbs would like that Srebrenica genocide never happened, but it did, just as the Armenian genocide, the Rwanda genocide, or the Cambodian genocide. It is human but, unfortunately for all honest Serbs, the Bosnian genocide happened in 1995, of course, with a number inferior to the other enumerated genocides, but Srebrenica is another of too many genocides, in the XXe century, and all Serbs would have to deal with this and with their own history.
In July 1995, 1000s of Bosniaks tried to leave the Srebrenica enclave, and they failed. They were captured and all were associated with soldiers, when they were civilians. And when Karadzic and Mladic were informed that many had surrendered or had been caught, the orders were sound and clear:
« -- KILL THEM ALL!»
That's what happened, as so many Serb officers clearly stated, and no research group can change the truth of such a dark page in Serbian History.
Roger, The following message was addressed to Kate and not Hate. This mistake is a lack of attention and I apologize to Kate. Kate is one of the Serb posters that I respect.
Kate,
It is of common knowledge that Kostunica and Karadzic are good friend? Would you sent your best friend to The Hague?
Victor says..."Matthew, I have already explained myself many times on this topic... as you know.
Hate,"
Just hate, Victor?
How often we have read your words and are subjected to your rants when pertaining to the Serbs such as rape, criminals, atrocities, genocide, slaughter of innocents and murder but now that it is Croats you simply state, hate.
Perhaps she finally got around to delving into comprehensive and independent Western research on the matter:
www.srebrenica-report.com/
Also, while you are throwing stones from your glass house, please comment on this letter written to beatified Zagreb Archbishop Stepinac in the following link. www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/massacre.html
Are Croat evil, racsist & fiendish works of WWII still worth blithly dismissing while you bash the Serbian nation without the burden of proof as logically, statistically & ethically demonstrated in the first link?
Mrs Del Ponte is getting naive; it's about time she leaves. I don'tunderstand how she can be satisfied when we all know that Kostunica knows where Karadzic is.
Mrs Del Ponte is getting naive; it's about time she leaves. I don'tunderstand how she can be satisfied when we all know that Kostunica knows where Karadzic is.
Since you have no intention of reading the substantiated truth, your only alternative will continue to be to bury your head in the sand holding firm the fixed ideas planted in your head of the Yugo-wars. You say, in essence, "No more research required!! The first conclusion pointing guilt to the Serbs is the one that is good enough for me."
To summarize the research, Serbs DID kill about 3000 - 4000 Muslims there AFTER Nasir Oric's (soi-disant "killer of Serbs") men had killed nearly an equal amount of Serbs ambushed repeatedly over the course of several months in the surrounding of Srebrenica from the confines of the Srebrenica safe-haven with the express purpose of provocing a retaliatory Serb attack. Exact numbers of Serbs and Muslims killed in and around Srebrencia are provided. At was at that point in time when the Serbs didn't care anymore about observing the sanctity of the "safe-haven" that Izetbegovic removed his commanding officers from Srebrenica and had the CNN cameras turned on to catch the certain blood bath. How cunning and expeditious of the Muslim extremist tyrant. Victor, that is the truth. It is substantiated and made easily verifiable. But, we know what you purposes are in your comments on topics such as this one: deflect attention for maniacal, berserk ethnic cleansing and slaughter away from Croats and onto the victims of Croat ethnic cleansing campaigns in two wars during the XX century, the Serbs. The Croats' day of reckoning before the mainstream's history books cannot be postponed forever...
Perhaps she finally got around to delving into comprehensive and independent Western research on the matter:
www.srebrenica-report.com/
Also, while you are throwing stones from your glass house, please comment on this letter written to beatified Zagreb Archbishop Stepinac in the following link. www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/massacre.html
Are Croat evil, racsist & fiendish works of WWII still worth blithly dismissing while you bash the Serbian nation without the burden of proof as logically, statistically & ethically demonstrated in the first link?
Victor says..."Matthew, I have already explained myself many times on this topic... as you know.
Hate,"
Just hate, Victor?
How often we have read your words and are subjected to your rants when pertaining to the Serbs such as rape, criminals, atrocities, genocide, slaughter of innocents and murder but now that it is Croats you simply state, hate.
Victor you have no argument here! As usual your rants foster no support. And keep in mind many of your own Croatian countryman were murdered by extremist Muslim Bosnians. There is no one guilty people here, Muslims, Croatians as well as the Serbians share the blame of what happened in Bosnia to proclaim the Serbs as the only or majority guilty party is stupid and hold no water for the educated person! And I have noted that a large number of posters on B92 appear to be quite educated!
«Perhaps she finally got around to delving into comprehensive and independent Western research on the matter».
