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Sunday, 19.08.2007.

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“Valley Albanians favor land swap”

Ethic Albanian leaders from the Preševo Valley say redrawing of borders between Kosovo and Serbia proper is a good solution.

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Dimitar

pre 16 godina

Of course Gorani are Macedonian!! They changed their religion because of constant harrassment from the proximate Albanians and Turks. "Bosniaks" opted for Muslim faith for other enticements amd so on. My point is that people should put aside their differences and recognise that we
will always have to live together. GOD loves Soul, not religious denominations! Peace.

Jack

pre 16 godina

You Macedonians and all other Slavs have stolen the land of the
Illyrians, Thracians and Greeks.Ancient Macedonians may not have been Greek at the beginning but when you Slavs arrived in Macedonia ancient Macedonians had ceased to exist, they had been hellenized, there were only Greeks there. As for the Albanians' 'guilt' of being Muslim why don't you Dimitar tell us about the Gorans, MUSLIM 'Macedonians', Bosnians (MUSLIM Serbs) and
Sandjak Bosnians (MUSLIM Serbs and Montenegrins). From what you said I gather you don't consider Gorans 'Macedonians' simply because they are Muslims.

Jack

pre 16 godina

JHam
Azerbaijan is NOT Russia.
Regarding the origins of the Albanians one of the theories is that they are Illyrians' descendents (Illyrians were supposedly a nation akin to Thracians) the other theory is that they are Thracians descendants and that Albanian ancestors' homeland was either Albania, Kosovo and partially Macedonia or northeastern Serbia where they lived close to the romanized Thracians (Romanians). This is why Romanian and Albanian share a few hundred Thracian/Illyrian words together with a few hundred Latin words.

Dimitar

pre 16 godina

Your'e the "different one here" for the simple reason that you're the most recent arrival on the Balkan! The rest of us share historic, cultural ties etc. while the Albanian is the odd man out for the reason that his origins are alien. You took on the Muslim religion to curry favour with the Ottoman power structure, your language, though containing many additives adopted from your neighbours, speaks of entirely different origins. The way to fit in is to go with the flow, to create goodwill toward your neighbours, not to adopt aggressive disrespectful attitudes and especially not to steal our land! As a young nation spiritually, however, you have yet to understand what I have just written. For example, the Macedonians, through centuries of servitude, have learnt that we must all live together. Tell me, am I wrong?

Dimitar

pre 16 godina

No Johny, all of your neighbours' accumulating bad will is due to the actions of nationalistic Albanians for decades now!! It's good that you recognise that you are surrounded in a "sea of hostility" however, because believe me there is very little patience left with the Albanian agenda. If you continue toward "unnatural Albania" I can guarantee you will see your neighbours putting their differences aside to form a strategy to confront your expansionist threat. Not only is the Serbian army worldclass, but the Macedonian army is totally proffessional and updated, having cut it's teeth in highly acclaimed missions in Iraq, Afghanistan and Bosnia.

Destan Belaxhia

pre 16 godina

That just tells how much Valley Albanians love to live in Serbia. If Serbia had built some businesses and infrastructure instead of sending gendarmerie and military troops as it is seen on this photograph, I am sure some of the Valley Albanians would have had second thoughts. But as it is, the Valley Albanians are going to want either a land swap, similiar rights to Kosova Serbs.

Personaly, I believe land swap is the best sollution to a lasting peace, but Serbs are used to making mistakes, and this oportunity definetly won't last forever.

JHam

pre 16 godina

Ahmet Isufi, regarding Prizren;

"In a war with the Crusaders against the Byzantine Empire, Serbian Duke Stefan Nemanja conquered Prizren in 1189, but after the defeat of 1191, had to give the city back to the Byzantines. The City was taken by the Bulgarian Czardom in 1204, although, it was finally seized by Grand Prince Stefan II Nemanjić in 1208 during his quarrels with the Bulgarian Czardom.

Serb King Stefan Milutin raised the Temple of Our Holy Lady of Ljeviš in Prizren which became the seat of the Serbian Orthodox Christian Prizren Episcopate. During the reign of Emperor Stefan Dušan throughout the 14th century, Prizren had the Imperial Court and was the political center of the Tsardom. Serb King/Tsar Dušan raised the massive Monastery of Saint Archangel near the City in 1343-1352. In the vicinity of Prizren was Ribnik - a town where the two Serbian Emperors had their Courts. The city of Prizren became known as the Serbian Carigrad because of its trading and industrial importance. It was the centre of production of silk, fine trades and a colony of merchants from Kotor and Dubrovnik. In the 14th century in Prizren was the seat of the Ragusan Consule for the entire Serb monarchy."
[link]/

Thus, Prizren was controlled also under Bulgarians or Byzantines prior to it becoming the Serbian capital.

Of course you would prefer it that history was not what it is but if anything there is no mention of a "Albanian" nation in the region only Serbian, Bulgarian or Byzantine - who were the Eastern Romans - so the natural rulers of Illyria and all of Eastern Rome no mention in entiquity of "Albanians" what so ever. How "Albanians" came to the region is a bit of a mystery still but one theory is that "Albanians" came from the present day region of Azerbijan which was inhabited by a tribe known as "Albanians". [link]
LOL very interesting article so that means if the link is true Albanians also travel here from Russia LOL. Damn i cannot wait to read Ahmet response or he maybe busy working on another project.

