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Sunday, 19.08.2007.

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“U.S. holds key to Kosovo solution”

A Kosovo Serb leader says Serbia’s negotiating position is now better than it has been during Martti Ahtisaari’s mediation.

Izvor: Tanjug

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Alex Protich

pre 16 godina

The US and popular media here are already demonstrating the bisas for Albanian autonomy in Kosovo.
In light of the recent CIA scandal it looks pretty evident that the US is inept or intentionally creating conflict globally.
Of course, were a militant group of foriegn islamic militants to try to declare autonomy in a US state our government would send in the goon squads to kill them all per our illustrious Patriot Act mandates.

GSP

pre 16 godina

To Ahmet - Putin more than Bush. If it wasn't for Putin standing his ground - Bush wouldn't be in such a weary state that he's in. He's failed at so much over the course of his embarassing second term - PUTIN over Bush.

DimTuc

pre 16 godina

"Russian President Puttin said KOSOVO will never be independent. Who do you believe Putin or Bush"

I dunno. Seems to me Russia has been honorable enough to allow about 20 countries go independent since about 1990, without trying to crush them (except Chechnya), despite the bizarre rhetoric that Kosovar independence is soome amazing new innovation in international law.

Real Canadian

pre 16 godina

US holds the key, like everywhere else in the world. EU did not have the guts to get involved so big brother had to do it. Don't cry about it is the best for everybody NATO is there, and they will not leave anytime soon. Everybody who knows the facts on the ground knows that Kosova/o can not go under Serbia again. Maybe one day they can be in Eu together, until then they have to undergo healing process separately.
Peace and Love...

Roger7

pre 16 godina

"Rger7, I don't know your backround education but where did you get the news that US has no military operation in Saudi Arabia. All logistical support to irak comes from military bases in Saudi.
ahmet isufi,
Although I am not highly educated as you claim to be, I am a citizen of the U.S.
While the U.S. military has since abandoned the bases in Saudi Arabia, it has replaced them with even more bases throughout the region.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2984547.stm

GSP

pre 16 godina

To Adriano -

Read my prior posts before you accuse me of ignorance. Then read what you have posted and think about what you have just said.

Who is the ignorant one now?

DimTuc

pre 16 godina

Re the Kosova/Texas analogy, you Serb nationalists may be able to frighten some Albvanians who have, for reasons underststandable in their case, become ridiculously pro-US, but not likely other supporters of Kosova freedom. Personally, I have no problem if the majority of people of Texas and other states vote in a referendum to join Mexico; after all, it was all Mexico until the US invaded it around 1850 and simply seized that land, in the same way that Serbia invaded and seized Albanian-majority land in Kosova in 1913. Actually various right-wing extremists, KKKers, "neo-confederates" and other arch racist southern nutters mostly support Serbia on Kosova precisely sin the argument that those Latinos might try to join (ie, re-join) their regions to Mexico. I find it no heresy at all to say good on them if they do

Paul

pre 16 godina

Adriano, you're flying off on a tangent once again. Autrocities have been committed by both sides, having said that, what came first, the chicken or the egg. Since we don't know, therefore, let's abandon that conversation and move on. The pro-albanians have been CONTINUOUSLY crying the same tune, let it go. I don't believe the Serbs got up one morning and started harassing the albanians, something must've ignited the fire. Regarding your offer, if it results in the loss of Serbian territory, then to hell with the EU the US and anyone else for that matter.

ahmet isufi

pre 16 godina

Rger7, I don't know your backround education but where did you get the news that US has no military operation in Saudi Arabia. All logistical support to irak comes from military bases in Saudi.

ZEF

pre 16 godina

lets make this simple. The horrible attrocities inflicted on the Kosova albanians by the serbian government is the main reason that makes it impossible for Kosova to ever again live under any Serb regime.
When the Kosova asked for the stays of a republic, Serbia did not listen, when women, children and elderly were being massacred and hearded onto freight trains like livestock not one Serb spoke out. Any attempt at denying these verifiable facts merely shows a callus and un-remourseful Serb regime, un-changed from the Milosevic era.

So Kalifornian

pre 16 godina

“Ahtisaari led the talks all the while in collusion with the Albanian side,” Jakšić argued, adding that under those circumstances Belgrade could not affect the course of negotiations. "

He's kidding, right? Serbia is THE one and only affect that put such negotiations into existence. They created the war, they need to shut up and take it like a grown up and acknowledge their large input in creating their loss.