As I have often written, many Serbs would like that Srebrenica genocide never happened, but it did, just as the Armenian genocide, the Rwanda genocide, or the Cambodian genocide. It is human but, unfortunately for all honest Serbs, the Bosnian genocide happened in 1995, of course, with a number inferior to the other enumerated genocides, but Srebrenica is another of too many genocides, in the XXe century, and all Serbs would have to deal with this and with their own history.
In July 1995, 1000s of Bosniaks tried to leave the Srebrenica enclave, and they failed. They were captured and all were associated with soldiers, when they were civilians. And when Karadzic and Mladic were informed that many had surrendered or had been caught, the orders were sound and clear:
« -- KILL THEM ALL!»
That's what happened, as so many Serb officers clearly stated, and no research group can change the truth of such a dark page in Serbian History.
"As I have often written, many Serbs would like that Srebrenica genocide never happened, but it did, just as the Armenian genocide, the Rwanda genocide, or the Cambodian genocide. It is human but, unfortunately for all honest Serbs, the Bosnian genocide happened in 1995, of course, with a number inferior to the other enumerated genocides, but Srebrenica is another of too many genocides, in the XXe century, and all Serbs would have to deal with this and with their own history."
There are some very good elements to this point. Firstly, that many (I would agrue most) Serbs wish that Srebrenica did not happen is very true. I would argue that the majority of peoples living on former Yugoslav territory did not wish for the crimes committed by extremists in history- such as Jasenovac (which I highly doubt a majority of average Croats of the time would vote for in a referendum)
It is also good that the facts of the war established by World Courts and Trubunals are respected in this comment- in referring to Srebrenica in 1995 as the example of genocide you distance yourself from Bosniak propaganda of a genocide across all of Bosnia. Good for you in sticking to the facts.
I certainly agree that on a political level Serbs will have to deal with the issue for some time to come. This is why it is important for perpetrators to be brought to justice or for those accused to prove their innocence in front of the world. So that criminals are rightfully punished and isolated from the rest of their societies of which contain mostly people who find mass murder abhorrant.
«Since you have no intention of reading the substantiated truth...»
I have read all the substantiated documents but, is it the truth, as you assert! Only God knows. How would you know? How can you affirm that they documents are the «substantiated truth»? Is it because a group of searchers and intellectuals are saying so?
I must admit that the documents present a certain version of what happened, but who knows if the documents report the truth. This has to be proven.
Don't worry, I am not that kind of persons who put their head in the sand so that they will not see or hear the truth. I'm always the one looks-out for the truth, all the truth, nothing but the truth. And I can easily adjust to the truth when I am presented to it, through documents or testimonies. On the other hand, I remain sceptic and do not accept easily documents and facts only because a few 'searchers' pretend to detain the whole truth.
As for Srebrenica, I abide with the ICTY documents and all that have been disclosed by Serb officers and soldier; and all the witnesses who testified about these crual events.
As for the exact number of Serbs killed during the war in and around Srebrenica, I know that Serbs use frequently the 4000 figure, but I know of no objective source that maintain the figure.
We all know where these war criminals are - in Bosnia, which is being protected by the UN. So if anyone wants them, they know exactly where to go. Obviously Carla doesn't want them that badly. She's visited Beograd enough times to see concerts, etc. Perhaps this trip is to go shopping in the new mall?
Roger, The following message was addressed to Kate and not Hate. This mistake is a lack of attention and I apologize to Kate. Kate is one of the Serb posters that I respect.
Kate,
It is of common knowledge that Kostunica and Karadzic are good friend? Would you sent your best friend to The Hague?
Mrs Del Ponte is getting naive; it's about time she leaves. I don'tunderstand how she can be satisfied when we all know that Kostunica knows where Karadzic is.
Perhaps she finally got around to delving into comprehensive and independent Western research on the matter:
www.srebrenica-report.com/
Also, while you are throwing stones from your glass house, please comment on this letter written to beatified Zagreb Archbishop Stepinac in the following link. www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/massacre.html
Are Croat evil, racsist & fiendish works of WWII still worth blithly dismissing while you bash the Serbian nation without the burden of proof as logically, statistically & ethically demonstrated in the first link?
Victor says..."Matthew, I have already explained myself many times on this topic... as you know.
Hate,"
Just hate, Victor?
How often we have read your words and are subjected to your rants when pertaining to the Serbs such as rape, criminals, atrocities, genocide, slaughter of innocents and murder but now that it is Croats you simply state, hate.
«Perhaps she finally got around to delving into comprehensive and independent Western research on the matter».
As I have often written, many Serbs would like that Srebrenica genocide never happened, but it did, just as the Armenian genocide, the Rwanda genocide, or the Cambodian genocide. It is human but, unfortunately for all honest Serbs, the Bosnian genocide happened in 1995, of course, with a number inferior to the other enumerated genocides, but Srebrenica is another of too many genocides, in the XXe century, and all Serbs would have to deal with this and with their own history.