GSP

pre 16 godina

Here we go, tit for tat once again -

Ida - you've done a wonderful job (no sarcasm intended, really!)

Furthermore - what a number of albanianas fail to remember is that KosovO is Serbian geographical land - irregardless of your empty fantasies!

Cheers!

Jovan

pre 16 godina

great Job Ida!

you provoked those albanian teenage-rambo´s to slip their mask...

but, on the other side...I do not even wonder...since they are being duped all the time, by their "friends", the "one and only global superpower" ...

johny

pre 16 godina

Unfortunately the Albanians in the Balkans live in a sea of hostility coming from all our Balkan neighbors. We are the different ones there. Our religions are different, our culture is different and our language is different from all our neighbors. Our position there is similar to that of Israel in the middle east since it too is in the middle of hostile neighbors. It too has a different language, culture and religion from its neighbors. So being quiet serves nothing to Albanians. We would never get any freedoms if we didn't complain and when necessary if we hadn't taken up arms to defend our rights and to defend our freedoms. That is simply how things stand. We are dealing with Balkan nations here and Gandism brings you nothing.

Tommy

pre 16 godina

Ah the Albanians at it again. First, Ahmet, the VMRO-DPMNE called for a land swap of the Tetovo region if the Albanians gave up all of Ohrid and the thousands of Macedonians still there. Second, the VMRO has lost its muscle since it decided to form a caolition twice with Albanian parties. So don't act like the Macedonians are widel behind a pro-Bulgarian party.

Like I and many have said, violence is the only card you Albanians have to play. The West just wants this headache to go away....

Barry Woods

pre 16 godina

Ahmet Isufi, regarding Prizren;

"In a war with the Crusaders against the Byzantine Empire, Serbian Duke Stefan Nemanja conquered Prizren in 1189, but after the defeat of 1191, had to give the city back to the Byzantines. The City was taken by the Bulgarian Czardom in 1204, although, it was finally seized by Grand Prince Stefan II Nemanjić in 1208 during his quarrels with the Bulgarian Czardom.

Serb King Stefan Milutin raised the Temple of Our Holy Lady of Ljeviš in Prizren which became the seat of the Serbian Orthodox Christian Prizren Episcopate. During the reign of Emperor Stefan Dušan throughout the 14th century, Prizren had the Imperial Court and was the political center of the Tsardom. Serb King/Tsar Dušan raised the massive Monastery of Saint Archangel near the City in 1343-1352. In the vicinity of Prizren was Ribnik - a town where the two Serbian Emperors had their Courts. The city of Prizren became known as the Serbian Carigrad because of its trading and industrial importance. It was the centre of production of silk, fine trades and a colony of merchants from Kotor and Dubrovnik. In the 14th century in Prizren was the seat of the Ragusan Consule for the entire Serb monarchy."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/

Thus, Prizren was controlled also under Bulgarians or Byzantines prior to it becoming the Serbian capital.

Of course you would prefer it that history was not what it is but if anything there is no mention of a "Albanian" nation in the region only Serbian, Bulgarian or Byzantine - who were the Eastern Romans - so the natural rulers of Illyria and all of Eastern Rome no mention in entiquity of "Albanians" what so ever. How "Albanians" came to the region is a bit of a mystery still but one theory is that "Albanians" came from the present day region of Azerbijan which was inhabited by a tribe known as "Albanians". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_Albania

Lazar

pre 16 godina

Sure they like it. But valley regions such as Bujanovac had a majority of serbs in 1961. If these albanians have 10 kids each then it is best for them to wait another 100 years and they will be the majority in all of serbia. If it were not for their demographic boom they would not be a majority in the valley or in Kosmet.

Michael

pre 16 godina

Again..same rhetoric containing threats, intimidation, and outright hostility towards it's neighbors (Greece, Macedonia, Serbia..RUSSIA)when they don't get what they want. Certainly in today's climate, let us remind you that along with the disasterous conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan.. NATO nor the US can muster the man power, budgets, and political and social will to get involved in another land war for Kosovo...It's simply not going to happen. (Presidental Debates don't even mention Kosovo in Presidential debates as of yesterday) Perhaps Ahmet you should suggest a coordinated attack on civilians in order to get back in the forefront of political debate in Washington, for that is where the your master resides.

SaveKosova

pre 16 godina

Albanians should go back to Albania if they can't live in peace with Serbs.
(ida, 19. August 2007 14:11)

Why don't you go to the URAL MTS to 'mother russia.' They need ppl over there, median age for men = 59yrs old (thats LOW!!).

K. Delvinsky

pre 16 godina

Then why do you Albanians go to Greece to do menial jobs ? Why don't you Kosovar Albanians go to mother Albania if you think they need you there to lift themselves up from the abject poverty they're in. If Russia is really in need of workers ,there'll be thousands of Albanians queuing up to get on the first plane to toil in Russia.

jeju

pre 16 godina

“would contribute to the preservation of peace in the entire Balkans"

Well why stop at Serbia, let's ask what the Macedonians want, what the Greeks want, what the Croats want, what Bosnians want...who else is there? Why should only the Albanians and Serbs have all the fun?