"Nonetheless, if Priština’s rigid stance receives support of the United States, the Albanian side will, with the blessing of the world’s greatest power, hold on to its demands, even at the price of infringing on international principles and agreements."

Jaksic needs to step back and look at the whole history and see how Serbia's
'infringing on international principles and agreements
" in Kosova led to this moment in history. His nation's reign of terror on the Majority ALbanians in Kosova is exactly what lost every nation's support for Serbia's 'territorial integrity and int'l principles". If Serbia believes it has the right to commit genocide on its own citizens, then, it has the right to lose control and sovereignty over the land, if the people of that land choose it. And, those Albanians have.

johny

pre 16 godina

I don't understand the Serbian logic in this one. The way I see it is simple. Why should Serbia be backed by one big power (Russia), and yet at the same time the Serbs ask another big power(the US) not to back the Albanians. Its like the Albanians asking the Russians not to back the Serbs. Now I don't think that would make sense to any Serbs; just as Albanians see the comments coming from Serb officials as being ridiculous. If one was to talk about real negotiations then the way it should be is for no big power to back either the Serbs or the Albanians not the way the Serbs are proposing, for one big power to back the Serbs and for no power to back the Albanians. The Serbs can't act like they want fairness and propose unfairness for the other side at the same time.

adriano

pre 16 godina

oh paul "et's talk about cemetary desecrations, violence, killings, etc.... perpetrated by the albanians.
For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.
You pro-albanian posters have this knack of only telling one side of the story."

Well if your are not so bias why dont you tell us how many cemetery's have been destroyed in kosovo by the serbians, how many familys have been sent to turkey, how many jobs have been diverted to serbians, how many villages have been burned.
Trust me body for your equal action same reaction part you are way off.

Paul there is obviously big differences between k-albanian thinking and serbian thinking. Serbia was not wanted to be lived together by its close slavik brothers let alone albanians that were transformed to second class citizens.
I am sad that some k-serbs suffered sometimes because of hot headed k-albanians, because of the direct result of Belgrade's tactics.
We are offering a new chapter, the EU is offering a new chapter, the West is offering a new chapter. But are you man enough to take it?

Canadian

pre 16 godina

If no agreement is reached by December and conflict ensues this will be entirely the fault of the USA, they will of course blame the Russians and Serbs but no one in the world buy it! Another blunder, another failure by Bush! This will be the final nail in American foreign political influence. America will lose the last of its credibility in Europe. It will take them over 30 years to rebuild it. The Americans have no credibility in the Middle East or Africa and soon the same will be in Europe.

Paul

pre 16 godina

Adriano, as usual your comments are twisted and overwhelmed with biassness. They don't even hold water. You portray the Serbs as treating the albanian minority like barbarians. However, you don't complete your distorted comment by stating why! Let's talk about cemetary desecrations, violence, killings, etc.... perpetrated by the albanians.
For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.
You pro-albanian posters have this knack of only telling one side of the story. For once, concede to the facts and stop crying autrocities before looking into the mirror.

ALBAN

pre 16 godina

“U.S. holds key to Kosovo solution"
It took a bit long, but finally someone from Serbia is trying to understand.
The american president on a visit to Tirana said "We fully support Kosovo independence"
Now, do i need to tell you what the solution his??
Before you start complain about America may i remind you that Serbia got 5 billions dollars in aid from America after the bombing of Belgrade. I did not hear any Serb politician complaining about it.
The Serbs in Kosovo need to integrate in to the Kosovo political and economic structure not to be bully by the "crack head" in Belgrade. They can start by learning Albanian and respect the culture and tradition of the local community. Elf they wont to get the Kosovo nationality, after the independence, they need to show they deserved it.

Roger7

pre 16 godina

"Ben Liden wanted them to leave the Holy Land in Saudi and they refused."

Bin Laden used American presence to justify anti-US attacks.