In July 1995, 1000s of Bosniaks tried to leave the Srebrenica enclave, and they failed. They were captured and all were associated with soldiers, when they were civilians. And when Karadzic and Mladic were informed that many had surrendered or had been caught, the orders were sound and clear:
« -- KILL THEM ALL!»
That's what happened, as so many Serb officers clearly stated, and no research group can change the truth of such a dark page in Serbian History.
Roger, The following message was addressed to Kate and not Hate. This mistake is a lack of attention and I apologize to Kate. Kate is one of the Serb posters that I respect.
Kate,
It is of common knowledge that Kostunica and Karadzic are good friend? Would you sent your best friend to The Hague?
"As I have often written, many Serbs would like that Srebrenica genocide never happened, but it did, just as the Armenian genocide, the Rwanda genocide, or the Cambodian genocide. It is human but, unfortunately for all honest Serbs, the Bosnian genocide happened in 1995, of course, with a number inferior to the other enumerated genocides, but Srebrenica is another of too many genocides, in the XXe century, and all Serbs would have to deal with this and with their own history."
There are some very good elements to this point. Firstly, that many (I would agrue most) Serbs wish that Srebrenica did not happen is very true. I would argue that the majority of peoples living on former Yugoslav territory did not wish for the crimes committed by extremists in history- such as Jasenovac (which I highly doubt a majority of average Croats of the time would vote for in a referendum)
It is also good that the facts of the war established by World Courts and Trubunals are respected in this comment- in referring to Srebrenica in 1995 as the example of genocide you distance yourself from Bosniak propaganda of a genocide across all of Bosnia. Good for you in sticking to the facts.
I certainly agree that on a political level Serbs will have to deal with the issue for some time to come. This is why it is important for perpetrators to be brought to justice or for those accused to prove their innocence in front of the world. So that criminals are rightfully punished and isolated from the rest of their societies of which contain mostly people who find mass murder abhorrant.
Since you have no intention of reading the substantiated truth, your only alternative will continue to be to bury your head in the sand holding firm the fixed ideas planted in your head of the Yugo-wars. You say, in essence, "No more research required!! The first conclusion pointing guilt to the Serbs is the one that is good enough for me."
To summarize the research, Serbs DID kill about 3000 - 4000 Muslims there AFTER Nasir Oric's (soi-disant "killer of Serbs") men had killed nearly an equal amount of Serbs ambushed repeatedly over the course of several months in the surrounding of Srebrenica from the confines of the Srebrenica safe-haven with the express purpose of provocing a retaliatory Serb attack. Exact numbers of Serbs and Muslims killed in and around Srebrencia are provided. At was at that point in time when the Serbs didn't care anymore about observing the sanctity of the "safe-haven" that Izetbegovic removed his commanding officers from Srebrenica and had the CNN cameras turned on to catch the certain blood bath. How cunning and expeditious of the Muslim extremist tyrant. Victor, that is the truth. It is substantiated and made easily verifiable. But, we know what you purposes are in your comments on topics such as this one: deflect attention for maniacal, berserk ethnic cleansing and slaughter away from Croats and onto the victims of Croat ethnic cleansing campaigns in two wars during the XX century, the Serbs. The Croats' day of reckoning before the mainstream's history books cannot be postponed forever...
«Since you have no intention of reading the substantiated truth...»
I have read all the substantiated documents but, is it the truth, as you assert! Only God knows. How would you know? How can you affirm that they documents are the «substantiated truth»? Is it because a group of searchers and intellectuals are saying so?
I must admit that the documents present a certain version of what happened, but who knows if the documents report the truth. This has to be proven.
Don't worry, I am not that kind of persons who put their head in the sand so that they will not see or hear the truth. I'm always the one looks-out for the truth, all the truth, nothing but the truth. And I can easily adjust to the truth when I am presented to it, through documents or testimonies. On the other hand, I remain sceptic and do not accept easily documents and facts only because a few 'searchers' pretend to detain the whole truth.
As for Srebrenica, I abide with the ICTY documents and all that have been disclosed by Serb officers and soldier; and all the witnesses who testified about these crual events.
As for the exact number of Serbs killed during the war in and around Srebrenica, I know that Serbs use frequently the 4000 figure, but I know of no objective source that maintain the figure.
We all know where these war criminals are - in Bosnia, which is being protected by the UN. So if anyone wants them, they know exactly where to go. Obviously Carla doesn't want them that badly. She's visited Beograd enough times to see concerts, etc. Perhaps this trip is to go shopping in the new mall?
Victor you have no argument here! As usual your rants foster no support. And keep in mind many of your own Croatian countryman were murdered by extremist Muslim Bosnians. There is no one guilty people here, Muslims, Croatians as well as the Serbians share the blame of what happened in Bosnia to proclaim the Serbs as the only or majority guilty party is stupid and hold no water for the educated person! And I have noted that a large number of posters on B92 appear to be quite educated!
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