Ahmet

pre 16 godina

WOW...now there's a real surprise....the Albanians are in favor of redrawing borders, could it possibly be for the formation of their "Greater Albania" ? Who the hell are their threats of violence going to scare, the Serbs ? Gimme a break.
(VMRO, 19. August 2007 15:39)

Sorry but do you know that Macedonian Party caleld VMRO DPMNE is in favor of redrawing borders. Plans to divice Kosovo existed long time ago in offices of Belgrade. And at last Ragmi is the last one to mention redrawing of the borders. This Idea has been circulated since a while.

But anyway we (Kosovo) don't have what to trade for.

ahmet isufi

pre 16 godina

Prizren was the capital of serbian empire. hahahah, Can you tell me about serbian empire , Please I am dying to know, when serbia was an empire and how Prizren was its capital. I hope Kate, Rade, Svoje gazda,cvele and other would show some support to you and maybe they have facts to support you.

lowe

pre 16 godina

"Former Kosovo prime minister Bajram Rexhepi said Friday that Priština could agree to partitioning of the province only if it gets the municipalities of Preševo, Bujanovac and Medveđa in the Preševo Valley in Serbia's south."

Doesn't Rexhepi even know that Medveda has a clear SERB majority?

Ahmet

pre 16 godina

Kosovo was established by the Serbs. All of Kosovo's towns and cities were named and built up by Serbs.

In the Middle Ages, Prizren was the capital of the Serbian Empire.

Any good book on the Byzantine Empire will detail Serbian royalty and history in Kosovo.

Albanians should go back to Albania if they can't live in peace with Serbs.
(ida, 19. August 2007 14:11)

Should we look history the why we don't look some 17 centuries ago when there were no Slavic population in Balkan penisula.

VMRO

pre 16 godina

WOW...now there's a real surprise....the Albanians are in favor of redrawing borders, could it possibly be for the formation of their "Greater Albania" ? Who the hell are their threats of violence going to scare, the Serbs ? Gimme a break.

Jack

pre 16 godina

ida: Kosovo was established by the Serbs. All of Kosovo's towns and cities were named and built up by Serbs.
In the Middle Ages, Prizren was the capital of the Serbian Empire.
Let's say no Albanians or Albanian ancestors had lived in Kosova before the Slavs came to the Balkans. Let's say the first inhabitants of Kosova were the Slavs (Illyrians don't count since we accept the idea that the Albanians are not their descendants)
Guess what Belgrade was a Bulgarian city long before being Serbian.
Things change. Live with it.
It's time for Albanian self-determination just like the Serbs in Austria-Hungary (Vojvodina) had the right to self-determination at the end of
world war 1.

Alban

pre 16 godina

Ida, how about Serbs to go northward in Serbia if they can't live with over 90% Albanians in sovereign Kosova?!!! :). I think this is easier than your proposal :)

ida

pre 16 godina

Kosovo was established by the Serbs. All of Kosovo's towns and cities were named and built up by Serbs.

In the Middle Ages, Prizren was the capital of the Serbian Empire.

Any good book on the Byzantine Empire will detail Serbian royalty and history in Kosovo.

Albanians should go back to Albania if they can't live in peace with Serbs.

Rade

pre 16 godina

The newspaper quoted Preševo municipal president Ragmi Mustafa as saying “it would contribute to the preservation of peace in the entire Balkans that, if crucial factors managed to agree on and support the swap of the territory.”

A swap? With the Kosovo Albanian leadership? But they have nothing to swap. They don't have any sovereign territory to offer in exchange.

Cheap tricks like that don’t even work at flea-markets or in schoolyards these days. Even children are too sophisticated to fall for that old routine.

The only thing the Kosovo Albanian leadership can do is threaten violence. On the other hand, the military option disappeared when NATO stepped in.

Ragmi, stop daydreaming and get back to work.

ida

pre 16 godina

Kosovo was established by the Serbs. All of Kosovo's towns and cities were named and built up by Serbs.

In the Middle Ages, Prizren was the capital of the Serbian Empire.

Any good book on the Byzantine Empire will detail Serbian royalty and history in Kosovo.

Albanians should go back to Albania if they can't live in peace with Serbs.

Rade

pre 16 godina

The newspaper quoted Preševo municipal president Ragmi Mustafa as saying “it would contribute to the preservation of peace in the entire Balkans that, if crucial factors managed to agree on and support the swap of the territory.”

A swap? With the Kosovo Albanian leadership? But they have nothing to swap. They don't have any sovereign territory to offer in exchange.

Cheap tricks like that don’t even work at flea-markets or in schoolyards these days. Even children are too sophisticated to fall for that old routine.

The only thing the Kosovo Albanian leadership can do is threaten violence. On the other hand, the military option disappeared when NATO stepped in.

Ragmi, stop daydreaming and get back to work.

VMRO

pre 16 godina

WOW...now there's a real surprise....the Albanians are in favor of redrawing borders, could it possibly be for the formation of their "Greater Albania" ? Who the hell are their threats of violence going to scare, the Serbs ? Gimme a break.