As of 2003, the United States pulled out and does not have military operations in Saudi Arabia.

ahmet isufi

pre 16 godina

Albanian self rule with serbia but NATO should stay till things return to normal overe there. Just think about it, the first few words tell you that Kosova is within serbia but as you get to the last half it sounds like distant country that has nothing to do with serbia. wow,wow what a joke.

adriano

pre 16 godina

GSP, a vary naive comparison.
How many amarican tanks ever went to california & texas, tanks that were backed up by death squads mines rapist and looters? Besides it is the american land and benefits(better pay and life than mexico) tha mexicans and other latin americans want from america not the land.
Kosovars want their land that was part of of a confederation that no longer exists, and it was left to some butcher minded politicians.
"Once again, my comment holds firm" once again a quick and naive comment
and how can K-albanians look like invaders???? you have no idea about kosovo have you?

GSP

pre 16 godina

“It is better to have three coordinators in the talks instead of a single mediator as was the case with Martti Ahtisaari, who was vested with a high level of authority,” he said.

This is true, but how can one have anyone else within the organizations involved "solution" for KosovO when everyone is a puppet of the governments that are only out for THEIR best interest and not looking at the WHOLE picture? These leaders do not live in KosovO - all they have is book smarts, that's it & that's all.

Once again, my comment holds firm - there are way too many heads of governing nations playing chess with the people of the world.

KosovO is Serbian land geographically & should remain Serbian land! What happens to the immigrants (both illegal & legal) that go to the States? For example, there are a great number of Mexicans in California & Texas - BUT, those states didn't become a part of Mexico - this should hold true for KosovO & Serbia as well. The States is currently trying to implement a plan where the illegals can stay in the States as long as they pay hefty fees - why would you do that? Try enforcing something like that in KosovO.....

Immediately Serbs are looked at as the bad people & the albanian invaders as the poor, taken advantage of "minority" group.

Who is being taken advantage of here?

Keep your friends close & your enemies closer.

Rade

pre 16 godina

“Having in mind that Kosovo is a part of Serbia, the fate of NATO is thus clear – they will have to leave the province at one point,” he explained.”

Serbia can and will negotiate on the modalities of Kosovo Albanian self-rule within Serbia. NATO should not leave the province before Serbia is satisfied that life has returned to normal and there is no chance of violence being instigated by the Kosovo Albanian leadership.

DimTuc

pre 16 godina

“Having in mind that Kosovo is a part of Serbia, the fate of NATO is thus clear – they will have to leave the province at one point”

How strange. Will "that point" be before or after Serbia becomes a full member of NATO?

And isn't it funny how in all the critiques of the detail in the Ahtissari Plan by Serbia, to date not one has been about the presence of NATO, but all have been about status.

Actually I thought NATO troops are supposed to be there as part of "supervising" Kosova's independence regarding security for K Serbs ...

Victor

pre 16 godina

Remember what I have told you years ago: the Americans are often reluctant to put their nose in other nations' affairs, and if they do, they stay. Remember the first war against Saddam: they established bases in Saudi Arabia, Bahrein, and they still there. Ben Liden wanted them to leave the Holy Land in Saudi and they refused.

We know the rest.

shqiptar

pre 16 godina

It is obvious that U.S. holds key to Kosova solution and to facilitate it they will recognise unilaterally the indipendence of Kosova. The other states will follow down this road.

GSP

pre 16 godina

“It is better to have three coordinators in the talks instead of a single mediator as was the case with Martti Ahtisaari, who was vested with a high level of authority,” he said.

This is true, but how can one have anyone else within the organizations involved "solution" for KosovO when everyone is a puppet of the governments that are only out for THEIR best interest and not looking at the WHOLE picture? These leaders do not live in KosovO - all they have is book smarts, that's it & that's all.

Once again, my comment holds firm - there are way too many heads of governing nations playing chess with the people of the world.

KosovO is Serbian land geographically & should remain Serbian land! What happens to the immigrants (both illegal & legal) that go to the States? For example, there are a great number of Mexicans in California & Texas - BUT, those states didn't become a part of Mexico - this should hold true for KosovO & Serbia as well. The States is currently trying to implement a plan where the illegals can stay in the States as long as they pay hefty fees - why would you do that? Try enforcing something like that in KosovO.....

Immediately Serbs are looked at as the bad people & the albanian invaders as the poor, taken advantage of "minority" group.

Who is being taken advantage of here?

Keep your friends close & your enemies closer.