Jack

pre 16 godina

ida: Kosovo was established by the Serbs. All of Kosovo's towns and cities were named and built up by Serbs.
In the Middle Ages, Prizren was the capital of the Serbian Empire.
Let's say no Albanians or Albanian ancestors had lived in Kosova before the Slavs came to the Balkans. Let's say the first inhabitants of Kosova were the Slavs (Illyrians don't count since we accept the idea that the Albanians are not their descendants)
Guess what Belgrade was a Bulgarian city long before being Serbian.
Things change. Live with it.
It's time for Albanian self-determination just like the Serbs in Austria-Hungary (Vojvodina) had the right to self-determination at the end of
world war 1.

lowe

pre 16 godina

"Former Kosovo prime minister Bajram Rexhepi said Friday that Priština could agree to partitioning of the province only if it gets the municipalities of Preševo, Bujanovac and Medveđa in the Preševo Valley in Serbia's south."

Doesn't Rexhepi even know that Medveda has a clear SERB majority?

Ahmet

pre 16 godina

Kosovo was established by the Serbs. All of Kosovo's towns and cities were named and built up by Serbs.

In the Middle Ages, Prizren was the capital of the Serbian Empire.

Any good book on the Byzantine Empire will detail Serbian royalty and history in Kosovo.

Albanians should go back to Albania if they can't live in peace with Serbs.
(ida, 19. August 2007 14:11)

Should we look history the why we don't look some 17 centuries ago when there were no Slavic population in Balkan penisula.

SaveKosova

pre 16 godina

Albanians should go back to Albania if they can't live in peace with Serbs.
(ida, 19. August 2007 14:11)

Why don't you go to the URAL MTS to 'mother russia.' They need ppl over there, median age for men = 59yrs old (thats LOW!!).

Alban

pre 16 godina

Ida, how about Serbs to go northward in Serbia if they can't live with over 90% Albanians in sovereign Kosova?!!! :). I think this is easier than your proposal :)

Barry Woods

pre 16 godina

Ahmet Isufi, regarding Prizren;

"In a war with the Crusaders against the Byzantine Empire, Serbian Duke Stefan Nemanja conquered Prizren in 1189, but after the defeat of 1191, had to give the city back to the Byzantines. The City was taken by the Bulgarian Czardom in 1204, although, it was finally seized by Grand Prince Stefan II Nemanjić in 1208 during his quarrels with the Bulgarian Czardom.

Serb King Stefan Milutin raised the Temple of Our Holy Lady of Ljeviš in Prizren which became the seat of the Serbian Orthodox Christian Prizren Episcopate. During the reign of Emperor Stefan Dušan throughout the 14th century, Prizren had the Imperial Court and was the political center of the Tsardom. Serb King/Tsar Dušan raised the massive Monastery of Saint Archangel near the City in 1343-1352. In the vicinity of Prizren was Ribnik - a town where the two Serbian Emperors had their Courts. The city of Prizren became known as the Serbian Carigrad because of its trading and industrial importance. It was the centre of production of silk, fine trades and a colony of merchants from Kotor and Dubrovnik. In the 14th century in Prizren was the seat of the Ragusan Consule for the entire Serb monarchy."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/

Thus, Prizren was controlled also under Bulgarians or Byzantines prior to it becoming the Serbian capital.

Of course you would prefer it that history was not what it is but if anything there is no mention of a "Albanian" nation in the region only Serbian, Bulgarian or Byzantine - who were the Eastern Romans - so the natural rulers of Illyria and all of Eastern Rome no mention in entiquity of "Albanians" what so ever. How "Albanians" came to the region is a bit of a mystery still but one theory is that "Albanians" came from the present day region of Azerbijan which was inhabited by a tribe known as "Albanians". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_Albania

Tommy

pre 16 godina

Ah the Albanians at it again. First, Ahmet, the VMRO-DPMNE called for a land swap of the Tetovo region if the Albanians gave up all of Ohrid and the thousands of Macedonians still there. Second, the VMRO has lost its muscle since it decided to form a caolition twice with Albanian parties. So don't act like the Macedonians are widel behind a pro-Bulgarian party.

Like I and many have said, violence is the only card you Albanians have to play. The West just wants this headache to go away....

ahmet isufi

pre 16 godina

Prizren was the capital of serbian empire. hahahah, Can you tell me about serbian empire , Please I am dying to know, when serbia was an empire and how Prizren was its capital. I hope Kate, Rade, Svoje gazda,cvele and other would show some support to you and maybe they have facts to support you.

Lazar

pre 16 godina

Sure they like it. But valley regions such as Bujanovac had a majority of serbs in 1961. If these albanians have 10 kids each then it is best for them to wait another 100 years and they will be the majority in all of serbia. If it were not for their demographic boom they would not be a majority in the valley or in Kosmet.

Jovan

pre 16 godina

great Job Ida!

you provoked those albanian teenage-rambo´s to slip their mask...

but, on the other side...I do not even wonder...since they are being duped all the time, by their "friends", the "one and only global superpower" ...

Ahmet

pre 16 godina

WOW...now there's a real surprise....the Albanians are in favor of redrawing borders, could it possibly be for the formation of their "Greater Albania" ? Who the hell are their threats of violence going to scare, the Serbs ? Gimme a break.
(VMRO, 19. August 2007 15:39)

Sorry but do you know that Macedonian Party caleld VMRO DPMNE is in favor of redrawing borders. Plans to divice Kosovo existed long time ago in offices of Belgrade. And at last Ragmi is the last one to mention redrawing of the borders. This Idea has been circulated since a while.

But anyway we (Kosovo) don't have what to trade for.