Paul

pre 16 godina

Adriano, as usual your comments are twisted and overwhelmed with biassness. They don't even hold water. You portray the Serbs as treating the albanian minority like barbarians. However, you don't complete your distorted comment by stating why! Let's talk about cemetary desecrations, violence, killings, etc.... perpetrated by the albanians.
For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.
You pro-albanian posters have this knack of only telling one side of the story. For once, concede to the facts and stop crying autrocities before looking into the mirror.

ALBAN

pre 16 godina

“U.S. holds key to Kosovo solution"
It took a bit long, but finally someone from Serbia is trying to understand.
The american president on a visit to Tirana said "We fully support Kosovo independence"
Now, do i need to tell you what the solution his??
Before you start complain about America may i remind you that Serbia got 5 billions dollars in aid from America after the bombing of Belgrade. I did not hear any Serb politician complaining about it.
The Serbs in Kosovo need to integrate in to the Kosovo political and economic structure not to be bully by the "crack head" in Belgrade. They can start by learning Albanian and respect the culture and tradition of the local community. Elf they wont to get the Kosovo nationality, after the independence, they need to show they deserved it.

Rade

pre 16 godina

“Having in mind that Kosovo is a part of Serbia, the fate of NATO is thus clear – they will have to leave the province at one point,” he explained.”

Serbia can and will negotiate on the modalities of Kosovo Albanian self-rule within Serbia. NATO should not leave the province before Serbia is satisfied that life has returned to normal and there is no chance of violence being instigated by the Kosovo Albanian leadership.

adriano

pre 16 godina

GSP, a vary naive comparison.
How many amarican tanks ever went to california & texas, tanks that were backed up by death squads mines rapist and looters? Besides it is the american land and benefits(better pay and life than mexico) tha mexicans and other latin americans want from america not the land.
Kosovars want their land that was part of of a confederation that no longer exists, and it was left to some butcher minded politicians.
"Once again, my comment holds firm" once again a quick and naive comment
and how can K-albanians look like invaders???? you have no idea about kosovo have you?

shqiptar

pre 16 godina

It is obvious that U.S. holds key to Kosova solution and to facilitate it they will recognise unilaterally the indipendence of Kosova. The other states will follow down this road.

Canadian

pre 16 godina

If no agreement is reached by December and conflict ensues this will be entirely the fault of the USA, they will of course blame the Russians and Serbs but no one in the world buy it! Another blunder, another failure by Bush! This will be the final nail in American foreign political influence. America will lose the last of its credibility in Europe. It will take them over 30 years to rebuild it. The Americans have no credibility in the Middle East or Africa and soon the same will be in Europe.

So Kalifornian

pre 16 godina

“Ahtisaari led the talks all the while in collusion with the Albanian side,” Jakšić argued, adding that under those circumstances Belgrade could not affect the course of negotiations. "

He's kidding, right? Serbia is THE one and only affect that put such negotiations into existence. They created the war, they need to shut up and take it like a grown up and acknowledge their large input in creating their loss.


"Nonetheless, if Priština’s rigid stance receives support of the United States, the Albanian side will, with the blessing of the world’s greatest power, hold on to its demands, even at the price of infringing on international principles and agreements."

Jaksic needs to step back and look at the whole history and see how Serbia's
'infringing on international principles and agreements
" in Kosova led to this moment in history. His nation's reign of terror on the Majority ALbanians in Kosova is exactly what lost every nation's support for Serbia's 'territorial integrity and int'l principles". If Serbia believes it has the right to commit genocide on its own citizens, then, it has the right to lose control and sovereignty over the land, if the people of that land choose it. And, those Albanians have.

Victor

pre 16 godina

Remember what I have told you years ago: the Americans are often reluctant to put their nose in other nations' affairs, and if they do, they stay. Remember the first war against Saddam: they established bases in Saudi Arabia, Bahrein, and they still there. Ben Liden wanted them to leave the Holy Land in Saudi and they refused.

We know the rest.

ahmet isufi

pre 16 godina

Albanian self rule with serbia but NATO should stay till things return to normal overe there. Just think about it, the first few words tell you that Kosova is within serbia but as you get to the last half it sounds like distant country that has nothing to do with serbia. wow,wow what a joke.

adriano

pre 16 godina

oh paul "et's talk about cemetary desecrations, violence, killings, etc.... perpetrated by the albanians.
For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.
You pro-albanian posters have this knack of only telling one side of the story."