K. Delvinsky

pre 16 godina

Then why do you Albanians go to Greece to do menial jobs ? Why don't you Kosovar Albanians go to mother Albania if you think they need you there to lift themselves up from the abject poverty they're in. If Russia is really in need of workers ,there'll be thousands of Albanians queuing up to get on the first plane to toil in Russia.

Michael

pre 16 godina

Again..same rhetoric containing threats, intimidation, and outright hostility towards it's neighbors (Greece, Macedonia, Serbia..RUSSIA)when they don't get what they want. Certainly in today's climate, let us remind you that along with the disasterous conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan.. NATO nor the US can muster the man power, budgets, and political and social will to get involved in another land war for Kosovo...It's simply not going to happen. (Presidental Debates don't even mention Kosovo in Presidential debates as of yesterday) Perhaps Ahmet you should suggest a coordinated attack on civilians in order to get back in the forefront of political debate in Washington, for that is where the your master resides.

Dimitar

pre 16 godina

No Johny, all of your neighbours' accumulating bad will is due to the actions of nationalistic Albanians for decades now!! It's good that you recognise that you are surrounded in a "sea of hostility" however, because believe me there is very little patience left with the Albanian agenda. If you continue toward "unnatural Albania" I can guarantee you will see your neighbours putting their differences aside to form a strategy to confront your expansionist threat. Not only is the Serbian army worldclass, but the Macedonian army is totally proffessional and updated, having cut it's teeth in highly acclaimed missions in Iraq, Afghanistan and Bosnia.

johny

pre 16 godina

Unfortunately the Albanians in the Balkans live in a sea of hostility coming from all our Balkan neighbors. We are the different ones there. Our religions are different, our culture is different and our language is different from all our neighbors. Our position there is similar to that of Israel in the middle east since it too is in the middle of hostile neighbors. It too has a different language, culture and religion from its neighbors. So being quiet serves nothing to Albanians. We would never get any freedoms if we didn't complain and when necessary if we hadn't taken up arms to defend our rights and to defend our freedoms. That is simply how things stand. We are dealing with Balkan nations here and Gandism brings you nothing.

JHam

pre 16 godina

Ahmet Isufi, regarding Prizren;

"In a war with the Crusaders against the Byzantine Empire, Serbian Duke Stefan Nemanja conquered Prizren in 1189, but after the defeat of 1191, had to give the city back to the Byzantines. The City was taken by the Bulgarian Czardom in 1204, although, it was finally seized by Grand Prince Stefan II Nemanjić in 1208 during his quarrels with the Bulgarian Czardom.

Serb King Stefan Milutin raised the Temple of Our Holy Lady of Ljeviš in Prizren which became the seat of the Serbian Orthodox Christian Prizren Episcopate. During the reign of Emperor Stefan Dušan throughout the 14th century, Prizren had the Imperial Court and was the political center of the Tsardom. Serb King/Tsar Dušan raised the massive Monastery of Saint Archangel near the City in 1343-1352. In the vicinity of Prizren was Ribnik - a town where the two Serbian Emperors had their Courts. The city of Prizren became known as the Serbian Carigrad because of its trading and industrial importance. It was the centre of production of silk, fine trades and a colony of merchants from Kotor and Dubrovnik. In the 14th century in Prizren was the seat of the Ragusan Consule for the entire Serb monarchy."
[link]/

Thus, Prizren was controlled also under Bulgarians or Byzantines prior to it becoming the Serbian capital.

Of course you would prefer it that history was not what it is but if anything there is no mention of a "Albanian" nation in the region only Serbian, Bulgarian or Byzantine - who were the Eastern Romans - so the natural rulers of Illyria and all of Eastern Rome no mention in entiquity of "Albanians" what so ever. How "Albanians" came to the region is a bit of a mystery still but one theory is that "Albanians" came from the present day region of Azerbijan which was inhabited by a tribe known as "Albanians". [link]
LOL very interesting article so that means if the link is true Albanians also travel here from Russia LOL. Damn i cannot wait to read Ahmet response or he maybe busy working on another project.

GSP

pre 16 godina

Here we go, tit for tat once again -

Ida - you've done a wonderful job (no sarcasm intended, really!)

Furthermore - what a number of albanianas fail to remember is that KosovO is Serbian geographical land - irregardless of your empty fantasies!

Cheers!

Jack

pre 16 godina

JHam
Azerbaijan is NOT Russia.
Regarding the origins of the Albanians one of the theories is that they are Illyrians' descendents (Illyrians were supposedly a nation akin to Thracians) the other theory is that they are Thracians descendants and that Albanian ancestors' homeland was either Albania, Kosovo and partially Macedonia or northeastern Serbia where they lived close to the romanized Thracians (Romanians). This is why Romanian and Albanian share a few hundred Thracian/Illyrian words together with a few hundred Latin words.

jeju

pre 16 godina

“would contribute to the preservation of peace in the entire Balkans"

Well why stop at Serbia, let's ask what the Macedonians want, what the Greeks want, what the Croats want, what Bosnians want...who else is there? Why should only the Albanians and Serbs have all the fun?

Destan Belaxhia

pre 16 godina

That just tells how much Valley Albanians love to live in Serbia. If Serbia had built some businesses and infrastructure instead of sending gendarmerie and military troops as it is seen on this photograph, I am sure some of the Valley Albanians would have had second thoughts. But as it is, the Valley Albanians are going to want either a land swap, similiar rights to Kosova Serbs.

Personaly, I believe land swap is the best sollution to a lasting peace, but Serbs are used to making mistakes, and this oportunity definetly won't last forever.

Dimitar

pre 16 godina

Your'e the "different one here" for the simple reason that you're the most recent arrival on the Balkan! The rest of us share historic, cultural ties etc. while the Albanian is the odd man out for the reason that his origins are alien. You took on the Muslim religion to curry favour with the Ottoman power structure, your language, though containing many additives adopted from your neighbours, speaks of entirely different origins. The way to fit in is to go with the flow, to create goodwill toward your neighbours, not to adopt aggressive disrespectful attitudes and especially not to steal our land! As a young nation spiritually, however, you have yet to understand what I have just written. For example, the Macedonians, through centuries of servitude, have learnt that we must all live together. Tell me, am I wrong?

Dimitar

pre 16 godina

Of course Gorani are Macedonian!! They changed their religion because of constant harrassment from the proximate Albanians and Turks. "Bosniaks" opted for Muslim faith for other enticements amd so on. My point is that people should put aside their differences and recognise that we
will always have to live together. GOD loves Soul, not religious denominations! Peace.

Jack

pre 16 godina

You Macedonians and all other Slavs have stolen the land of the
Illyrians, Thracians and Greeks.Ancient Macedonians may not have been Greek at the beginning but when you Slavs arrived in Macedonia ancient Macedonians had ceased to exist, they had been hellenized, there were only Greeks there. As for the Albanians' 'guilt' of being Muslim why don't you Dimitar tell us about the Gorans, MUSLIM 'Macedonians', Bosnians (MUSLIM Serbs) and
Sandjak Bosnians (MUSLIM Serbs and Montenegrins). From what you said I gather you don't consider Gorans 'Macedonians' simply because they are Muslims.

ida

pre 16 godina

Kosovo was established by the Serbs. All of Kosovo's towns and cities were named and built up by Serbs.

In the Middle Ages, Prizren was the capital of the Serbian Empire.

Any good book on the Byzantine Empire will detail Serbian royalty and history in Kosovo.

Albanians should go back to Albania if they can't live in peace with Serbs.

Alban

pre 16 godina

Ida, how about Serbs to go northward in Serbia if they can't live with over 90% Albanians in sovereign Kosova?!!! :). I think this is easier than your proposal :)

SaveKosova

pre 16 godina

Albanians should go back to Albania if they can't live in peace with Serbs.
(ida, 19. August 2007 14:11)

Why don't you go to the URAL MTS to 'mother russia.' They need ppl over there, median age for men = 59yrs old (thats LOW!!).

Jack

pre 16 godina

ida: Kosovo was established by the Serbs. All of Kosovo's towns and cities were named and built up by Serbs.
In the Middle Ages, Prizren was the capital of the Serbian Empire.
Let's say no Albanians or Albanian ancestors had lived in Kosova before the Slavs came to the Balkans. Let's say the first inhabitants of Kosova were the Slavs (Illyrians don't count since we accept the idea that the Albanians are not their descendants)
Guess what Belgrade was a Bulgarian city long before being Serbian.
Things change. Live with it.
It's time for Albanian self-determination just like the Serbs in Austria-Hungary (Vojvodina) had the right to self-determination at the end of
world war 1.

Ahmet

pre 16 godina

Kosovo was established by the Serbs. All of Kosovo's towns and cities were named and built up by Serbs.

In the Middle Ages, Prizren was the capital of the Serbian Empire.

Any good book on the Byzantine Empire will detail Serbian royalty and history in Kosovo.

Albanians should go back to Albania if they can't live in peace with Serbs.
(ida, 19. August 2007 14:11)

Should we look history the why we don't look some 17 centuries ago when there were no Slavic population in Balkan penisula.

ahmet isufi

pre 16 godina

Prizren was the capital of serbian empire. hahahah, Can you tell me about serbian empire , Please I am dying to know, when serbia was an empire and how Prizren was its capital. I hope Kate, Rade, Svoje gazda,cvele and other would show some support to you and maybe they have facts to support you.

Rade

pre 16 godina

The newspaper quoted Preševo municipal president Ragmi Mustafa as saying “it would contribute to the preservation of peace in the entire Balkans that, if crucial factors managed to agree on and support the swap of the territory.”

A swap? With the Kosovo Albanian leadership? But they have nothing to swap. They don't have any sovereign territory to offer in exchange.

Cheap tricks like that don’t even work at flea-markets or in schoolyards these days. Even children are too sophisticated to fall for that old routine.

The only thing the Kosovo Albanian leadership can do is threaten violence. On the other hand, the military option disappeared when NATO stepped in.

Ragmi, stop daydreaming and get back to work.

Ahmet

pre 16 godina

WOW...now there's a real surprise....the Albanians are in favor of redrawing borders, could it possibly be for the formation of their "Greater Albania" ? Who the hell are their threats of violence going to scare, the Serbs ? Gimme a break.
(VMRO, 19. August 2007 15:39)

Sorry but do you know that Macedonian Party caleld VMRO DPMNE is in favor of redrawing borders. Plans to divice Kosovo existed long time ago in offices of Belgrade. And at last Ragmi is the last one to mention redrawing of the borders. This Idea has been circulated since a while.