Well if your are not so bias why dont you tell us how many cemetery's have been destroyed in kosovo by the serbians, how many familys have been sent to turkey, how many jobs have been diverted to serbians, how many villages have been burned.
Trust me body for your equal action same reaction part you are way off.

Paul there is obviously big differences between k-albanian thinking and serbian thinking. Serbia was not wanted to be lived together by its close slavik brothers let alone albanians that were transformed to second class citizens.
I am sad that some k-serbs suffered sometimes because of hot headed k-albanians, because of the direct result of Belgrade's tactics.
We are offering a new chapter, the EU is offering a new chapter, the West is offering a new chapter. But are you man enough to take it?

Roger7

pre 16 godina

"Ben Liden wanted them to leave the Holy Land in Saudi and they refused."

Bin Laden used American presence to justify anti-US attacks.

As of 2003, the United States pulled out and does not have military operations in Saudi Arabia.

johny

pre 16 godina

I don't understand the Serbian logic in this one. The way I see it is simple. Why should Serbia be backed by one big power (Russia), and yet at the same time the Serbs ask another big power(the US) not to back the Albanians. Its like the Albanians asking the Russians not to back the Serbs. Now I don't think that would make sense to any Serbs; just as Albanians see the comments coming from Serb officials as being ridiculous. If one was to talk about real negotiations then the way it should be is for no big power to back either the Serbs or the Albanians not the way the Serbs are proposing, for one big power to back the Serbs and for no power to back the Albanians. The Serbs can't act like they want fairness and propose unfairness for the other side at the same time.

ZEF

pre 16 godina

lets make this simple. The horrible attrocities inflicted on the Kosova albanians by the serbian government is the main reason that makes it impossible for Kosova to ever again live under any Serb regime.
When the Kosova asked for the stays of a republic, Serbia did not listen, when women, children and elderly were being massacred and hearded onto freight trains like livestock not one Serb spoke out. Any attempt at denying these verifiable facts merely shows a callus and un-remourseful Serb regime, un-changed from the Milosevic era.

GSP

pre 16 godina

To Adriano -

Read my prior posts before you accuse me of ignorance. Then read what you have posted and think about what you have just said.

Who is the ignorant one now?

DimTuc

pre 16 godina

“Having in mind that Kosovo is a part of Serbia, the fate of NATO is thus clear – they will have to leave the province at one point”

How strange. Will "that point" be before or after Serbia becomes a full member of NATO?

And isn't it funny how in all the critiques of the detail in the Ahtissari Plan by Serbia, to date not one has been about the presence of NATO, but all have been about status.

Actually I thought NATO troops are supposed to be there as part of "supervising" Kosova's independence regarding security for K Serbs ...

ahmet isufi

pre 16 godina

Rger7, I don't know your backround education but where did you get the news that US has no military operation in Saudi Arabia. All logistical support to irak comes from military bases in Saudi.

Paul

pre 16 godina

Adriano, you're flying off on a tangent once again. Autrocities have been committed by both sides, having said that, what came first, the chicken or the egg. Since we don't know, therefore, let's abandon that conversation and move on. The pro-albanians have been CONTINUOUSLY crying the same tune, let it go. I don't believe the Serbs got up one morning and started harassing the albanians, something must've ignited the fire. Regarding your offer, if it results in the loss of Serbian territory, then to hell with the EU the US and anyone else for that matter.

DimTuc

pre 16 godina

"Russian President Puttin said KOSOVO will never be independent. Who do you believe Putin or Bush"

I dunno. Seems to me Russia has been honorable enough to allow about 20 countries go independent since about 1990, without trying to crush them (except Chechnya), despite the bizarre rhetoric that Kosovar independence is soome amazing new innovation in international law.

GSP

pre 16 godina

To Ahmet - Putin more than Bush. If it wasn't for Putin standing his ground - Bush wouldn't be in such a weary state that he's in. He's failed at so much over the course of his embarassing second term - PUTIN over Bush.

DimTuc

pre 16 godina

Re the Kosova/Texas analogy, you Serb nationalists may be able to frighten some Albvanians who have, for reasons underststandable in their case, become ridiculously pro-US, but not likely other supporters of Kosova freedom. Personally, I have no problem if the majority of people of Texas and other states vote in a referendum to join Mexico; after all, it was all Mexico until the US invaded it around 1850 and simply seized that land, in the same way that Serbia invaded and seized Albanian-majority land in Kosova in 1913. Actually various right-wing extremists, KKKers, "neo-confederates" and other arch racist southern nutters mostly support Serbia on Kosova precisely sin the argument that those Latinos might try to join (ie, re-join) their regions to Mexico. I find it no heresy at all to say good on them if they do

Roger7

pre 16 godina

"Rger7, I don't know your backround education but where did you get the news that US has no military operation in Saudi Arabia. All logistical support to irak comes from military bases in Saudi.
ahmet isufi,
Although I am not highly educated as you claim to be, I am a citizen of the U.S.
While the U.S. military has since abandoned the bases in Saudi Arabia, it has replaced them with even more bases throughout the region.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2984547.stm

Real Canadian

pre 16 godina

US holds the key, like everywhere else in the world. EU did not have the guts to get involved so big brother had to do it. Don't cry about it is the best for everybody NATO is there, and they will not leave anytime soon. Everybody who knows the facts on the ground knows that Kosova/o can not go under Serbia again. Maybe one day they can be in Eu together, until then they have to undergo healing process separately.
Peace and Love...

Alex Protich

pre 16 godina

The US and popular media here are already demonstrating the bisas for Albanian autonomy in Kosovo.
In light of the recent CIA scandal it looks pretty evident that the US is inept or intentionally creating conflict globally.
Of course, were a militant group of foriegn islamic militants to try to declare autonomy in a US state our government would send in the goon squads to kill them all per our illustrious Patriot Act mandates.

shqiptar

pre 16 godina

It is obvious that U.S. holds key to Kosova solution and to facilitate it they will recognise unilaterally the indipendence of Kosova. The other states will follow down this road.

adriano

pre 16 godina

GSP, a vary naive comparison.
How many amarican tanks ever went to california & texas, tanks that were backed up by death squads mines rapist and looters? Besides it is the american land and benefits(better pay and life than mexico) tha mexicans and other latin americans want from america not the land.
Kosovars want their land that was part of of a confederation that no longer exists, and it was left to some butcher minded politicians.
"Once again, my comment holds firm" once again a quick and naive comment
and how can K-albanians look like invaders???? you have no idea about kosovo have you?

So Kalifornian

pre 16 godina

“Ahtisaari led the talks all the while in collusion with the Albanian side,” Jakšić argued, adding that under those circumstances Belgrade could not affect the course of negotiations. "

He's kidding, right? Serbia is THE one and only affect that put such negotiations into existence. They created the war, they need to shut up and take it like a grown up and acknowledge their large input in creating their loss.


"Nonetheless, if Priština’s rigid stance receives support of the United States, the Albanian side will, with the blessing of the world’s greatest power, hold on to its demands, even at the price of infringing on international principles and agreements."

Jaksic needs to step back and look at the whole history and see how Serbia's
'infringing on international principles and agreements
" in Kosova led to this moment in history. His nation's reign of terror on the Majority ALbanians in Kosova is exactly what lost every nation's support for Serbia's 'territorial integrity and int'l principles". If Serbia believes it has the right to commit genocide on its own citizens, then, it has the right to lose control and sovereignty over the land, if the people of that land choose it. And, those Albanians have.

ZEF

pre 16 godina

lets make this simple. The horrible attrocities inflicted on the Kosova albanians by the serbian government is the main reason that makes it impossible for Kosova to ever again live under any Serb regime.
When the Kosova asked for the stays of a republic, Serbia did not listen, when women, children and elderly were being massacred and hearded onto freight trains like livestock not one Serb spoke out. Any attempt at denying these verifiable facts merely shows a callus and un-remourseful Serb regime, un-changed from the Milosevic era.

Victor

pre 16 godina

Remember what I have told you years ago: the Americans are often reluctant to put their nose in other nations' affairs, and if they do, they stay. Remember the first war against Saddam: they established bases in Saudi Arabia, Bahrein, and they still there. Ben Liden wanted them to leave the Holy Land in Saudi and they refused.

We know the rest.

adriano

pre 16 godina

oh paul "et's talk about cemetary desecrations, violence, killings, etc.... perpetrated by the albanians.
For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.
You pro-albanian posters have this knack of only telling one side of the story."