But anyway we (Kosovo) don't have what to trade for.

K. Delvinsky

pre 16 godina

Then why do you Albanians go to Greece to do menial jobs ? Why don't you Kosovar Albanians go to mother Albania if you think they need you there to lift themselves up from the abject poverty they're in. If Russia is really in need of workers ,there'll be thousands of Albanians queuing up to get on the first plane to toil in Russia.

Jovan

pre 16 godina

great Job Ida!

you provoked those albanian teenage-rambo´s to slip their mask...

but, on the other side...I do not even wonder...since they are being duped all the time, by their "friends", the "one and only global superpower" ...

VMRO

pre 16 godina

WOW...now there's a real surprise....the Albanians are in favor of redrawing borders, could it possibly be for the formation of their "Greater Albania" ? Who the hell are their threats of violence going to scare, the Serbs ? Gimme a break.

lowe

pre 16 godina

"Former Kosovo prime minister Bajram Rexhepi said Friday that Priština could agree to partitioning of the province only if it gets the municipalities of Preševo, Bujanovac and Medveđa in the Preševo Valley in Serbia's south."

Doesn't Rexhepi even know that Medveda has a clear SERB majority?

Lazar

pre 16 godina

Sure they like it. But valley regions such as Bujanovac had a majority of serbs in 1961. If these albanians have 10 kids each then it is best for them to wait another 100 years and they will be the majority in all of serbia. If it were not for their demographic boom they would not be a majority in the valley or in Kosmet.

Michael

pre 16 godina

Again..same rhetoric containing threats, intimidation, and outright hostility towards it's neighbors (Greece, Macedonia, Serbia..RUSSIA)when they don't get what they want. Certainly in today's climate, let us remind you that along with the disasterous conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan.. NATO nor the US can muster the man power, budgets, and political and social will to get involved in another land war for Kosovo...It's simply not going to happen. (Presidental Debates don't even mention Kosovo in Presidential debates as of yesterday) Perhaps Ahmet you should suggest a coordinated attack on civilians in order to get back in the forefront of political debate in Washington, for that is where the your master resides.

Tommy

pre 16 godina

Ah the Albanians at it again. First, Ahmet, the VMRO-DPMNE called for a land swap of the Tetovo region if the Albanians gave up all of Ohrid and the thousands of Macedonians still there. Second, the VMRO has lost its muscle since it decided to form a caolition twice with Albanian parties. So don't act like the Macedonians are widel behind a pro-Bulgarian party.

Like I and many have said, violence is the only card you Albanians have to play. The West just wants this headache to go away....

johny

pre 16 godina

Unfortunately the Albanians in the Balkans live in a sea of hostility coming from all our Balkan neighbors. We are the different ones there. Our religions are different, our culture is different and our language is different from all our neighbors. Our position there is similar to that of Israel in the middle east since it too is in the middle of hostile neighbors. It too has a different language, culture and religion from its neighbors. So being quiet serves nothing to Albanians. We would never get any freedoms if we didn't complain and when necessary if we hadn't taken up arms to defend our rights and to defend our freedoms. That is simply how things stand. We are dealing with Balkan nations here and Gandism brings you nothing.

JHam

pre 16 godina

Ahmet Isufi, regarding Prizren;

"In a war with the Crusaders against the Byzantine Empire, Serbian Duke Stefan Nemanja conquered Prizren in 1189, but after the defeat of 1191, had to give the city back to the Byzantines. The City was taken by the Bulgarian Czardom in 1204, although, it was finally seized by Grand Prince Stefan II Nemanjić in 1208 during his quarrels with the Bulgarian Czardom.

Serb King Stefan Milutin raised the Temple of Our Holy Lady of Ljeviš in Prizren which became the seat of the Serbian Orthodox Christian Prizren Episcopate. During the reign of Emperor Stefan Dušan throughout the 14th century, Prizren had the Imperial Court and was the political center of the Tsardom. Serb King/Tsar Dušan raised the massive Monastery of Saint Archangel near the City in 1343-1352. In the vicinity of Prizren was Ribnik - a town where the two Serbian Emperors had their Courts. The city of Prizren became known as the Serbian Carigrad because of its trading and industrial importance. It was the centre of production of silk, fine trades and a colony of merchants from Kotor and Dubrovnik. In the 14th century in Prizren was the seat of the Ragusan Consule for the entire Serb monarchy."
[link]/

Thus, Prizren was controlled also under Bulgarians or Byzantines prior to it becoming the Serbian capital.

Of course you would prefer it that history was not what it is but if anything there is no mention of a "Albanian" nation in the region only Serbian, Bulgarian or Byzantine - who were the Eastern Romans - so the natural rulers of Illyria and all of Eastern Rome no mention in entiquity of "Albanians" what so ever. How "Albanians" came to the region is a bit of a mystery still but one theory is that "Albanians" came from the present day region of Azerbijan which was inhabited by a tribe known as "Albanians". [link]
LOL very interesting article so that means if the link is true Albanians also travel here from Russia LOL. Damn i cannot wait to read Ahmet response or he maybe busy working on another project.

GSP

pre 16 godina

Here we go, tit for tat once again -

Ida - you've done a wonderful job (no sarcasm intended, really!)

Furthermore - what a number of albanianas fail to remember is that KosovO is Serbian geographical land - irregardless of your empty fantasies!