Well if your are not so bias why dont you tell us how many cemetery's have been destroyed in kosovo by the serbians, how many familys have been sent to turkey, how many jobs have been diverted to serbians, how many villages have been burned.
Trust me body for your equal action same reaction part you are way off.

Paul there is obviously big differences between k-albanian thinking and serbian thinking. Serbia was not wanted to be lived together by its close slavik brothers let alone albanians that were transformed to second class citizens.
I am sad that some k-serbs suffered sometimes because of hot headed k-albanians, because of the direct result of Belgrade's tactics.
We are offering a new chapter, the EU is offering a new chapter, the West is offering a new chapter. But are you man enough to take it?

Paul

pre 16 godina

Adriano, as usual your comments are twisted and overwhelmed with biassness. They don't even hold water. You portray the Serbs as treating the albanian minority like barbarians. However, you don't complete your distorted comment by stating why! Let's talk about cemetary desecrations, violence, killings, etc.... perpetrated by the albanians.
For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.
You pro-albanian posters have this knack of only telling one side of the story. For once, concede to the facts and stop crying autrocities before looking into the mirror.

ALBAN

pre 16 godina

“U.S. holds key to Kosovo solution"
It took a bit long, but finally someone from Serbia is trying to understand.
The american president on a visit to Tirana said "We fully support Kosovo independence"
Now, do i need to tell you what the solution his??
Before you start complain about America may i remind you that Serbia got 5 billions dollars in aid from America after the bombing of Belgrade. I did not hear any Serb politician complaining about it.
The Serbs in Kosovo need to integrate in to the Kosovo political and economic structure not to be bully by the "crack head" in Belgrade. They can start by learning Albanian and respect the culture and tradition of the local community. Elf they wont to get the Kosovo nationality, after the independence, they need to show they deserved it.

ahmet isufi

pre 16 godina

Rger7, I don't know your backround education but where did you get the news that US has no military operation in Saudi Arabia. All logistical support to irak comes from military bases in Saudi.

Rade

pre 16 godina

“Having in mind that Kosovo is a part of Serbia, the fate of NATO is thus clear – they will have to leave the province at one point,” he explained.”

Serbia can and will negotiate on the modalities of Kosovo Albanian self-rule within Serbia. NATO should not leave the province before Serbia is satisfied that life has returned to normal and there is no chance of violence being instigated by the Kosovo Albanian leadership.

GSP

pre 16 godina

“It is better to have three coordinators in the talks instead of a single mediator as was the case with Martti Ahtisaari, who was vested with a high level of authority,” he said.

This is true, but how can one have anyone else within the organizations involved "solution" for KosovO when everyone is a puppet of the governments that are only out for THEIR best interest and not looking at the WHOLE picture? These leaders do not live in KosovO - all they have is book smarts, that's it & that's all.

Once again, my comment holds firm - there are way too many heads of governing nations playing chess with the people of the world.

KosovO is Serbian land geographically & should remain Serbian land! What happens to the immigrants (both illegal & legal) that go to the States? For example, there are a great number of Mexicans in California & Texas - BUT, those states didn't become a part of Mexico - this should hold true for KosovO & Serbia as well. The States is currently trying to implement a plan where the illegals can stay in the States as long as they pay hefty fees - why would you do that? Try enforcing something like that in KosovO.....

Immediately Serbs are looked at as the bad people & the albanian invaders as the poor, taken advantage of "minority" group.

Who is being taken advantage of here?

Keep your friends close & your enemies closer.

ahmet isufi

pre 16 godina

Albanian self rule with serbia but NATO should stay till things return to normal overe there. Just think about it, the first few words tell you that Kosova is within serbia but as you get to the last half it sounds like distant country that has nothing to do with serbia. wow,wow what a joke.

johny

pre 16 godina

I don't understand the Serbian logic in this one. The way I see it is simple. Why should Serbia be backed by one big power (Russia), and yet at the same time the Serbs ask another big power(the US) not to back the Albanians. Its like the Albanians asking the Russians not to back the Serbs. Now I don't think that would make sense to any Serbs; just as Albanians see the comments coming from Serb officials as being ridiculous. If one was to talk about real negotiations then the way it should be is for no big power to back either the Serbs or the Albanians not the way the Serbs are proposing, for one big power to back the Serbs and for no power to back the Albanians. The Serbs can't act like they want fairness and propose unfairness for the other side at the same time.