Cheers!

Dimitar

pre 16 godina

No Johny, all of your neighbours' accumulating bad will is due to the actions of nationalistic Albanians for decades now!! It's good that you recognise that you are surrounded in a "sea of hostility" however, because believe me there is very little patience left with the Albanian agenda. If you continue toward "unnatural Albania" I can guarantee you will see your neighbours putting their differences aside to form a strategy to confront your expansionist threat. Not only is the Serbian army worldclass, but the Macedonian army is totally proffessional and updated, having cut it's teeth in highly acclaimed missions in Iraq, Afghanistan and Bosnia.

Dimitar

pre 16 godina

Your'e the "different one here" for the simple reason that you're the most recent arrival on the Balkan! The rest of us share historic, cultural ties etc. while the Albanian is the odd man out for the reason that his origins are alien. You took on the Muslim religion to curry favour with the Ottoman power structure, your language, though containing many additives adopted from your neighbours, speaks of entirely different origins. The way to fit in is to go with the flow, to create goodwill toward your neighbours, not to adopt aggressive disrespectful attitudes and especially not to steal our land! As a young nation spiritually, however, you have yet to understand what I have just written. For example, the Macedonians, through centuries of servitude, have learnt that we must all live together. Tell me, am I wrong?

Jack

pre 16 godina

You Macedonians and all other Slavs have stolen the land of the
Illyrians, Thracians and Greeks.Ancient Macedonians may not have been Greek at the beginning but when you Slavs arrived in Macedonia ancient Macedonians had ceased to exist, they had been hellenized, there were only Greeks there. As for the Albanians' 'guilt' of being Muslim why don't you Dimitar tell us about the Gorans, MUSLIM 'Macedonians', Bosnians (MUSLIM Serbs) and
Sandjak Bosnians (MUSLIM Serbs and Montenegrins). From what you said I gather you don't consider Gorans 'Macedonians' simply because they are Muslims.

Dimitar

pre 16 godina

Of course Gorani are Macedonian!! They changed their religion because of constant harrassment from the proximate Albanians and Turks. "Bosniaks" opted for Muslim faith for other enticements amd so on. My point is that people should put aside their differences and recognise that we
will always have to live together. GOD loves Soul, not religious denominations! Peace.

jeju

pre 16 godina

“would contribute to the preservation of peace in the entire Balkans"

Well why stop at Serbia, let's ask what the Macedonians want, what the Greeks want, what the Croats want, what Bosnians want...who else is there? Why should only the Albanians and Serbs have all the fun?

Barry Woods

pre 16 godina

Ahmet Isufi, regarding Prizren;

"In a war with the Crusaders against the Byzantine Empire, Serbian Duke Stefan Nemanja conquered Prizren in 1189, but after the defeat of 1191, had to give the city back to the Byzantines. The City was taken by the Bulgarian Czardom in 1204, although, it was finally seized by Grand Prince Stefan II Nemanjić in 1208 during his quarrels with the Bulgarian Czardom.

Serb King Stefan Milutin raised the Temple of Our Holy Lady of Ljeviš in Prizren which became the seat of the Serbian Orthodox Christian Prizren Episcopate. During the reign of Emperor Stefan Dušan throughout the 14th century, Prizren had the Imperial Court and was the political center of the Tsardom. Serb King/Tsar Dušan raised the massive Monastery of Saint Archangel near the City in 1343-1352. In the vicinity of Prizren was Ribnik - a town where the two Serbian Emperors had their Courts. The city of Prizren became known as the Serbian Carigrad because of its trading and industrial importance. It was the centre of production of silk, fine trades and a colony of merchants from Kotor and Dubrovnik. In the 14th century in Prizren was the seat of the Ragusan Consule for the entire Serb monarchy."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/

Thus, Prizren was controlled also under Bulgarians or Byzantines prior to it becoming the Serbian capital.

Of course you would prefer it that history was not what it is but if anything there is no mention of a "Albanian" nation in the region only Serbian, Bulgarian or Byzantine - who were the Eastern Romans - so the natural rulers of Illyria and all of Eastern Rome no mention in entiquity of "Albanians" what so ever. How "Albanians" came to the region is a bit of a mystery still but one theory is that "Albanians" came from the present day region of Azerbijan which was inhabited by a tribe known as "Albanians". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_Albania

Destan Belaxhia

pre 16 godina

That just tells how much Valley Albanians love to live in Serbia. If Serbia had built some businesses and infrastructure instead of sending gendarmerie and military troops as it is seen on this photograph, I am sure some of the Valley Albanians would have had second thoughts. But as it is, the Valley Albanians are going to want either a land swap, similiar rights to Kosova Serbs.

Personaly, I believe land swap is the best sollution to a lasting peace, but Serbs are used to making mistakes, and this oportunity definetly won't last forever.

Jack

pre 16 godina

JHam
Azerbaijan is NOT Russia.
Regarding the origins of the Albanians one of the theories is that they are Illyrians' descendents (Illyrians were supposedly a nation akin to Thracians) the other theory is that they are Thracians descendants and that Albanian ancestors' homeland was either Albania, Kosovo and partially Macedonia or northeastern Serbia where they lived close to the romanized Thracians (Romanians). This is why Romanian and Albanian share a few hundred Thracian/Illyrian words together with a few hundred Latin words.