DimTuc

pre 16 godina

“Having in mind that Kosovo is a part of Serbia, the fate of NATO is thus clear – they will have to leave the province at one point”

How strange. Will "that point" be before or after Serbia becomes a full member of NATO?

And isn't it funny how in all the critiques of the detail in the Ahtissari Plan by Serbia, to date not one has been about the presence of NATO, but all have been about status.

Actually I thought NATO troops are supposed to be there as part of "supervising" Kosova's independence regarding security for K Serbs ...

Roger7

pre 16 godina

"Ben Liden wanted them to leave the Holy Land in Saudi and they refused."

Bin Laden used American presence to justify anti-US attacks.

As of 2003, the United States pulled out and does not have military operations in Saudi Arabia.

Canadian

pre 16 godina

If no agreement is reached by December and conflict ensues this will be entirely the fault of the USA, they will of course blame the Russians and Serbs but no one in the world buy it! Another blunder, another failure by Bush! This will be the final nail in American foreign political influence. America will lose the last of its credibility in Europe. It will take them over 30 years to rebuild it. The Americans have no credibility in the Middle East or Africa and soon the same will be in Europe.

Paul

pre 16 godina

Adriano, you're flying off on a tangent once again. Autrocities have been committed by both sides, having said that, what came first, the chicken or the egg. Since we don't know, therefore, let's abandon that conversation and move on. The pro-albanians have been CONTINUOUSLY crying the same tune, let it go. I don't believe the Serbs got up one morning and started harassing the albanians, something must've ignited the fire. Regarding your offer, if it results in the loss of Serbian territory, then to hell with the EU the US and anyone else for that matter.

DimTuc

pre 16 godina

Re the Kosova/Texas analogy, you Serb nationalists may be able to frighten some Albvanians who have, for reasons underststandable in their case, become ridiculously pro-US, but not likely other supporters of Kosova freedom. Personally, I have no problem if the majority of people of Texas and other states vote in a referendum to join Mexico; after all, it was all Mexico until the US invaded it around 1850 and simply seized that land, in the same way that Serbia invaded and seized Albanian-majority land in Kosova in 1913. Actually various right-wing extremists, KKKers, "neo-confederates" and other arch racist southern nutters mostly support Serbia on Kosova precisely sin the argument that those Latinos might try to join (ie, re-join) their regions to Mexico. I find it no heresy at all to say good on them if they do

GSP

pre 16 godina

To Adriano -

Read my prior posts before you accuse me of ignorance. Then read what you have posted and think about what you have just said.

Who is the ignorant one now?

Roger7

pre 16 godina

"Rger7, I don't know your backround education but where did you get the news that US has no military operation in Saudi Arabia. All logistical support to irak comes from military bases in Saudi.
ahmet isufi,
Although I am not highly educated as you claim to be, I am a citizen of the U.S.
While the U.S. military has since abandoned the bases in Saudi Arabia, it has replaced them with even more bases throughout the region.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2984547.stm

Real Canadian

pre 16 godina

US holds the key, like everywhere else in the world. EU did not have the guts to get involved so big brother had to do it. Don't cry about it is the best for everybody NATO is there, and they will not leave anytime soon. Everybody who knows the facts on the ground knows that Kosova/o can not go under Serbia again. Maybe one day they can be in Eu together, until then they have to undergo healing process separately.
Peace and Love...

DimTuc

pre 16 godina

"Russian President Puttin said KOSOVO will never be independent. Who do you believe Putin or Bush"

I dunno. Seems to me Russia has been honorable enough to allow about 20 countries go independent since about 1990, without trying to crush them (except Chechnya), despite the bizarre rhetoric that Kosovar independence is soome amazing new innovation in international law.

GSP

pre 16 godina

To Ahmet - Putin more than Bush. If it wasn't for Putin standing his ground - Bush wouldn't be in such a weary state that he's in. He's failed at so much over the course of his embarassing second term - PUTIN over Bush.

Alex Protich

pre 16 godina

The US and popular media here are already demonstrating the bisas for Albanian autonomy in Kosovo.
In light of the recent CIA scandal it looks pretty evident that the US is inept or intentionally creating conflict globally.
Of course, were a militant group of foriegn islamic militants to try to declare autonomy in a US state our government would send in the goon squads to kill them all per our illustrious Patriot Act mandates.